Live Sound and Studio Production Videos. Tips, Tricks, and Walk-Throughs of Equipment, Software, and On-Gig Setups.
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What is the piece of equipment in the left hand rack?
Hey! I've been loving your videos. Got a couple questions for you. I'm brainstorming how I can deploy an LV1 setup with a Midas M32 and DL32 stage box. My dream would be being able to use the M32 to control faders for LV1. Is this possible, using the M32 as a midi controller? Or should I patch LV1 to return each channel independently to the M32 to sum? Also, with the waves card, would I be ok for latency? We run 8 channels of in ear monitors off the M32. Have you done latency measurments? I wasn't super happy running superrack over USB. Would the waves card and a Waves Proton Duo be better? Also, how do I route bus or mix outputs of LV1 back to the analog IO of the M32? Whether or not I sum on LV1 or back on the M32, I still want to mix and sum the livestream stereo mix on LV1 itself so I can load it up with mastering plugins. Would I use the AUX channels on the Midas to accomplish this? I haven't seen you cover output routing on any of your videos, but I haven't watched all of them. My biggest concern is latency for the in ear monitors, and if I sum on the Midas (with LV1 on the front end), I know I'll be introducing a bit. I don't want to replace the control surface at this point, but just add a touch monitor (and mouse + keyboard) to the setup. I like that on the MIdas and X32, I can program hotkeys to change routing in case of a server or LV1 issue. I'm curious on your thoughts, since you've been running these setups for a long time.
Hi @sethwengermusic, did you habe any answer? I had the same needs, i'm trying to grab some tips for doing that.
@@samueldelice9015 hey! We're just in the process of doing the upgrade now. On an X32 or M32, running super rack performer would be difficult for latency for monitors. We're opting for a Waves Sounndgrid Server-C. It'll be less than 1 ms roundtrip latency, so it can be run 'before' the channel inputs. We're actually thinking of doing LV1 instead of SuperRack, so that we can mix all of our in ears on it, freeing up all of our buses for FOH processing. The LV1 apps seem to be better than the X32 apps for monitor control anyway. Then direct outs from LV1 back to FOH for mixing the processes signals to the mains.
@@sethwengermusic Thanks for your reply. We use the Soundgrid Server also with superack and it works great for live évents no latency pbs but with this setup we are limited with number of bus of the m32…. So my dream is to do every thing inside thé LV1 but sendîg all outputs on the M32 console (FOH main, front fil, streaming, sub and musicians ears monitors…) and we dont wan’t ton add Others contrôler devixe we want to control the LV1 with the console via MIDI protocole !
Have u used SAC before waves? 😊
sure have
What is the X32 clock setting? I see that the IOX is master in LV1. So X32 needs to be slave to that right?
Sweet LV1 setup, really demonstrates the flexibility of a SoundGrid system! 10:26 - Best frame
we appreciate your videos!
love it!
St. Cloud Paramount, my old stomping grounds! I actually installed that console :)
Nice. Although, they’re long overdue for something new :)
@@TableSyrupTV they were long overdue when they got that desk too :). It’s how they roll there!
If we had this would it work like the digico orange box? We need to integrate our digico sd11 with madi to Dante? We need to access some tio and rio boxes. Would this work?
Sorry for the delay. I need to pay attention to our channel. Yes. It does the same as an orange box would. Converting digital formats bi directionally. Really killer stuff
What Control surfaces are you using for this set up?
These are the Waves branded Icon controllers. I just sold that enclosure, screens, and controllers, to Jade Aford in Texas. I’m sure people will end up seeing it on his stuff now.
MAN!!! this set up is FIRE!!!! and what amazes me is that some people want you to come out and set up like this for a few hundred bucks......lol yea RIGHT!!!
right? Nope. nope nope nope nope nope.
Took a year off. Didn't realize the X32 came in different sizes. On the wish list, but need to see more activity to justify it. Still in analog for the moment.
X32's are EVERYWHERE. So are the M32's (Better pre's, and maybe converters too). It's one of those things where, the X32 sounds like crap.... really does.... I own a couple, and they really are trash, but they get the job done. Easy to use. Fast. They just sound like 1000 squirrels in a garbage can, compared to other stuff - even the M32 is a dramatic improvement. Compared to something like a QL5 or whatever, they aren't even in the same realm..... but... again... I own em.... use em.... I generally just use em on lower budget shows and also with my LV1 rig, taking inputs from my soundgrid I/O's, so they're just doing control and eq and stuff..... one thing..... careful with the Graphic EQ's. Listen to something, then insert a graphic EQ. Flat. It instantly changes things. Throws a blanket over your audio.... and you get really bad phasing as soon as you use a filter. is what it is. But I'd still take an X32 over a GL2400, or a LS9 even. But if you could swing the M32 do that instead. Or better yet, a Wing and some midas stage boxes - either the prosumer DL16 or DL32, or even the pro series 153/251 etc stuff, cause they work with em too (X/M/Wing)
@@TableSyrupTV I am an engineering technician by trade. I generally sweep equipment to look for phase. delay, roll-off, aliasing, harmonic distortion, and noise level. I prefer to quantify what I am recording. Yes the digital console will not do a flat 20HZ to 50KHZ that some analog equipment handles fine. A proper analog EQ when set to middle, does not affect the sound IF it has a proper balanced differential amplifier chain. EG uses a Twin T filter design. Many cheap EQ units use single ended design as it is much cheaper. Look in your EQ and see of there are matched pairs of capacitors for each channel in the EQ. Yes there is a lot of inexpensive stuff that sounds like it. Yes it is generally a good idea to not use a graphic EQ, except to fix a much worse prolem with the room and it's resonances. Many X32 boards are not run correctly and thus sound really bad. They are very unforgiving when filters, FX, Compressors, etc are over driven. This is really bad in the digital realm and really easy to do when stacking plugins. Gee, that effect is cool.. Crank it up, now add this, and that.. Opps. Clipped into oblivion before returned on the FX return.
