I dont see a problem since waifu happens to be meta
@noeljames53962 күн бұрын
Wait yanqing is a 4 star?
@VerbosePX4 күн бұрын
It is true but, as you mentioned, it also needs to be kept in perspective : absolutely optimal relics are not NEEDED to clear even the end game content (so far !) Up to the player to farm for them or to be happy with what they have and play something else until the next patch
@abhishekinas19427 күн бұрын
who the fplays turn base rpgs only would such stupidity
@moon_child_0009 күн бұрын
Oh these thumbnails are top notch!
@serenth83109 күн бұрын
If it's anything like Honkai Imapct have fun watching all your invested characters become useless overnight.
@zalox128 күн бұрын
True. Look for an example like clara, now she is powercrept by yunli.
@acro42139 күн бұрын
5:49 the game actually makes it so you can't lose. I fought Scaramouche during an Archon quest where Scaramouche becomes Wanderer. In that quest, my Scaramouche died when I was using him and the game just revived him I'd rather a hard fight than a fight that they don't even let you lose
@LenixDraws10 күн бұрын
I always buy the blessings since 1.4, only got 43 char and 6 limited LC. It's impossible to pull all characters unless you're giga lucky lol (Yes, I farm everything and yes I do fullstar for the last 8 month)
@Bluzlbee10 күн бұрын
I think you need to realize though, Bronya's meant for hyper speed 161 or -1 carry speed builds, cause she can than cycle SP auto attack while buffing DPS at same time Boothill loves Bronya for the simple reason of easy rotations Boothill needs
@GhostEmblem11 күн бұрын
Honestly my fav team with bronya is where she NAs all the time with 170 spd as her NA advances herself forward and has 100% crit rate which allow for surprising damage since she is always built with crit dmg. I only use her skill when I need to bring my sustain or support forward (she normally attacks at the front and back of my team before the enemy because of my NA advance forward). Hopefully with the ne Kalpagni set I can get her even higher but I already have spd 8 and 9 on vonwacq so it'll be hard to beat. Also if you get e1 firefly but thats situational and whale territory.
@sebas-qn5se15 күн бұрын
It is natural for games of this style that weapons or characters from future versions do a better job than those that were meta in the past, but just because they are no longer meta does not mean that they are bad, you can still continue using your Tingyun, or your Bronya or any other character from 1.0 perfectly, in the end what matters is enjoying the game instead of crying because they removed your favorite character from the S tier of the meta lol. And about how generous they are with their rewards? Would you rather have barely any characters, have to choose between your favorites from the new version/have to skip the new character/not be able to get their weapon and have to wait several months to have the other one because you don't have enough wishes? Or be able to have both without having to spend tons of time farming? It's really stupid to prefer Genshin just because they give less rewards. I mean, you really prefer not to have almost any characters 💀
@Aledramin16 күн бұрын
WTF? In what part of the story mod do you need meta characters?
@Inuyashaya816 күн бұрын
u telling me is ok i get the same reward for exploring 3 days in a row on genshin so i get 100% than half day for star rail xDD thats why SR is god. They care about your time and pay for the effort of "completing"
@apotatowithnorights16 күн бұрын
I don't get the comments saying its not that generous... just from 2.0 to 2.3 i got like 8 5 stars?? 💀
@sebas-qn5se15 күн бұрын
Well, either you have put money into that account or that is the most unnecessary lie that I have seen. I have been playing since the beginning of 2.2 and the only 2 5* I have managed to get have been Bailu and his E1 in addition to some tickets for Firefly, and you are saying that you got 8 diferents??? Don't exaggerate things that much lol
@apotatowithnorights14 күн бұрын
@@sebas-qn5se i just buy that thing that gives 90 stellar jades daily, and yes they were different. From 2.0 i got black swan, dan heng and sparkle 2.1 acheron, aventurine, 2.2 robin and fu xuan, and clara from the permanent banner and I have almost 40 pity for firefly so..
@sebas-qn5se14 күн бұрын
@@apotatowithnorights Well, quite a good account ngl. Even so, it has nothing to do with being generous, but rather that you are very lucky. Remember that having a large number of rolls does not guarantee getting a 5*, even hitting the hard pity you can lose 50/50.
@ThisIsRemyHere16 күн бұрын
Ngl kinda an L take on meta and skill issue honestly. herta, pela, tinyun is still very prominent in the meta and a lot of people still using them even hardcore CN player, not only that new release character and old 5 star character still compliments this 3 such as himeko and herta; SW and pela; robin and tinyun, you don't necessarily need Mei too make robin better either. another thing is bronya is still pretty good and sometimes used with sparkle too advance forward the dps by alot enabling atk/hp boots instead of spd. as for the lack of skill of course it exist, people that cant strategize properly lack the skill to strategize so it is a skill issue and if you ty to say that you need X character for X weakness it's design that way so players do want to strategize and hoyoverse is trying to cover every single element with a free character
@jilonyt16 күн бұрын
The only mistake I make about this video is forgetting Herta as a meta character, Pela is strong, but I already mentioned her. But the rest? NO, they're just mid compared to the newer ones. Using fire to break fire, using sustainer to protect your team, using support to buff your dps, using dps to deal damage. You can't call such simple thing as a skill, it's just a common sense. What makes this game feels hard is because their high dps check, not the strategy. Try E7 if you want a real strategy turn base gacha game, especially their RTA.
