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  @dusanss3919 күн бұрын

  It's a big treasure to the music and art in common

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  @user-yo5ju4pd3l26 күн бұрын

  全然ダメじゃんｗ　お話お話にもならないｗ

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  @magaloff1Ай бұрын

  So refreshing!

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  @RamiroBrandanАй бұрын

  9:10 cadenza

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  @albertocantoni50642 ай бұрын

  Nel 1950 è stato un concerto emozionante, oggi è emozionante solo il ricordo e l’ammirazione per tale coraggio.

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  @pandamanchi3 ай бұрын

  It sounds like Romantic music to me.

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  @bernabefernandeztouceda73153 ай бұрын

  That's the point

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  @JuanMartinexplacerez-mw3we5 ай бұрын

  Brillante interpretación .

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  @jamesabdu34406 ай бұрын

  I first listened to the horrible intonation in the first movement cadenza, and thought he had lost it at 73. Then I heard how out of tune his violin while tuning before the second movement (he played on open gut strings). Amazing that most of the first movement was in tune... true talent to do that

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  @MrKlemps5 ай бұрын

  Thibaut had been a great artist, especially in the trio with Cortot and Casals. And though I much admire great wrong-note artists like Schnabel, Cortot, and post-1945 Szigeti, Thibaud's performance does not have the depth of conception that those artists (and very late Casals) brought to the table that made their technical vagaries relatively inconsequential. Listening to thus performance was saddening. Deleting it would be respectful to Thibaud's legacy.

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  @stephanoszwi98977 ай бұрын

  I`ve never heard this piece in that way. So gloomy, so sad. An inner world, that great Furtwägler unfolds towards us. Even sadness about the war, the situation of his beloved fatherland? Who knows? There are comments of him, hints, in the very last years, in writings and speeches, that he had the feeling that Germany and Europe are going to be destroyed, and the bond with the tradition, with art as a whole, is being torn on purpose.

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  @polonaise8 ай бұрын

  9:10

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  @renaudpontier9 ай бұрын

  Cet enregistrement a une valeur historique, mis l'interprétation elle même est très décevante; trop lente, un peu lourde, manquant terriblement de vivacité. Heureusement Furtwängler s'est largement rattrapé dans les symphonies de LVB.

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  @francescaemc2 Жыл бұрын

  grazie di cuore

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  @samgoodyear9793 Жыл бұрын

  Bach done with real emotion, meaning, beauty, and musicality. It's fantastic, eye opening stuff.

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  @albrechtkhuen3039 Жыл бұрын

  Furtwängler bringt die Seele der Kadenz zum Vorschein. Einfach meisterhaft.

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  @murotake6427 Жыл бұрын

  8:33からの1楽章ラストはストコフスキーさんにしかできない技。癖にならずにはいられない。

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  @mehranmazloom2354 Жыл бұрын

  Sometimes soul needs to rest, stop by the road and watch the whole crowd, regardless of anything correct or incorrect. In other words, needs pure joy. this is one of the moment

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  @alirezagholamian469 Жыл бұрын

  Surface

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  @berndwang2756 Жыл бұрын

  This is way too heavy, the cadenza way too slow. I have tried my best to appreciate this rendition but every time it fails. With such a tempo the character of the cadenza is completely distorted. As for the style he played in a too manneristic way, and the bass notes near the cadenza's end sound like hiccups of an old man -- I give it to the bad recording for that, to be fair. I am not a purist, I appreciate many Bach interpretations of old masters' -- Furtwaengler's 1930 recording of the Brandenburg 3 is magical, he reinvented the structure and exploited the rhythmic diversity of the first movement like no one else has done. But this recording lacks that creativity. It lacks the flair that you can feel in Cortot's EMI recording.

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  @francescaemc2 Жыл бұрын

  Wow, some of these comments! A bit of respect for Maestro Furtwangler. He conducted this and played the piano. Perhaps some of you could do it faster.

