I totally agree with the points you are making, especially the car cabin pre heating/cooling stuff - I get that. But the only thing keeping me in my 2nd hand (bombproof) VW Golf is the charging infrastructure on those longer (100 mile+) trips. Lovely Audi by the way.
@challengefatty7 сағат бұрын
Totally understand. Download the 'Chargefinder' app and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised how much infrastructure is out there. The e-Golf has a secret weapon too, because it only charges at around 50kW, you can use the older chargers which every one avoids and goes to the new shiny-shiny 150-350kW chargers!
@johndixon5575 күн бұрын
I did Run 4 Life 10k Sunday and it's made me wanna go again so yesterday I signed up for Thursdays media city 10k 😊
@challengefatty4 күн бұрын
I'll see you there!
@johndixon5574 күн бұрын
@@challengefattybrilliant 🧡❤️
@johndixon5572 күн бұрын
How did you do brother ?
@challengefatty7 сағат бұрын
I got dragged out on Date night instead 😞 How did you get on?
@johndixon5576 сағат бұрын
@@challengefatty not too bad mate got 52.06, I'm happy wi that only ran since April and it's my 3rd run 2nd in a week. Felt really flat all day was gonna back out myself. Was a great experience though I'll be back next time I need to eventually beat the 50 mark 🤞🏽
@GrrMeister6 күн бұрын
*Mercedes 'B' Class that can get 2 Mountain bikes in rear without dismantling them, and on a Ski Holiday at Saalbach [sadly 5 years ago] got 3 passengers and all luggage including Ski's in with 1/3 seat down. Model W246 B200 CDi and 143 MPH (Verified by Sat-Nav) on Autobahn and on non-stop return trip 797 Miles **14:14** hours Average 54 MPH [inc Ferry] and 50.4 MPG. Since then got a 2019 [W247] B200CDi with all the kit - absolutely amazing and so quiet most passengers think they are in an Electric Version - I kid you not, at 60mph in 8th Gear engine 1100 RPM totally silent, on a good road like floating on air - and have achieved 85.6 MPG over 108 Miles at Average Speed of 53 mph !*
@challengefatty6 күн бұрын
Always been a fan of MPVs over CUVs/SUVs
@GrrMeister6 күн бұрын
*Fact is Modern Diesels emit less CO2 (Euro 6) and have AdBlue Technology and enormous torque at low revs - love my B200 8 Speed AMG CDi [2019] with all the kit - 85.6 MPG over 108 Miles at Average Speed of 53 MPH and engine so quiet you can hear every word in songs playing from Multi-Media System - rarely seen over 2000 rpm and in Eco Mode if chosen can FreeWheel for Miles ! Hey Mercedes Take me home !*
@challengefatty6 күн бұрын
Thats Awesome! enjoy what you enjoy!
@GrrMeister6 күн бұрын
*I have a 2019 Mercedes W247 B200 CDi that I have achieved 85.6 MPG over 106 Miles, and the Emissions (Cleaned with additional Catalytic Convertors, and aided by AdBlue) to reduce Nitrous Oxide (NOx) is one of the new breed [Euro 6] and .08 Parts per Million. By 2025 Euro 7 even tougher EU7 limits due mid-decade - are impressively clean, with sufficient exhaust after-treatment built in to trap the nasties that give Diesel a bad name.*
@challengefatty6 күн бұрын
I thought you had an Elderly VW diesel?
@GrrMeister6 күн бұрын
*I am not for one minute disputing 'Climate Change/Global Warming' but would contest strongly that is is not caused by Humans, but a natural cycle that has occured over Millions of Years. Where I am sitting now [Midlands UK] a mere 12,000 Years ago was under ½ mile thick Ice Sheet. I kid you not Mammoth Lake nearby. All these **_Measures_** proposed to Halt or Reverse it are pathetic and will not make the slightest difference' The most stupid of all is halting what are now very efficient clean ICE Cars and replacing them with Dirty Electric that only the most wealthy can afford initially and have off road/Garage parking to enable them to recharge overnight (for a full recharge up to several days) Quite honestly I see this as a way to Tax the average person for the benefit of the wealthy who running an EV pay no Road Tax/Fuel Tax and even get a Government Grant when purchasing one. There is a £34 Billion Black Hole set to appear in the future and I dread the future for our Children/Grandchildren after the gigantic **-astronomical-** costs Covid19 has caused. Wait until 98% efficient Gas Boilers are prohibited and have to spend £15-20k on a Heat pump that is most **-useless-** inefficient in the Winter [cold] Months when little or no Solar Power and on a still day Zero Wind Power. Nuclear Fission may be the answer but until that time Quote "UK Government Advisor {Allegra Stratton} on Global Warming will continue using my elderly VW Diesel - say no more !*
@challengefatty6 күн бұрын
First of all, thanks for ALL the replies. Me and the Algorythm love that. But i think a lot of the point you've mentioned are slightly misleading. *There is no government grant to by and EV (apart from businesses including small businesses) *Gas boilers are NOT 98% efficient *Heat pumps don't cost 15-20k * In the winter months We produce enough electricity to export from Scotland, and Grid tied battery can and do solve the issue of making up for peaks/troughs in supply . *Fission is AGES away *The difference between the post ice age warming and whats happening now is the RATE of in temperature. Not going to deny stuff got a lot warmer and glaciers melted, but the records of how quickly temperature averages have increase in the last 100 of the 12,000 surely is alarming As always this is a 'What I'm doing' Channel, not a 'Do this' channel, If you want to keep using your VW diesel, crack on, I'm keeping mine (its a SEAT, but you know).
@WolvesInferno8 күн бұрын
Great video. I don't have a full EV, but I do have the next best thing. I currently have a 2013 Toyota Auris 1.8 Hybrid. I get between 65 to 76 mpg Highways and much more city. It's a much much cheaper car to run than my previous car which was a 1.6 VW Golf Highline Petrol. That car got 48 to 52 mpg. I do have a fairly light foot. Overall the Toyota has saved me a total of 800 to 900 a year in fuel. I'm thinking of getting either a Toyota Prius Plug-In or a 62 KW Nissan Leaf as a choice for my next car.
@ellisrochlin22679 күн бұрын
range and time charging along with charge costs is peeps immediate thoughts . The battery life overall is down the line the one that brings up the issue when outside of manufacturer warranty due to either high mileage or the warrantied years either a repair or having to replace it with a brand new ££££££ or a refurbed £££ which will have a smaller time warranty. I still feel for the domestic mkt ev is the best of all the evils as hydrogen got shelved by the car manufacturers
@ellisrochlin22679 күн бұрын
i took a ev on ( 0- 60 in 7 secs v previous ice car nearly10 secs) virtually 8 weeks old COST me 33% LESS THAN OUT THE SHOWROOM BRAND NEW , charge home costs are £15 per week against £ 40 -45 pw v my reasonably frugal ice engine i px ed to get the ev .No ev road tax is lost by new dearer car insurance. Quieter and smoother pick up appeals to me and family plus the large high tec screen with no lag and voice control to quite a good number of everyday operations without having to take drivers eyes off the road. As in sh--e value wont know till after 3 -4 yrs when i px
@warrensmith459011 күн бұрын
5:24 0.07 pence per mile without road duty. Is same as 0.15 pence per mile with Road Duty (and the 20% vat on Road Duty that we pay) So if you equalised the taxation charge. The real cost would be the same. And that equalisation of taxation is inevitable at some point soon.
@challengefatty11 күн бұрын
But vehicle exercise duty here in the UK for BEVs is £0 and in the course of fairness would then have to put vehicle exercise duty on to the diesel, which here in the UK is waaaaaaaaaay more(270/Yr first year, £190 second year onwards) So it would make it an even bigger gap.
@warrensmith459011 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty why are you talking about vehicle excise duty. Apart from the fact that this bribe is slowly being removed. I was talking about Fuel Duty. Which is £0.55 per litre approx plus VAT . So around 0.70 per litre of the diesel costs. So , as that taxation value decreases with Enforcement of a technology that is presently not considered by the public to be fit for purpose, then that taxation loss will be made up somewhere. It's already being clearly spelled out that all the cameras are for Road Charge by the mile. So EVs will in the end get the same taxation costs per mile as Petrol and Diesel vehicles.
