I've been interested in the 1607 flood for many years. A great watch, thank you. Simon seemed a bit rushed for time at the end, would have been happy to listen to him talk for another hour!
@JPWick7 күн бұрын
Is it just me, or does Rory resemble Lawrence?
@iansenior154912 күн бұрын
As a Harrison College old boy - good to see!
@uvenaptyltdsangweni970523 күн бұрын
He was the real founder of uMkhonto Wesizwe not Mandela and the Ironically Seme warned Lembede about Mandela and Sisulu and somehow he Passed away in 1947😢
@poplarboydavid2 ай бұрын
Perhaps Lawrence didn’t feel personally judged by the Arabs, felt comfortable in the company of Arab men, felt comfortable outside the confines of British social and cultural norms. He could be a free spirit and allow his deep emotions to have expression. I’ve not read about or researched his life, so I’m simply imagining and going on what I’ve heard. I’m curious why Rory didn’t once touch on Lawrence most basic drives - his sexuality. He was attracted to the same sex. Arabia at that time would have been a place where such same sex encounters would have been much more the norm and part of the culture.
@phillipsugwas2 ай бұрын
Power makes possible idiosyncratic behaviour. The Empire was monolithic power - or at least its officials were encouraged to believe that and supported each other through their behaviour showing adherence to that?
@aquibhayat90752 ай бұрын
In fact, no one liked.
@markbradley23672 ай бұрын
Rory could never lead any current political party. He's far too decent a human being. Fascinating lecture.
@christinepaige25752 ай бұрын
I have to think that Lawrence would (probably without stating it outright) have been contemptuous of certain aspects of "the Bloomsbury set". Such things as a couple of its members getting "conscientious objector" status during WWI because they had money or connections to those that did.
@markwakelam16002 ай бұрын
Brings back wonderful memories, 1972-1975.
@barbaraarndt52932 ай бұрын
Sadly Rory was also damaged in a Public School, called Eaton. Just like Cameron and Johnson.
@madlabane3 ай бұрын
But John Dube wasn't his friend but his uncle 🤦🏾♂️
@edward69024 ай бұрын
13:39 which young man in that photo of lawrence brothers is t. e. lawrence? the eldest? 15:36 two blokes in blazers … which one is lawrence?
@charlieweatherburn36954 ай бұрын
Felix smells
@charlieweatherburn36954 ай бұрын
Very infromative, the perspicacity of this video really shone. I hope to go to conneticut to study gender studies. Elizabeth's virginity really makes her a girlboss and a true queen. I am a polysexual, holographic, pterodactyl, half wolf. I hope Brendan responds to me he's very interseting bloke love him to bits xoxo
Am Kenyan who learned about Pixley today As i was listening to PLO Luminda Pan African speech
@sonsofthesilentage9944 ай бұрын
Rory Stewart is a good boy, but no matter his boys own travels in the footsteps of John Nicholson and such, Rory doesn't have the cojones to call out the corruption within his kind.
@sarahbarrett62694 ай бұрын
I'm a big admirer of RS and his deeply intelligent approach gives me hope that we can do better.
@user-kb5fi1hm3u4 ай бұрын
Excellent presentation. Again, Rory delivers.
@julianholman73794 ай бұрын
from the point of view of ongoing generations of woe in the middle east that have resulted from the destruction of the Ottoman empire , TE Lawrence's heroism feels so awfully wasted , in service ultimately to the liberation only of Oil
@julianholman73794 ай бұрын
a propos 'freedom for the arabs', what would have been the nature of arab unfreedom within the Ottoman empire ?
@ravenshireful4 ай бұрын
Imagine coming back to hear how they faun over you,?
@markbaker50804 ай бұрын
Florence on Lawrence
@AndyJarman5 ай бұрын
Something that speaks volumes to me about T E Lawrence is that as a boy he slept in a box. He was never really a part of his parent's culture, he would always be an imposter, someone who's always going to be an outsider.
@bonniesomedy13395 ай бұрын
That bit about how Edwardian women can get what they want by pretending their husband thought of it = can't say it's changed all that much!
@jamesgibson21795 ай бұрын
As a professional in architectural conservation and having worked as such in the Middle East, I would like RS to give a lecture on the projects and work of Turquoise Mountain in Afghanistan particularly the cultural, aesthetic and technical approaches to architectural conservation in Kabul (e.g. restoration vs minimal conservation of original fabric) This is a very interesting and important subject. (I am not an alumni of Jesus College)
@davidvita5 ай бұрын
Roy shalom, thank you very much for this absolutely fantastic sharing. sincerely. david
@melikkoca9015 ай бұрын
I simply love this man and admire him a lot.