@ThisIsRemyHere16 күн бұрын
@@jilonyt If that's the case even the dps and supports in genshin is no different especially if you compare xiangling to hutao, yes xiangling is f2p but hutao is just better in general. the same goes for xingqiu, yes xingqiu is good but yelan or furina is still better. as far as i'm concern only bennet that does not fall into this for most character. you saying tinyun is mid is the same as saying xingqiu as mid
@gay4caelen16 күн бұрын
this is just true with every hoyoverse game if you play only for the gameplay. pulling for new characters and building your current ones to be even better. why i play for the interesting story lol i love the hsr story. this problem is the same with genshin impact and maybe even hi3 too. why i burnt out of genshin impact, literally nothing to do once i reached ar60 and so burnt out from playing everyday that i just didnt enjoy the story anymore.
@Zeg-eh5ik16 күн бұрын
any gacha be like:
@qwule17 күн бұрын
"No release characters are top of the meta" looks at PF and herta and Himeko, and Himeko is also preforming extremely well on current patch MOC 12. Bronya and Tingyun are still used in many 0 cycle MOC setups aswell, which are the highest difficulty thing you can do in star rail.
@jilonyt17 күн бұрын
The first part, I forgot about Herta. Himeko? Nope, don't put Herta and himeko on the same tier. top tier characters means she doesn't need to depend on enemy weaknesses. Bronya and tingyun? No, the newerr harmony are much better
@ohlordhecomming477716 күн бұрын
@@jilonyt naw bros trolling, bronya is still top 3 support
@qwule16 күн бұрын
@@jilonyt Yes but when they enemies have the correct weaknesses, like the current MOC 12 Himeko is literal the highest pick rate dps and even then for PF himeko is on most people’s tier list for second or third best dps behind Herta lmao. You can go find many 0 cycles of last patch that use both of the older Harmony’s together with the newer ones. If a character is capable of 0 cycling they’re pretty damn good.
@kylehenline324516 күн бұрын
@@jilonyt Lmao don't need to depend on enemy weaknesses? You clearly don't zero cycle, and thus your opinion on what is top teir is questionable at best. Bronya is absolutely still the best in slot over sparkle for a quite a few team comps.
@jilonyt16 күн бұрын
@@ohlordhecomming4777 nah, bros is coping.
@leondris17 күн бұрын
Also saying skill issue does not exist is also idiotic my friend was struggling with the new boss, the orchestra thinghy or what ever, I beat it first try on her acc
@leondris17 күн бұрын
So let me go nerdy nerd, your tingyun and bronya point is bs, for a jingliu team Will be better off with her then with sparkle, and there is also a robin X tingyun strat. What I mean is your point is ok on the average level, but when you have more game knowledge it mostly applies to dps characters
@jilonyt17 күн бұрын
Only for jingliu, and other small number of dps? And u think that's enough to put her on the same level as sparkle? Robin x tingyun or Robin x RM? Which one is better for overall damage? If you really play the game u should know the answer, and the gap is huge.
@enigmata_zealot16 күн бұрын
@@jilonyt that first argument wasnt even making any sense, it as if u wanted every dps to use Tingyun Bronya, Boothil still prefers Bronya, just like how DHIL prefers Sparkle. it s like u r saying u wanted to use Kokomi on Hutao instead of Xingque or Yelan. like did u even realize that both Sparkle and Bronya gave different type of buff? Bronya gave way more DMG multiple less CDMG and 100% Adv Forward, but Sparkle gave more CDMG, less DMG multiple, and 50% adv forward with addition of SP gain. and Ruan Mei ofc gave more dmg. by ur logic i could asked the same question, which one is better for overral damage, Sucrose or Kazuha? which one give stronger shield Noel or Zhongli? which one have better heal Barbara or Kokomi?
@Taurent9999917 күн бұрын
I've been playing both games F2P consistently since they came out and I've gotten every other character and it's signature lightcone in Star Rail with about 200 tickets worth of jades to spare every time. I'm pretty sure I could have gotten almost every character, but I'd rather skip some I don't care too much about to get copies of my favorites. I can't say the same about Genshin, even though it's been out for more than twice as long, and it releases fewer new characters. I don't think I've ever even pulled in the weapon banner because I can never afford it if I'm pulling for the character.
@peaismyrealname43417 күн бұрын
if you think hsr is generous, it only means that hoyo has gotten you in it's crack. Rethink yourself
@mRpapastalin17 күн бұрын
Genshin devs are selfish pricks, thats all.
@mRpapastalin17 күн бұрын
Genshin devs are selfish pricks, thats all.
@omercohen464717 күн бұрын
i think the main reason is gameplay when you play genshin you need one team to complete almost all the content in the game except abyss but if you play star rail they encourage you to build up as much as you can on in other words a lot of characters meta or not it does not matter cus each character has it own scenerio where that character is the meta and the change of content also change the meta (enemies)
@enigmata_zealot16 күн бұрын
u mean endgame content
@substainablejuices969517 күн бұрын
4:40 Tingyun is still used alot, especially when you can skill spam and ult spam ddd in my opinion she actually became better with supports like sparkle
@seekeyace17 күн бұрын
true, even when robin came out tingyun can actually help robin recover her ult
@whyamistillhere325816 күн бұрын
Tingyun’s role servers different purpose, Bronya is for big damage increase, Sparkle is for extra skill point and tingyun is for ult charge I still don’t know why people love comparing different harmony, for now tingyun has no “superior” replacement other than perhaps HuoHuo you can argue about, but huohuo is a healer.
