Closed optic system only. Save another month or two and buy solar/battery system.
@MikoFiticus20 сағат бұрын
Thanks for answering my STB question!
@johnshepherd967620 сағат бұрын
Three comments: (1) You should teach iron sights first for two reasons. it is more difficult but it is an essental skill because if your dot fails you have to know yow to use irons. Mr. Murphy say they will fail at the worst posdible time. If you are worried about your student's confidence adjust the range so your student can reliably hit the target. (2) What is a lady's gun? Here are three examples from my past. College girlfriend was 6'2". An IC co-worker who was 5'9". I think when she trained the Agency was still using the Browning Hi Power as standard issue. A friend who was a part time police officer in her younger days coming in at an even 6'. Each of these wonen could easily handle anything a man can carry. (3l You can always point to cases where an open carrier gets attacked because of his gun but you know how many concealed carriers get attacked? Everyone carrying concealed who has a DGU. If someone comes after you despite seeing a gun is someone who would come after you anyway. If you are going to open carry outside the woods or rural area just use a Level 3 retention holster. It is my experience that at least 75% of the public would not notice a 1911 strapped to your hip. I hear a lot about printing but unless it is blatant nobody notices. You only think it is an issue because you know it's there.
@tessahbooth20 сағат бұрын
"If someone comes after you despite seeing a gun is someone who would come after you anyway." Respectfully, this is false. It's not hard to come across surveillance videos of both male and female open carriers being targeted solely because of the presence of their firearm. They were chosen out of a group of people in the immediate area and were targeted for the gun on their hip. I would compare it to people with cars being targeted for car jacking. In terms of teaching irons first, I still don't see this as a concrete reason for requiring shooters to start one the objectively more challenging sighting system. Sure, if they're going to immediately start carrying a gun we are going to have to give them a crash course, but when it comes to simply introducing beginners to shooting in general I think it makes the most sense to make that as easy and painless as possible.
@johnshepherd967620 сағат бұрын
@tessahbooth You miss the point entirely. Yes, there are surveillance videos that show this but that says nothing about the frequency that this happens. We don't know how often a person open carrying deters an attack. There are also surveillance videos showing concealed carriers and unarmed people being attacked. What we do know is that carry concealed deters no one. I am not advocating open carry. I only pointing the "you will be attacked" fallacy. Furthermore, anyone who sees a 5' tall women with a gun and goes after her even though she armed will see you as easy mark even if you unarmed or carrying concealed.
@tessahbooth19 сағат бұрын
@@johnshepherd9676 I understand where you're coming from. However, there are risks inherent to open carry that are not present when concealed carrying. Being targeted solely because of the presence of the gun is likely the least common of those risks. Although open carry may be a deterrent for some, in my opinion that doesn't outweigh the amount of additional eyes drawn to the open carrier and the not so unlikely Karen calling the police because "there is a man with a gun at Costco." For clarity purposes, I'm not telling others what they should or should not do, but rather providing the basis for which I've formed my personal opinions on the practice.
@johnshepherd967619 сағат бұрын
@tessahbooth There are inherent risks in any method of carry. One's objective is to avoid using the gun. If you are aware of your surroundings and understand the risk you dramatically reduce your chances of having to defend yourself with your gun.
@glenrasberry117422 сағат бұрын
Red dots make you better with irons. I said what i said.
@t3tsuyaguy122 сағат бұрын
I think red dots are great, and if you can afford it, go for it. You should still have cowitnessing iron sights and be proficient at using them. Electrical devices fail.
@3rdcoastpapi22 сағат бұрын
Dots over irons. Is like paying bills online vs paying via phone call. I stick with modern updated and improved. But I know how to use the old school.
@Lutz10123 сағат бұрын
*Shotgun fan* Love shotguns for home defense loaded with less-lethal bean bag rounds, backed up by a handgun. As these low power rounds won't cycle a semi-auto, a pump action is best, though in some nations they may be banned, in which case a double-barrel shotgun like the Stoeger Coach Gun is best (the 'Double Defense' version has rails for an RDS and white light/laser). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bean_bag_round
@Lutz10123 сағат бұрын
*Glocks suck* MUCH safer holstering a DA hammer fired pistol or a striker fired pistol with a manual safety. LOVE shooting Glocks, but HATE holstering them even with a SCD which is nowhere near as good as the hammer on a DA pistol. For regular carry I prefer the S&W 649 which has a hammer spur my thumb can rest on while holstering it. If I feel a need to carry a service pistol it will ALWAYS be a DA pistol as I want a long, heavy trigger pull for the first shot to help prevent an AD or ND in a high stress situation.