@Manitsrainghard5 ай бұрын
Rory Stewart is a clever, well read, erudite and intelligent man. But like many of his class and background he has a blind spot, and is unable to see that his perspectives and interpretations of the past are flawed and will always be flawed. It is a flaw in the English character of that class and the values they hold that is unable to see at their heart and soul is a form of duplicitousness and essential untrustworthiness. (This is true of all peoples but especially shines in this group). St John Philby, Gertrude Bell, John Bagot Glubb, A K S Lamton, Robert Zaehner… and many more sowed the seeds of the current upheavals. The quote from Saint-Just “The present order is the disorder of the future.” describes what they did, and holds true for our present day. To deal with flaw in their character, they create a mythic view of history which denies a responsibility for the past. This is often quoted from the Seven Pillars of Wisdom "The Cabinet raised the Arabs to fight for us by definite promises of self government afterwards… So I had to join the conspiracy and for what my word was worth assured the men of their reward. In our two years’ partnership under fire they grew accustomed to believing me and to think my Government, like myself sincere instead of being proud of what we did together I was continually and bitterly ashamed. It was evident from the beginning that if we had won the war these promises would be dead paper, and had I been an honest advisor of the Arabs I would have advised them to go home and not risk their lives fighting for such stuff…
@seangalbraith52865 ай бұрын
If he had become Prime Minister I would have voted for a Conservative MP for the first time in my life. An intelligent a man of dignity. We need him now more than ever to stabilise government
@Tc-ih8zj5 ай бұрын
I was at a T.E. Lawrence exhibit at Magdalene College's old library (August 2023), which notes his presence at & as an alumnus of that college? Did he therefore study at two Oxford colleges -- Jesus and Magdalene?.... Oh yes at 15.04 min, R. Stewart did note Lawrence "moved from Jesus to Magdalene" (perhaps for a graduate degree)
@paulingersoll48915 ай бұрын
I was a fan. I’m now a huge fan.
@teresajohnson52655 ай бұрын
Rory you are a very wonderful brain and spirit. We need you surrounded by others like you, then, back to politics, PLEASE!!!
@r5u26d35 ай бұрын
Rory is happier being a commentator. He is not slippery enough to be a politician but he could contribute to political life by developing ideas to improve Britain. Ideas about nationhood, family, getting the right balance been public and private systems to produce goods and services. Ideas and principles about individual responsibility, our duty towards others etc etc. I think this is where his heart is.
@elinstar60346 ай бұрын
Bloody Richard Aldington... my best friend at school wrote a magnificent 'Baldingtonization' of me once. We used to skip off from school to read up on Lawrence at the Imperial War reading room 😊
@janeoconnor57646 ай бұрын
Eloquent. Fluid. Golden thread. Nice work.
@johnmcgrath61926 ай бұрын
An important influence on Elizabeth I was Miler Magrath, Protestant Archbishop of Cashel. As native Irish as you could get, a favorite of the Pope when he was still Catholic. She often spent hours consulting with him. And when he was denounced by other Protestant bishops and summoned to London he came back with more favors from her. Magrath was one of his most impactful of her advisors on Ireland. I would urge anyone to read a book about him. An interesting side show was the imprisonment of Richard Craig, Catholic Archbishop of Armagh. She thought he was conspiring with O'Neill when in reality he despised O'Neill and was in favor of accepting Elizabeth as the legitimate monarch of Ireland. Even Walsingham thought him innocent of disloyalty but could not convince Elizabeth of Craig's innocence and loyalty. Imprisoned in the Tower, Craig developed a reputation as a saint, even by Protestants.
@rileyhowcutt4 ай бұрын
agreed
@rogerhudson97326 ай бұрын
Palestine: Lawrence advising the Arabs, Meinetzhagen advising the Jews, very British.
@rogerhudson97326 ай бұрын
The best explanation of Lawrence I've ever heard or read. Rory Stewart is very thoughtful, we need his intelligence in Britain.
@davidredshaw4486 ай бұрын
I don't understand how Eton College can on the one hand produce people like Rory Stewart and on the other people like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg and David Cameron.
@dasglasperlenspiel106 ай бұрын
Good talk! As an American, I would like to think that one of our politicians could appear so erudite and persuasive. Of course, I can't.