@challengefatty11 күн бұрын
I get what you're saying, but we have to pay the tax on fuel in the same way I pay the tax on the electricity I use. most people can't remove the tax, so doing so wouldn't be representative.
@MR-vj8dn13 күн бұрын
I just went EV. I’ve never been interested in engines, oil and gear boxes. To me, combustions sound too much and never react as soon as I want them. Interesting video. Not sure I got the message of you went back to diesel though.
@challengefatty13 күн бұрын
Yeah, I needed to be clearer. It was a abit click baity, Its a work thing, the car I ordered was prioritised to a paying VW customer so I have to take one of the availble cars in stock and the closest thing to my request was this one
@MR-vj8dn13 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty Okay, I get it 👍🏻
@darrenhall780714 күн бұрын
Evs are mind numbingly boring to be in…it’s like a subversive form of Mind Control…no buttons to press, nothing to look at inside, nothing engine noise to listen to, anxiety over topping up……it doesn’t take Einstein to conclude that EV=MC2
@challengefatty14 күн бұрын
What? Seriously what?
@112boatman14 күн бұрын
My 1997 Discovery with 382000 miles still gets 500+ miles to a tank and costs £70 to fill up with biodiesel from a local farm
@challengefatty14 күн бұрын
Fair play, but that old girl has probably seen some sights!
@sushiginger44415 күн бұрын
I never need to fill up at motorway services because my car has a 750 mile range and diesel is easily available everywhere. Not comparable to an EV with perhaps 300 mile range when you don't know if there'll be a queue for the next charge point or they're out of order.
@challengefatty14 күн бұрын
I normally know whether charge points are down or busy because of the charge apps I use but I take your point. Things is 750miles is 10-11hrs of solid 70mph of cruising.... without a pee break! Jeeesuss
@sushiginger44414 күн бұрын
@@challengefattyit’s not compulsory to empty the tank in one sitting. 😊
@challengefatty14 күн бұрын
Exactly! that's why 750mile range is not mandatory I couldn't managed the 4-5hrs of my 300mile EV without need a coffee and a piss!
@matth820515 күн бұрын
The second I can buy an EV that I don’t have to drive or interact with other than select on an app where I want it to take me I’m in!! Oh and I also want wireless charging built into my drive so I don’t have to plug it in ! Cmon my phone has done that for years 😂
@fredflintstone115 күн бұрын
lets talk depreciation of EV's ???
@challengefatty15 күн бұрын
@fredflintstone1 and how it sucks.... but its an awesome thing for people getting into 2nd hand EVs
@sushiginger44415 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty there's a reason for that - nobody wants one. Too risky.
@challengefatty14 күн бұрын
I do
@MR-vj8dn13 күн бұрын
@@challengefattyMe too, just bought me one.
@graemejones970716 күн бұрын
Only an idiot can't see that EVs are not only totally inconvenient but cost a fortune more than diesels
@challengefatty15 күн бұрын
Except they're not, I've included the maths here and in other videos about how things can be cheaper. 2nd hand are at parity, day to day cost are cheaper. I think I need to do a video specifically on the costs though
@graemejones970714 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty I guess it depends how you do your Maths. EV prices are sky high, depreciation is ruinous, insurance is through the roof. You can make any stats sing any song you like. Without subsidy the gulf would be even more enormous. Everyone needs to take their personal situation into account. How much they put down, what payments are if they can't afford to buy outright. Down to the mile, penny for penny and no cheating!
@challengefatty14 күн бұрын
Cool, you're pretty much writing this for me! So different cars of different price ranges / different people and buying power / different mileages. Will do. I totally take your point and love the Term making a stats sing a song! But please appreciate that as much as some people will make them sing in favour of EVs , there maybe people out there with deeper pockets and vested interested who can make them sing a negative song just as easily
@graemejones970714 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty Absolutely! Confirmation bias is a mental illness sweeping the Western world. People will back a horse and stick with it no matter what. How about a sort of "matrix" of car users and options that runs out costs over say 3 and 5 years? That could be 20k+ miles sales rep, weekend traveller who likes a sports car/convertible, city/town users who want low costs of ownership and/or running costs A good analogy is solar panels. The idiots that think these pay forget that they could invest the same initial outlay in Bonds or dividend yielding stocks that would make a mockery of the ROI they think they are getting! It's a complicated calculation with may variables but perhaps it can be simplified by omitting secondary running costs and just looking at outlay, depreciation and fueling?
@marcgoesblindgaming207616 күн бұрын
Sounds like you had a wonderful weekend , Despite some technical issues, Especially that power steering, 11th and ninth not bad mate, Hopefully you'll be able to do it again the future, Also glad to hear your family had A great day out
@challengefatty16 күн бұрын
Thanks Mark, I had Amanda amazing time and really want to do another round ot just more racing in general! - but it's always best when I've got family there supporting a challenge no matter what the discipline 👍
@richardjohnson790022 күн бұрын
So the moral of the story is that...EV's are better than ICE! Love it!
@DonLee198022 күн бұрын
lol, all the people who are saying that it's cheaper to run a petrol/diesel car... maybe you're from the US of A. but fuel costs a lot in much of the world, as well as service and repairs, and of course we haven't spoken about environmental costs. Those who don't drive much, I get it, going electric doesn't make much difference, and it does cost a lot both to buy and environmentally up front. If you were to just say, I want a car that goes from A to B without much hastle and i don't care that I'm putting diesel fumes into the air, then live up to it. You can also say that electric cars will have higher depreciation rates because battery prices are going down. But I find it so funny is the ignorant people who can only come up with the reason of "it costs a lot to replace the battery" when battery replacements for electric cars are probably even more rare than ICE engine replacements and transmission replacements, which aren't exactly cheap either.
@sushiginger44415 күн бұрын
The surge in demand for EVs really only started around 2019-2020 so there aren't that many on the road yet and those that are, are mostly less than 4 years old. Let's revisit your comment about battery replacements being more rare than ICE engine replacements in another 4 years.
@challengefatty14 күн бұрын
Gladly
@andyr881222 күн бұрын
A petrol or diesel Tesla would be much more successful for Tesla.
@challengefatty22 күн бұрын
As someone in the industry who is non teslas biggest fan, I'd respectfully disagree
@CrIMeFiBeR23 күн бұрын
I had a kia EV, in terms of space and power more than i ever need, but i do long stints(120 km one way or more) but the tax benefits are decreasing and as a companycar i had costs of 300 euro a month (12%tax) but if i remain using the same car in 1,5 years that will be 500 euro a month. Looking at a diesel or PHEV for the next car, cause ice is 23% tax and EV is gonna be 22% tax.
@challengefatty23 күн бұрын
That sucks!
@paulsimpson899023 күн бұрын
75000km in my model 3 and easily the best car I have owned so far
@johnbravo754223 күн бұрын
🤔What will your fuel savings mean when you have to replace the battery at some point in the future that will cost you more than half the cost of the entire car when you bought it.
@challengefatty23 күн бұрын
Most EV batteries are outlasting the cars they're in, apart from the uncooled Leaf batteries, which can be easily opened and repaired by 3rd parties. Renault had to cancel a couple of project they set up for re-using batteries IF they degraded badly because...... so few were handed back. Also if the engine in a current ICE car dies, it can write off a car too as the dealership will want to replace like for like brand new engine direct from the OEM
@Jadder88z23 күн бұрын
The reason I don't have an EV is because it don't do pops, bangs, bwap bwap, braappppp like my BMW M4.
@challengefatty23 күн бұрын
Each to there own - enjoy what you enjoy!
@JelloTypeR9 күн бұрын
Have you had it mapped to be antisocial? The S58 in M3/4 is not a pleasant noise and a big reason I chose a W205 C63 over the M alternative. I need a V8 and the noise it makes in my life. I was gutted when BMW dropped the V8. I loved my E90 M3 competition, such a great car, precise, balanced and with an awesome engine.
@robinmcgowan133623 күн бұрын
Thousands of moving parts, compared to the tens of thousands of electrical connections in the humungous battery in the EV, I'll take the ICE vehicle thanks. Go watch a few video's showing thermal runaway and it might change your mind.