i see you got the mobile server, what do you think about it?
It does what I need. It can’t do much, but, a HVerb or RVerb, HDelay, some C6 or F6…. Comes in really really handy. And it’s small enough to live in a doghouse. Pretty cool
Oh wow scratch that you got a lot more than just this up nice
Yeah I finally got around to posting old stuff. We’ll be doing a lot of videos as things pick up again, so please subscribe so you see when we post. Thank you!
Hey just rewatched the previous video again cause it popped back up yesterday for some reason hope there’s some more content you can put up even if its old like this especially LV1 stuff
We are just getting ready to make more content, and if I can manage, pay closer attention to the KZread channel and start promoting it. Thanks for the views! If you aren’t subscribed, please do. They’re putting ads on us now and not sharing with us , cause we need more subscribers in order for them to do that 😥
@@TableSyrupTV absolutely will be on the look out
Why didn’t you do tracks live out on Soundgrid into LV1?
Good Question. It's because I was testing the upcoming MADI Card for the Hear Technologies Bridge... that's the reason for going from the Laptop to the MOTU - to get MADI fed out of the MOTU, into the Bridge MADI Card, then across the Bridge, out the SoundGrid Card, into Axis ....
Who makes the pa hang and subs please
We, Table Syrup Sound, Manufacture those :)
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Appreciate you taking the time to share
Thank you! We’re about to start doing more with the channel… I’m sure it will be slower than I want, but, stay tuned!
How much is the foh console with all the hardware I already have 2 Samsung touch screens would love to have it looking like that board or would I have to design one like that.
We made the enclosure.... the rest is various existing hardware products installed into it.
I am interested in this FOH rig. Can we connect with a full spec list?
Sorry, I'm just getting into paying attention to our KZread Account. FOH was a Mac Mini running Windows 10 (It's now an Axis One). There is an Extreme Server removed from it's case, installed on a plate in the Enclosure we built for the 'console'. IOX for Local I/O. Only using two of the Icons, the X and M. The additional M could be set as a MIDI Controller for some functions. Screens are the Dell P2418HT's. There's a Netgear GS108 v4 in there too.
Nice to see the setup. Are you using Mac or PC? Or windows on the Mac?
At the time this was a Mac Mini running Windows 10. It is now a Waves Axis One
hi, what screen resolution are you using with the dell s monitors=???
For the Dell P2418HT, I use windows display settings to assign 1366 x 768, then I use the Intel Graphics Control Panel to set scaling to full screen.
Better to Mix on LV1, let waves do the summing, then just route outputs only out of the X32. Also route Cue bus to X32 Aux Ins 7&8 and listen to cue bus on X32 phones out.
I know what you mean, however, that isn't what the client wanted. Also, we basically just had LV1 running like SuperRack or MultiRack. When we leave for the night, the DJ's take over for the dance party and go all night.... we remove LV1 from the routing, shut that part down, hand em an iPad, and they run it from the stage.
Go Shorty!
Thanks! Stay tuned…. We’re going to start doing more here.
I take it you are setting gain on the x32 and managing trims on the Lv1
that s also a question that I have ... can you control the preamp gain of the x32 channels via lv1 ?
The client wanted an X32..... we basically just had LV1 running like SuperRack or MultiRack. When we leave for the night, the DJ's take over for the dance party and go all night.... we remove LV1 from the routing, shut that part down, hand em an iPad, and they run it from the stage.
what about fx?
The client requested the X32. We basically just had LV1 running like SuperRack or MultiRack. There are ways to do some creative re-mapping and use input channels as returns, in order to get bus inserts working with the X32, but I don't do that. In general, we'll have LV1 at FOH and feed our SoundGrid I/O's patched device to device out to the X32 and use it for MON. We have other videos up now showing that setup, which we now use for this event. Anyway, the X32... When we leave for the night, the DJ's take over for the dance party and go all night.... we remove LV1 from the routing, shut that part down, hand em an iPad, and they run the X32 from the stage.
Nice set up. What was your goal in setting this up? Was the x32 for Monitors?
The client wanted an X32..... we basically just had LV1 running like SuperRack or MultiRack. When we leave for the night, the DJ's take over for the dance party and go all night.... we remove LV1 from the routing, shut that part down, hand em an iPad, and they run the X32 from the stage.