Have you ever looked at the Kasperwing design? Real similar.
@flashted22 күн бұрын
Yes, Kasper experimented with a concept called "vortex lift".
@rafaelsuarez741525 күн бұрын
Curious wing tip brakeAilerons , like in some flyig wings
@5er59328 күн бұрын
Hi! zip is no longer wroking on forum.
@flashted24 күн бұрын
I will get you a link
@5er59323 күн бұрын
@@flashted Thanks in advance
@flashted23 күн бұрын
@@5er593Hey, I will post a link via a file transfee site. Look for the notification via comments here. As soon as you see my notification, you must use the link within a day or so as it will expire. Safe download site called "We Transfer" The plans at Hip Pocket Aderonautics, are there, but the site is a bit dated, and wonky to use. Cheers Cheers
@flashted22 күн бұрын
Here is the Link for the plans let me know if you have any trouble we.tl/t-ZnMfqL5EKY
@JoseNavarroCo2 ай бұрын
Cool vid. I ordered the bonsai version from Aliexpress and eyeing this model. I heard the CG on these is very sensitive
@flashted2 ай бұрын
Yeah there's a few guys that have done this on KZread. One guy says I think he got 30 km out of it? That's kind of hard to believe I have to look at what kind of battery he's using. I'm starting to think that I may be able to get it under 250 grams. I read last night that the CG is 5 mm in front of two small holes on the bottom. I'm going to search around to see what others have to say. Small hooks, hung by string upside down should do it but I'm sure that it's not going to be easy. I now have finalized the location for the video transmitter and it's antenna, so I should be able to do a preliminary weight and balance on it. Flying wings are inherently tail heavy due to the sweep and the mass of the wing being pretty far behind the CG so tonight after I finalize the location for the GPS I will probably do that. I think I can get it to fly pretty stable with a couple of fins at the tips maybe another dorsal fin on the bottom if the weight is too far forward. I will need to add weight somehow without the weight being dead weight. Might as well make it functional Thanks, stay tuned
@Colin3994 ай бұрын
Nice to see someone else is still using 35 mhz
@user-mn4nc3cb6y4 ай бұрын
Do you still have the updated plans? if so, is it possible that you could share them with me?
@flashted4 ай бұрын
They are here, and they are free. My username is Goloka on that site. Search that, and Horten on the Builders plan gallery page, and you will see the photo packs, and the plans www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/search.php
@user-mn4nc3cb6y4 ай бұрын
@@flashtedthank You so much :)
@user-mn4nc3cb6y4 ай бұрын
I can't seem to download the plans, i did register an account on the forum but it just won't let me
@flashted4 ай бұрын
@user-mn4nc3cb6y Ok, I will make a temp link to the files and drop it here. It's a worldwide file transfer site, it's called Wetransfer it's free and it's safe. I will send you all the construction photos and the plans. I've stopped working on mine, I should start it up again. But I've just recently moved. I no longer have a garage. Mine has a few issues, one of the Wings has warped and I need to construct a jig to straighten it out. It won't be hard but I have a lot of other projects at the moment. Check back for the files
@user-mn4nc3cb6y4 ай бұрын
@@flashted thank you, i wish You the best in your project
@CryOfHelp7 ай бұрын
Greetings from Germany! I want to ask you, if you can send me your updated plans, because the website in your description doesnt work, it crashes always when I try to create a account :)
@flashted5 ай бұрын
If you downoad the telegram app, I can send them that way telegram.org Once you do that type @TConeandonly into the search, and private message me. Be sure to say the subject so I do not delete it.
@flashted4 ай бұрын
Link expires in 7 days we.tl/t-NBqsyrqhP7 Its safe..
@dcvshambhu9 ай бұрын
Well done....
@MyLife-bg2qe9 ай бұрын
ADORE 😊
@abundantharmony11 ай бұрын
Perfect music.
@flashted11 ай бұрын
After watching that video again after years being past, I look back and I say to myself "wow I sure had a lot of time on my hands" Especially in the construction of those spoilers at the tip. I had forgotten how detailed they were. I actually constructed a center section for this aircraft, and made it even bigger with the hopes of recovering it and reworking it. But it seems lately I just can't seem to get my shit together to build anything anymore. And now one of my best friends has learned slicer programs, CAD programs, and has moved on to 3D printing airplanes. He's like 75 years old. So you can teach Old Dogs new tricks. There is hope, but little time.
@nenadstojadinovic832611 ай бұрын
I've always liked the flying wing config and I think I will be building this aircraft once I clear my bench of airframes and wreckage. One question: I notice that you say Eppler 207 in the description, but the airfoil in the plans doesn't look like the '207. BTW, I have been building wings from foam and glass, and if it all works out I will probably have cores to sell if anyone is interested.
@flashted11 ай бұрын
Hey, if I remember right, the original laser coordinates had two airfoils. 205 and the 207 eppler. It could be the 205. There could be an error on the plans. I will have to check. The plans are free, I do believe there is a link on the video. Not only that, but I think the website that I uploaded the plans to includes about 100 pictures that I took during the construction of it also. The plane in the video I constructed in 2 halves. The plans show three pieces, two outer panels and a center section which is really the way to go. Keep in mind that the plans show older graupner spoilers out at the tips of the Wings, which are unavailable if I remember right, but the pics show ones you can make yourself, although complicated. At one point I was going to foam core it, and Skin it in carbon fiber, or completely Hollow mold it with the vacuum infusion method. Ideally now, it would be best to 3D print this thing. But the problem is it depends on where you're going to be flying it. If you fly on a trash mound like I do, it would be best to make this thing out of EPP. If you're lucky enough to have a flying site on the coast of California, Ireland, or Australia where you can top land safely, you could make it out of something that's a little bit more fragile,yet lighter, and more efficent. Remember, Epp is very heavy though. It could even be made out of foam board very cheaply. Currently I am working on a 3D printed Horton ho-229 V2 that uses 2 50mm or maybe 64 mm ducted fans if I can get them to fit. I'm going to do a new video soon, as I picked up a lot of subscribers out of nowhere all the sudden. I've been away because I had to move, covid, all that nonsense.