@challengefatty23 күн бұрын
you mean the interlocked connections that put the HV system to 0volts if broken, each with 2fault releases or the handful of bolted connections internal to the pack that are torque checked by smart tooling? Nobody ever seems to be worried about the big sloshing tank of explosive liquid under their kids seats thats taken to the glowing hot engine in pipes that age and decay. I mean watch a few car fire videos and it might change your mind
@robinmcgowan133623 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty I've seen plenty of ICE car fires all of which can be put out with water. Conversely these battery fires cannot, even a water bath cannot extinguish them. So how many diesel cars have exploded then? Not many in over a hundred years of use. Even the fire service is ill-equipped to deal with battery related fires. Just a matter of time before a family is trapped inside, when all the electrics fail so the doors won't open and the fire service cannot do anything but watch them burn.
@challengefatty23 күн бұрын
most regions around the world require all cars to have a mechanical door release, even the Teslas with their electric door buttons, have a mechanical release(they may not be well known, but they are there). Diesel does explode, it'd be a pretty sh*t fuel if it didn't! - I've been in a diesel fire in a car and trust me it took hold pretty quick. It may not have exploded but they go up quick Also EV fires can be put out with water and quickly using things like a Stingray. Yes, I'll admit that fire services need training and equipement updates, but they would for any new tech or change in tech.
@0305693223 күн бұрын
@@challengefattylithium batteries do runaway regardless of water submersion
@robinmcgowan133623 күн бұрын
@@challengefattyGood luck to you. If you are happy to potentially have your house burnt down or to take out a entire multi-storey car park more power to you. For the record diesel does not "explode" easily typically requiring compression and heat in order to do so. I think I'll avoid all the risks and not bother, I'm not really interested in owning a car that can accelerate out of control by itself or that isn't actually green for the planet until you driver over 100,000km.
@DestoRest23 күн бұрын
Sorry dudes. Real person here. In 5 years of my model 3, I’ve replaced….tires
@Kalire2123 күн бұрын
Give it 5-10 years and all those savings you'll need on a new battery pack they degrade slowly with every charge cycle, fuel tanks however do not shrink. We need some real long term tests if we are to figure out which is truly cheaper.
@challengefatty23 күн бұрын
Fuel tanks don't shrink, thats true, but engines become less and less efficient as the mileage racks up, so range does change. As for degredation, there are plenty of EV taxis that have been abused and rapid charged constantly and still have good range after 300+ thousand miles.
@DestoRest23 күн бұрын
@@Kalire21 you mean like someone else buying a new car? I’m at 100k miles and still fully chargeable battery. Supposedly good for 400k miles. We shall see.
@Shutityou15 күн бұрын
@@Kalire21I don’t have an ev but have to admit that the battery degradation horror stories are mostly mythical. Once you factor in dpf, Dmf, dsg and other horror failures the ev’s are way more reliable.
@DestoRest23 күн бұрын
Gone back to oil, oil changes, timing chains, transmission, transmission oil, o2, o2 sensors, fuel injectors, pistons, piston rods, valves, valve springs, gaskets, head gaskets, gasoline/ diesel. Yea. Makes sense.
@challengefatty23 күн бұрын
Exactly. For a fun car, where you get enjoyment from tinkering - fine. But for the most peoples daily drivers.... its insane isn't it
@dzonikg23 күн бұрын
I have diesel(opel insignia caravan 2.0) 2016 and for 8 years and 240 000 km except oil changes and and one time chain replace nothing else .I can drive 1100 km on highway speed (130 km/h) on one tank,on slower roads like set on 80 km/h adaptive cruise i can do 1500-1600 km on one tank! I have also 2003 diesel that still runs great and i use it to tow 1.5 ton 4 person caravan ,off course it has some maintenance (rebuild turbo) but nothing mayor EV are ok for second car but when you put on paper you will never get that money back ,not even remotely . Now with taxes on Chines EVs also gone that EVs will be any cheaper
@challengefatty23 күн бұрын
I think you are missing my point - yes you maybe able to go further on a tank. But I'm talking about cost per km. If it Costs you 12ct for every km you do in the Insignia, and an ev costs 6ct per km, it doesn't matter if you can do 1100 km in one go, because that 1100km will have cost 66euros more. Every oil change is what 50-70euros, every 15000 km, Timing Belt is 350euros? In 280,000km, and EV would save 16800euros in fuel, 900+350euros in oil changes and belts... so 18050 Euros saved. Thats quite a bit. I definitely take your point on towing though, there are few EVs that can tow 1+tons
@challengefatty23 күн бұрын
Also - I love Insignias!!! one of my favourite distance eaters!
@AndrewTSq22 күн бұрын
My commute car has gone 300000km and only things chainged are oil sparkplugs oilfilter airfilter and brakes. Not sure what ice car you drove thar needed all that lol
@colliswilliams899223 күн бұрын
I'd love to get a scrapped tesla, remove the battery, and figure out how to install a diesel motor to produce electricity for the electric motors. A diesel electric Tesla would be awesome!
@challengefatty23 күн бұрын
But why? 😋 Why have the massive energy loses and NVH issues of a diesel attached to an electric drive train? With all the work you'd have to do on find places to put the fuel tank, exhaust, as well as the power generation, buffer battery and inverters and time spent on calibration you might aswell juat buy a Passat!
@colliswilliams899222 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty I had to think about it for a minute. These are the best reasons I could come up with: 1)It would sound amazing 2)I'm a West Virginian 3)I could roll coal on rednecks with big diesel pickups Do you really have to use inverters if you generate AC directly?
@challengefatty22 күн бұрын
I mean, OK, those are reasons. Yes the inverters control the power going to the electric motor.
@plunder195623 күн бұрын
I'm retired now, at the time my annual mileage dropped drastically and it's still falling. I have experienced thousands of miles in my friend's Model 3 Tesla. If I could easily upgrade to an EV I would. But with my requirements it would only offer marginal benefits, with a very substantial investment. Perhaps one day, but not yet.
@challengefatty23 күн бұрын
Do you mind me asking what you currently drive?
@soso222223 күн бұрын
Go back to horse! And go back to a cave! 🤣
@AlzhinSon24 күн бұрын
I agree with you that electric cars are more relaxed overall, less noise, less vibrations but this video kinda comes off as you presenting EVs in the most favorable light possible, and looking for solutions to their downsides while not offering the same favor to ICE cars. - ICE cars that allow you to precondition the interior before you enter them exist - You can use gloves to avoid having the pump nozzle leaving the nasty diesel smell on your hands. I think a latex glove + maybe a scented wipe after throwing the glove away should keep your hand smelling very nice. - Waking up to a fully charged electric car at home is so nice only because it prevents you from having to go to a charging station which is a bigger hassle when compared to an ICE car. - Adding to the previous point, your audi doesn't seem very economical with only 45 mpg uk, added to the relatively small fuel tank it leads to not covering that many more miles than in your previous EV, another diesel might have made you feel that benefit more. - Speaking of clunks and whizzes and bangs, when you go over something in an ICE car and you hear a scrape or something hit, you wonder if your front bumper hasn't been scratched too badly and if your exhaust hasn't been damaged. When it happens in an electric car and you happen to be driving a Hyundai ioniq 5 in Canada, it might be the start of a series of events that leads to you receiving a $60 k (canadian) quote for replacing the scratched battery and your car eventually being written off.
@challengefatty24 күн бұрын
True, if I'd been given a more economic diesel things would be different. But I'd have to get a diesel to do 90-100mpg for it to match an EV cost wise and that was what I was trying to put across. Even if it had the optional 60litre tank or 80, whatever. the cost for each mile is double. The frequency of fill ups is not an issue for me, just how much it hurts my bank balance! That quote for the Ioniq 5 battery is insane considering the amount of impact testing batteries need they go through before they are homologated. It takes a heck of a lot more than the odd scrape to do anything to the meat&veg of a battery and make it 'sub-optimal' - I'd need to read more about it as it sounds sketchy.
@challengefatty14 күн бұрын
Follow up, yes the battery price is right... wow. I would also state that if you were to hit timber at highway speed in an Ice Car you can easily take out the oil pan and the gearbox casing which in a lot of modern cars can right them off too. As a factory fresh and trans, then labour at a main dealer is going to be ruinous.
