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It's not a plot hole... they would have grown up with the kid and he just would have looked as he looked... they have no pictures of him and he was in their lives for like a week an a half. They would have forgot what he looked like and here is the most important part.... The Marty they remember wasn't the same Marty that came back. Marty couldn't come back to the same exact timeline... he had to come to a time line where his DNA, his molecules would have existed... that means the two of them conceived Marty at the same exact genetic moment despite all that changed. (the third son) This means they needed a timeline where all the genetic material in their bodies had to line up perfectly for a egg and sperm with the right DNA to line up and produce him... I don't have time to write this out properly... but basically the Marty from the timeline that at the beginning of the movie wasn't the the exact timeline created by his actions. As such the time line he ended up back in was one where a different Marty that looked maybe like Eric Stoltz went back in time and didn't interfere resulting in no changes... So the Marty they remember was a little taller and looked very different... The other thing is the Jennifer changes... which means the marty at the end of the first movie is not the same marty at the beginning of the second movie...
Thanks for weighing in here, @Kaziklu. We haven't heard this exact explanation yet, and it sounds totally plausible. Thanks for taking the time to share it.
Great video. I remember watching that series when it premired on AMC network. Solid casting choices too.
Thank you, @RoninJoegenji0085! We really miss that series! It's always fun speculating casting lol.
Remember in bttf 3, we learned Marty's great great (great) grandfather had a brother named Martin.
Thanks for the comment, @elizabethv_royalsfan.
I was/am addicted to reading since childhood. I need constant influx on information. At least before my 20s I was forced to read books, anything I could get my hands on, as opposed to internet squabbles.
Reading is great habit to have, as long as you're not reading condiment bottles. 😉
My all-time favorite episode 🎞💚
Thanks for your comment, @pierrelozano1752! This is such an amazing episode on SO many levels. Can you believe that it's 65 years old??
Here’s my take on this. I could be way off on this, but I don’t think so. So here we go - when Marty returned to 1985, it was NOT HIS 1985. In the NEW 1985, Marty NEVER went back in time. In thus NEW 1985, George fought Biff on his own because he is a different George. - Like I said, I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.
We like this idea a lot. We certainly aren't time travel experts, but this sounds feasible.
Here’s my take on this. I could be way off on this, but I don’t think so. So here we go - when Marty returned to 1985, it was NOT HIS 1985. In the NEW 1985, Marty NEVER went back in time. In thus NEW 1985, George fought Biff on his own because he is a different George. - Like I said, I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.
If Marty and Jennifer leave 1985 for 2015 then they’d just be missing for 30 years.
Why would they live in the same house in the end?
This has always perplexed grace too.
Why would they wait to name their third kid Marty if they liked it so much?
Great point!
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If people expect George or Lorraine to realized their son, was the that guy they met 30 years ago. Or at least suppose to look like guy, they met a week in their in 1955. Then shouldn’t people think that Biff, should have recognise Marty off bat too. I mean, Biff also interact with Marty/Calvin as well. How come he doesn’t seem to realise it was Marty as well, or at least look like the guy that he met back in 1955. Why should be just George or Lorraine to realized, it was their son that put them together or look like guy back in 1955. Biff should also be suspicious about Marty as well not just recognise it was George or Lorraine.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we don't expect George and Lorraine to think that 1955 Marty is actually their son. Her critique was around the fact that they (especially George) don't remember that "a Marty" ever existed. That's a great point about Biff though. He was probably scarred by the Calvin/Marty guy who ruined his car with all that manure.
Hell, I don’t even answer phones that *do* belong to me
Lol!
A gentleman s agreement for primordial existence.... Reptilians. Anyone? ❤Tutu. Don't wake the dead today!
You're going deep, @amyshaw3875. 🦎
Now do Shatner, Nimoy (2x...1 with Star Trek alum Marianna Hill) and Doohan on the Outer Limits
I loved them all
Same!
Don't forget His movie soul survivor It was a good movie that fell between the cracks...
Thanks for the reminder!
I really enjoy seeing ALL these men in their differing roles.
All playing in Rod serlings Twilight zone
Same.