@kathrynclarke7816 ай бұрын
You've explained it well, but I've never read in any of the books about Lawrence any suggestion that he was "flaky" so that came as a surprise. But you failed to mention that he twice changed his name to keep as far away from the limelight as possible after the War..and the name Lawrence.
@alansharp15286 ай бұрын
Thankyou Rory, and all of the team, for an excellent video presentation. In the words of the great man Winston . Rory....K. B.O.
@philipmulville82186 ай бұрын
Rory Stewart is an astonishingly talented individual. His use of the English language is exquisite - I particularly enjoyed his observation that T. E. Lawrence ‘had a great genius for friendship’. Beautifully expressed. I think Rory is very hard on himself - ‘failure’ is not a word I would associate with him or with his distinguished career to date. I was also struck by the wise advice of T. E. Lawrence on working with Arabs, which remains just as relevant today. Thank you Jesus College Alumni for producing this talk.
@russellwillmoth97346 ай бұрын
Very interesting but it excludes part of Lawrence’s motivations: his sexuality. In the UK at that time his sexual interests would have led him into serious trouble, (then as now),whereas in Arabia he could indulge his peccadillos freely.
@ianjames30786 ай бұрын
I find it almost impossible to find things that can hold my attention. This was a very rare success watched and listened to without interruption or rewind. Thanks for sharing.
@ShineNoelA4 ай бұрын
Ditto. I am reading The Seven Pillars of Wisdom and needed some objective commentary to put it in context. Rory Stewart's analysis is respectful of the myth without being in thrall to it.
@btjmrpАй бұрын
Doesn't it break your heart how we can only see his brilliance after we've rejected him.
@richardricks57346 ай бұрын
Prof Bosworth has written many works on Fascist Italy and Mussolini and I have enjoyed them all. One of the most inciteful and interesting is his biography of Claretta Petacci and the extent of influence she had over Mussolini, particularly in his later years. To me, Mussolini is an infinitely more interesting individual than Hitler as he is subject to the weaknesses of the human condition and the influences they bring..
@ardeladimwit6 ай бұрын
so Burnes is possibly the model of "Kim" other than Kipling playing on himself. Kim didn't have to be of mixed cultural parentage, just somebody who resembled a shadow that flitted in and out between two cultural antagonistic powers with great perspicacity. Kipling saw himself as a social misfit whether at school, India, New England, etc. It's blatantly obvious because although he might write of British soldiers/ colonists as subjects; they are the subject of criticism, incompetence and usually inflicting misery on others-- even the Mongoose Rikki-Tikki and the misplaced expat American muskrat in India, are bigger heroes in defeating the dangerous Nag/ Nagaina than the imperialist colonial defender of the family. I think for Lawrence as with Kipling, writing is the camera which sees the immense backdrop of on which the drama of history is played. The same criticism lodged at Lawrence for being a liar can be directed at any modern news organization because the viewer forgets or is oblivious to the intention, the editing, the selection, sponsorship, producer, etc... perhaps Lawrence could be more easily compared to Tacitus in trying to weave the tapestry of history for us to see. If Lawrence was keen observer of architecture and cultural influences, he looks for the bones and details of things that most observers would not see.
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I've been interested in the 1607 flood for many years. A great watch, thank you. Simon seemed a bit rushed for time at the end, would have been happy to listen to him talk for another hour!
Is it just me, or does Rory resemble Lawrence?
As a Harrison College old boy - good to see!
He was the real founder of uMkhonto Wesizwe not Mandela and the Ironically Seme warned Lembede about Mandela and Sisulu and somehow he Passed away in 1947😢
Perhaps Lawrence didn’t feel personally judged by the Arabs, felt comfortable in the company of Arab men, felt comfortable outside the confines of British social and cultural norms. He could be a free spirit and allow his deep emotions to have expression. I’ve not read about or researched his life, so I’m simply imagining and going on what I’ve heard. I’m curious why Rory didn’t once touch on Lawrence most basic drives - his sexuality. He was attracted to the same sex. Arabia at that time would have been a place where such same sex encounters would have been much more the norm and part of the culture.
Power makes possible idiosyncratic behaviour. The Empire was monolithic power - or at least its officials were encouraged to believe that and supported each other through their behaviour showing adherence to that?
In fact, no one liked.
Rory could never lead any current political party. He's far too decent a human being. Fascinating lecture.