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  @user-tu1qw7nh1j Жыл бұрын

  ピアノが通奏低音やるブランデンブルグのレコードならミュンシュボストン響しか持ってなくてそれ以外に重々しいバロック演奏を求めていた私にとどめを刺したこの演奏www古楽に疲れた方向け？

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  @Mui-ve8uj5 күн бұрын

  グールドの演奏はお嫌いですか？ 他にピアノで弾いている演奏家はペライアさんがいますね、軽い演奏で重厚ではないですが…

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  @pablojlascano8322 Жыл бұрын

  Thank you youtube for implementing x 1.5 playback speed...

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  @pablojlascano8322 Жыл бұрын

  still horrible, but at least it doesn't sound like a psycho-acoustics experiment on how much you can isolate musical events until a human brain cannot follow a melodic line any longer...

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  @matteogiorgetti858 Жыл бұрын

  Curati

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  @pablojlascano83222 ай бұрын

  @@matteogiorgetti858 Ehi, non hai più voluto seguire un dittatore senza nemmeno pensarci, tu che hai inventato tante orribili ideologie? Ah, no, continuano allo stesso modo, ripetendo come pappagalli senza senso critico quello che gli viene servito da bambini... ah ah. Che bello essere nato nel nuovo mondo, dove essere un idiota senza personalità è disapprovato.

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  @Deivydzzz2 жыл бұрын

  why is this not a video?

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  @wannabecat3698 ай бұрын

  Presumably they couldn't afford a camera in 1953.

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  @Deivydzzz8 ай бұрын

  @@wannabecat369 kzread.info/dash/bejne/nqp9r6OAdZbIppc.html 1936?

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  @derwanderer18422 жыл бұрын

  Da ist wirklich grausig. Als würde mir einer ein Gedicht nicht vortragen, sondern buchstabieren. »E - de - el - Leerzeichen - es - e - i - Leerzeichen - de - e - er - Leerzeichen - em - e - en - es - zeh...« und so weiter. Im besten Falle kann sowas als Dada-Veranstaltung durchgehen. Übrigens ist das keine Frage der Epoche. Es ist keineswegs so, dass zu jener Zeit alle diese Musik so monströs genommen haben. (Aber es wurde ja auch nicht überall so monströs gebaut wie in jenen tausend Jahren, zu denen Furtwängler die passende Musik geliefert hat.)

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  @laidonerlain4 ай бұрын

  Es ist ja vollkommen legitim diese Ansicht zu vertreten und wahrscheinlich historisch durchaus korrekt. Furtwänglers gesamtes Musizieren hier aber implizit als nationalsozialistisch geprägt und größenwahnsinnig abzutun und generell auf derart primitive Kategorisierungen zurückzugreifen, ist schlichtweg ärmlich, geschmacklos, klitternd und grundsätzlich vollkommen verfehlt. Dass diesem großen Künstler selbst 70 Jahre nach seinem Ableben weiterhin ungerechtfertigterweise das Nazi-Stigma aufgeprägt werden soll, ist wirklich kaum zu fassen.

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  @vijinanadu19622 жыл бұрын

  Thibaud將Brahms小提琴協奏曲拉成巴哈小提琴無伴奏，重新感受Brahms

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  @francescaemc22 жыл бұрын

  grazie

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  @k.saki19632 жыл бұрын

  全盛期程は弾けなくなっていますけれども、だからこそ達する枯淡の偉大な芸術と思います。このコルトーの来日公演を聴けた方は羨ましいですが、日本でレコーディングを残してくれただけでも良かったです。

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  @discurio2 жыл бұрын

  His last concerto recording. He dead on 1 September, 1953.

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  @joelkatz87292 жыл бұрын

  Like Callas even when his execution is flawed his musical intentions are peerless

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  @MrRuplenas2 жыл бұрын

  Although the early music crowd has to a large extent sucked the joy and life out of pre-Romantic music, this recording is Exhibit A in the case for why they came about in the first place. What an abomination!!!!!

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  @VivaRenata Жыл бұрын

  Get yourself a hearing aid, and while you're at it, get yourself a brain as well.