@bl00by_17 күн бұрын
Actually "Meta" doesn't stand for "most effective tactics available". It's a short term for metagaming. It just became a backronym (people basically made meta into an ackronym years later) ☝️🤓 Also I just want to say that even if those points are the case that it doesn't mean that genshin should stay like this. Giving HSR and HI3 players a bunch of free stuff (especially on the anniversary) while genshin gets one 10 pull is crazy. Even if we exclude other hoyoverse games genshin still treats it's players badly compared to other gacha games. Like one of the biggest points of why genshin doesn't do anything like that is because unlike other gacha games it doesn't have to compete. Games like Wuthering Waves won't come even close to GI success, so why even bother? (That's imo the actual reason why)
@jilonyt17 күн бұрын
Thank you very much for the useful information about meta so the community can use better phrase I never say I agree with how GI treat their players, I'm just saying that GI and HSR has some different balancing that makes HSR need more premium resources, while GI not
@Sofisasam17 күн бұрын
"hsr gives you so many primos that you can pull almost every character" excuse me? I even paid for the 90 daily stellar jades and i still dont have NEARLY all the characters (elaborated in a reply further down with my stats for curious people)
@4z0vv17 күн бұрын
You don't grind enough ig? I'm f2p and have a lot of characters + their light cones.
@vermilion696617 күн бұрын
She's just lying. To get every character (4 total) per patch youd need 600 warps assuming you lose 50/50 but will get them at soft pity at 75. 150x4=600 And HSR only gives 100 puls per patch. So yeah
@eduardogc140417 күн бұрын
@@vermilion6966 I think she means every new character, but still it is not realistic.
@jilonyt17 күн бұрын
And why you're counting with the worst case possible? Is it really how your account looks like? Then you already answer your question. And don't forget if this game has a rerun banner and already reach patch 2.x. So 4 new characters per patch is definitely a bullsht
@vermilion696617 күн бұрын
@@eduardogc1404 even if its every new character its still lying. Even if she assumes 100 pulls per patch for 2 new ones youd need 150x2 = 300. Literally 200 more pulls. What they give you (100 pulls) its only 1 NON event guaranteed character OR non event light cone. I actually got 2 bronyas light cones and 1 welts and not a single non even character. So yeah. Its still crp.
@vermilion696617 күн бұрын
How is it more 'generous'? So far we only had 2 things that genshin does not: 1. 1 Free event 5 star 1. 1 additional standard 5 star once you make 300 pulls in the standard banner And while those 2 things are nice they do little for the players. As a new player I didnt feel that much better just having Ratio as a only 5 star dps with no 5 star supports for him. As a new player, I have no access to additional standard 5 starts for about 4 to 6 months (and most of them kinda suck anyway, himeko is good for PF and Bronya is a nice support but thats literally it. They all dont do much for your account) I wont comment on a 'better' weapon banner because you STILL can very much lose on it and it still takes 140-160 warps to get a weapon if youre unlucky. Its still too many warps for a stat stick. Its not that generous You still only can get ONE event character per patch and no event weapons unless you donate. 1 character out of 4 released and no weapon isnt 'generous'
@jilonyt17 күн бұрын
Just type honkai star rail patch x.x stellar jade count and compare it with genshin. The difference is pretty big. In 2.2, HSR gives 100 pulls for f2p while genshin only 70 in 4.7 (Source sportskeeda). They also breakdown the sources are. I don't understand if you still think this isn't generous enough
@vermilion696617 күн бұрын
@@jilonyt no its not. Even IF we will give it theres a difference in 30 pulls (but really I wont because it assumes that you hit every node with 36 stars and get every chest and every quest which most people wont) its still ONE NON ewent 5 star. Out of FOUR five stars released either way you only get one if youre lucky because its not 160 pulls for a guaranteed one. No, its not 'generous'. Generous is when you can get most new characters e0 as f2p and games like that exist. HSR and genshin arent one of those games
@jilonyt17 күн бұрын
@vermilion6966 why you keep talking like there's is only one banner per character? You keep saying like we only have one chance per character. I've already told you, this game has rerun banner. It means, you don't need to force yourself to get that character at their first release. Let's say u want firefly and jade. With your bad luck, the best thing you can do is to choose the one you want the most. Then wait the other until their rerun. You always saying guaranteed guaranteed and guaranteed. Dude, this is a gacha game, you need to have at least one good luck, right? If you really think you can get all the new characters per patch, then the problem is not the generosity of the game. But you, who being too gredy. And tell me what game is that? Because I've only seen that thing in an idle gacha game, or low grossing game.
@DPStry-unit17 күн бұрын
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@vermilion696617 күн бұрын
@@jilonyt Lmao youre the one who said HSR is 'generous' and Im pointing out the fact its absolutely isnt. Dont try and act like it is when all facts are against you with those excuses. Let's say u want firefly and jade. With your bad luck, the best thing you can do is to choose the one you want the most. Then wait the other until their rerun. - And 6 months later when you will have their reruns not only their usefulness can diminish but 6 months later you will be having 1 or 2 of them as reruns AND 2 MORE NEW CHARACTERS like Jade #2 and FF # 2 and now you have to choose from 3 or 4 units as you again can only get one - IF youre lucky because 100 pulls is only 0,5 or 0,75 guaranteed event five star. Stop with those excuses. Generosity is when you, playing daily, doing all the content that you can and completing everything to 90-100% can get *almost* any unit 9at e0 of course) that you want. Generosity could be even getting 1 or 2 guaranteed - so guaranteed Jade OR FF. Getting 1 five star in 1,5-2 months isnt 'generous'. No amount of your excuses will prove otherwise And tell me what game is that? Because I've only seen that thing in an idle gacha game, or low grossing game - I dont know the names because I generally speaking dont play gachas and I dont care to remember them, it might be arknight or something else and it wont make a difference. I used to play warframe and there you can get anything at any time including all the characters, weapons or skins without paying a dime and the 0,1% that you cant get is just extra bs you dont need anyway. Youd say but its not gacha and youre demn right, one more reason not to play those c.sino wheels in a 3D wrap
@eduardogc140417 күн бұрын
Also the fact that star rail releases two 5 stars each version, while genshin usually releases one (sometimes two and sometimes none)
@vermilion696617 күн бұрын
You realize thats a bad thing dont you? That means you will be able to get LESS characters in HSR
@eduardogc140417 күн бұрын
@@vermilion6966 that was my point, you get some more pull, but characters come twice as fast. So if put into perspective, they give more or less the same rewards. If genshin gave the same amount of rewards star rail does you would be able to get almost every new character unless you were extremely unlucky.