When I was a senior in high school we had a foreign exchange student from Australia for the first semester. I saw him in the hallways every day. He was at all the Foreign Exchange Student Club gatherings and parties. He even came to my house once for one of those parties. But if he walked into a room and said hello to me right now I wouldn't know it was him unless he told me. I literally cannot remember what his face looked like.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
@@OurOnlyThing But in the scene she is referring to where she mentions that Lorraine's dad hit George with car that she should "remember" ditching him to go on a date with Marty. When Lorraine tells the story about her Dad hitting George with the car it is in the timeline where Marty has not been in 1955 yet. She would not have even met Marty in the past at that point. But also, we never see them "NOT" remembering Marty. Marty is only in the "new" 1985 for the last five minutes of the movie. There is no conversation where they say they don't remember a Marty from the past. Like the line about "accidentally setting the couch on fire" is a reference to something that probably did not happen in the new timeline since Marty actually changed history but had to set it right. So they wouldn't remember being told to go easy on a kid who set fire to the couch, because that no longer happens. And it is true that if George hadn't knocked out Biff, Lorraine would not have fallen in love with him. So it *WAS* Biff that brought them together. Marty TRIED to bring them together, but failed. George ultimately won Lorraine's heart by knocking Biff out during a traumatic moment for her.
They’re all admirable men - except Sulu …
Well, George was drunk. Lorraine didn’t know what Calvin Klein or biff was plotting. Calvin was a lightweight that bailed.
Interesting points!
I’m around 1985 George mcfly’s age and I don’t remember anyone from high school that I don’t still have as friends. Let alone anyone who was visiting for 1 week.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
I was in a car accident in 2007 (17 years ago at this point). It messed my back up pretty good. I was on the phone with the insurance company for weeks, and I had to repeat the name of the person who hit me every time I called. Thought I'd never forget her name, but these days I have no clue who it was and couldn't even describe her face to you any more. I remember she existed, sure, but her name? No clue. She profoundly impacted my life. I have chronic pain to this day. But I could not tell you much more about her than I already have (just that she was a teen talking on her cell phone who wasn't paying attention and crashed into me). Oddly, she happened to hit me right outside my doctor's office, so I walked inside, got checked out by him, and at some point went home, but I have no memory at all of who took me home. My car was wrecked that day; I know it got towed to a repair shop to be repaired. But I have no memory of how I got home that day, just that I did. Someone must have helped me, but I could not tell you who or why it was that person. I've totally forgotten someone who played a big part in my life, and my mental faculties were not impaired by the accident in any way. My head was not injured. Marty's parents probably forgot his name weeks or months after the event, but years later after the two married, they wanted to talk about how they first met and share that story with their kids. Having forgotten Marty's name, and the dad probably not really wanting to mention him at all because they had planned on tricking the mom into thinking he's super brave, they ended up telling and re-telling a story about George punching Biff and simply not mentioning Marty at all. Over time, that became their truth. It's not unrealistic that they could totally forget a guy who helped them that much. Would it have been nice if the movie had thought to make a reference to him being there? Sure. Is it necessary? No. It's believable someone could forget a person they only knew for 7 days or less, imho. Fun video to watch! Food for thought, in any event.
Firstly, thanks for sharing your experience with us. We are sorry to hear about your accident and hope that you are doing as well as you can be. This is such an excellent point about how trauma can impact memories, and you're the first person to bring this up. We totally agree that it's not necessary for Marty's parents to remember that "a Marty" existed, but it totally would have been cool lol. Thanks again for providing your insight, @xzonia1!
@@OurOnlyThing Happy to help :)
If Marty parents knew their son was the one, that set them up back 30 years ago. And had a family, would they have name him. Calvin instead of Marty, if they knew he was their kid from the future.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing. That is an interesting point about Calvin though.
Why not name their first kid Marty?
In original timeline, Lorraine’s father hit George with the car. In the new timeline Marty was the one who got hit by Lorraine’s father car instead of George. As it’s been 30 years as I doubt they would have recognised, their son was the one who brought them together 30 years ago. Plus, in original script George had a feeling that. His son Marty could’ve been the same guy they met 3 ago decades ago. Whether George believed it was Marty or he look like the guy that brought them together. But it script and was never used.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing. We've never heard that about the script before. Interesting.