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  @pablojlascano8322 Жыл бұрын

  A very fine comment, that is the sad truth. It is horrible the way they played before the "early music" revolution, but they rebelled only to become a new dogma on how to play that music (a bit like the pigs in Orwell's farm), that is resistant to further examination, with certain players revered as gods... So all in all, we have to be grateful that we can now listen to this music at least with somewhat the right colors, still there is a lot that remains to be done, and with the bunch of thick-skulls that are now the establishment of "early music", any change will be much resisted.

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  @henrykszeryng59003 жыл бұрын

  He was 73 when recording this

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  @yicantong22993 жыл бұрын

  Maestro .. I feel his angry ,and confidence

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  @pablojlascano83223 жыл бұрын

  And the moral of the story is: playing music way too slow is bad for your hair.

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  @claranimmer73493 жыл бұрын

  It might also be very good for your hair. He would have lost all of it without this music. Hair is not that important. This is just to cheer you up in case you loose your hair later in life. 🥨 You might wonder now why I am sending you a brezel. Its good luck.

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  @camaysar2223 жыл бұрын

  For those who think this is too slow, imagine you are a visitor in Furtwängler's world. Open yourself to a foreign culture.

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  @claranimmer73493 жыл бұрын

  I love this tempo. Some conductors rush through Bach as if it were a time race. There are limits to the speed of certain instruments they used. Harpsicord can be very fast, but the violonist had to tighten the bow with his fingers while playing.

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  @pablojlascano8322 Жыл бұрын

  @@claranimmer7349 You say a foreign culture,... I would say a decayed culture, Europe is on a steep decline if you compare what it was capable of in the XVII - XVIII centuries to XX or XXI. Bach's music deserves to be played sooooo much better than this. Let me focus on one aspect only: the rhythm. A culture of dancers as was that of Bach, in which people felt the rhythm very deeply, had been destroyed. And this sort of rhythmic blandness is only possible for people that don't feel rhythm with their bodies, that have a disjointed body - soul relationship.

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  @claranimmer7349 Жыл бұрын

  @@pablojlascano8322 I said nothing about a foreign culture. Nobody witnessed how this music was played.

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  @wannabecat369 Жыл бұрын

  @@pablojlascano8322 Perhaps true, but Furtwangler indeed feels this rhythm very well! Even better than a lot of historically informed performers. If you object to the dynamic, tempo, articulation or instrumentation; I will accept all of those as fair points of argument, but to say that this performance lacks a sense of rhythm is problematic.

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  @pablojlascano8322 Жыл бұрын

  @@wannabecat369 I just had a conversation with a Caribbean born percussionist who started studying at one of Europe's top conservatories, he couldn't believe the total lack of basic rhythmic skills of both the fellow students, and the professors... and that is at the "percussion" department, imagine strings etc... They cannot play convincingly even a passage with some slight syncopation. Reminds me of a story they use to tell, about people living on a plane field not believing someone who told them the world was in 3d. This performance lives in 2d musical world where the rhythmic dimension doesn't exist...

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  @yolainesene86913 жыл бұрын

  Thank you

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  @yolainesene86913 жыл бұрын

  Thank you

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  @Georges70343 жыл бұрын

  Casals c est autre chose une classe supérieure.

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  @noshirm62852 жыл бұрын

  D’accord! 👌🏻

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  @AllEliteTed3 жыл бұрын

  In 2020, I am listening to Leopold Stokowski conduct the Philadelphia Orchestra from 1934. The New World Symphony is my favorite work ever written. As a lover of history and music, listening to this recording may be the most joyous I have felt all year.

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  @pablojlascano83223 жыл бұрын

  How can you play that beautiful music so damn slow that you completely ruin it... I thought Bach's music was bulletproof, but this guy absolutely murdered it...

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  @TheStockwell3 жыл бұрын

  Because seventy years ago Bach was performed differently by virtually everyone. It was a different century, you know. 🐧

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  @VivaRenata Жыл бұрын

  No, he brings it back to life. Bach with a human soul, not generated by a computer on out-of-tune "authentic" instruments.

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  @pablojlascano8322 Жыл бұрын

  @@VivaRenata That people can also murder Bach on period instruments, you don't need to tell me. But this tempo is just ridiculous. BTW, I have listened to Bach played badly by "specialists" and the bunch who hates them, and in general specialists do a far better job.