@Lutz101Күн бұрын
*Coarse-Aim Shooting Technique* You seem to be confusing sport shooting with close range defensive shooting. If a 200 yard pistol match allows 10x telescopic sights then you would do much better with such a scope than irons or a non-magnifying red dot sight, but would you want that on a handgun used for close range defensive use? At close range I shoot much faster using Jim Cirillo's Coarse-Aim shooting technique while being comparably accurate. You might want to ask yourself what you will do if you cannot see your irons or red dot. Write to the Pope and ask for divine intervention? Surrender? Run away? Freeze while about to be shot? There are countless reasons why you might not be able to clearly see your irons or red dot. Your glasses/contacts have come off, you sustained an injury to your eyes or head, poor lighting conditions, mud on the sights, a flat battery or broken RDS window, etc. Sights are great for long range defensive shots (very rare), but trying to use them in a high speed close range emergency is a terrible mistake IMO. Cirillo's Coarse-Aim shooting technique is best for such situations. gundigest.com/handguns/personal-defense/mastering-jim-cirillos-technique-for-coarse-aim-shooting
@ScarywoodyКүн бұрын
I grew up on iron sights. Having reached a certain age, the red dot makes shooting easier for me. I still shoot irons but due to deteriorating eyesight I have a hard time with the rear sight focus.
@v.german11bКүн бұрын
Electronic optics is a modern advanced development to improve firearms accuracy, compared to the old iron sights system. Particularly, if you have eye problems. A "red dot" makes shooting easier. Iron sights are falling into a thing of the past.
@Gypsyman40Күн бұрын
IMO... To truly master the handgun one must master the irons and dot. With that said the dot comes first. Eyes permitting...
@jessco8950Күн бұрын
There is absolutely no reason to NOT use a striker control device. Idk why they don’t come default on glocks.
@ZChaosFactor21 сағат бұрын
Better question would be why they aren't standard on Sigs
@WalterRasmussen-ds8veКүн бұрын
I will say it is very refreshing to hear somebody that is really honest. Keep up the good videos.
@BravoJulietAlphaКүн бұрын
There is a very good reason sig keeps coming out with more models and Glock really doesn't very often. Just do a little deep research on it and you will see all the sig failures.
@charles17508Күн бұрын
Cringe and a dei hire females should not do a few things that they look really out of there element get out of this .
@jodylivengood4061Күн бұрын
My problem with red dots on pistols for concealment is the added size where you least want it. The height of the gun. I bought a Glock 48 MOS that was used from a total gear snob, he's got the skills to take that position. It came with a RMRcc, surefire xsc, trijicon night sights, a lasermax guide rod, and several 15 and 20rd shield mags. I had seen a Glock 48 in the store and that thin profile is a big plus. I was carrying a Glock 23 Gen 2. When i got the 48 it was no longer concealable with all that stuff on it. Also had a mag well. This was also my first red dot. Heres a tip for you folks getting a pistol red dot for the first time. Dont get that one. Small window. I didnt think that would matter since its not a scope. But it does. Tried a SRO on a friend's pistol and i couldnt not find that dot. RMRcc I was having the same problems all those used to irons have with a pistol red at first, only worse. Also my shield mags are nothing but problems. Which really kills the appeal of a Glock 48 when you find it necessary to carry a high capacity pistol for protection. I live in Albuquerque NM. The criminals here have neen on more than one ocassion well armed and even know some shit and the chances of having to use your gun against one of them is the same as getting into a car wreck. Ideally it would be the same as getting into a plane crash. But its not. So my days of carrying a single stack or 5 shot anything are over. Unfortunately I sold my Glock 23 to my ex wifes brother before getting the 48. So i had to carry my Beretta M9A1 for a few days. Which incidentally is more concealable than that 48 with all that stuff on it. Overall that 48 has been a dissapointing adventure. I traded the xsc light and the RMRcc for a Aimpoint T2 for my AR straight across, pulled off the magwell as it also prints. The comes the lasermax guide rod. Have one on my Beretta. Good shit. But on the glock the takedown levers are the switches and they stick out the most on the gun. So it was always coming on in the holster pretty much any other time you didnt mean to activate it. On the beretta the slide is wider than the frame so thats not an issue. On top of all this the trijicon sights are the ones where they hang off the back of the slide and dig into you when carrying. So those are useless to. So my points are to get a red dot that isnt that small at first. Get a quality red dot. I had several people that wanted that RMRcc. Wasnt but a few days that the trade I was shooting for popped up. If its a cheap red dot nobody will want it if you also dont it. If you keep it you want the good one. Especilaly if you spend all thay money on ammo getting good with it. The Surefire XSC is a poor design compared to the Streamlight TLR7 sub. Switches suck, the spare rechargable batteries are expensive and you only get one with the light. Also its not bright. At all. Im a Surefire fan boy if nothing else, but that light sucks. Tlr7 sub with surefire rechargeable 123 batteries is what you want. Streamlight says to not use those. They also sell batteries. Been using them in tlr7a's for a few years now. Ive hit the limit on how many times they can take a charge but no problems with the light. So im using 10rd mags anf tritium sights i would replace ASAGDMFP if i ever carried that gun again. I got a Walther P99AS. Id get rid of the 48 but my daughter is almost old enough to turn over guns ive gotten for her over the years and she wants it. The glock 48 is a good shooter though. Better than that 23 or a 26, Glock's other 10rd 9mm. But not as good as the 19. I've had 3 19's over the years and i would get another one if a good deal shows up. Probably a 49 though. I would not get another 48. I really wanted to bitch about my Glock 48 experience. So thanks for listening.