@pxndavic17 күн бұрын
@@vermilion6966 it's not really a bad thing... you can get both characters if you want...I have managed that
@pxndavic17 күн бұрын
@@eduardogc1404 that's a really bad logic right there.... HSR does give out more pulls and you can still get both. In genshin, it's rare to even get one character in genshin
@eduardogc140417 күн бұрын
@@pxndavic that's just not true. I mean If you are lucky sure you can but not in general. HSR on average gives 90 pulls per patch, and genshin 70. Neither of them give you enough to guarantee a limited five star. The difference is that on HSR you need to get two 5 star and in genshin only one (usually). Considering that you want every new character of course
@YellowDumpyNoob18 күн бұрын
You dont even need to pull just to get good at hsr you dont need meta someone already manage to get to upto acheron banner without pulling once in any banner you only need meta for the end game not story mode its pretty easy if you have sustaine you know(story mode i mean) youre explanation dont have enough research even i dont know what im talking about only i know is just that you need a right build for a character to get good everyone can be good(except arlan) in hsr as long as ypu have the right build
@jilonyt18 күн бұрын
So what if someone manage to get to Acheron banner without pulling anyone? Did you really believe if some random people on the internet can do that, then everyone should be able to do that too? That's what you mean by enough research? I keep mentioning the word nerf on story mode because a lot of people feels struggled, even when they are pulling. And the fact that the developer, the one with accurate research data answered with a nerf, then it means the developer itself understand the story mode is just too hard, right?
@Cr1msOwO18 күн бұрын
That's if they play from the start.. it could be close to impossible to best her if u never pull if u start in the current versions due to lack of free 4 stars and free dr ratio
@YellowDumpyNoob18 күн бұрын
@@Cr1msOwO oh forgot about you need to go start
@eduardogc140417 күн бұрын
No offense, but just because someone did that that doesn't mean everyone can, or that it is not hard. Following that logic, we could say that because some people have beaten sekiro without getting hit sekiro is an easy game, right?
@vermilion696617 күн бұрын
Imagine playing gacha for the 'story'
@Reialine21 күн бұрын
Funneling all into one stat makes it more complicated to farm, when it comes to Jingliu i decided to go for a fast jingliu, with 140 SPD, 50% Crit rate and 238% damage, while it doesnt sound like a giant crit ratio, she does 0 clear super consistently due to having less stress of getting all rolls in crit damage having spd, to optimize jingliu already one shots most of the enemies. Garnering too much crit values helps a lot with bosses but when it comes to destruction units i would suggest trying SPD to optimize kill times given they specialize in AoE, this also worked wonders on my Blade. Also SPD contributes to toughness break as well, specially if you have characters that advance like sparkle or bronya, while you might not see giant numbers it makes the fights a lot smoother. DHIL on the other hand will not benefit from SPD hence his higher scaling despite coming around close banners to jingliu and blade, as even making him faster wont contribute due to his high skill point consumption being the main factor of his insane scaling, therefore its important to know that yes, you might not get close to DHIL's, Acheron's, and some standard banner units like Clara's and Welt's ceilings of levels but there's so much they can do mechanically and SPD is another stat to take in mind.
@Mattarii21 күн бұрын
This video could have been so much shorter.
@arcanacoltic97123 күн бұрын
We bitching about luck and gambling in a gacha game with this one 🗣
@kitsuchii680927 күн бұрын
Tbh reversed jl just build as much atk as posdible 😂
@mp9104Ай бұрын
No Tingyun is still really good. Only other character with energy gen is Huohuo who fills the sustain slot and not the buffer slot on a team. Also Gallager way better than Bailu.
@therion451Ай бұрын
Ah yes the typical "you should vertical invest to clear endgame faster" but then when its done be like "now what?" After that, farming relics endlessly to reach the usually unrealistic stats till u get burnout and quit the game, maybe even move to other gacha and repeat the cycle all over again.
@SheWannaVampАй бұрын
HAH the hardest thing to do in hsr is fight the new boss
@Awesomenoobgod24 күн бұрын
Frrr
@cakeman4527Ай бұрын
i thought bro was gonna say gold and gears c12
@ghotyolocanisyn288016 күн бұрын
Same
@Vergil69420Ай бұрын
haha, perfect 5 star crit rate and crit dmg substat but mainstat hp boot
@59foofighter15Ай бұрын
Yanqing as 4 star is overestimating Also, imo, Gallagher > Bailu, healing his teammates off his turn can lead to more aggressive plays, not to mention his synergy with Acheron (he debuffs ATK and his Ult counts as a debuff), and soon, Firefly
@asafesseidonsapphireАй бұрын
And every break team, so Boothill as well.