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  @pablojlascano8322 Жыл бұрын

  @@VivaRenata I have the feeling people playing with gut strings have better pitch accuracy than the "modern" violinist with shrill metal strings using a vibrato that oscillates a whole-tone. But I don't really care about that, what I hate about how classical music (meaning Western art music) is played nowadays is the horrible, horrible rhythmic accuracy, or rather lack thereof. Classical musicians have in general a great sense of pitch, melody, etc., but they are in kindergarten in terms of rhythmic accuracy, if you compare to musical cultures in which rhythm is put to the fore.

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  @pablojlascano8322 Жыл бұрын

  @@VivaRenata And last, you might despise the idea of using "authentic" instruments as you put it, and I am far from being dogmatic about the so called "authentic" things, because I know then only too well to defend them. But one thing is undeniable, the right instruments create the right harmonics, for which the music was composed, and you can ONLY understand it fully if you do so. I have played Bach on piano and harpsichord, and I can tell you, Bach sounds so dull on the piano, all the harmonics are missing, and dissonances sound far less poignant. The amazing thing about Bach's music is that it is still great even badly played on bad instruments, so if you want the watered-down version of his music, where dissonances don't sound even half as powerful, feel free to keep on listening to that... I remember first time I played the pieces I learned on the piano on the harpsichord I felt as if changing from and old BW tv to full color.

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  @johnadams28334 жыл бұрын

  Goin' home Goin' home I'm a goin' home... Quiet like, some still day I'm just goin' home. It's not far Just close by Through an open door Work all done, care laid by Goin' to grieve no more. Mother's there, 'spectin' me Father's waitin' there… Quiet like, some still day I'm just goin' home.

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  @vincenzocaggiano30274 жыл бұрын

  Semplicemente stupendo.

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  @goodmanmusica4 жыл бұрын

  Cadenza is incredible, Great Furtwangler!

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  @lordspongebobofhousesquare16164 жыл бұрын

  Nowadays Bach performance without period instruments and urtext tempos are often looked down on. This recording was from a different time

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  @pablojlascano83223 жыл бұрын

  Well, there are no "urtext" tempi, but even a 5 year old will notice the tempo of the first movement isn't right... how can you play it so slow, that the four sixteenth note groups begin to sound like a whole bar...

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  @hostlangr3 жыл бұрын

  @@pablojlascano8322, great Furtwängler. Absolutely legitimate. See also Kirsten Flagstad "im Abendrot". TBkPPCsjqZI

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  @agustinusbravy5401 Жыл бұрын

  ​@@pablojlascano8322 I think it's just nice to hear people play things differently. No need to adhere to the score all the time

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  @pablojlascano8322 Жыл бұрын

  @@agustinusbravy5401 I couldn't agree any more with the "adhere to the score" part, but it is a whole different matter here. First of all, there are no "urtext" bpm markings (apparently someone did record exact tempi for Lully opera pieces but the information got lost anyways). It is not that I am defending a purist point of view, it is just that playing this even slower than a practice tempo doesn't make any sense. Do whatever you want with the music, but it has to work, a tempo that disrupts the musical discourse doesn't do justice to this great piece.

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  @user-rm2bp8ts8e4 жыл бұрын

  洋阿相　 ネットを徘徊していると本当に思わぬ掘り出し物に出会います。私が通学していた高校には市内高校随一の大きなレコード棚がありまして、分厚いSPのアルバムがぎっしり並んでおりました。毬栗頭の悪童達が吹奏楽や合唱の部活が終わった後夕暮れ迫る教室で見回りの守衛さんに追い出されるまでレコードを鑑賞したものです。忘れられないアルバムの一つが「ストコの新世界」アメリカ先住民酋長のポートレートが浮き彫りになっていたアルバム。涙が出るくらい懐かしい。雑音皆無のリメイク有難うございました。（1936年生まれ）

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  @AndrewEdwardsFlute4 жыл бұрын

  麻生浩 あなたはブラスバンドで学校に行くのが最も幸運でした。 オーケストラもありましたか？

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  @Velissiotisnikosvyahoocom4 жыл бұрын

  concerto in memoria per Toscanini.... Favoloso.... che era morto il 16.1.1957.....