@nenadstojadinovic832611 ай бұрын
@@flashted Yep, it looks a lot more like the Eppler 205. I haven't plotted it out to check it properly yet, and will drop you a line when I have done so. I have built a plane or two out of 3D printed components in the past. They worked out well enough, but I am a bit old school and for the moment I am sticking to foam composites. Heck, I love the smell of epoxy in the morning! You guessed right - I live on the East coast of Australia and have the luxury of a mown grass runway that goes as far as the eye can see, plus some pretty decent cliffs. I also have a few acres of grass up to my armpits for those first flights ... BTW, I have recently built a Verhees Delta from a kit and they offer a small Horten wing that you might like. They do a good job on their kits, and the Horten can be found at www.rbckits.com/shop/flying-wings-deltas.html
@flashted11 ай бұрын
@@nenadstojadinovic8326 Nice didnt know RBC was still in business. Love that BV 212, although I have plans for it, a kit would be nice.
@robohippy Жыл бұрын
I quit flying hang gliders in 1983, kind of got distracted by other things in life. I was building models. The hand launch, no RC, models I was making were very similar in structure to this, well, after about 20 design variations. I was working on one that would have been closer to the more modern double surface gliders. A fabric sail with 1/32 shaped plywood battens, and fishing pole blanks for the leading edges. I was still thinking of weight shift for controls, but the ailerons would have been a lot simpler.... Nice job.
@flashted11 ай бұрын
Yeah, my last flight was in 2015. My daughter was getting to the age of needing more attention so I stopped hang gliding. I was looking at the sky just today saying how nice it would have been to be up there.
@tomadams2319 Жыл бұрын
Just like NASA's Prandtl-D wing. Except it took NASA 20+ years to design theirs. Swept, tapered flying wing with lots of washout (~12 degrees) and tip elevons just like yours with no rudders or fins. They also have a forward CG at 12%. The washout gives "proverse" yaw, so the turns are automagically coordinated. You've got it!
@flashted Жыл бұрын
Yes, but the only thing bad about it is when you speed up a finless wing with washout things get a little bit weird. This plane is best as a floater, without a motor. It will climb in the lightest of thermals
@gisall8205 Жыл бұрын
You have to question the idiot who slammed into you. How could they Not see you there.
@flashted Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it was an incredibly windy day. There were a lot of planes up also, but usually mid air's are pretty rare. Even when we did combat with zagi type flying wings, it was pretty difficult to hit people who you wanted to hit LOL I haven't been up there in a while, so I decided to rework an old Great Planes bird of time into an autonomous soaring fpv plane. I'm going to post a new video covering it soon. Cheers...
@nuchbutter Жыл бұрын
Just noticed the Fox motocross jersey...
@flashted Жыл бұрын
Yeah believe it or not, we're all hang glider Pilots not Motocross racers
@myntz6761 Жыл бұрын
Good idea.
@flashted Жыл бұрын
Yeah, but now everyone's going walksnail now. I have an old headplay goggle system that has an HD screen in it that I may do a video on. Converting it over to walksnail that is... It would be like having an iMax screen on your face! Even more immersion barring the bulkyness
@larrywelle2679 Жыл бұрын
Hope all's well Ted how's the world treating you
@flashted Жыл бұрын
Hey Larry all good man getting ready to start constructing my building room so I'll get back to the Horton, I'm also building a room with a big screen TV so I can fly my drone remotely from a chair inside my house. Have a very tall three-story townhouse with the attic being the third story, and a great place to put an antenna array
@larrywelle2679 Жыл бұрын
Happy new year Ted post more shorts you'll get more subscribers anyway hope all is well
@flashted Жыл бұрын
Hey bud, I've seen your shorts they're great, haven't been doing much stuff lately. A good friend of mine just bought a $3,000 3D printer and we're going to start printing Hortens a 50 mm version, and a 64 mm version. Only thing I'm doing at the moment is updating an old tricopter that's a little bit larger than the trifecta. Cheers
@larrywelle2679 Жыл бұрын
What goes on my friend?
@flashted Жыл бұрын
Hey bud, long time no see, I moved got a new place to live, all my stuff's in storage unfortunately and now I've acquired a money pit that is above my RC hobby. I'm constructing a building room in my attic but I have to move a truss in order to get some headspace. When I do that I'm going to put my Horton on the building block again and finish it. It deserves it.
@larrywelle2679 Жыл бұрын
@@flashted hang in there Sir you shall get through this too
@KlingbergWingMkII Жыл бұрын
I bet the reason the kit designer indicated to flip the elevons over to the opposite was to create reflex at the wingtip and add some washout. Both of which come in handy. Funny to hear you guys discussing one of my designs during the flight.
@flashted Жыл бұрын
I'm honored, I remember hearing about the klingberg wing way back when I first started into hang gliding in the early 90s. Then of course AIR came out with the atos and blew everybody away, but not before the Exxtasy and all the other rigid Wings started dominating hang gliding My dream was to build a Horten Ho IV with modern material's like carbon and Kevlar and experiment with more modern airfoils.. Cheers
@flashted Жыл бұрын
The Paoli Wing seems to be a great design, but the approach the original designer had at the wing tips was not my idea of how a flying wing should be constructed, and I did add reflex in my redesign which Incorporated not flipping the elevons. I wish I had the time to finish thd new centersection i made for it. It will increase the wingspan 24 inches.
@flashted Жыл бұрын
Holy crap, are you at funston? That's on my bucket list as far as places to fly on the West Coast, I've flown Torrey Pines, but that was before I got married LOL
@Johnygoodfellow Жыл бұрын
I have been searching for such kind of mod for a while and your way is the best so far. Great ! Thanks 😀
@flashted Жыл бұрын
There is a way to also mod these to accept a 1.3 gig matek RX module. They are great goggles, Istill use mine attached to my transmitter.