@HazZzel-Ай бұрын
Nah, I'd Argenti
@festivedarnspahs5676Ай бұрын
woah would the hp reduction basically give blade an extra of his passive counter marks whenever he uses enhanced basic??
@labeartАй бұрын
yeah per attack he gets two passive counts with the debt suff from jade
@kitsuchii680927 күн бұрын
On ult too bc its atk
@kitsuchii680927 күн бұрын
And jade love followups so yeah
@dolunayunluАй бұрын
In my first account, i get the character i didn’t want in beginners wish and lose Jiyan at 70 pity. I rerolled and in second account, i get the character i didn’t want in beginners wish again but i win Jiyan at 21 pity. So yeah, i think that was worth
@AloyImpactАй бұрын
Low key I’m about to refarm for my Blade so I can brute force everything lol
@TBHallowBoomerАй бұрын
Imbibator loonie 😂
@yeno-xz1tbАй бұрын
real ones know the predator achievement ( without glitch) is the hardest thing in hsr.
@JohnSmith-ri2edАй бұрын
That's impossible 😭
@arcanacoltic97123 күн бұрын
What's the requirement?
@bluwucat976220 күн бұрын
@@arcanacoltic971 to obtain the achievement you need to clear a Swarm Disaster run with destruction path having 40 battles won
@yass3425Ай бұрын
The characters are really well balanced reroling it isn't really required
@N5FXАй бұрын
People might want to reroll for their favorite character not just for meta
@agrimagrawal8419Ай бұрын
That's right ,but it ruins your gacha experience
@yass3425Ай бұрын
@@N5FX my words was towards those who pull for the meta which may get stressing for some But yeah everyone have the right to do what they enjoy the most :)
@N5FXАй бұрын
@@yass3425 Sorry if my comment sounded toxic, i agree with your point overall. Wish you good luck and to everyone pulling this week
@yass3425Ай бұрын
@@N5FX nah it didn't sounded toxic you were merely explaining it You too 💙 (^_^)
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I dont see a problem since waifu happens to be meta
Wait yanqing is a 4 star?
It is true but, as you mentioned, it also needs to be kept in perspective : absolutely optimal relics are not NEEDED to clear even the end game content (so far !) Up to the player to farm for them or to be happy with what they have and play something else until the next patch
who the fplays turn base rpgs only would such stupidity
Oh these thumbnails are top notch!
If it's anything like Honkai Imapct have fun watching all your invested characters become useless overnight.
True. Look for an example like clara, now she is powercrept by yunli.
5:49 the game actually makes it so you can't lose. I fought Scaramouche during an Archon quest where Scaramouche becomes Wanderer. In that quest, my Scaramouche died when I was using him and the game just revived him I'd rather a hard fight than a fight that they don't even let you lose
I always buy the blessings since 1.4, only got 43 char and 6 limited LC. It's impossible to pull all characters unless you're giga lucky lol (Yes, I farm everything and yes I do fullstar for the last 8 month)
I think you need to realize though, Bronya's meant for hyper speed 161 or -1 carry speed builds, cause she can than cycle SP auto attack while buffing DPS at same time Boothill loves Bronya for the simple reason of easy rotations Boothill needs
Honestly my fav team with bronya is where she NAs all the time with 170 spd as her NA advances herself forward and has 100% crit rate which allow for surprising damage since she is always built with crit dmg. I only use her skill when I need to bring my sustain or support forward (she normally attacks at the front and back of my team before the enemy because of my NA advance forward). Hopefully with the ne Kalpagni set I can get her even higher but I already have spd 8 and 9 on vonwacq so it'll be hard to beat. Also if you get e1 firefly but thats situational and whale territory.
It is natural for games of this style that weapons or characters from future versions do a better job than those that were meta in the past, but just because they are no longer meta does not mean that they are bad, you can still continue using your Tingyun, or your Bronya or any other character from 1.0 perfectly, in the end what matters is enjoying the game instead of crying because they removed your favorite character from the S tier of the meta lol. And about how generous they are with their rewards? Would you rather have barely any characters, have to choose between your favorites from the new version/have to skip the new character/not be able to get their weapon and have to wait several months to have the other one because you don't have enough wishes? Or be able to have both without having to spend tons of time farming? It's really stupid to prefer Genshin just because they give less rewards. I mean, you really prefer not to have almost any characters 💀
WTF? In what part of the story mod do you need meta characters?
u telling me is ok i get the same reward for exploring 3 days in a row on genshin so i get 100% than half day for star rail xDD thats why SR is god. They care about your time and pay for the effort of "completing"
I don't get the comments saying its not that generous... just from 2.0 to 2.3 i got like 8 5 stars?? 💀
Well, either you have put money into that account or that is the most unnecessary lie that I have seen. I have been playing since the beginning of 2.2 and the only 2 5* I have managed to get have been Bailu and his E1 in addition to some tickets for Firefly, and you are saying that you got 8 diferents??? Don't exaggerate things that much lol
@@sebas-qn5se i just buy that thing that gives 90 stellar jades daily, and yes they were different. From 2.0 i got black swan, dan heng and sparkle 2.1 acheron, aventurine, 2.2 robin and fu xuan, and clara from the permanent banner and I have almost 40 pity for firefly so..
@@apotatowithnorights Well, quite a good account ngl. Even so, it has nothing to do with being generous, but rather that you are very lucky. Remember that having a large number of rolls does not guarantee getting a 5*, even hitting the hard pity you can lose 50/50.