@davidperry353114 күн бұрын
After 5 minutes of this video, I gave up waiting for the point.
@challengefatty14 күн бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, I'll try and make my conclusions a bit quicker👍
@GrrMeister6 күн бұрын
*You have not driven a Modern Euro 6 compliant Mercedes A or B Class !*
@Matp34524 күн бұрын
My 21 6 speed Kia forte got mid 40's mpg and was about $40 to fill (before Bidens prices kicked in) Absolutely no reason to buy some soulless EV trashbox. If my Kia was available in a diesel with the manual I absolutely would've went that route but the corrupt epa said we can't have them.
@challengefatty24 күн бұрын
God I wish I had US fuel prices - I miss them so much! The thing is after 25+ years of sh*tbox cars with 'character' I bought myself to commute in, the peace and quiet of a soulless EV trashbox was a game changer!!
@kylereese482224 күн бұрын
How much does it cost to charge a Tesla? Model X feature a 100 kWh battery pack as well. Same battery size, same price - $16.47 to fully charge your Model X from 0-100%. With a 100 kWh battery on the Model S at $0.14 per kWh, plus the 15% additional energy required due to inefficiency, it will cost approximately $16.47 to fully charge your Model S from 0-100%. EPA estimated range of 405 miles
@kylereese482224 күн бұрын
The details of this case stem from a video by the Fully Charged Show channel on KZread. He shockingly informs that the first battery swap he did was when his Model S did a jaw-dropping 666,666 km (~414,250 miles), What is even more interesting is the fact that he replaced the brake discs and pads at 460,000 km (~285,800 miles)
@somdusazerate24 күн бұрын
Is that you Joe?
@challengefatty24 күн бұрын
no?
@somdusazerate24 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty You look like Joe.
@challengefatty24 күн бұрын
you flatter me, he's much better looking and twice as humble
@somdusazerate24 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty He?
@somdusazerate23 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty Which Joe are you talking about?
@carl658924 күн бұрын
The reason I drive petrol is because there are no electric cars in my price category.
@challengefatty24 күн бұрын
valid and reasonable reason. If I didn't have this car thrrough work I'd probably still be driving one too
@kylereese482224 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty Fun fact.... if the MG EV5 was a diesel it would cost over £ 17 - 000 for 112-000 miles.... How big oil owns ICE owners bank accounts.
@sushiginger44415 күн бұрын
There's the Rolls Royce Spectre now....
@carl658914 күн бұрын
@@sushiginger444 I wonder if they accept a Volvo from 2005 witch I paid 3k for as a equal trade for a Rolls royce
@sushiginger44414 күн бұрын
@@carl6589if you go along and ask the salesman, please record it and post his reaction.
@AnnatarTheMaia24 күн бұрын
Good for you for going back to diesel, but no manual transmission? Coma.
@em575924 күн бұрын
What this all was about... You are having some serious chrisis or what.
@challengefatty24 күн бұрын
Steady on! I'm a bit down at the moment, but crisis is a stretch
@Mankdeems124 күн бұрын
ive never seen someone so unhappy about driving a brand new audi xD
@challengefatty24 күн бұрын
Imagine what I'd be like driving a citreon 😂 There are some personal issues I'm having at the moment which are probably tilting the balance too!
@Mankdeems123 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty I'd guess that for a lot of people, driving is more of a chore than anything else. Just try to enjoy the ride, you're still in a fantastic car!
@challengefatty23 күн бұрын
I do love the car, sorry that didn't come across - I am very VERY VEEEERY lucky to have it!
@GisRewentlow25 күн бұрын
nice video, but wrong camera position. try to place it a bit lower next time.
@challengefatty25 күн бұрын
Hi, Thats the official placement as requested by Motorsport UK. Sadly I don't get to pick or change it
@marcgoesblindgaming207626 күн бұрын
Wow what a ride And a great view through that window
@challengefatty26 күн бұрын
Hahaha glad it looks fun from the onboards! I wish the footage from Race One hadn't corrupted because I made a lot of places. But wish I'd been a bit more confident and just sent it!
@jcfallows2 ай бұрын
You can buy a 16amp granny charger for around £100 which gives 3.6 KW. AS LONG AS YOUR CIRCUIT IS BIG ENOUGH , IT'S A USEFUL SPEED IF YOU CAN'T FIT THE 7KW ONE.
@challengefatty2 ай бұрын
A couple of friends at work who live closer, but in rented houses have gone this route. Seems a good option.
@decimal18152 ай бұрын
I've been charging my 24kWh Leaf from a 3-pin socket for nearly a year now. Works fine. I need about 17 kWh to do a 50-mile round trip comfortably. We need more destination charging though.. would make life much easier for many people. Most people drive to a work / public car park, so it makes sense to slow-charge while the car is sat doing nothing all day. If it's cheap (e.g. 25p/kWh) it would make an EV a good choice for lots of commuters.
@challengefatty2 ай бұрын
Definitely! I endorse this message!!
@kenanderson85062 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info
@kenanderson85062 ай бұрын
How much does it cost at home
@challengefatty2 ай бұрын
Our flat rate is 26p/kWh, so the 111.6kWh used here would be about £29 in total
@challengefatty2 ай бұрын
Some electric ompanies do night rates as low as 6p/kWh = £6.70 for a full weeks commuting
@decimal18152 ай бұрын
On a normal (non-EV) tariff, I'm paying about 30p / kWh. That's approx. 10p per mile. If I move to an EV tariff, the price will go down to about 5p per mile.
@flybeep16612 ай бұрын
Over time in a less than a couple of decades or sooner every Tom, Dick, and Harry will be driving an EV and will want nothing else because the alternative will be expensive as hell to drive. Or do you perhaps think the black stuff coming out of the ground will be coming out endlessly? Car manufacturers who aren't doing EV's , while they still can and have the money for it, will be dead and gone by the time EV will become a necessity. People can all rant and complain however much they want, EV's will be a fact and there's nothing anyone can do about it. But I do sure hope I can drive my ICE car for as long as it is reasonable for my wallet.
@nodlimax2 ай бұрын
Something that often gets misrepresented when it comes down to discussions about EVs and criticism related to them is that people supposedly say "it's impossible to use them". This is not actually correct. It is possible but not actually sensible or convenient. Why would I want to deal with the hassle of searching for public charging stations which may be however far away from my home? I'd have to park the car there to charge it up and then move it again later or otherwise I might have to pay additional fees for blocking the charger. It's also more expensive to use these chargers making the point of owning an EV (to save money on fuel) redundant in the first place. So of course it can be done. The question is do I want to buy an EV with all the annoying aspects of the recharging? And the answer is no. It's like the Tesla debate about the Cybertruck where Musk claimed "They said it can't be done but we did it anyway". No one really said it couldn't be done though. Many just said it's stupid to build that thing. Anyway if you are happy with your EV then that's good for you. I hope it works well. I hope you can accept though that there will be lots of people though that want to stick with ICE cars as they definitely have advantages. I don't want to block EVs. Whoever wants to buy them should buy them. But ICE cars for the foreseeable future should remain as well until an actual better alternative is developed. EVs definitely are not the solution.
@challengefatty2 ай бұрын
Totally get it, I'll continue racing ICE cars for the foreseeable. But genuinely, I don't see the charging I did during this as annoying or an inconvenience. When I get to use my home charger or the one at work I'd say its waaaaaaaay more convenient than gas. Yes ICE has its pros and cons, so do EVs - but I'm a 100% with you on everyone should make there own choice on what's best for them 👍
@runeaanderaa68402 ай бұрын
Whenever I have used a fast charger, it has been very expensive. I set a timer for the car to slow charge at night when the electricity is cheapest. But otherwise, it would not be much more expensive to drive an ICE car.
@decimal18152 ай бұрын
Most of the rapid chargers near me are out of service. The nearest working charger is about 5 miles, so slow overnight charging is much better. I expect to see lots of lamp post charger conversions over the next couple of years. A steady 3kW charge for 8 hours would be more than enough for most people, me included.
@KingLutherQ2 ай бұрын
You should have just bought a Tesla. Tesla Superchargers are available everywhere. I have a 2020 model Y and my wife has a 2018 model 3. So, far everything is great. Cheaper than gas. No oil changes. No smog tests. Not much maintenance. We love our EVs. We will never go back to gas again - to us, a gas car is like driving a horse and wagon.