@Johnygoodfellow Жыл бұрын
It's awesome. I've seen on yt one guy had flown over 15 km with this module on board !
@kenwebster5053 Жыл бұрын
He swapped the elevons to the other tips. Yep, it's called reflex, creates positive CMO (pitch stability). Back in about 1978 I designed a swept RC flying wing after reading and article on plank flying wings & reflex. The article recommended reflexing the camber line from the 75% chord position. So, I decided to try a swept configuration and experimentally see if progressively changing for zero reflex at the root to a minimum reflex at the tip would significantly reduce the amount of reflex area required for stability. So I made several smaller free flight test models. Yes it does significantly reduce the reflexed area. I think I ended up with about the last 20-25% of the tip chord reflexed & zero reflex at the root. The tip was 60% of the root. So that gives about 7% reflexed area compared to the planks 25 % reflexed area to achieve a positive CMO. So it seems to me the original design you messed up was probably better than your mod. Yeah, flew hang glider back then too. Just because you can fly an aircraft, doesn't mean you know all the intricacies of airframe design. Are you familiar with the Horton bell shaped lift distribution or the 1033s Prandtl wing?
@flashted Жыл бұрын
Original design I messed up?, go take the time to build one of these things, cut out the tips, and flip them upside down and take a good look at that bullshit that that guy had at the tips. I don't need a PhD in aircraft design to know that that original design was crap , and nobody's boasting anything just because I fly a hang glider dude. I added reflex to the trailing edge of this thing to help it out slightly, but that guy had some sort of strange experiment going on, and that's the reason why you've never seen one of these things fly before.
@kenwebster5053 Жыл бұрын
@@flashted I have built many RC models, including flying wings. Designed & built many from scratch, going back to the 70s for RC & the 60s for free flight & CL models. I have built models commercially as well. I know exactly what it takes to build them. Perhaps I'm not picturing your explanation correctly. It seems to me you described the original design cut the section at the reflex point & flipped it upside down. This is effectively the same as reflex.
@JohnStenborg Жыл бұрын
…dont listen to the technical antisocial snobs…keep your integrity and continue experiment…thats the way that build experince…say an 70 year old boy…
@martincox4520 Жыл бұрын
I have a copy of an article in a French model magazine of the Paoli wing. I built and still fly this model. When setting up the elevons you must use deferential, more up than down. The I did not and struggled with adverse yaw. The article also has the wing section coordinates. In addition have a plan for flying wing using Clark Y!! From 1948 Mechanix Illustrated
@hectormunoz357511 ай бұрын
Hello, im building a 2.5 balsa horten III. It's tailless and have questions of the stability. I want that plan!
@martincox452011 ай бұрын
@@hectormunoz3575 The Horten III had 6
@martincox452011 ай бұрын
@@hectormunoz3575 6 degrees of wash out. One way to get this is build the wing upside down and taper the washout from root to tip
@robertmcwhinney4596 Жыл бұрын
I believe its a kite lol!🧐
@daviddavids2884 Жыл бұрын
good work. bravo, for SEEING that there were DEFECTS in the original design/plans. at 10:13, the balsa stock used in making the main spar is TOO BULKY; the result is a significant Reduction in the integrity of the each rib.! instead, smaller Spruce or poplar Should be used.!!! at 21:42, CF is HEAVY.!!!!! do NOT use it, if wood or bamboo will do the job.!!!!! you may know that a pushrod Should be PERPENDICULAR to its associated hinge line. googletranslate
@flashted Жыл бұрын
Yes, it could use a complete redesign, I intended to vacuum Hollow mold this Wing from carbon fiber. The airfoil on the wooden plane was not consistent enough for me from root to tip. The airfoil could be also updated, as the airfoil used was semi-symmetrical. The aircraft was used as a personal design study to see if a "true" tailless, finless wing could be fairly stable without spinning flippity floppy out of the air without the anhedral in the design, as found in my hang glider. I achieved my goal.
@johnfreeman70052 жыл бұрын
Awesome i will Build this for sure (hang glider as well. Thanks
@alistairclark68142 жыл бұрын
Gotta wonder what is going on in their little heads!
@alistairclark68142 жыл бұрын
There is something about tow launches.... terrifying! Exciting stuff!
@alistairclark68142 жыл бұрын
Subbed and belled, awesome channel sir!
@flashted2 жыл бұрын
I have much more, but at the present I am occupied with renovating a new townhouse.
@alistairclark68142 жыл бұрын
@@flashted I look forward to more! Happy renovation and congrats on a new town house!
which are the control surfaces? theres three on the plan but i want to make the ones towards the end of the wing tip like the split drag rudders on the B2 Spirit. Are the ones towards the base of the wing flaps or elevators? Thanks
@flashted2 жыл бұрын
The tips are of course the ailerons, the middle surface are the elevators, and the inner most are flaps. How the Hortens intended these control surfaces to to work in unison, is still a mystery to me. Also, we cannot forget the "drag" rudders at the tips also. I intended to set up the ailerons, as elevons, and use a mix to "crow" the elevator s, and flaps as a speed brake function. It would be possible today's modern radios to mix all surfaces to work as elevons, and still use the crow feature also. I did consider using the B2 Spirit type of split ailerons for this aircraft also, but most of it's already built and I don't want to hack things up. I am about to construct a sloper version of this plane, with this feature. There was a group of guys called team legit that had a feature on a flying wing for fpv that used this feature, I will try to find the video and post it here.
@flashted2 жыл бұрын
Here is an elevons / drag rudders type of setup in taranis kzread.info/dash/bejne/fIV-r8mImcTPorg.html
@TerrariumFirma2 жыл бұрын
@@flashted thankyou. Thats very helpful. I am going to make this a sloper only.