Ngl kinda an L take on meta and skill issue honestly. herta, pela, tinyun is still very prominent in the meta and a lot of people still using them even hardcore CN player, not only that new release character and old 5 star character still compliments this 3 such as himeko and herta; SW and pela; robin and tinyun, you don't necessarily need Mei too make robin better either. another thing is bronya is still pretty good and sometimes used with sparkle too advance forward the dps by alot enabling atk/hp boots instead of spd. as for the lack of skill of course it exist, people that cant strategize properly lack the skill to strategize so it is a skill issue and if you ty to say that you need X character for X weakness it's design that way so players do want to strategize and hoyoverse is trying to cover every single element with a free character
The only mistake I make about this video is forgetting Herta as a meta character, Pela is strong, but I already mentioned her. But the rest? NO, they're just mid compared to the newer ones. Using fire to break fire, using sustainer to protect your team, using support to buff your dps, using dps to deal damage. You can't call such simple thing as a skill, it's just a common sense. What makes this game feels hard is because their high dps check, not the strategy. Try E7 if you want a real strategy turn base gacha game, especially their RTA.
@@jilonyt If that's the case even the dps and supports in genshin is no different especially if you compare xiangling to hutao, yes xiangling is f2p but hutao is just better in general. the same goes for xingqiu, yes xingqiu is good but yelan or furina is still better. as far as i'm concern only bennet that does not fall into this for most character. you saying tinyun is mid is the same as saying xingqiu as mid
this is just true with every hoyoverse game if you play only for the gameplay. pulling for new characters and building your current ones to be even better. why i play for the interesting story lol i love the hsr story. this problem is the same with genshin impact and maybe even hi3 too. why i burnt out of genshin impact, literally nothing to do once i reached ar60 and so burnt out from playing everyday that i just didnt enjoy the story anymore.
any gacha be like:
"No release characters are top of the meta" looks at PF and herta and Himeko, and Himeko is also preforming extremely well on current patch MOC 12. Bronya and Tingyun are still used in many 0 cycle MOC setups aswell, which are the highest difficulty thing you can do in star rail.
The first part, I forgot about Herta. Himeko? Nope, don't put Herta and himeko on the same tier. top tier characters means she doesn't need to depend on enemy weaknesses. Bronya and tingyun? No, the newerr harmony are much better
@@jilonyt naw bros trolling, bronya is still top 3 support
@@jilonyt Yes but when they enemies have the correct weaknesses, like the current MOC 12 Himeko is literal the highest pick rate dps and even then for PF himeko is on most people’s tier list for second or third best dps behind Herta lmao. You can go find many 0 cycles of last patch that use both of the older Harmony’s together with the newer ones. If a character is capable of 0 cycling they’re pretty damn good.
@@jilonyt Lmao don't need to depend on enemy weaknesses? You clearly don't zero cycle, and thus your opinion on what is top teir is questionable at best. Bronya is absolutely still the best in slot over sparkle for a quite a few team comps.
@@ohlordhecomming4777 nah, bros is coping.
Also saying skill issue does not exist is also idiotic my friend was struggling with the new boss, the orchestra thinghy or what ever, I beat it first try on her acc
So let me go nerdy nerd, your tingyun and bronya point is bs, for a jingliu team Will be better off with her then with sparkle, and there is also a robin X tingyun strat. What I mean is your point is ok on the average level, but when you have more game knowledge it mostly applies to dps characters
Only for jingliu, and other small number of dps? And u think that's enough to put her on the same level as sparkle? Robin x tingyun or Robin x RM? Which one is better for overall damage? If you really play the game u should know the answer, and the gap is huge.
@@jilonyt that first argument wasnt even making any sense, it as if u wanted every dps to use Tingyun Bronya, Boothil still prefers Bronya, just like how DHIL prefers Sparkle. it s like u r saying u wanted to use Kokomi on Hutao instead of Xingque or Yelan. like did u even realize that both Sparkle and Bronya gave different type of buff? Bronya gave way more DMG multiple less CDMG and 100% Adv Forward, but Sparkle gave more CDMG, less DMG multiple, and 50% adv forward with addition of SP gain. and Ruan Mei ofc gave more dmg. by ur logic i could asked the same question, which one is better for overral damage, Sucrose or Kazuha? which one give stronger shield Noel or Zhongli? which one have better heal Barbara or Kokomi?
I've been playing both games F2P consistently since they came out and I've gotten every other character and it's signature lightcone in Star Rail with about 200 tickets worth of jades to spare every time. I'm pretty sure I could have gotten almost every character, but I'd rather skip some I don't care too much about to get copies of my favorites. I can't say the same about Genshin, even though it's been out for more than twice as long, and it releases fewer new characters. I don't think I've ever even pulled in the weapon banner because I can never afford it if I'm pulling for the character.
if you think hsr is generous, it only means that hoyo has gotten you in it's crack. Rethink yourself
Genshin devs are selfish pricks, thats all.
Genshin devs are selfish pricks, thats all.
i think the main reason is gameplay when you play genshin you need one team to complete almost all the content in the game except abyss but if you play star rail they encourage you to build up as much as you can on in other words a lot of characters meta or not it does not matter cus each character has it own scenerio where that character is the meta and the change of content also change the meta (enemies)
u mean endgame content
4:40 Tingyun is still used alot, especially when you can skill spam and ult spam ddd in my opinion she actually became better with supports like sparkle
true, even when robin came out tingyun can actually help robin recover her ult
Tingyun’s role servers different purpose, Bronya is for big damage increase, Sparkle is for extra skill point and tingyun is for ult charge I still don’t know why people love comparing different harmony, for now tingyun has no “superior” replacement other than perhaps HuoHuo you can argue about, but huohuo is a healer.