@challengefatty2 ай бұрын
Teslas are a good option, but sadly I can't pick one through my company scheme. I could use the superchargers, in fact if I'd needed a final top up on Thursday night in Manchester, I was going to go to the open superchargers near by.
@jorgeandrespalma21343 ай бұрын
I've had 2 EVs and lived in apartments with no private parking (street parking) and I successfully survived. The first one was a Hyundai. I lived about 15 mins from a charger that went up to 75KWh. I wasn't using the car much so a full charge would last me a week. I used to go at night to charge the car and either watch a movie, tv show or play some games while waiting for it to charge. Second one a Tesla. I lived 15 mins away from a Supercharger and this time I drove a lot for work, so I went twice a week for ~40 mins to get the range I needed. Some people might think it's very inconvenient to be worrying about chargers and ranges, I would say is just another way of looking at transportation and you get used to it. Rather than taking it as an additional chore, you must take it as an opportunity to do something else while you charge. Could be catching up on social media, a book, your me time, even while you grocery shop or eat.
@alunjones25503 ай бұрын
And how many people drive 286bhp company cars? EV's are always considerably more powerful than ICE equivalents. Quite frankly, for a £5 saving, I'd stick with ICE so I don't have to get up at 6am to charge my car and I can go 400 miles without any degree of range anxiety. EV technology is not yet where it needs to be, super charge electric prices are too expensive and many still force people into subscriptions to get reasonable charging rates which I think should be legislated against. You don't see dual-pricing for petrol/diesel and when I fill up my ICE car, For people who don't have any option other than commercial charging, I really don't see what advantage an EV has. The only way I'd possibly consider an EV is if it was a company car. By the way, I usually fill up my ICE car at Haydock island.
@challengefatty3 ай бұрын
Totally agree. The 6 am thing is just what time I have to go work anyway. But I get to finish earlier than most people. Swings and roundabouts 😉
@decimal18152 ай бұрын
If you've got a driveway or garage, you never need to use public chargers for a daily commute.
@alunjones25502 ай бұрын
@@decimal1815 Really! I didn't know that. I take it, you didn't properly read my original post.
@decimal18152 ай бұрын
@@alunjones2550 fair cop. I'd argue you're not considering the environmental impact of driving fossil car though. If you have chargers nearby is it really that much of a sacrifice? Guess it depends on how often you'd need to charge (how big your battery is)?
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I totally agree with the points you are making, especially the car cabin pre heating/cooling stuff - I get that. But the only thing keeping me in my 2nd hand (bombproof) VW Golf is the charging infrastructure on those longer (100 mile+) trips. Lovely Audi by the way.
Totally understand. Download the 'Chargefinder' app and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised how much infrastructure is out there. The e-Golf has a secret weapon too, because it only charges at around 50kW, you can use the older chargers which every one avoids and goes to the new shiny-shiny 150-350kW chargers!
I did Run 4 Life 10k Sunday and it's made me wanna go again so yesterday I signed up for Thursdays media city 10k 😊
I'll see you there!
@@challengefattybrilliant 🧡❤️
How did you do brother ?
I got dragged out on Date night instead 😞 How did you get on?
@@challengefatty not too bad mate got 52.06, I'm happy wi that only ran since April and it's my 3rd run 2nd in a week. Felt really flat all day was gonna back out myself. Was a great experience though I'll be back next time I need to eventually beat the 50 mark 🤞🏽
*Mercedes 'B' Class that can get 2 Mountain bikes in rear without dismantling them, and on a Ski Holiday at Saalbach [sadly 5 years ago] got 3 passengers and all luggage including Ski's in with 1/3 seat down. Model W246 B200 CDi and 143 MPH (Verified by Sat-Nav) on Autobahn and on non-stop return trip 797 Miles **14:14** hours Average 54 MPH [inc Ferry] and 50.4 MPG. Since then got a 2019 [W247] B200CDi with all the kit - absolutely amazing and so quiet most passengers think they are in an Electric Version - I kid you not, at 60mph in 8th Gear engine 1100 RPM totally silent, on a good road like floating on air - and have achieved 85.6 MPG over 108 Miles at Average Speed of 53 mph !*
Always been a fan of MPVs over CUVs/SUVs
*Fact is Modern Diesels emit less CO2 (Euro 6) and have AdBlue Technology and enormous torque at low revs - love my B200 8 Speed AMG CDi [2019] with all the kit - 85.6 MPG over 108 Miles at Average Speed of 53 MPH and engine so quiet you can hear every word in songs playing from Multi-Media System - rarely seen over 2000 rpm and in Eco Mode if chosen can FreeWheel for Miles ! Hey Mercedes Take me home !*
Thats Awesome! enjoy what you enjoy!
*I have a 2019 Mercedes W247 B200 CDi that I have achieved 85.6 MPG over 106 Miles, and the Emissions (Cleaned with additional Catalytic Convertors, and aided by AdBlue) to reduce Nitrous Oxide (NOx) is one of the new breed [Euro 6] and .08 Parts per Million. By 2025 Euro 7 even tougher EU7 limits due mid-decade - are impressively clean, with sufficient exhaust after-treatment built in to trap the nasties that give Diesel a bad name.*
I thought you had an Elderly VW diesel?
*I am not for one minute disputing 'Climate Change/Global Warming' but would contest strongly that is is not caused by Humans, but a natural cycle that has occured over Millions of Years. Where I am sitting now [Midlands UK] a mere 12,000 Years ago was under ½ mile thick Ice Sheet. I kid you not Mammoth Lake nearby. All these **_Measures_** proposed to Halt or Reverse it are pathetic and will not make the slightest difference' The most stupid of all is halting what are now very efficient clean ICE Cars and replacing them with Dirty Electric that only the most wealthy can afford initially and have off road/Garage parking to enable them to recharge overnight (for a full recharge up to several days) Quite honestly I see this as a way to Tax the average person for the benefit of the wealthy who running an EV pay no Road Tax/Fuel Tax and even get a Government Grant when purchasing one. There is a £34 Billion Black Hole set to appear in the future and I dread the future for our Children/Grandchildren after the gigantic **-astronomical-** costs Covid19 has caused. Wait until 98% efficient Gas Boilers are prohibited and have to spend £15-20k on a Heat pump that is most **-useless-** inefficient in the Winter [cold] Months when little or no Solar Power and on a still day Zero Wind Power. Nuclear Fission may be the answer but until that time Quote "UK Government Advisor {Allegra Stratton} on Global Warming will continue using my elderly VW Diesel - say no more !*
First of all, thanks for ALL the replies. Me and the Algorythm love that. But i think a lot of the point you've mentioned are slightly misleading. *There is no government grant to by and EV (apart from businesses including small businesses) *Gas boilers are NOT 98% efficient *Heat pumps don't cost 15-20k * In the winter months We produce enough electricity to export from Scotland, and Grid tied battery can and do solve the issue of making up for peaks/troughs in supply . *Fission is AGES away *The difference between the post ice age warming and whats happening now is the RATE of in temperature. Not going to deny stuff got a lot warmer and glaciers melted, but the records of how quickly temperature averages have increase in the last 100 of the 12,000 surely is alarming As always this is a 'What I'm doing' Channel, not a 'Do this' channel, If you want to keep using your VW diesel, crack on, I'm keeping mine (its a SEAT, but you know).