I have to think that Lawrence would (probably without stating it outright) have been contemptuous of certain aspects of "the Bloomsbury set". Such things as a couple of its members getting "conscientious objector" status during WWI because they had money or connections to those that did.
Brings back wonderful memories, 1972-1975.
Sadly Rory was also damaged in a Public School, called Eaton. Just like Cameron and Johnson.
But John Dube wasn't his friend but his uncle 🤦🏾♂️
13:39 which young man in that photo of lawrence brothers is t. e. lawrence? the eldest? 15:36 two blokes in blazers … which one is lawrence?
Felix smells
Very infromative, the perspicacity of this video really shone. I hope to go to conneticut to study gender studies. Elizabeth's virginity really makes her a girlboss and a true queen. I am a polysexual, holographic, pterodactyl, half wolf. I hope Brendan responds to me he's very interseting bloke love him to bits xoxo
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Am Kenyan who learned about Pixley today As i was listening to PLO Luminda Pan African speech
Rory Stewart is a good boy, but no matter his boys own travels in the footsteps of John Nicholson and such, Rory doesn't have the cojones to call out the corruption within his kind.
I'm a big admirer of RS and his deeply intelligent approach gives me hope that we can do better.
Excellent presentation. Again, Rory delivers.
from the point of view of ongoing generations of woe in the middle east that have resulted from the destruction of the Ottoman empire , TE Lawrence's heroism feels so awfully wasted , in service ultimately to the liberation only of Oil
a propos 'freedom for the arabs', what would have been the nature of arab unfreedom within the Ottoman empire ?
Imagine coming back to hear how they faun over you,?
Florence on Lawrence
Something that speaks volumes to me about T E Lawrence is that as a boy he slept in a box. He was never really a part of his parent's culture, he would always be an imposter, someone who's always going to be an outsider.
That bit about how Edwardian women can get what they want by pretending their husband thought of it = can't say it's changed all that much!
As a professional in architectural conservation and having worked as such in the Middle East, I would like RS to give a lecture on the projects and work of Turquoise Mountain in Afghanistan particularly the cultural, aesthetic and technical approaches to architectural conservation in Kabul (e.g. restoration vs minimal conservation of original fabric) This is a very interesting and important subject. (I am not an alumni of Jesus College)
Roy shalom, thank you very much for this absolutely fantastic sharing. sincerely. david
I simply love this man and admire him a lot.
Rory Stewart is a clever, well read, erudite and intelligent man. But like many of his class and background he has a blind spot, and is unable to see that his perspectives and interpretations of the past are flawed and will always be flawed. It is a flaw in the English character of that class and the values they hold that is unable to see at their heart and soul is a form of duplicitousness and essential untrustworthiness. (This is true of all peoples but especially shines in this group). St John Philby, Gertrude Bell, John Bagot Glubb, A K S Lamton, Robert Zaehner… and many more sowed the seeds of the current upheavals. The quote from Saint-Just “The present order is the disorder of the future.” describes what they did, and holds true for our present day. To deal with flaw in their character, they create a mythic view of history which denies a responsibility for the past. This is often quoted from the Seven Pillars of Wisdom "The Cabinet raised the Arabs to fight for us by definite promises of self government afterwards… So I had to join the conspiracy and for what my word was worth assured the men of their reward. In our two years’ partnership under fire they grew accustomed to believing me and to think my Government, like myself sincere instead of being proud of what we did together I was continually and bitterly ashamed. It was evident from the beginning that if we had won the war these promises would be dead paper, and had I been an honest advisor of the Arabs I would have advised them to go home and not risk their lives fighting for such stuff…
If he had become Prime Minister I would have voted for a Conservative MP for the first time in my life. An intelligent a man of dignity. We need him now more than ever to stabilise government
I was at a T.E. Lawrence exhibit at Magdalene College's old library (August 2023), which notes his presence at & as an alumnus of that college? Did he therefore study at two Oxford colleges -- Jesus and Magdalene?.... Oh yes at 15.04 min, R. Stewart did note Lawrence "moved from Jesus to Magdalene" (perhaps for a graduate degree)
I was a fan. I’m now a huge fan.
Rory you are a very wonderful brain and spirit. We need you surrounded by others like you, then, back to politics, PLEASE!!!
Rory is happier being a commentator. He is not slippery enough to be a politician but he could contribute to political life by developing ideas to improve Britain. Ideas about nationhood, family, getting the right balance been public and private systems to produce goods and services. Ideas and principles about individual responsibility, our duty towards others etc etc. I think this is where his heart is.