@pablodelsegundo9502Күн бұрын
The exception is shooters with astigmatism. Red dots are essentially useless to me with my crappy vision.
@glenrasberry117422 сағат бұрын
Have you tried a green dot? Worked for me the tearing went away vs the red dot.
@TheGunfighter45acpКүн бұрын
I recently switched back to irons from rds for edc pistols. Why? After several years of using dots, I just got tired of dealing w/batteries, brightness settings, fogging glass, re-zeroing, new holsters, etc. I just prefer a simpler, no frills approach for an edc gun. And XS Big Dot sights really closed the gap (for me) w/threat focused irons shooting. YMMV, but just get out there & train before making a decision like this for your needs. 👍👍
@christofonobrown3659Күн бұрын
As always, thank you for posting and sharing
@gator7082Күн бұрын
Using modern logic all red dot users should have BUIS on their gun. If your red dot fails you need to understand how to use your BUIS, assuming you can still see through your optic. When you buy your pistol it automatically comes with iron sights. Why wouldn't you train with your irons before you mount your first red dot? Irons are not hard to train with at Pistol distances, no harder than red dots; it's quite fun actually and you might find you like them more in the long run. What I do believe is that red dots are the more perishable skill. If you are not willing to dry fire and practice your draws regularly, you are setting yourself up for failure. This is based on my experience only, but I find I'm slower with a red dot shooting cold if I haven't trained in awhile. I would challenge anyone the next time they go to the range: pick a qual standard and shoot it without any dry fire or warm up the next time you go. It's informative and will let you know if you are training appropriately.
@fmyles3Күн бұрын
When you got sucked into the sig grift I unsubscribed. The algorithm brought this up again. Now I block. Decisions have consequences and being bought by the slime that runs sig is enough.
@tessahboothКүн бұрын
Being bought? Man, I think that requires getting paid lol
@bwofficial177617 сағат бұрын
What grift?
@PaulyP_13Күн бұрын
I have 3 staccatos and zero issues. I have probably close to 10k through my P, the C2 and CS have a few thousand each through them. I would be interested to hear what issues your friend had
@arobb4481Күн бұрын
Part of the problem with iron sights is that most manufacturers no longer design handguns for natural "pointability". The grip angles and ergonomics suck on a lot of pistols.
@deebee4575Күн бұрын
In a self defense shooting, you’re not going to use either. Point shooting is what you'll do.
@tessahboothКүн бұрын
Meh, not using your sights is a thing, but it's not enough of a thing to say that "You're not going to use either". There are plenty of examples of CCW's having to use their sights.
@jlinka79Күн бұрын
Plot twist…target focus with irons.
@tessahboothКүн бұрын
Totally agree! Still requires the shooter to line up multiple bumpy things though lol
@jlinka79Күн бұрын
@@tessahbooth "multiple bumpy things" haha love it!! Keep up the great content!
@Libertarian_NeighborКүн бұрын
I shot every week for years on irons, about 10,000 rounds. I switched to red dots a few years ago and wish I’d shot all that ammo on dots. I think it’s best to learn on dots first, then spend a little time learning irons. Kind of like shooting strong hand, then do some training weak hand.
@voltaire5427Күн бұрын
For a guy (and probably women too) a nice rayon tank top under a T shirt. Tuck it in and over the grip. Lets you wear normal fitting T shirts without stressing about having your handle expossed if you need to put your hands above your head. Comfy and light weight too
@mias2431Күн бұрын
Great as always, thanks!
@linkbond08Күн бұрын
I have a Rossi RB22 compact, small frame 22lr bolt action rifle SDd for the kids (9, 5, &3), with a red dot, the 5 & 3yo boys are already hooked on guns, thanks to that and the 22 converted AR. once they learn how to look through a scope we'll be in hunting business!
@alaefarmestatesllc17 сағат бұрын
Now you must get the obligatory 10/22
@linkbond0817 сағат бұрын
@@alaefarmestatesllc I was raised on a Marlin model 60, so If I get another 22 it's gonna be a Marlin 795SS, I believe the mags are compatible with those Rossi uses.
@wheeler71Күн бұрын
All reasonable points, as you said before we're all different in many ways (experience size age etc) keep on going 👍 🎯🔫🇺🇸
@MechpgКүн бұрын
Great video. Thanks
@samhicks7568Күн бұрын
Another great video. Thanks.