Actually "Meta" doesn't stand for "most effective tactics available". It's a short term for metagaming. It just became a backronym (people basically made meta into an ackronym years later) ☝️🤓 Also I just want to say that even if those points are the case that it doesn't mean that genshin should stay like this. Giving HSR and HI3 players a bunch of free stuff (especially on the anniversary) while genshin gets one 10 pull is crazy. Even if we exclude other hoyoverse games genshin still treats it's players badly compared to other gacha games. Like one of the biggest points of why genshin doesn't do anything like that is because unlike other gacha games it doesn't have to compete. Games like Wuthering Waves won't come even close to GI success, so why even bother? (That's imo the actual reason why)
Thank you very much for the useful information about meta so the community can use better phrase I never say I agree with how GI treat their players, I'm just saying that GI and HSR has some different balancing that makes HSR need more premium resources, while GI not
"hsr gives you so many primos that you can pull almost every character" excuse me? I even paid for the 90 daily stellar jades and i still dont have NEARLY all the characters (elaborated in a reply further down with my stats for curious people)
You don't grind enough ig? I'm f2p and have a lot of characters + their light cones.
She's just lying. To get every character (4 total) per patch youd need 600 warps assuming you lose 50/50 but will get them at soft pity at 75. 150x4=600 And HSR only gives 100 puls per patch. So yeah
@@vermilion6966 I think she means every new character, but still it is not realistic.
And why you're counting with the worst case possible? Is it really how your account looks like? Then you already answer your question. And don't forget if this game has a rerun banner and already reach patch 2.x. So 4 new characters per patch is definitely a bullsht
@@eduardogc1404 even if its every new character its still lying. Even if she assumes 100 pulls per patch for 2 new ones youd need 150x2 = 300. Literally 200 more pulls. What they give you (100 pulls) its only 1 NON event guaranteed character OR non event light cone. I actually got 2 bronyas light cones and 1 welts and not a single non even character. So yeah. Its still crp.
How is it more 'generous'? So far we only had 2 things that genshin does not: 1. 1 Free event 5 star 1. 1 additional standard 5 star once you make 300 pulls in the standard banner And while those 2 things are nice they do little for the players. As a new player I didnt feel that much better just having Ratio as a only 5 star dps with no 5 star supports for him. As a new player, I have no access to additional standard 5 starts for about 4 to 6 months (and most of them kinda suck anyway, himeko is good for PF and Bronya is a nice support but thats literally it. They all dont do much for your account) I wont comment on a 'better' weapon banner because you STILL can very much lose on it and it still takes 140-160 warps to get a weapon if youre unlucky. Its still too many warps for a stat stick. Its not that generous You still only can get ONE event character per patch and no event weapons unless you donate. 1 character out of 4 released and no weapon isnt 'generous'
Just type honkai star rail patch x.x stellar jade count and compare it with genshin. The difference is pretty big. In 2.2, HSR gives 100 pulls for f2p while genshin only 70 in 4.7 (Source sportskeeda). They also breakdown the sources are. I don't understand if you still think this isn't generous enough
@@jilonyt no its not. Even IF we will give it theres a difference in 30 pulls (but really I wont because it assumes that you hit every node with 36 stars and get every chest and every quest which most people wont) its still ONE NON ewent 5 star. Out of FOUR five stars released either way you only get one if youre lucky because its not 160 pulls for a guaranteed one. No, its not 'generous'. Generous is when you can get most new characters e0 as f2p and games like that exist. HSR and genshin arent one of those games
@vermilion6966 why you keep talking like there's is only one banner per character? You keep saying like we only have one chance per character. I've already told you, this game has rerun banner. It means, you don't need to force yourself to get that character at their first release. Let's say u want firefly and jade. With your bad luck, the best thing you can do is to choose the one you want the most. Then wait the other until their rerun. You always saying guaranteed guaranteed and guaranteed. Dude, this is a gacha game, you need to have at least one good luck, right? If you really think you can get all the new characters per patch, then the problem is not the generosity of the game. But you, who being too gredy. And tell me what game is that? Because I've only seen that thing in an idle gacha game, or low grossing game.
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@@jilonyt Lmao youre the one who said HSR is 'generous' and Im pointing out the fact its absolutely isnt. Dont try and act like it is when all facts are against you with those excuses. Let's say u want firefly and jade. With your bad luck, the best thing you can do is to choose the one you want the most. Then wait the other until their rerun. - And 6 months later when you will have their reruns not only their usefulness can diminish but 6 months later you will be having 1 or 2 of them as reruns AND 2 MORE NEW CHARACTERS like Jade #2 and FF # 2 and now you have to choose from 3 or 4 units as you again can only get one - IF youre lucky because 100 pulls is only 0,5 or 0,75 guaranteed event five star. Stop with those excuses. Generosity is when you, playing daily, doing all the content that you can and completing everything to 90-100% can get *almost* any unit 9at e0 of course) that you want. Generosity could be even getting 1 or 2 guaranteed - so guaranteed Jade OR FF. Getting 1 five star in 1,5-2 months isnt 'generous'. No amount of your excuses will prove otherwise And tell me what game is that? Because I've only seen that thing in an idle gacha game, or low grossing game - I dont know the names because I generally speaking dont play gachas and I dont care to remember them, it might be arknight or something else and it wont make a difference. I used to play warframe and there you can get anything at any time including all the characters, weapons or skins without paying a dime and the 0,1% that you cant get is just extra bs you dont need anyway. Youd say but its not gacha and youre demn right, one more reason not to play those c.sino wheels in a 3D wrap
Also the fact that star rail releases two 5 stars each version, while genshin usually releases one (sometimes two and sometimes none)
You realize thats a bad thing dont you? That means you will be able to get LESS characters in HSR
@@vermilion6966 that was my point, you get some more pull, but characters come twice as fast. So if put into perspective, they give more or less the same rewards. If genshin gave the same amount of rewards star rail does you would be able to get almost every new character unless you were extremely unlucky.