Great video. I don't have a full EV, but I do have the next best thing. I currently have a 2013 Toyota Auris 1.8 Hybrid. I get between 65 to 76 mpg Highways and much more city. It's a much much cheaper car to run than my previous car which was a 1.6 VW Golf Highline Petrol. That car got 48 to 52 mpg. I do have a fairly light foot. Overall the Toyota has saved me a total of 800 to 900 a year in fuel. I'm thinking of getting either a Toyota Prius Plug-In or a 62 KW Nissan Leaf as a choice for my next car.
range and time charging along with charge costs is peeps immediate thoughts . The battery life overall is down the line the one that brings up the issue when outside of manufacturer warranty due to either high mileage or the warrantied years either a repair or having to replace it with a brand new ££££££ or a refurbed £££ which will have a smaller time warranty. I still feel for the domestic mkt ev is the best of all the evils as hydrogen got shelved by the car manufacturers
i took a ev on ( 0- 60 in 7 secs v previous ice car nearly10 secs) virtually 8 weeks old COST me 33% LESS THAN OUT THE SHOWROOM BRAND NEW , charge home costs are £15 per week against £ 40 -45 pw v my reasonably frugal ice engine i px ed to get the ev .No ev road tax is lost by new dearer car insurance. Quieter and smoother pick up appeals to me and family plus the large high tec screen with no lag and voice control to quite a good number of everyday operations without having to take drivers eyes off the road. As in sh--e value wont know till after 3 -4 yrs when i px
5:24 0.07 pence per mile without road duty. Is same as 0.15 pence per mile with Road Duty (and the 20% vat on Road Duty that we pay) So if you equalised the taxation charge. The real cost would be the same. And that equalisation of taxation is inevitable at some point soon.
But vehicle exercise duty here in the UK for BEVs is £0 and in the course of fairness would then have to put vehicle exercise duty on to the diesel, which here in the UK is waaaaaaaaaay more(270/Yr first year, £190 second year onwards) So it would make it an even bigger gap.
@@challengefatty why are you talking about vehicle excise duty. Apart from the fact that this bribe is slowly being removed. I was talking about Fuel Duty. Which is £0.55 per litre approx plus VAT . So around 0.70 per litre of the diesel costs. So , as that taxation value decreases with Enforcement of a technology that is presently not considered by the public to be fit for purpose, then that taxation loss will be made up somewhere. It's already being clearly spelled out that all the cameras are for Road Charge by the mile. So EVs will in the end get the same taxation costs per mile as Petrol and Diesel vehicles.
I get what you're saying, but we have to pay the tax on fuel in the same way I pay the tax on the electricity I use. most people can't remove the tax, so doing so wouldn't be representative.
I just went EV. I’ve never been interested in engines, oil and gear boxes. To me, combustions sound too much and never react as soon as I want them. Interesting video. Not sure I got the message of you went back to diesel though.
Yeah, I needed to be clearer. It was a abit click baity, Its a work thing, the car I ordered was prioritised to a paying VW customer so I have to take one of the availble cars in stock and the closest thing to my request was this one
@@challengefatty Okay, I get it 👍🏻
Evs are mind numbingly boring to be in…it’s like a subversive form of Mind Control…no buttons to press, nothing to look at inside, nothing engine noise to listen to, anxiety over topping up……it doesn’t take Einstein to conclude that EV=MC2
What? Seriously what?
My 1997 Discovery with 382000 miles still gets 500+ miles to a tank and costs £70 to fill up with biodiesel from a local farm
Fair play, but that old girl has probably seen some sights!
I never need to fill up at motorway services because my car has a 750 mile range and diesel is easily available everywhere. Not comparable to an EV with perhaps 300 mile range when you don't know if there'll be a queue for the next charge point or they're out of order.
I normally know whether charge points are down or busy because of the charge apps I use but I take your point. Things is 750miles is 10-11hrs of solid 70mph of cruising.... without a pee break! Jeeesuss
@@challengefattyit’s not compulsory to empty the tank in one sitting. 😊
Exactly! that's why 750mile range is not mandatory I couldn't managed the 4-5hrs of my 300mile EV without need a coffee and a piss!
The second I can buy an EV that I don’t have to drive or interact with other than select on an app where I want it to take me I’m in!! Oh and I also want wireless charging built into my drive so I don’t have to plug it in ! Cmon my phone has done that for years 😂
lets talk depreciation of EV's ???
@fredflintstone1 and how it sucks.... but its an awesome thing for people getting into 2nd hand EVs
@@challengefatty there's a reason for that - nobody wants one. Too risky.
I do
@@challengefattyMe too, just bought me one.
Only an idiot can't see that EVs are not only totally inconvenient but cost a fortune more than diesels
Except they're not, I've included the maths here and in other videos about how things can be cheaper. 2nd hand are at parity, day to day cost are cheaper. I think I need to do a video specifically on the costs though
@@challengefatty I guess it depends how you do your Maths. EV prices are sky high, depreciation is ruinous, insurance is through the roof. You can make any stats sing any song you like. Without subsidy the gulf would be even more enormous. Everyone needs to take their personal situation into account. How much they put down, what payments are if they can't afford to buy outright. Down to the mile, penny for penny and no cheating!
Cool, you're pretty much writing this for me! So different cars of different price ranges / different people and buying power / different mileages. Will do. I totally take your point and love the Term making a stats sing a song! But please appreciate that as much as some people will make them sing in favour of EVs , there maybe people out there with deeper pockets and vested interested who can make them sing a negative song just as easily
@@challengefatty Absolutely! Confirmation bias is a mental illness sweeping the Western world. People will back a horse and stick with it no matter what. How about a sort of "matrix" of car users and options that runs out costs over say 3 and 5 years? That could be 20k+ miles sales rep, weekend traveller who likes a sports car/convertible, city/town users who want low costs of ownership and/or running costs A good analogy is solar panels. The idiots that think these pay forget that they could invest the same initial outlay in Bonds or dividend yielding stocks that would make a mockery of the ROI they think they are getting! It's a complicated calculation with may variables but perhaps it can be simplified by omitting secondary running costs and just looking at outlay, depreciation and fueling?
Sounds like you had a wonderful weekend , Despite some technical issues, Especially that power steering, 11th and ninth not bad mate, Hopefully you'll be able to do it again the future, Also glad to hear your family had A great day out
Thanks Mark, I had Amanda amazing time and really want to do another round ot just more racing in general! - but it's always best when I've got family there supporting a challenge no matter what the discipline 👍
So the moral of the story is that...EV's are better than ICE! Love it!
lol, all the people who are saying that it's cheaper to run a petrol/diesel car... maybe you're from the US of A. but fuel costs a lot in much of the world, as well as service and repairs, and of course we haven't spoken about environmental costs. Those who don't drive much, I get it, going electric doesn't make much difference, and it does cost a lot both to buy and environmentally up front. If you were to just say, I want a car that goes from A to B without much hastle and i don't care that I'm putting diesel fumes into the air, then live up to it. You can also say that electric cars will have higher depreciation rates because battery prices are going down. But I find it so funny is the ignorant people who can only come up with the reason of "it costs a lot to replace the battery" when battery replacements for electric cars are probably even more rare than ICE engine replacements and transmission replacements, which aren't exactly cheap either.
The surge in demand for EVs really only started around 2019-2020 so there aren't that many on the road yet and those that are, are mostly less than 4 years old. Let's revisit your comment about battery replacements being more rare than ICE engine replacements in another 4 years.
Gladly
A petrol or diesel Tesla would be much more successful for Tesla.
As someone in the industry who is non teslas biggest fan, I'd respectfully disagree
I had a kia EV, in terms of space and power more than i ever need, but i do long stints(120 km one way or more) but the tax benefits are decreasing and as a companycar i had costs of 300 euro a month (12%tax) but if i remain using the same car in 1,5 years that will be 500 euro a month. Looking at a diesel or PHEV for the next car, cause ice is 23% tax and EV is gonna be 22% tax.
That sucks!
75000km in my model 3 and easily the best car I have owned so far
🤔What will your fuel savings mean when you have to replace the battery at some point in the future that will cost you more than half the cost of the entire car when you bought it.
Most EV batteries are outlasting the cars they're in, apart from the uncooled Leaf batteries, which can be easily opened and repaired by 3rd parties. Renault had to cancel a couple of project they set up for re-using batteries IF they degraded badly because...... so few were handed back. Also if the engine in a current ICE car dies, it can write off a car too as the dealership will want to replace like for like brand new engine direct from the OEM
The reason I don't have an EV is because it don't do pops, bangs, bwap bwap, braappppp like my BMW M4.
Each to there own - enjoy what you enjoy!
Have you had it mapped to be antisocial? The S58 in M3/4 is not a pleasant noise and a big reason I chose a W205 C63 over the M alternative. I need a V8 and the noise it makes in my life. I was gutted when BMW dropped the V8. I loved my E90 M3 competition, such a great car, precise, balanced and with an awesome engine.