@flashted Жыл бұрын
Flaps are furthest in board, elevators middle, ailerons out board, if you are making a glider just use the ailerons as "elevons" the hortens mode of controls was way complicated, and not worth using. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fIV-r8mImcTPorg.html
@puttputt732 жыл бұрын
Chopping out half the D-tube is not good. Modern servos are routinely built into the structure, just glue those hatches on.
@flashted2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I know that now. what I really wanted to achieve with this thing was basically to prove the design and then I was going to mold it out of fiberglass and carbon. It would be very difficult to cut it out of EPP. Green foam and vacuum bag it maybe. It had a few inconsistencies in the leading edge, because it's made out of wood and if you sand a little bit too much here you mess the air foil up slightly, you sand a little bit too much there you mess the airfoil up. I noticed this when I sighted the leading edge from the tip looking towards the cord. But, it flies. the original builder, on his web page, flipped the elevans from one side to another and God only knows what kind of airfoil he had at the tip. my plans corrected all that. it's a great plane, I remember one of the first times I flew it with a bunch of competition guys flying Pike perfects, I climbed right through them and their jaws were like whoa! but after all the most efficient Wing possible for flight is a pure flying wing that's tailless, just like a bird. That's next for me I have some bird designs that I'm going to put up on my KZread channel. All made from EVA foam.
@user-oo1pu6bj1c Жыл бұрын
@@flashted когда будешь вкручиваться в термик увидишь как тяжело держать в спирале летающее крыло. Никогда оно не победит классику
@TerrariumFirma2 жыл бұрын
i had one of these gliders when i was a teenager. Never got it flying though. Took me so long to save up money for electronics etc that i had left home by that time! I have joined the OZ forum and am building the Horten 229 gotha in the next few weeks. Love those flying wings
@flashted2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's a great little plane. That polyhedral actually makes that plane roll very well with just rudder elevator. Basically all my stuff's in storage. That's why there hasn't been much activity on my channel. My Horten is at about 80% I got the fans and motors just need batteries and speed controllers and start the final finishing of it, but unfortunately it has a warp in one of the wings. I have to unplank one side and twist it wet it, glass it so that it's back in line. Not a big deal, just time consuming. The Jack Bale Horten was a "paper plane" of sorts. I don't think any of them have ever flown. I did a lot of correcting of those plans in order to get it to come together correctly. Hopefully when I move into my new townhouse I'll be able to finish it, because I promised myself that's the first plane I'm going to finish when I start my shop up again. Your in OZ? wow, my heart goes out to you You guys need a revolution for sure....
@TerrariumFirma2 жыл бұрын
gentile lady AKA the shiksa🤣
@xfgy88962 жыл бұрын
Привет, подскажи толщину обшивки.
@flashted4 ай бұрын
Link expires in 7 days we.tl/t-NBqsyrqhP7 Its safe..
@huffdaddy38452 жыл бұрын
Did the pilot purposely separate from the glider, or did that happen with the structural failure of the glider?
@flashted2 жыл бұрын
This is a pretty old video, like 2007 or so maybe earlier. From what I understand, the keel broke. And some how his harness became detatched. I think it was an earlier version of a Moyes light speed. Talk about having your heart in your mouth...
@larrywelle26792 жыл бұрын
hello
@flashted2 жыл бұрын
Hey Larry, long time no hear... Just about all my radio control stuff has come to a standstill. The condo I was living in, the owners booted us because they wanted to reclaim their property because of a family member fleeing the vaccine tyranny of Canada. We had to relocate to my brother's house, for a while until we can save up enough money to buy a place which is very hard in Florida, because everybody's coming here from all the communist States around us. I had to move most of my garage and building room to my upstairs loft at our business therefore I have no place to finish my Horton. What a cluster fuck
@larrywelle26793 жыл бұрын
So Ted what I've learned about my Horton couple of things slow speed it wants to stall in Dutch roll I've put in a three-axis gyro helps it a lot it flies fine at slow speed without it the tumbles to the ground second thing I found was that the angle of attack if you notice in the plants how the Horton's nose is up high that also helps it get off the ground I had a lower landing gear and it wouldn't take off from the runway but when I raise the nose of the airplane it flew off the runway so I don't know I think you probably talked about no gear so you're going to probably use a catapult and there's something on the Internet about building a Horton or something and somebody some had someone has a kid out and if you scroll through the bottom it'll show you how to calculate the proper bungee strength to get it off the ground and etc hope this helps
@flashted3 жыл бұрын
Hello larry, how are you? Yes, flying wings are inherently unstable in the yaw axis. Remember, your wing has small fins on the rear landing gear, so it's not truly finless, yet it's still tip stalls.I experienced the same thing after flying foam wings on a slope for many years, even though it had fins of the tip, they still tip stall easily. After that I noticed that one of my zaggies tips stalled less than the other! One was a zaggy 3C and the other one was a zaggy 5 C. The 3C had a wider elevon at the tip, and then I was like light bulb moment.... Then I found the Paoli design which I turned into the Euroclydon on my channel. Key is the shape of the elevon's at the tips. no I don't know if you are aware of this, but on the original Ho IX, it didn't have elevons alone at the tips alone for full flight control, It had aileron's at the tips, the middle surface were elevators, and the inner surface were flaps. Plus, drag rudders at the tips also to do who knows what, because Edwin Zwiller crashed the prototype way before it's time, and the Hortens are dead, so we'll never know. My modification of Jack's plans has all of those surfaces for control.
@flashted3 жыл бұрын
And yes, I plan on using a flight controller in it for all axis control. What I plan to do is to make a mix to do a quote Crow on the wing just like a sailplane, so if it starts oscillating I'll just flip a switch and it'll kind of stop it.
@flashted3 жыл бұрын
What you should do is build another that has all the flight surface controls leave the ailerons ailerons got the elevators is elevators and flaps as flaps, and then try to fly it see what happens.
@flashted3 жыл бұрын
Yes I plan on using a bungee I already have it built, along with a ramp. I still believe if this plane would have ever became operational it would have been a Widowmaker for sure. It sure does look cool doesn't it!