The thing everyone forgets is that we know everything Marty did to get his folks together because we're the friggin' omniscient audience. People don't keep in mind that the other characters don't know as much as we know; and the characters who know the most... it's in their individual best interests to try and forget. The plan was for Marty to be overly forward with Lorraine, so that George could "happen by", and "rescue" her. This plan is actually creepy as hell. We give it a pass because Marty's desperate, looking to survive, and he's our POV character. And then the plan goes awry, because of Biff. And George actually does rescue Lorraine. His pretend heroism suddenly becomes real. And that knockout punch triggered Biff's downfall. Yes, Marty was hit by his grandfather's car. Yes, he took Lorraine to the dance. And yes, he gave George some good advice. And Marty conspired with George to trick Lorraine. The trick, as planned, failed. And it's in George's best interest to never mention that plan to anyone, especially Lorraine. That's big part of what Marty did that George will never reminisce on. He'll try to forget. And of course, Lorraine doesn't know. We don't know what happened to Biff. Sure, eventually we learn about the almanac, and him trying, again, to kill "Calvin", etc. Which all may have contributed to his downfall as well (but again only Biff, Marty, and Doc know these parts.) But we know Biff attempted to murder or maim Marty fairly early on in the first film. And his attempted SA on Lorraine obviously became known. My best guess is that there was someone in town that protected Biff, and that after the attempted assault of Ms. Baines, that protection became too much for the protector. Biff was kept out of jail, but.... that was the end of it. Biff Tannen lost his power. So, in the grand scheme of things, while Marty's role in events was significant, it was small. Biff, former tormentor to George and Lorraine, had influence over a longer period of time. It's natural to attribute more weight to his contribution. Plus, in that scene, new George and new Lorraine weren't discussing how they fell in love. They were discussing BIFF, and his role in getting them together was only barely mentioned. Odds were everyone knew the story, why repeat it. It's not that George and Lorraine didn't remember Calvin "Marty" Klein. But after 30 years, that memory is going to be a little fuzzy.
Great points, @KennAKALeo. Thanks for your thorough response!
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Ha! Just saw the X-files episode on Hulu yesterday.
That's so awesome lol!
Saw it when aired. In the early 50's, we were shipped as a family to Okinawa to join the Occipation after the Japanese surrender. Both parents were Army officers. We children were cared for by Okinawan citizens, and came to love them. This episode was formative for me, as was the discovery of the first paperback edition, with photographs, of Hiroshima.
Thanks for sharing your story, @thisbushnell2012.
There is no Mandela Effect. The cinematic inversions I've discovered everywhere has formed the most complex web of PsyOp Apples and Oranges our labrat brains could ever imagine
Oh...can you locate the clues in the three Future films linking them to YOUNG GUNS??
Too many channels are discussing PLOT HOLES while NONE of you seems to know the TRUTH about all Hollywood films. Michael JF was set to play McFly years earlier. As shown during Fast Times at Ridgemont High which also links to Teen Wolf, the Abstract Inversion of Back to the Future released the same month.
Doc manipulated everything in the opening which explains Marty having the unreliable digital watch that leads him to visit Docs are when he SHOULD have been at school!! Doc called KNOWING Marty was there after blowing the Amp. Again...knowing Marty was asleep at night Doc called to request the garage/camera detour. He also cried the libyans to the Mall lot .
The main reason Doc somber after dropping Marty home was he SAW the time circuit display which told him of the 10 min difference and newly formed skewed Reality which Doc could repair with NO ONE ELSE aware of it. I once paused the scene when Doc first explains the time circuits and turns his wrist as Marty records. His watch read approximately 2:40 a.m. despite the Hill Valley time being just around 1:30 a.m. Also...the info 55 Doc received included the functioning Flux Capacitor which was inverted from the sketch Doc drew after the head bump. As Above...So Below in HILL VALLEY! 🔺🔻
Everything 1955 Doc needed to know was prepped and provided for him by 1985 Doc without Marty knowing it. How so?? Mm the case containing cotton underwear placed in the FRONT compartment intentionally since 55 Doc would check under the hood for STARTER repairs while Marty had his Day One in school. That is why Doc was watching the camera when Marty returned from his skateboard adventure in the square.
How would they decide not to name their first born son Marty unless advised to wait for number 3? Biff crashed George's car when another car appeared. Parallel to Marty's accident "Down the road"
Sorry, they know everything just as Doc from early version of 85 did. It's common sense. That is why he received the Black 4×4 after the clock tower lady witnessed his drooling before giving the flyer per Docs instructions.