@44MagКүн бұрын
I think learning to use a gun is like learning to drive. You should learn to drive a manual and an automatic transmission, because you never know when you will have to drive a stick shift. For guns, there is WAY more guns out there with just iron sights, than there are red dots, so I have always taught with irons, to instill the basics. (I do use a suppressed .22 also though, like you plan to do) Red dots are not for everyone, and if you get one, it should be a decent one. (likely in that $275 and up category) - Like most tasks, I think everyone is capable of learning any system if they want to, and if they apply enough time and money towards it. - I always figured if a person learned on a dot, but then it went down, they still have to be able to shoot with the irons, and if that is what they learned on, then it would be like riding a bike for them. Good video.
@RonnieEveretteКүн бұрын
My theory is, a new shooter can quickly become an intermediate with a red dot, whereas it takes tons of practice time to become sufficient using iron sights.. This idea comes from seeing my wife, her brother and father, all people who never shot a gun before, coming to the range and consistently putting shots on target accurately at a fast rate.. A red dot really makes a beginner an accurate shooter off the bat
@johnshepherd967620 сағат бұрын
I taught my wife how to shoot with a 1911 because that is what I had. She had tight groups center mass at 10 yards by the end of the first session
@bwofficial177617 сағат бұрын
@@johnshepherd9676 Shooting a 1911 is like shooting on easy mode. My 1911 is iron-sighted and it's the best shooter I own.
@sizzlechest6070Күн бұрын
Red dots trying to fix what isn’t broke. If you have bad trigger control, a red dot won’t help.
@tessahboothКүн бұрын
Well, I agree with the second half of that sentence haha
@RedZ1900Күн бұрын
Training with a 1 moa red dot allowed me to more easily see my trigger press failings and correct them.
@deebee4575Күн бұрын
Bingo
@petesheppard1709Күн бұрын
Lots of good thought food--even for a large/average man! Thanks!!
@Kenn1969Күн бұрын
Red dots, just one more thing to go wrong with your gun when you need it. Iron sights have worked just fine for hundreds of years, man-up and learn iron sights, geez. And no, red dots aren’t faster than irons if you know how to shoot. I guess everyone sucked at shooting prior to 2015.🤔🙄👎
@tessahboothКүн бұрын
Oh sheesh
@Kenn1969Күн бұрын
@@tessahbooth Exactly, btw, nothing I said was wrong, of coarse I’m not an expert with a KZread channel, so there’s that I guess.
@tessahboothКүн бұрын
@@Kenn1969 I agree, irons have worked "just fine", but I'm no expert myself. Sure, I have a KZread channel, but I don't have a Harley Davidson, so we're even haha.
@RedZ1900Күн бұрын
Having shot with both, I can get on target a lot quicker with red dot sights.
@BrokenBarBoxКүн бұрын
It’s funny to see how emotionally compromised people get over certain issues. “Man-up”? lol.
@jackinyoubabyКүн бұрын
The words bare bones and suppresor and optic dont go together. Bare bones means bare bones.
@tessahboothКүн бұрын
Bare bones was in reference to the skill of the shooter, not the gun :)
@centermass4962Күн бұрын
I love my q5 match sf.
@milspecmike8440Күн бұрын
Get co-witness irons with a red dot, learn trigger control and other fundamentals while using the simpler sighting system, then turn the dot off and work on using the irons. This is going to be the sight picture if you ever need them anyway, may as well make the learning curve less steep. I have two Staccatos, a P and now a C. The P is my competition pistol and was my sometimes winter carry, it’s completely reliable. The C is now going to be my carry pistol, I put its first 500 rounds through it yesterday with both cheap range ammo and a couple boxes of my preferred carry ammo, it was flawless. It’s going in my holster the next time I leave the house and from there on out.
@weaponeer8582Күн бұрын
You should not co-witness your red dot to your iron sights. Why would you slave your red dot to iron sights that barely come up to the bottom of the optic window? Red dot sights should be zeroed independently of your irons.
@milspecmike8440Күн бұрын
@@weaponeer8582 did I say to slave them? No. I simply meant have a set of iron sights that can be used through the optic window if the battery dies or the optic fails electrically.
@weaponeer8582Күн бұрын
@@milspecmike8440 yes, you did. Co-witnessing is slaving them to the red dot. Yes, irons would ideally be somewhat visible but truly not necessary unless maybe if you have an SRO. With any square windowed optic you should be able to make upper body torso shots at 15-20 yards even if the dot goes down without iron sights.
@milspecmike8440Күн бұрын
@@weaponeer8582agree to disagree then, I was generalizing the term used to describe sights that can be used through the optic. Run without iron sights if you want, I DGAS, yes, you can point shoot if you want, at that point why bother with any optic (that’s rhetorical, BTW)? I prefer to have a backup, I went on a trip last year and found out my 507k killed off it’s battery as the dot went out after we left despite replacing the battery 2 weeks prior, (Holosun warranty sucks to use) luckily I had irons visible through the window so I wasn’t worried that I couldn’t find a battery in that area to replace it with. I’ll take irons over an empty window any day. Bonus for new shooters, they can practice with both sighting systems on the same pistol, which is the point you seem to have missed by starting some semantic argument.