Bloody Richard Aldington... my best friend at school wrote a magnificent 'Baldingtonization' of me once. We used to skip off from school to read up on Lawrence at the Imperial War reading room 😊
Eloquent. Fluid. Golden thread. Nice work.
An important influence on Elizabeth I was Miler Magrath, Protestant Archbishop of Cashel. As native Irish as you could get, a favorite of the Pope when he was still Catholic. She often spent hours consulting with him. And when he was denounced by other Protestant bishops and summoned to London he came back with more favors from her. Magrath was one of his most impactful of her advisors on Ireland. I would urge anyone to read a book about him. An interesting side show was the imprisonment of Richard Craig, Catholic Archbishop of Armagh. She thought he was conspiring with O'Neill when in reality he despised O'Neill and was in favor of accepting Elizabeth as the legitimate monarch of Ireland. Even Walsingham thought him innocent of disloyalty but could not convince Elizabeth of Craig's innocence and loyalty. Imprisoned in the Tower, Craig developed a reputation as a saint, even by Protestants.
agreed
Palestine: Lawrence advising the Arabs, Meinetzhagen advising the Jews, very British.
The best explanation of Lawrence I've ever heard or read. Rory Stewart is very thoughtful, we need his intelligence in Britain.
I don't understand how Eton College can on the one hand produce people like Rory Stewart and on the other people like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg and David Cameron.
Good talk! As an American, I would like to think that one of our politicians could appear so erudite and persuasive. Of course, I can't.
You've explained it well, but I've never read in any of the books about Lawrence any suggestion that he was "flaky" so that came as a surprise. But you failed to mention that he twice changed his name to keep as far away from the limelight as possible after the War..and the name Lawrence.
Thankyou Rory, and all of the team, for an excellent video presentation. In the words of the great man Winston . Rory....K. B.O.
Rory Stewart is an astonishingly talented individual. His use of the English language is exquisite - I particularly enjoyed his observation that T. E. Lawrence ‘had a great genius for friendship’. Beautifully expressed. I think Rory is very hard on himself - ‘failure’ is not a word I would associate with him or with his distinguished career to date. I was also struck by the wise advice of T. E. Lawrence on working with Arabs, which remains just as relevant today. Thank you Jesus College Alumni for producing this talk.
Very interesting but it excludes part of Lawrence’s motivations: his sexuality. In the UK at that time his sexual interests would have led him into serious trouble, (then as now),whereas in Arabia he could indulge his peccadillos freely.
I find it almost impossible to find things that can hold my attention. This was a very rare success watched and listened to without interruption or rewind. Thanks for sharing.
Ditto. I am reading The Seven Pillars of Wisdom and needed some objective commentary to put it in context. Rory Stewart's analysis is respectful of the myth without being in thrall to it.
Doesn't it break your heart how we can only see his brilliance after we've rejected him.
Prof Bosworth has written many works on Fascist Italy and Mussolini and I have enjoyed them all. One of the most inciteful and interesting is his biography of Claretta Petacci and the extent of influence she had over Mussolini, particularly in his later years. To me, Mussolini is an infinitely more interesting individual than Hitler as he is subject to the weaknesses of the human condition and the influences they bring..
so Burnes is possibly the model of "Kim" other than Kipling playing on himself. Kim didn't have to be of mixed cultural parentage, just somebody who resembled a shadow that flitted in and out between two cultural antagonistic powers with great perspicacity. Kipling saw himself as a social misfit whether at school, India, New England, etc. It's blatantly obvious because although he might write of British soldiers/ colonists as subjects; they are the subject of criticism, incompetence and usually inflicting misery on others-- even the Mongoose Rikki-Tikki and the misplaced expat American muskrat in India, are bigger heroes in defeating the dangerous Nag/ Nagaina than the imperialist colonial defender of the family. I think for Lawrence as with Kipling, writing is the camera which sees the immense backdrop of on which the drama of history is played. The same criticism lodged at Lawrence for being a liar can be directed at any modern news organization because the viewer forgets or is oblivious to the intention, the editing, the selection, sponsorship, producer, etc... perhaps Lawrence could be more easily compared to Tacitus in trying to weave the tapestry of history for us to see. If Lawrence was keen observer of architecture and cultural influences, he looks for the bones and details of things that most observers would not see.