@@vermilion6966 it's not really a bad thing... you can get both characters if you want...I have managed that
@@eduardogc1404 that's a really bad logic right there.... HSR does give out more pulls and you can still get both. In genshin, it's rare to even get one character in genshin
@@pxndavic that's just not true. I mean If you are lucky sure you can but not in general. HSR on average gives 90 pulls per patch, and genshin 70. Neither of them give you enough to guarantee a limited five star. The difference is that on HSR you need to get two 5 star and in genshin only one (usually). Considering that you want every new character of course
You dont even need to pull just to get good at hsr you dont need meta someone already manage to get to upto acheron banner without pulling once in any banner you only need meta for the end game not story mode its pretty easy if you have sustaine you know(story mode i mean) youre explanation dont have enough research even i dont know what im talking about only i know is just that you need a right build for a character to get good everyone can be good(except arlan) in hsr as long as ypu have the right build
So what if someone manage to get to Acheron banner without pulling anyone? Did you really believe if some random people on the internet can do that, then everyone should be able to do that too? That's what you mean by enough research? I keep mentioning the word nerf on story mode because a lot of people feels struggled, even when they are pulling. And the fact that the developer, the one with accurate research data answered with a nerf, then it means the developer itself understand the story mode is just too hard, right?
That's if they play from the start.. it could be close to impossible to best her if u never pull if u start in the current versions due to lack of free 4 stars and free dr ratio
@@Cr1msOwO oh forgot about you need to go start
No offense, but just because someone did that that doesn't mean everyone can, or that it is not hard. Following that logic, we could say that because some people have beaten sekiro without getting hit sekiro is an easy game, right?
Imagine playing gacha for the 'story'
Funneling all into one stat makes it more complicated to farm, when it comes to Jingliu i decided to go for a fast jingliu, with 140 SPD, 50% Crit rate and 238% damage, while it doesnt sound like a giant crit ratio, she does 0 clear super consistently due to having less stress of getting all rolls in crit damage having spd, to optimize jingliu already one shots most of the enemies. Garnering too much crit values helps a lot with bosses but when it comes to destruction units i would suggest trying SPD to optimize kill times given they specialize in AoE, this also worked wonders on my Blade. Also SPD contributes to toughness break as well, specially if you have characters that advance like sparkle or bronya, while you might not see giant numbers it makes the fights a lot smoother. DHIL on the other hand will not benefit from SPD hence his higher scaling despite coming around close banners to jingliu and blade, as even making him faster wont contribute due to his high skill point consumption being the main factor of his insane scaling, therefore its important to know that yes, you might not get close to DHIL's, Acheron's, and some standard banner units like Clara's and Welt's ceilings of levels but there's so much they can do mechanically and SPD is another stat to take in mind.
This video could have been so much shorter.
We bitching about luck and gambling in a gacha game with this one 🗣
Tbh reversed jl just build as much atk as posdible 😂
No Tingyun is still really good. Only other character with energy gen is Huohuo who fills the sustain slot and not the buffer slot on a team. Also Gallager way better than Bailu.
Ah yes the typical "you should vertical invest to clear endgame faster" but then when its done be like "now what?" After that, farming relics endlessly to reach the usually unrealistic stats till u get burnout and quit the game, maybe even move to other gacha and repeat the cycle all over again.
HAH the hardest thing to do in hsr is fight the new boss
Frrr
i thought bro was gonna say gold and gears c12
Same
haha, perfect 5 star crit rate and crit dmg substat but mainstat hp boot
Yanqing as 4 star is overestimating Also, imo, Gallagher > Bailu, healing his teammates off his turn can lead to more aggressive plays, not to mention his synergy with Acheron (he debuffs ATK and his Ult counts as a debuff), and soon, Firefly
And every break team, so Boothill as well.
Nah, I'd Argenti
woah would the hp reduction basically give blade an extra of his passive counter marks whenever he uses enhanced basic??
yeah per attack he gets two passive counts with the debt suff from jade
On ult too bc its atk
And jade love followups so yeah
In my first account, i get the character i didn’t want in beginners wish and lose Jiyan at 70 pity. I rerolled and in second account, i get the character i didn’t want in beginners wish again but i win Jiyan at 21 pity. So yeah, i think that was worth
Low key I’m about to refarm for my Blade so I can brute force everything lol
Imbibator loonie 😂
real ones know the predator achievement ( without glitch) is the hardest thing in hsr.
That's impossible 😭
What's the requirement?
@@arcanacoltic971 to obtain the achievement you need to clear a Swarm Disaster run with destruction path having 40 battles won
The characters are really well balanced reroling it isn't really required
People might want to reroll for their favorite character not just for meta
That's right ,but it ruins your gacha experience
@@N5FX my words was towards those who pull for the meta which may get stressing for some But yeah everyone have the right to do what they enjoy the most :)
@@yass3425 Sorry if my comment sounded toxic, i agree with your point overall. Wish you good luck and to everyone pulling this week
@@N5FX nah it didn't sounded toxic you were merely explaining it You too 💙 (^_^)
Please show me your pela relics
Check my community post