@flashted3 жыл бұрын
I've been trying to get back to mine, but I'm incredibly busy, and I'm also obsessing over a RC truck that I'm turning into fpv Rover style which has been taking all my spare time. I might make a video tonight describing the control system so watch for it. Cheers Larry take care
@Panzerbaer1003 жыл бұрын
When is the first flight planned? Does a landing gear come in and an extension tube?
@flashted3 жыл бұрын
@Panzerbaer Well, I kind of ran into a snag. Florida had some freak rains, and a few hurricanes which just barely skimmed us last summer, and when they did, we had a "Rain event" which flooded our shop. We were left with 2 inches of water on the floor, and as it evaporated from the floor, the humidity rose up and warped my new building board upstairs. So, I have been at a stand still since, and am planning on getting a new board this week. As far as the extension tubes go they are only needed when there is not enough efflux from the fans, and being I am running 90mm fans, I may not need them. (fingers crossed) As fa as gear, there is none to keep the weight down, but I built the plane to accept gear in the future if I wish to install them. Cheers!
@barenekid96953 жыл бұрын
Very nice work ! Impressed with your putting the aileron V slot on the top.. where it belongs.
@flashted3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I also covered the gap with mylar so there is now no Gap. (It was a big gap) It had an odd characteristic where when flying it seemed to have boundary layer separation which was very strange. I'm not quite sure if that was it or not, but it would dive a little bit and it would get real fast, until you kind of jerked it up a little bit, then it would slow down again. I suspected this is what it was and I put window brads out at the tips of the wing in front of the elevon's to break up the air a little bit over the flying surfaces. I'll never forget the first time I flew it with a bunch of guys who had competition gliders on the hill, I mean these were $1,200 ships, and I had just climbed right through them on the first flight speced out over top of them. It was glorious! I still have it it's upstairs at my shop, but I have since made a 2-foot center section for it, but had to put it away recently due to starting construction on my Horten again.
@tedium7163 жыл бұрын
Hey Ted, have you tried it in inav 2.6?
@flashted3 жыл бұрын
Hey, Not yet, although I did talk to Pawel Spychalski about it, and he said it will be a whole other matter. I asked him to make a "preset" for the Y-copter in iNav, and he said there is a mix already in github, but it is not in the config. I had at the time never seen this page in the Wiki, and was surprised to read that iNav can support MANY other platforms than what is known (It helps to talk to a developer) It can be found here: github.com/iNavFlight/inav/wiki/Custom-mixes-for-exotic-setups BUT, he said the filtering and other things are way different in iNav, than Betaflight, and to expect it to be harder to set up. I don't plan on trying it just yet, as I have a backload of projects I am trying to get up and running. Have a look at that page. I suggest that you turn your front props outward, Left counter clockwise, and Right clockwise. Also pay attention to the prop shaft distance, and spacing between the rear motors at about 5/8 inch Cheers! Hit the "Like" button please
@larrywelle26793 жыл бұрын
stills on my facebook larry welle
@pjhardin80193 жыл бұрын
Nice sunset and horizon views
@larrywelle26793 жыл бұрын
Are you going to slop the horten 229?
@flashted3 жыл бұрын
Hey Larry, I may build another just for sloping. I have considered bungeeing my ducted fan version off on its maiden, but some areas are like the moon up there, and I may not want to risk the damage on the first flight. Although, shooting it off a hill has its advantages, like "instant" altitude which is good...
@larrywelle26793 жыл бұрын
@@flashted My New CAD Plan posted sunday
@tedium7163 жыл бұрын
Hello Ted is the diffs all from pawel spychalski tricopter build?
@flashted3 жыл бұрын
Hey, they started out that way, but I tweaked them for the Trifecta. I believe that any tricopter of about the same size will benefit using them in inav 2.5 or 2.6. I like the Y copter / Tricopter format and have been experimenting with a Y-4 Robocat. I flew it yesterday and it flies almost identical to a Tricopter but without the hassle of a tail servo. I'm going to fly it again, tweak the pids a little bit and then update the Y-4 Robocat video series I have on my channel stay tuned...
@tifosaurus3 жыл бұрын
Very nice! Have been long looking for a video of a Paoli flying wing. It truly flies beautifully without signs of adverse yaw due to absence of the fins. Coincidentally, I' ve maiden my finless flying wing design 3 days ago. It is a 1 meter span design, without geometric washout. Washout is given purely by up elevon deflection, the elevons having the same planform as those of the Paoli flying wing. Only fact is that I used MH45 airfoil on the root, becoming a NACA009 in the tip. Mine alsk has a small booster motpr driving a pusher prop just for gaining altitude. In fact these type of flying wings rely on the Horten recipe: giving this planform shape on the elevons and deflecting them up creates a "kinda" bell shaped lift distribution, eliminating adverse yaw, even creating proverse yaw when the wing is balanced correctly.
@flashted3 жыл бұрын
Hello, Yes, it fly's well. That video was shot in 25 mph plus winds. I had a power pod on it, but I felt that it caused to much drag. The problem I am finding out with a "pure" flying wing planform is that when a lot of power is added, things get interesting. If you go to this video, at the 2:24 mark you will see what I mean. kzread.info/dash/bejne/jIefpcitkrfTc7A.html
@tifosaurus3 жыл бұрын
Love the fact that he saved it...
@georgekforrpv6857 Жыл бұрын
Saying the original design was 'wrong' without trying it seems narrow-minded. Could easily imagine how swapping ailerons of that shape could have the effect of building in progressive washout as move towards the wingtips, and that is a characteristic of several true flying wings I've seen. But anyway congrats on the project and the discipline it takes to complete such a project!
@georgekforrpv6857 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful workmanship!
@flashted11 ай бұрын
@@georgekforrpv6857 There is an order in the universe, and that's the ideal model to follow. There is also something called Chaos Theory, which is what I was trying to avoid.