Thousands of moving parts, compared to the tens of thousands of electrical connections in the humungous battery in the EV, I'll take the ICE vehicle thanks. Go watch a few video's showing thermal runaway and it might change your mind.
you mean the interlocked connections that put the HV system to 0volts if broken, each with 2fault releases or the handful of bolted connections internal to the pack that are torque checked by smart tooling? Nobody ever seems to be worried about the big sloshing tank of explosive liquid under their kids seats thats taken to the glowing hot engine in pipes that age and decay. I mean watch a few car fire videos and it might change your mind
@@challengefatty I've seen plenty of ICE car fires all of which can be put out with water. Conversely these battery fires cannot, even a water bath cannot extinguish them. So how many diesel cars have exploded then? Not many in over a hundred years of use. Even the fire service is ill-equipped to deal with battery related fires. Just a matter of time before a family is trapped inside, when all the electrics fail so the doors won't open and the fire service cannot do anything but watch them burn.
most regions around the world require all cars to have a mechanical door release, even the Teslas with their electric door buttons, have a mechanical release(they may not be well known, but they are there). Diesel does explode, it'd be a pretty sh*t fuel if it didn't! - I've been in a diesel fire in a car and trust me it took hold pretty quick. It may not have exploded but they go up quick Also EV fires can be put out with water and quickly using things like a Stingray. Yes, I'll admit that fire services need training and equipement updates, but they would for any new tech or change in tech.
@@challengefattylithium batteries do runaway regardless of water submersion
@@challengefattyGood luck to you. If you are happy to potentially have your house burnt down or to take out a entire multi-storey car park more power to you. For the record diesel does not "explode" easily typically requiring compression and heat in order to do so. I think I'll avoid all the risks and not bother, I'm not really interested in owning a car that can accelerate out of control by itself or that isn't actually green for the planet until you driver over 100,000km.
Sorry dudes. Real person here. In 5 years of my model 3, I’ve replaced….tires
Give it 5-10 years and all those savings you'll need on a new battery pack they degrade slowly with every charge cycle, fuel tanks however do not shrink. We need some real long term tests if we are to figure out which is truly cheaper.
Fuel tanks don't shrink, thats true, but engines become less and less efficient as the mileage racks up, so range does change. As for degredation, there are plenty of EV taxis that have been abused and rapid charged constantly and still have good range after 300+ thousand miles.
@@Kalire21 you mean like someone else buying a new car? I’m at 100k miles and still fully chargeable battery. Supposedly good for 400k miles. We shall see.
@@Kalire21I don’t have an ev but have to admit that the battery degradation horror stories are mostly mythical. Once you factor in dpf, Dmf, dsg and other horror failures the ev’s are way more reliable.
Gone back to oil, oil changes, timing chains, transmission, transmission oil, o2, o2 sensors, fuel injectors, pistons, piston rods, valves, valve springs, gaskets, head gaskets, gasoline/ diesel. Yea. Makes sense.
Exactly. For a fun car, where you get enjoyment from tinkering - fine. But for the most peoples daily drivers.... its insane isn't it
I have diesel(opel insignia caravan 2.0) 2016 and for 8 years and 240 000 km except oil changes and and one time chain replace nothing else .I can drive 1100 km on highway speed (130 km/h) on one tank,on slower roads like set on 80 km/h adaptive cruise i can do 1500-1600 km on one tank! I have also 2003 diesel that still runs great and i use it to tow 1.5 ton 4 person caravan ,off course it has some maintenance (rebuild turbo) but nothing mayor EV are ok for second car but when you put on paper you will never get that money back ,not even remotely . Now with taxes on Chines EVs also gone that EVs will be any cheaper
I think you are missing my point - yes you maybe able to go further on a tank. But I'm talking about cost per km. If it Costs you 12ct for every km you do in the Insignia, and an ev costs 6ct per km, it doesn't matter if you can do 1100 km in one go, because that 1100km will have cost 66euros more. Every oil change is what 50-70euros, every 15000 km, Timing Belt is 350euros? In 280,000km, and EV would save 16800euros in fuel, 900+350euros in oil changes and belts... so 18050 Euros saved. Thats quite a bit. I definitely take your point on towing though, there are few EVs that can tow 1+tons
Also - I love Insignias!!! one of my favourite distance eaters!
My commute car has gone 300000km and only things chainged are oil sparkplugs oilfilter airfilter and brakes. Not sure what ice car you drove thar needed all that lol
I'd love to get a scrapped tesla, remove the battery, and figure out how to install a diesel motor to produce electricity for the electric motors. A diesel electric Tesla would be awesome!
But why? 😋 Why have the massive energy loses and NVH issues of a diesel attached to an electric drive train? With all the work you'd have to do on find places to put the fuel tank, exhaust, as well as the power generation, buffer battery and inverters and time spent on calibration you might aswell juat buy a Passat!
@@challengefatty I had to think about it for a minute. These are the best reasons I could come up with: 1)It would sound amazing 2)I'm a West Virginian 3)I could roll coal on rednecks with big diesel pickups Do you really have to use inverters if you generate AC directly?
I mean, OK, those are reasons. Yes the inverters control the power going to the electric motor.
I'm retired now, at the time my annual mileage dropped drastically and it's still falling. I have experienced thousands of miles in my friend's Model 3 Tesla. If I could easily upgrade to an EV I would. But with my requirements it would only offer marginal benefits, with a very substantial investment. Perhaps one day, but not yet.
Do you mind me asking what you currently drive?
Go back to horse! And go back to a cave! 🤣
I agree with you that electric cars are more relaxed overall, less noise, less vibrations but this video kinda comes off as you presenting EVs in the most favorable light possible, and looking for solutions to their downsides while not offering the same favor to ICE cars. - ICE cars that allow you to precondition the interior before you enter them exist - You can use gloves to avoid having the pump nozzle leaving the nasty diesel smell on your hands. I think a latex glove + maybe a scented wipe after throwing the glove away should keep your hand smelling very nice. - Waking up to a fully charged electric car at home is so nice only because it prevents you from having to go to a charging station which is a bigger hassle when compared to an ICE car. - Adding to the previous point, your audi doesn't seem very economical with only 45 mpg uk, added to the relatively small fuel tank it leads to not covering that many more miles than in your previous EV, another diesel might have made you feel that benefit more. - Speaking of clunks and whizzes and bangs, when you go over something in an ICE car and you hear a scrape or something hit, you wonder if your front bumper hasn't been scratched too badly and if your exhaust hasn't been damaged. When it happens in an electric car and you happen to be driving a Hyundai ioniq 5 in Canada, it might be the start of a series of events that leads to you receiving a $60 k (canadian) quote for replacing the scratched battery and your car eventually being written off.
True, if I'd been given a more economic diesel things would be different. But I'd have to get a diesel to do 90-100mpg for it to match an EV cost wise and that was what I was trying to put across. Even if it had the optional 60litre tank or 80, whatever. the cost for each mile is double. The frequency of fill ups is not an issue for me, just how much it hurts my bank balance! That quote for the Ioniq 5 battery is insane considering the amount of impact testing batteries need they go through before they are homologated. It takes a heck of a lot more than the odd scrape to do anything to the meat&veg of a battery and make it 'sub-optimal' - I'd need to read more about it as it sounds sketchy.
Follow up, yes the battery price is right... wow. I would also state that if you were to hit timber at highway speed in an Ice Car you can easily take out the oil pan and the gearbox casing which in a lot of modern cars can right them off too. As a factory fresh and trans, then labour at a main dealer is going to be ruinous.
After 5 minutes of this video, I gave up waiting for the point.
Thanks for the feedback, I'll try and make my conclusions a bit quicker👍
*You have not driven a Modern Euro 6 compliant Mercedes A or B Class !*
My 21 6 speed Kia forte got mid 40's mpg and was about $40 to fill (before Bidens prices kicked in) Absolutely no reason to buy some soulless EV trashbox. If my Kia was available in a diesel with the manual I absolutely would've went that route but the corrupt epa said we can't have them.
God I wish I had US fuel prices - I miss them so much! The thing is after 25+ years of sh*tbox cars with 'character' I bought myself to commute in, the peace and quiet of a soulless EV trashbox was a game changer!!