@ClaireMeeboonКүн бұрын
I would love to ccw a CS, but I can’t hide the grip! I’ll stick with my cr920
@pigpaulКүн бұрын
Awesome video!! 🙏
@tessahboothКүн бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@siestatime4638Күн бұрын
As one's eyes age, "iron" sights become more and more problematic. I learned on irons, but two of my four current EDCs have red dots; the other two are for increased invisibility.
@FBobby23 сағат бұрын
WIsh my dad understood this. He still won't shoot anything but irons.
@chrisharris6834Күн бұрын
Humble people… like myself😂😂 have no problems with Staccato reliability, I’ve had it since Feb & 8krds no problem s with the gun. Crap talkers and Staccatos= reliability problems 😂😂😂
@Razor-gx2dqКүн бұрын
If I'm paying that much for a handgun I should never have a malfunction provided I clean it regularly
@CertifiedBullpupHaterКүн бұрын
New pistol shooters I tend to teach with red dot. Take out as many variabilities as possibly. Might as well let them focus on trigger press, follow through, weapons manipulations ect.
@chrisisnapping21 сағат бұрын
just got my first pistol and specifically got an EPS carry due to how much simpler it makes everything else. first trip out I did a heck of a lot better with it compared to other pistols i've shot before with iron sights, especially when going from 7yards to 20yards.
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Closed optic system only. Save another month or two and buy solar/battery system.
Thanks for answering my STB question!
Three comments: (1) You should teach iron sights first for two reasons. it is more difficult but it is an essental skill because if your dot fails you have to know yow to use irons. Mr. Murphy say they will fail at the worst posdible time. If you are worried about your student's confidence adjust the range so your student can reliably hit the target. (2) What is a lady's gun? Here are three examples from my past. College girlfriend was 6'2". An IC co-worker who was 5'9". I think when she trained the Agency was still using the Browning Hi Power as standard issue. A friend who was a part time police officer in her younger days coming in at an even 6'. Each of these wonen could easily handle anything a man can carry. (3l You can always point to cases where an open carrier gets attacked because of his gun but you know how many concealed carriers get attacked? Everyone carrying concealed who has a DGU. If someone comes after you despite seeing a gun is someone who would come after you anyway. If you are going to open carry outside the woods or rural area just use a Level 3 retention holster. It is my experience that at least 75% of the public would not notice a 1911 strapped to your hip. I hear a lot about printing but unless it is blatant nobody notices. You only think it is an issue because you know it's there.
"If someone comes after you despite seeing a gun is someone who would come after you anyway." Respectfully, this is false. It's not hard to come across surveillance videos of both male and female open carriers being targeted solely because of the presence of their firearm. They were chosen out of a group of people in the immediate area and were targeted for the gun on their hip. I would compare it to people with cars being targeted for car jacking. In terms of teaching irons first, I still don't see this as a concrete reason for requiring shooters to start one the objectively more challenging sighting system. Sure, if they're going to immediately start carrying a gun we are going to have to give them a crash course, but when it comes to simply introducing beginners to shooting in general I think it makes the most sense to make that as easy and painless as possible.
@tessahbooth You miss the point entirely. Yes, there are surveillance videos that show this but that says nothing about the frequency that this happens. We don't know how often a person open carrying deters an attack. There are also surveillance videos showing concealed carriers and unarmed people being attacked. What we do know is that carry concealed deters no one. I am not advocating open carry. I only pointing the "you will be attacked" fallacy. Furthermore, anyone who sees a 5' tall women with a gun and goes after her even though she armed will see you as easy mark even if you unarmed or carrying concealed.
@@johnshepherd9676 I understand where you're coming from. However, there are risks inherent to open carry that are not present when concealed carrying. Being targeted solely because of the presence of the gun is likely the least common of those risks. Although open carry may be a deterrent for some, in my opinion that doesn't outweigh the amount of additional eyes drawn to the open carrier and the not so unlikely Karen calling the police because "there is a man with a gun at Costco." For clarity purposes, I'm not telling others what they should or should not do, but rather providing the basis for which I've formed my personal opinions on the practice.
@tessahbooth There are inherent risks in any method of carry. One's objective is to avoid using the gun. If you are aware of your surroundings and understand the risk you dramatically reduce your chances of having to defend yourself with your gun.
Red dots make you better with irons. I said what i said.
I think red dots are great, and if you can afford it, go for it. You should still have cowitnessing iron sights and be proficient at using them. Electrical devices fail.
Dots over irons. Is like paying bills online vs paying via phone call. I stick with modern updated and improved. But I know how to use the old school.