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another hangee. right on
Check out Nasa's Prandtl-D Project
Have you ever looked at the Kasperwing design? Real similar.
Yes, Kasper experimented with a concept called "vortex lift".
Curious wing tip brakeAilerons , like in some flyig wings
Hi! zip is no longer wroking on forum.
I will get you a link
@@flashted Thanks in advance
@@5er593Hey, I will post a link via a file transfee site. Look for the notification via comments here. As soon as you see my notification, you must use the link within a day or so as it will expire. Safe download site called "We Transfer" The plans at Hip Pocket Aderonautics, are there, but the site is a bit dated, and wonky to use. Cheers Cheers
Here is the Link for the plans let me know if you have any trouble we.tl/t-ZnMfqL5EKY
Cool vid. I ordered the bonsai version from Aliexpress and eyeing this model. I heard the CG on these is very sensitive
Yeah there's a few guys that have done this on KZread. One guy says I think he got 30 km out of it? That's kind of hard to believe I have to look at what kind of battery he's using. I'm starting to think that I may be able to get it under 250 grams. I read last night that the CG is 5 mm in front of two small holes on the bottom. I'm going to search around to see what others have to say. Small hooks, hung by string upside down should do it but I'm sure that it's not going to be easy. I now have finalized the location for the video transmitter and it's antenna, so I should be able to do a preliminary weight and balance on it. Flying wings are inherently tail heavy due to the sweep and the mass of the wing being pretty far behind the CG so tonight after I finalize the location for the GPS I will probably do that. I think I can get it to fly pretty stable with a couple of fins at the tips maybe another dorsal fin on the bottom if the weight is too far forward. I will need to add weight somehow without the weight being dead weight. Might as well make it functional Thanks, stay tuned
Nice to see someone else is still using 35 mhz
Do you still have the updated plans? if so, is it possible that you could share them with me?
They are here, and they are free. My username is Goloka on that site. Search that, and Horten on the Builders plan gallery page, and you will see the photo packs, and the plans www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/search.php
@@flashtedthank You so much :)
I can't seem to download the plans, i did register an account on the forum but it just won't let me
@user-mn4nc3cb6y Ok, I will make a temp link to the files and drop it here. It's a worldwide file transfer site, it's called Wetransfer it's free and it's safe. I will send you all the construction photos and the plans. I've stopped working on mine, I should start it up again. But I've just recently moved. I no longer have a garage. Mine has a few issues, one of the Wings has warped and I need to construct a jig to straighten it out. It won't be hard but I have a lot of other projects at the moment. Check back for the files
@@flashted thank you, i wish You the best in your project
Greetings from Germany! I want to ask you, if you can send me your updated plans, because the website in your description doesnt work, it crashes always when I try to create a account :)
If you downoad the telegram app, I can send them that way telegram.org Once you do that type @TConeandonly into the search, and private message me. Be sure to say the subject so I do not delete it.
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Perfect music.
After watching that video again after years being past, I look back and I say to myself "wow I sure had a lot of time on my hands" Especially in the construction of those spoilers at the tip. I had forgotten how detailed they were. I actually constructed a center section for this aircraft, and made it even bigger with the hopes of recovering it and reworking it. But it seems lately I just can't seem to get my shit together to build anything anymore. And now one of my best friends has learned slicer programs, CAD programs, and has moved on to 3D printing airplanes. He's like 75 years old. So you can teach Old Dogs new tricks. There is hope, but little time.
I've always liked the flying wing config and I think I will be building this aircraft once I clear my bench of airframes and wreckage. One question: I notice that you say Eppler 207 in the description, but the airfoil in the plans doesn't look like the '207. BTW, I have been building wings from foam and glass, and if it all works out I will probably have cores to sell if anyone is interested.
Hey, if I remember right, the original laser coordinates had two airfoils. 205 and the 207 eppler. It could be the 205. There could be an error on the plans. I will have to check. The plans are free, I do believe there is a link on the video. Not only that, but I think the website that I uploaded the plans to includes about 100 pictures that I took during the construction of it also. The plane in the video I constructed in 2 halves. The plans show three pieces, two outer panels and a center section which is really the way to go. Keep in mind that the plans show older graupner spoilers out at the tips of the Wings, which are unavailable if I remember right, but the pics show ones you can make yourself, although complicated. At one point I was going to foam core it, and Skin it in carbon fiber, or completely Hollow mold it with the vacuum infusion method. Ideally now, it would be best to 3D print this thing. But the problem is it depends on where you're going to be flying it. If you fly on a trash mound like I do, it would be best to make this thing out of EPP. If you're lucky enough to have a flying site on the coast of California, Ireland, or Australia where you can top land safely, you could make it out of something that's a little bit more fragile,yet lighter, and more efficent. Remember, Epp is very heavy though. It could even be made out of foam board very cheaply. Currently I am working on a 3D printed Horton ho-229 V2 that uses 2 50mm or maybe 64 mm ducted fans if I can get them to fit. I'm going to do a new video soon, as I picked up a lot of subscribers out of nowhere all the sudden. I've been away because I had to move, covid, all that nonsense.
@@flashted Yep, it looks a lot more like the Eppler 205. I haven't plotted it out to check it properly yet, and will drop you a line when I have done so. I have built a plane or two out of 3D printed components in the past. They worked out well enough, but I am a bit old school and for the moment I am sticking to foam composites. Heck, I love the smell of epoxy in the morning! You guessed right - I live on the East coast of Australia and have the luxury of a mown grass runway that goes as far as the eye can see, plus some pretty decent cliffs. I also have a few acres of grass up to my armpits for those first flights ... BTW, I have recently built a Verhees Delta from a kit and they offer a small Horten wing that you might like. They do a good job on their kits, and the Horten can be found at www.rbckits.com/shop/flying-wings-deltas.html
@@nenadstojadinovic8326 Nice didnt know RBC was still in business. Love that BV 212, although I have plans for it, a kit would be nice.