How much does it cost to charge a Tesla? Model X feature a 100 kWh battery pack as well. Same battery size, same price - $16.47 to fully charge your Model X from 0-100%. With a 100 kWh battery on the Model S at $0.14 per kWh, plus the 15% additional energy required due to inefficiency, it will cost approximately $16.47 to fully charge your Model S from 0-100%. EPA estimated range of 405 miles
The details of this case stem from a video by the Fully Charged Show channel on KZread. He shockingly informs that the first battery swap he did was when his Model S did a jaw-dropping 666,666 km (~414,250 miles), What is even more interesting is the fact that he replaced the brake discs and pads at 460,000 km (~285,800 miles)
Is that you Joe?
no?
@@challengefatty You look like Joe.
you flatter me, he's much better looking and twice as humble
@@challengefatty He?
@@challengefatty Which Joe are you talking about?
The reason I drive petrol is because there are no electric cars in my price category.
valid and reasonable reason. If I didn't have this car thrrough work I'd probably still be driving one too
@@challengefatty Fun fact.... if the MG EV5 was a diesel it would cost over £ 17 - 000 for 112-000 miles.... How big oil owns ICE owners bank accounts.
There's the Rolls Royce Spectre now....
@@sushiginger444 I wonder if they accept a Volvo from 2005 witch I paid 3k for as a equal trade for a Rolls royce
@@carl6589if you go along and ask the salesman, please record it and post his reaction.
Good for you for going back to diesel, but no manual transmission? Coma.
What this all was about... You are having some serious chrisis or what.
Steady on! I'm a bit down at the moment, but crisis is a stretch
ive never seen someone so unhappy about driving a brand new audi xD
Imagine what I'd be like driving a citreon 😂 There are some personal issues I'm having at the moment which are probably tilting the balance too!
@@challengefatty I'd guess that for a lot of people, driving is more of a chore than anything else. Just try to enjoy the ride, you're still in a fantastic car!
I do love the car, sorry that didn't come across - I am very VERY VEEEERY lucky to have it!
nice video, but wrong camera position. try to place it a bit lower next time.
Hi, Thats the official placement as requested by Motorsport UK. Sadly I don't get to pick or change it
Wow what a ride And a great view through that window
Hahaha glad it looks fun from the onboards! I wish the footage from Race One hadn't corrupted because I made a lot of places. But wish I'd been a bit more confident and just sent it!
You can buy a 16amp granny charger for around £100 which gives 3.6 KW. AS LONG AS YOUR CIRCUIT IS BIG ENOUGH , IT'S A USEFUL SPEED IF YOU CAN'T FIT THE 7KW ONE.
A couple of friends at work who live closer, but in rented houses have gone this route. Seems a good option.
I've been charging my 24kWh Leaf from a 3-pin socket for nearly a year now. Works fine. I need about 17 kWh to do a 50-mile round trip comfortably. We need more destination charging though.. would make life much easier for many people. Most people drive to a work / public car park, so it makes sense to slow-charge while the car is sat doing nothing all day. If it's cheap (e.g. 25p/kWh) it would make an EV a good choice for lots of commuters.
Definitely! I endorse this message!!
Thanks for the info
How much does it cost at home
Our flat rate is 26p/kWh, so the 111.6kWh used here would be about £29 in total
Some electric ompanies do night rates as low as 6p/kWh = £6.70 for a full weeks commuting
On a normal (non-EV) tariff, I'm paying about 30p / kWh. That's approx. 10p per mile. If I move to an EV tariff, the price will go down to about 5p per mile.
Over time in a less than a couple of decades or sooner every Tom, Dick, and Harry will be driving an EV and will want nothing else because the alternative will be expensive as hell to drive. Or do you perhaps think the black stuff coming out of the ground will be coming out endlessly? Car manufacturers who aren't doing EV's , while they still can and have the money for it, will be dead and gone by the time EV will become a necessity. People can all rant and complain however much they want, EV's will be a fact and there's nothing anyone can do about it. But I do sure hope I can drive my ICE car for as long as it is reasonable for my wallet.
Something that often gets misrepresented when it comes down to discussions about EVs and criticism related to them is that people supposedly say "it's impossible to use them". This is not actually correct. It is possible but not actually sensible or convenient. Why would I want to deal with the hassle of searching for public charging stations which may be however far away from my home? I'd have to park the car there to charge it up and then move it again later or otherwise I might have to pay additional fees for blocking the charger. It's also more expensive to use these chargers making the point of owning an EV (to save money on fuel) redundant in the first place. So of course it can be done. The question is do I want to buy an EV with all the annoying aspects of the recharging? And the answer is no. It's like the Tesla debate about the Cybertruck where Musk claimed "They said it can't be done but we did it anyway". No one really said it couldn't be done though. Many just said it's stupid to build that thing. Anyway if you are happy with your EV then that's good for you. I hope it works well. I hope you can accept though that there will be lots of people though that want to stick with ICE cars as they definitely have advantages. I don't want to block EVs. Whoever wants to buy them should buy them. But ICE cars for the foreseeable future should remain as well until an actual better alternative is developed. EVs definitely are not the solution.
Totally get it, I'll continue racing ICE cars for the foreseeable. But genuinely, I don't see the charging I did during this as annoying or an inconvenience. When I get to use my home charger or the one at work I'd say its waaaaaaaay more convenient than gas. Yes ICE has its pros and cons, so do EVs - but I'm a 100% with you on everyone should make there own choice on what's best for them 👍
Whenever I have used a fast charger, it has been very expensive. I set a timer for the car to slow charge at night when the electricity is cheapest. But otherwise, it would not be much more expensive to drive an ICE car.
Most of the rapid chargers near me are out of service. The nearest working charger is about 5 miles, so slow overnight charging is much better. I expect to see lots of lamp post charger conversions over the next couple of years. A steady 3kW charge for 8 hours would be more than enough for most people, me included.
You should have just bought a Tesla. Tesla Superchargers are available everywhere. I have a 2020 model Y and my wife has a 2018 model 3. So, far everything is great. Cheaper than gas. No oil changes. No smog tests. Not much maintenance. We love our EVs. We will never go back to gas again - to us, a gas car is like driving a horse and wagon.
Teslas are a good option, but sadly I can't pick one through my company scheme. I could use the superchargers, in fact if I'd needed a final top up on Thursday night in Manchester, I was going to go to the open superchargers near by.
I've had 2 EVs and lived in apartments with no private parking (street parking) and I successfully survived. The first one was a Hyundai. I lived about 15 mins from a charger that went up to 75KWh. I wasn't using the car much so a full charge would last me a week. I used to go at night to charge the car and either watch a movie, tv show or play some games while waiting for it to charge. Second one a Tesla. I lived 15 mins away from a Supercharger and this time I drove a lot for work, so I went twice a week for ~40 mins to get the range I needed. Some people might think it's very inconvenient to be worrying about chargers and ranges, I would say is just another way of looking at transportation and you get used to it. Rather than taking it as an additional chore, you must take it as an opportunity to do something else while you charge. Could be catching up on social media, a book, your me time, even while you grocery shop or eat.
And how many people drive 286bhp company cars? EV's are always considerably more powerful than ICE equivalents. Quite frankly, for a £5 saving, I'd stick with ICE so I don't have to get up at 6am to charge my car and I can go 400 miles without any degree of range anxiety. EV technology is not yet where it needs to be, super charge electric prices are too expensive and many still force people into subscriptions to get reasonable charging rates which I think should be legislated against. You don't see dual-pricing for petrol/diesel and when I fill up my ICE car, For people who don't have any option other than commercial charging, I really don't see what advantage an EV has. The only way I'd possibly consider an EV is if it was a company car. By the way, I usually fill up my ICE car at Haydock island.
Totally agree. The 6 am thing is just what time I have to go work anyway. But I get to finish earlier than most people. Swings and roundabouts 😉
If you've got a driveway or garage, you never need to use public chargers for a daily commute.
@@decimal1815 Really! I didn't know that. I take it, you didn't properly read my original post.
@@alunjones2550 fair cop. I'd argue you're not considering the environmental impact of driving fossil car though. If you have chargers nearby is it really that much of a sacrifice? Guess it depends on how often you'd need to charge (how big your battery is)?