*Shotgun fan* Love shotguns for home defense loaded with less-lethal bean bag rounds, backed up by a handgun. As these low power rounds won't cycle a semi-auto, a pump action is best, though in some nations they may be banned, in which case a double-barrel shotgun like the Stoeger Coach Gun is best (the 'Double Defense' version has rails for an RDS and white light/laser). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bean_bag_round
*Glocks suck* MUCH safer holstering a DA hammer fired pistol or a striker fired pistol with a manual safety. LOVE shooting Glocks, but HATE holstering them even with a SCD which is nowhere near as good as the hammer on a DA pistol. For regular carry I prefer the S&W 649 which has a hammer spur my thumb can rest on while holstering it. If I feel a need to carry a service pistol it will ALWAYS be a DA pistol as I want a long, heavy trigger pull for the first shot to help prevent an AD or ND in a high stress situation.
*Coarse-Aim Shooting Technique* You seem to be confusing sport shooting with close range defensive shooting. If a 200 yard pistol match allows 10x telescopic sights then you would do much better with such a scope than irons or a non-magnifying red dot sight, but would you want that on a handgun used for close range defensive use? At close range I shoot much faster using Jim Cirillo's Coarse-Aim shooting technique while being comparably accurate. You might want to ask yourself what you will do if you cannot see your irons or red dot. Write to the Pope and ask for divine intervention? Surrender? Run away? Freeze while about to be shot? There are countless reasons why you might not be able to clearly see your irons or red dot. Your glasses/contacts have come off, you sustained an injury to your eyes or head, poor lighting conditions, mud on the sights, a flat battery or broken RDS window, etc. Sights are great for long range defensive shots (very rare), but trying to use them in a high speed close range emergency is a terrible mistake IMO. Cirillo's Coarse-Aim shooting technique is best for such situations. gundigest.com/handguns/personal-defense/mastering-jim-cirillos-technique-for-coarse-aim-shooting
I grew up on iron sights. Having reached a certain age, the red dot makes shooting easier for me. I still shoot irons but due to deteriorating eyesight I have a hard time with the rear sight focus.
Electronic optics is a modern advanced development to improve firearms accuracy, compared to the old iron sights system. Particularly, if you have eye problems. A "red dot" makes shooting easier. Iron sights are falling into a thing of the past.
IMO... To truly master the handgun one must master the irons and dot. With that said the dot comes first. Eyes permitting...
There is absolutely no reason to NOT use a striker control device. Idk why they don’t come default on glocks.
Better question would be why they aren't standard on Sigs
I will say it is very refreshing to hear somebody that is really honest. Keep up the good videos.
There is a very good reason sig keeps coming out with more models and Glock really doesn't very often. Just do a little deep research on it and you will see all the sig failures.
Cringe and a dei hire females should not do a few things that they look really out of there element get out of this .
My problem with red dots on pistols for concealment is the added size where you least want it. The height of the gun. I bought a Glock 48 MOS that was used from a total gear snob, he's got the skills to take that position. It came with a RMRcc, surefire xsc, trijicon night sights, a lasermax guide rod, and several 15 and 20rd shield mags. I had seen a Glock 48 in the store and that thin profile is a big plus. I was carrying a Glock 23 Gen 2. When i got the 48 it was no longer concealable with all that stuff on it. Also had a mag well. This was also my first red dot. Heres a tip for you folks getting a pistol red dot for the first time. Dont get that one. Small window. I didnt think that would matter since its not a scope. But it does. Tried a SRO on a friend's pistol and i couldnt not find that dot. RMRcc I was having the same problems all those used to irons have with a pistol red at first, only worse. Also my shield mags are nothing but problems. Which really kills the appeal of a Glock 48 when you find it necessary to carry a high capacity pistol for protection. I live in Albuquerque NM. The criminals here have neen on more than one ocassion well armed and even know some shit and the chances of having to use your gun against one of them is the same as getting into a car wreck. Ideally it would be the same as getting into a plane crash. But its not. So my days of carrying a single stack or 5 shot anything are over. Unfortunately I sold my Glock 23 to my ex wifes brother before getting the 48. So i had to carry my Beretta M9A1 for a few days. Which incidentally is more concealable than that 48 with all that stuff on it. Overall that 48 has been a dissapointing adventure. I traded the xsc light and the RMRcc for a Aimpoint T2 for my AR straight across, pulled off the magwell as it also prints. The comes the lasermax guide rod. Have one on my Beretta. Good shit. But on the glock the takedown levers are the switches and they stick out the most on the gun. So it was always coming on in the holster pretty much any other time you didnt mean to activate it. On the beretta the slide is wider than the frame so thats not an issue. On top of all this the trijicon sights are the ones where they hang off the back of the slide and dig into you when carrying. So those are useless to. So my points are to get a red dot that isnt that small at first. Get a quality red dot. I had several people that wanted that RMRcc. Wasnt but a few days that the trade I was shooting for popped up. If its a cheap red dot nobody will want it if you also dont it. If you keep it you want the good one. Especilaly if you spend all thay money on ammo getting good with it. The Surefire XSC is a poor design compared to the Streamlight TLR7 sub. Switches suck, the spare rechargable batteries are expensive and you only get one with the light. Also its not bright. At all. Im a Surefire fan boy if nothing else, but that light sucks. Tlr7 sub with surefire rechargeable 123 batteries is what you want. Streamlight says to not use those. They also sell batteries. Been using them in tlr7a's for a few years now. Ive hit the limit on how many times they can take a charge but no problems with the light. So im using 10rd mags anf tritium sights i would replace ASAGDMFP if i ever carried that gun again. I got a Walther P99AS. Id get rid of the 48 but my daughter is almost old enough to turn over guns ive gotten for her over the years and she wants it. The glock 48 is a good shooter though. Better than that 23 or a 26, Glock's other 10rd 9mm. But not as good as the 19. I've had 3 19's over the years and i would get another one if a good deal shows up. Probably a 49 though. I would not get another 48. I really wanted to bitch about my Glock 48 experience. So thanks for listening.