I quit flying hang gliders in 1983, kind of got distracted by other things in life. I was building models. The hand launch, no RC, models I was making were very similar in structure to this, well, after about 20 design variations. I was working on one that would have been closer to the more modern double surface gliders. A fabric sail with 1/32 shaped plywood battens, and fishing pole blanks for the leading edges. I was still thinking of weight shift for controls, but the ailerons would have been a lot simpler.... Nice job.
Yeah, my last flight was in 2015. My daughter was getting to the age of needing more attention so I stopped hang gliding. I was looking at the sky just today saying how nice it would have been to be up there.
Just like NASA's Prandtl-D wing. Except it took NASA 20+ years to design theirs. Swept, tapered flying wing with lots of washout (~12 degrees) and tip elevons just like yours with no rudders or fins. They also have a forward CG at 12%. The washout gives "proverse" yaw, so the turns are automagically coordinated. You've got it!
Yes, but the only thing bad about it is when you speed up a finless wing with washout things get a little bit weird. This plane is best as a floater, without a motor. It will climb in the lightest of thermals
You have to question the idiot who slammed into you. How could they Not see you there.
Yeah, it was an incredibly windy day. There were a lot of planes up also, but usually mid air's are pretty rare. Even when we did combat with zagi type flying wings, it was pretty difficult to hit people who you wanted to hit LOL I haven't been up there in a while, so I decided to rework an old Great Planes bird of time into an autonomous soaring fpv plane. I'm going to post a new video covering it soon. Cheers...
Just noticed the Fox motocross jersey...
Yeah believe it or not, we're all hang glider Pilots not Motocross racers
Good idea.
Yeah, but now everyone's going walksnail now. I have an old headplay goggle system that has an HD screen in it that I may do a video on. Converting it over to walksnail that is... It would be like having an iMax screen on your face! Even more immersion barring the bulkyness
Hope all's well Ted how's the world treating you
Hey Larry all good man getting ready to start constructing my building room so I'll get back to the Horton, I'm also building a room with a big screen TV so I can fly my drone remotely from a chair inside my house. Have a very tall three-story townhouse with the attic being the third story, and a great place to put an antenna array
Happy new year Ted post more shorts you'll get more subscribers anyway hope all is well
Hey bud, I've seen your shorts they're great, haven't been doing much stuff lately. A good friend of mine just bought a $3,000 3D printer and we're going to start printing Hortens a 50 mm version, and a 64 mm version. Only thing I'm doing at the moment is updating an old tricopter that's a little bit larger than the trifecta. Cheers
What goes on my friend?
Hey bud, long time no see, I moved got a new place to live, all my stuff's in storage unfortunately and now I've acquired a money pit that is above my RC hobby. I'm constructing a building room in my attic but I have to move a truss in order to get some headspace. When I do that I'm going to put my Horton on the building block again and finish it. It deserves it.
@@flashted hang in there Sir you shall get through this too
I bet the reason the kit designer indicated to flip the elevons over to the opposite was to create reflex at the wingtip and add some washout. Both of which come in handy. Funny to hear you guys discussing one of my designs during the flight.
I'm honored, I remember hearing about the klingberg wing way back when I first started into hang gliding in the early 90s. Then of course AIR came out with the atos and blew everybody away, but not before the Exxtasy and all the other rigid Wings started dominating hang gliding My dream was to build a Horten Ho IV with modern material's like carbon and Kevlar and experiment with more modern airfoils.. Cheers
The Paoli Wing seems to be a great design, but the approach the original designer had at the wing tips was not my idea of how a flying wing should be constructed, and I did add reflex in my redesign which Incorporated not flipping the elevons. I wish I had the time to finish thd new centersection i made for it. It will increase the wingspan 24 inches.
Holy crap, are you at funston? That's on my bucket list as far as places to fly on the West Coast, I've flown Torrey Pines, but that was before I got married LOL
I have been searching for such kind of mod for a while and your way is the best so far. Great ! Thanks 😀
There is a way to also mod these to accept a 1.3 gig matek RX module. They are great goggles, Istill use mine attached to my transmitter.
It's awesome. I've seen on yt one guy had flown over 15 km with this module on board !
He swapped the elevons to the other tips. Yep, it's called reflex, creates positive CMO (pitch stability). Back in about 1978 I designed a swept RC flying wing after reading and article on plank flying wings & reflex. The article recommended reflexing the camber line from the 75% chord position. So, I decided to try a swept configuration and experimentally see if progressively changing for zero reflex at the root to a minimum reflex at the tip would significantly reduce the amount of reflex area required for stability. So I made several smaller free flight test models. Yes it does significantly reduce the reflexed area. I think I ended up with about the last 20-25% of the tip chord reflexed & zero reflex at the root. The tip was 60% of the root. So that gives about 7% reflexed area compared to the planks 25 % reflexed area to achieve a positive CMO. So it seems to me the original design you messed up was probably better than your mod. Yeah, flew hang glider back then too. Just because you can fly an aircraft, doesn't mean you know all the intricacies of airframe design. Are you familiar with the Horton bell shaped lift distribution or the 1033s Prandtl wing?
Original design I messed up?, go take the time to build one of these things, cut out the tips, and flip them upside down and take a good look at that bullshit that that guy had at the tips. I don't need a PhD in aircraft design to know that that original design was crap , and nobody's boasting anything just because I fly a hang glider dude. I added reflex to the trailing edge of this thing to help it out slightly, but that guy had some sort of strange experiment going on, and that's the reason why you've never seen one of these things fly before.
@@flashted I have built many RC models, including flying wings. Designed & built many from scratch, going back to the 70s for RC & the 60s for free flight & CL models. I have built models commercially as well. I know exactly what it takes to build them. Perhaps I'm not picturing your explanation correctly. It seems to me you described the original design cut the section at the reflex point & flipped it upside down. This is effectively the same as reflex.