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  @user-im7yk8pu8r4 жыл бұрын

  イイねえ！ ワルターとマーラースクールが、トスカニーニスクールと 融合してる。 師匠の葬式でワルターさん。 どんな演奏したの。

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  @user-fu7zf4ck9z4 жыл бұрын

  This is honestly awful

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  @geiryvindeskeland72084 жыл бұрын

  Zane, give the listeners an explanation, tell us why this is awful, thank you.

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  @user-fu7zf4ck9z4 жыл бұрын

  geir øyvind eskeland it's played waaay too slowly

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  @guillaume.pirard4 жыл бұрын

  @@user-fu7zf4ck9z If you have the time and desire, read the essay "the pastness of the present and the presence of the past" by Richard Taruskin, it brings up this interpretation in a context that might make your listening of this interpretation go from repulsed to curious. It did so with me. Cheers.

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  @user-fu7zf4ck9z4 жыл бұрын

  Guillaume Pirard thank you, i hope you're right

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  @pablojlascano83223 жыл бұрын

  You passed the test, congratulations

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  @bonapona22514 жыл бұрын

  I don't think you can necessarily assert that the tempo is too slow. Surely this is not historically correct, but does music always have to be played historically correct? I don't think so. “The birth of the reader must be at the cost of the death of the Author.”

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  @geiryvindeskeland72084 жыл бұрын

  Bona Pona, I am sorry for my inadequate English. "NEVER too slow." If you are talking about your own taste, it is ok. But if you are talking about this performance in a historical context, you are not right.

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  @bonapona22514 жыл бұрын

  @@geiryvindeskeland7208 My point is that he grasped the essence of the music of J.S.Bach.

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  @sionedwards18544 жыл бұрын

  I'm sorry but there is no actual historical basis for playing this faster. We cannot know the composers intentions. Faster recordings of this piece come as a result of a modernist aesthetic and historical accuracy has very little if anything to do with it. I actually prefer these faster recordings on period instruments. But to claim that these performances are more accurate to Bach's intentions was is unfounded.

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  @geiryvindeskeland72084 жыл бұрын

  Sion Edwards, interesting comment. What about "tempo ordinario"? You make the statement that tempo ordinario is not any guide to get closer to "right" tempi? About the first movement in this performance: I am tempted to believe that if there wasn't any harpsichord part, the pace would be faster. Furtwangler prove that he struggling in the cadenza. At 12.02, the demisemiquavers is like semiquavers. But suddently, at 12.42, he play the rest of the cadenza closer to the pace from the beginning of the cadenza.

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  @bonapona22514 жыл бұрын

  @@geiryvindeskeland7208 @Sion Edwards I'm sorry for my poor English. My thoughts are similar to those of Roland Barthes. So it's better to read his text than my poor English. e.g. "The Death of the Author"

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  @user-rm2bp8ts8e4 жыл бұрын

  洋阿相 何ということだ！この録音が私の生まれる1年も前だったとは。1950年台の録音と聞いても驚きはしないのに。私が音楽に溺れかかる高校時代、市内で最も多くのクラシックSPを所蔵していた大きなレコード棚にヒッシュとミューラーの組み合わせで「冬の旅」のアルバムがあって「菩提樹」だの「辻音楽士」などを選んで対訳と照らし合わせながら聞いたものでした。針雑音に埋もれた聞きなれないドイツ語を。デジタル処理でリメイクしたとはいえ何と美しいドイツ語なのでしょう。子音がとても良く聞き取れるのですから。信じられない！

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  @user-ys2tt1jk8k4 жыл бұрын

  Solo 9:10

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  @jupiterlegrand48175 жыл бұрын

  The greatest sound ever created by man on earth was the Philadelphia Orchestra under the direction of Leopold Stokowski. We shall never hear the like of it again.

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  @stefanrauch89335 жыл бұрын

  Heavenly!! Overwhelming beautiful! I really can´t say if I heard Dvoraks masterpiece ever better! So much thanks for posting this rousing, thrilling and stunning performance!