The exception is shooters with astigmatism. Red dots are essentially useless to me with my crappy vision.
Have you tried a green dot? Worked for me the tearing went away vs the red dot.
I recently switched back to irons from rds for edc pistols. Why? After several years of using dots, I just got tired of dealing w/batteries, brightness settings, fogging glass, re-zeroing, new holsters, etc. I just prefer a simpler, no frills approach for an edc gun. And XS Big Dot sights really closed the gap (for me) w/threat focused irons shooting. YMMV, but just get out there & train before making a decision like this for your needs. 👍👍
As always, thank you for posting and sharing
Using modern logic all red dot users should have BUIS on their gun. If your red dot fails you need to understand how to use your BUIS, assuming you can still see through your optic. When you buy your pistol it automatically comes with iron sights. Why wouldn't you train with your irons before you mount your first red dot? Irons are not hard to train with at Pistol distances, no harder than red dots; it's quite fun actually and you might find you like them more in the long run. What I do believe is that red dots are the more perishable skill. If you are not willing to dry fire and practice your draws regularly, you are setting yourself up for failure. This is based on my experience only, but I find I'm slower with a red dot shooting cold if I haven't trained in awhile. I would challenge anyone the next time they go to the range: pick a qual standard and shoot it without any dry fire or warm up the next time you go. It's informative and will let you know if you are training appropriately.
When you got sucked into the sig grift I unsubscribed. The algorithm brought this up again. Now I block. Decisions have consequences and being bought by the slime that runs sig is enough.
Being bought? Man, I think that requires getting paid lol
What grift?
I have 3 staccatos and zero issues. I have probably close to 10k through my P, the C2 and CS have a few thousand each through them. I would be interested to hear what issues your friend had
Part of the problem with iron sights is that most manufacturers no longer design handguns for natural "pointability". The grip angles and ergonomics suck on a lot of pistols.
In a self defense shooting, you’re not going to use either. Point shooting is what you'll do.
Meh, not using your sights is a thing, but it's not enough of a thing to say that "You're not going to use either". There are plenty of examples of CCW's having to use their sights.
Plot twist…target focus with irons.
Totally agree! Still requires the shooter to line up multiple bumpy things though lol
@@tessahbooth "multiple bumpy things" haha love it!! Keep up the great content!
I shot every week for years on irons, about 10,000 rounds. I switched to red dots a few years ago and wish I’d shot all that ammo on dots. I think it’s best to learn on dots first, then spend a little time learning irons. Kind of like shooting strong hand, then do some training weak hand.
For a guy (and probably women too) a nice rayon tank top under a T shirt. Tuck it in and over the grip. Lets you wear normal fitting T shirts without stressing about having your handle expossed if you need to put your hands above your head. Comfy and light weight too
Great as always, thanks!
I have a Rossi RB22 compact, small frame 22lr bolt action rifle SDd for the kids (9, 5, &3), with a red dot, the 5 & 3yo boys are already hooked on guns, thanks to that and the 22 converted AR. once they learn how to look through a scope we'll be in hunting business!
Now you must get the obligatory 10/22
@@alaefarmestatesllc I was raised on a Marlin model 60, so If I get another 22 it's gonna be a Marlin 795SS, I believe the mags are compatible with those Rossi uses.
All reasonable points, as you said before we're all different in many ways (experience size age etc) keep on going 👍 🎯🔫🇺🇸
Great video. Thanks
Another great video. Thanks.
I think learning to use a gun is like learning to drive. You should learn to drive a manual and an automatic transmission, because you never know when you will have to drive a stick shift. For guns, there is WAY more guns out there with just iron sights, than there are red dots, so I have always taught with irons, to instill the basics. (I do use a suppressed .22 also though, like you plan to do) Red dots are not for everyone, and if you get one, it should be a decent one. (likely in that $275 and up category) - Like most tasks, I think everyone is capable of learning any system if they want to, and if they apply enough time and money towards it. - I always figured if a person learned on a dot, but then it went down, they still have to be able to shoot with the irons, and if that is what they learned on, then it would be like riding a bike for them. Good video.