There was a very clever fanfic that I saw, maybe a year ago, where Marty and George are just talking like father and son. At a certain point, George can tell from Marty's tone of voice and body posture, that he is truly uncomfortable. If I'm correct, there comes a moment where George says the name "Calvin Klein", almost like a question...and when Marty whirls around in shock, George knows he's on the right track. Marty ends up telling his father the truth: Doc, the Libyans, all of it. By the end, George tells his son, "Don't say a word of this to your mother. She probably won't take it very well."
That sounds really great, @Moviefan2k4! What a fun way to tie it all together!
I hung out with a guy when I was 14-18 years old. We were best friends. I've seen one or two people that have looked exactly like him just recently, but I know it's not him because they're only young kids. Obviously because it's not my buddy from my childhood, so I'm not going to approach him and strike up a conversation. They obviously remember Marty...they named one of their sons after him...the thing I never understood was why wouldn't they name their FIRST son after him? I think the biggest plot hole is the fact that there was an aged Marty and Jennifer with two kids of their own in 2015. When Einstein was sent one minute into the future in the first film "he skipped over that minute to instantaneously reappear" one minute later. So when Doc, Marty and Jennifer jumped 30 years into the future wouldn't THEY have "skipped over" those 30 years "to instantaneously reappear" 30 years later? From Doc & Marty's POV in the first BTTF, Einstein ceased to exist for that one minute, therefore from the POV of Biff (who saw the DeLorean vanish) Doc, Marty and Jennifer should have ceased to exist for 30 years.
Their future selves came back around the time their past selves left so they future selves that came back would live out the 30 years their past selves past over. Easy pesy.😏
Thanks for weighing in here, @ChrisReise. As grace mentioned in the video, we don't expect Marty's parents to think that 1955 Marty is their son. We are surprised that they don't remember "a Marty" ever existed. You do bring up a great point about waiting to name their third kid, Marty. It's totally odd. Great question about Marty and Jennifer! Time travel is super confusing, and your question proves that.
it takes about one second to realize all time traveling movies and books have a plot hole big enough to drive a dyson sphere through.
True.
3:09Directed by Kim Manners, it was written by Glen Morgan and James Wong. It was one of the best episodes. XPhiles (yes we called ourselves that back then) were up in arms about the censorship. You don't actually see anything so why the censorship? Nowadays you'll see more gruesome gory things in cable series.
So true about X-Files! Documentaries are more gruesome lol.
There was an episode of Community about D&D pulled for "drow" face. Also many segments of the Muppet Show can't be seen due to copyright issues.
It's a shame. That D&D episode is one of my favorites. The streaming age giveth and taketh away :(
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Gheez wiz Lorraine, our son, who you insisted on calling Marty...sure looks like that dude you were making out with in the car on prom night...
“The Manure - …..I *remember* that…!!” Well, up until about a day and a half ago (DeLorean Mean Time), That had never even happened to him, before - Yet, still, OldBill (from The-Future) has been able to remember the stink (and the •taste• of that manure all of him, his boys, his bodywork, his leather upholstered interior - …..it’s a sensory modality thing; visual memories are the least durable, reliable and not to be trusted over time; faces are the first to go, as any child of a parent with Alzheimer’s quickly discovers; But more generally, I, myself, can recall *SEEING* certain particular things in the “live” network TV broadcast feeds on The Day of 9/11 that I *know* for certain as a matter of absolute, empirical FACT, I *did* not, nor *COULD* not have seen on the TV that day, because I know for a fact that that those thing *DIDN’T* happen - The Jumpers, specifically. And yet I still remember SEEING them that day, although now only very vaguely. (The memory had become confused with the 1Year Anniversary Broadcast on 9/11/02, Hosted by Robert DeNiro - Yes, I know : “Robert DeNiro..?! The ACTOR..?!?” Yes, THAT Robert De Niro.
Thanks for such a well thought-out comment, @spikeep6141. Whoa on Robert De Niro! We totally agree with you on sensory modality, and let's face it. That much manure is unforgettable unfortunately. However, grace mentioned in the video that we don't expect Marty's parents to recognize him as the same Marty from 1955. Her critique was more around the fact that they (especially George) forgot that "a Marty" ever existed.
all missing George the 4x4 the day after the ball !!
Thanks for your comment!