My theory is, a new shooter can quickly become an intermediate with a red dot, whereas it takes tons of practice time to become sufficient using iron sights.. This idea comes from seeing my wife, her brother and father, all people who never shot a gun before, coming to the range and consistently putting shots on target accurately at a fast rate.. A red dot really makes a beginner an accurate shooter off the bat
I taught my wife how to shoot with a 1911 because that is what I had. She had tight groups center mass at 10 yards by the end of the first session
@@johnshepherd9676 Shooting a 1911 is like shooting on easy mode. My 1911 is iron-sighted and it's the best shooter I own.
Red dots trying to fix what isn’t broke. If you have bad trigger control, a red dot won’t help.
Well, I agree with the second half of that sentence haha
Training with a 1 moa red dot allowed me to more easily see my trigger press failings and correct them.
Bingo
Lots of good thought food--even for a large/average man! Thanks!!
Red dots, just one more thing to go wrong with your gun when you need it. Iron sights have worked just fine for hundreds of years, man-up and learn iron sights, geez. And no, red dots aren’t faster than irons if you know how to shoot. I guess everyone sucked at shooting prior to 2015.🤔🙄👎
Oh sheesh
@@tessahbooth Exactly, btw, nothing I said was wrong, of coarse I’m not an expert with a KZread channel, so there’s that I guess.
@@Kenn1969 I agree, irons have worked "just fine", but I'm no expert myself. Sure, I have a KZread channel, but I don't have a Harley Davidson, so we're even haha.
Having shot with both, I can get on target a lot quicker with red dot sights.
It’s funny to see how emotionally compromised people get over certain issues. “Man-up”? lol.
The words bare bones and suppresor and optic dont go together. Bare bones means bare bones.
Bare bones was in reference to the skill of the shooter, not the gun :)
I love my q5 match sf.
Get co-witness irons with a red dot, learn trigger control and other fundamentals while using the simpler sighting system, then turn the dot off and work on using the irons. This is going to be the sight picture if you ever need them anyway, may as well make the learning curve less steep. I have two Staccatos, a P and now a C. The P is my competition pistol and was my sometimes winter carry, it’s completely reliable. The C is now going to be my carry pistol, I put its first 500 rounds through it yesterday with both cheap range ammo and a couple boxes of my preferred carry ammo, it was flawless. It’s going in my holster the next time I leave the house and from there on out.
You should not co-witness your red dot to your iron sights. Why would you slave your red dot to iron sights that barely come up to the bottom of the optic window? Red dot sights should be zeroed independently of your irons.
@@weaponeer8582 did I say to slave them? No. I simply meant have a set of iron sights that can be used through the optic window if the battery dies or the optic fails electrically.
@@milspecmike8440 yes, you did. Co-witnessing is slaving them to the red dot. Yes, irons would ideally be somewhat visible but truly not necessary unless maybe if you have an SRO. With any square windowed optic you should be able to make upper body torso shots at 15-20 yards even if the dot goes down without iron sights.
@@weaponeer8582agree to disagree then, I was generalizing the term used to describe sights that can be used through the optic. Run without iron sights if you want, I DGAS, yes, you can point shoot if you want, at that point why bother with any optic (that’s rhetorical, BTW)? I prefer to have a backup, I went on a trip last year and found out my 507k killed off it’s battery as the dot went out after we left despite replacing the battery 2 weeks prior, (Holosun warranty sucks to use) luckily I had irons visible through the window so I wasn’t worried that I couldn’t find a battery in that area to replace it with. I’ll take irons over an empty window any day. Bonus for new shooters, they can practice with both sighting systems on the same pistol, which is the point you seem to have missed by starting some semantic argument.
I would love to ccw a CS, but I can’t hide the grip! I’ll stick with my cr920
Awesome video!! 🙏
Thanks for watching!
As one's eyes age, "iron" sights become more and more problematic. I learned on irons, but two of my four current EDCs have red dots; the other two are for increased invisibility.
WIsh my dad understood this. He still won't shoot anything but irons.
Humble people… like myself😂😂 have no problems with Staccato reliability, I’ve had it since Feb & 8krds no problem s with the gun. Crap talkers and Staccatos= reliability problems 😂😂😂
If I'm paying that much for a handgun I should never have a malfunction provided I clean it regularly
New pistol shooters I tend to teach with red dot. Take out as many variabilities as possibly. Might as well let them focus on trigger press, follow through, weapons manipulations ect.
just got my first pistol and specifically got an EPS carry due to how much simpler it makes everything else. first trip out I did a heck of a lot better with it compared to other pistols i've shot before with iron sights, especially when going from 7yards to 20yards.
Interesting 🤔
Lots of sensible, well-expressed opinions.
Looks like an amazing product