…dont listen to the technical antisocial snobs…keep your integrity and continue experiment…thats the way that build experince…say an 70 year old boy…
I have a copy of an article in a French model magazine of the Paoli wing. I built and still fly this model. When setting up the elevons you must use deferential, more up than down. The I did not and struggled with adverse yaw. The article also has the wing section coordinates. In addition have a plan for flying wing using Clark Y!! From 1948 Mechanix Illustrated
Hello, im building a 2.5 balsa horten III. It's tailless and have questions of the stability. I want that plan!
@@hectormunoz3575 The Horten III had 6
@@hectormunoz3575 6 degrees of wash out. One way to get this is build the wing upside down and taper the washout from root to tip
I believe its a kite lol!🧐
good work. bravo, for SEEING that there were DEFECTS in the original design/plans. at 10:13, the balsa stock used in making the main spar is TOO BULKY; the result is a significant Reduction in the integrity of the each rib.! instead, smaller Spruce or poplar Should be used.!!! at 21:42, CF is HEAVY.!!!!! do NOT use it, if wood or bamboo will do the job.!!!!! you may know that a pushrod Should be PERPENDICULAR to its associated hinge line. googletranslate
Yes, it could use a complete redesign, I intended to vacuum Hollow mold this Wing from carbon fiber. The airfoil on the wooden plane was not consistent enough for me from root to tip. The airfoil could be also updated, as the airfoil used was semi-symmetrical. The aircraft was used as a personal design study to see if a "true" tailless, finless wing could be fairly stable without spinning flippity floppy out of the air without the anhedral in the design, as found in my hang glider. I achieved my goal.
Awesome i will Build this for sure (hang glider as well. Thanks
Gotta wonder what is going on in their little heads!
There is something about tow launches.... terrifying! Exciting stuff!
Subbed and belled, awesome channel sir!
I have much more, but at the present I am occupied with renovating a new townhouse.
@@flashted I look forward to more! Happy renovation and congrats on a new town house!
@@alistairclark6814 kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZZWTypOue6XSadI.html
which are the control surfaces? theres three on the plan but i want to make the ones towards the end of the wing tip like the split drag rudders on the B2 Spirit. Are the ones towards the base of the wing flaps or elevators? Thanks
The tips are of course the ailerons, the middle surface are the elevators, and the inner most are flaps. How the Hortens intended these control surfaces to to work in unison, is still a mystery to me. Also, we cannot forget the "drag" rudders at the tips also. I intended to set up the ailerons, as elevons, and use a mix to "crow" the elevator s, and flaps as a speed brake function. It would be possible today's modern radios to mix all surfaces to work as elevons, and still use the crow feature also. I did consider using the B2 Spirit type of split ailerons for this aircraft also, but most of it's already built and I don't want to hack things up. I am about to construct a sloper version of this plane, with this feature. There was a group of guys called team legit that had a feature on a flying wing for fpv that used this feature, I will try to find the video and post it here.
Here is an elevons / drag rudders type of setup in taranis kzread.info/dash/bejne/fIV-r8mImcTPorg.html
@@flashted thankyou. Thats very helpful. I am going to make this a sloper only.
Flaps are furthest in board, elevators middle, ailerons out board, if you are making a glider just use the ailerons as "elevons" the hortens mode of controls was way complicated, and not worth using. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fIV-r8mImcTPorg.html
Chopping out half the D-tube is not good. Modern servos are routinely built into the structure, just glue those hatches on.
Yeah, I know that now. what I really wanted to achieve with this thing was basically to prove the design and then I was going to mold it out of fiberglass and carbon. It would be very difficult to cut it out of EPP. Green foam and vacuum bag it maybe. It had a few inconsistencies in the leading edge, because it's made out of wood and if you sand a little bit too much here you mess the air foil up slightly, you sand a little bit too much there you mess the airfoil up. I noticed this when I sighted the leading edge from the tip looking towards the cord. But, it flies. the original builder, on his web page, flipped the elevans from one side to another and God only knows what kind of airfoil he had at the tip. my plans corrected all that. it's a great plane, I remember one of the first times I flew it with a bunch of competition guys flying Pike perfects, I climbed right through them and their jaws were like whoa! but after all the most efficient Wing possible for flight is a pure flying wing that's tailless, just like a bird. That's next for me I have some bird designs that I'm going to put up on my KZread channel. All made from EVA foam.
@@flashted когда будешь вкручиваться в термик увидишь как тяжело держать в спирале летающее крыло. Никогда оно не победит классику
i had one of these gliders when i was a teenager. Never got it flying though. Took me so long to save up money for electronics etc that i had left home by that time! I have joined the OZ forum and am building the Horten 229 gotha in the next few weeks. Love those flying wings
Yeah that's a great little plane. That polyhedral actually makes that plane roll very well with just rudder elevator. Basically all my stuff's in storage. That's why there hasn't been much activity on my channel. My Horten is at about 80% I got the fans and motors just need batteries and speed controllers and start the final finishing of it, but unfortunately it has a warp in one of the wings. I have to unplank one side and twist it wet it, glass it so that it's back in line. Not a big deal, just time consuming. The Jack Bale Horten was a "paper plane" of sorts. I don't think any of them have ever flown. I did a lot of correcting of those plans in order to get it to come together correctly. Hopefully when I move into my new townhouse I'll be able to finish it, because I promised myself that's the first plane I'm going to finish when I start my shop up again. Your in OZ? wow, my heart goes out to you You guys need a revolution for sure....
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Did the pilot purposely separate from the glider, or did that happen with the structural failure of the glider?
This is a pretty old video, like 2007 or so maybe earlier. From what I understand, the keel broke. And some how his harness became detatched. I think it was an earlier version of a Moyes light speed. Talk about having your heart in your mouth...
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Hey Larry, long time no hear... Just about all my radio control stuff has come to a standstill. The condo I was living in, the owners booted us because they wanted to reclaim their property because of a family member fleeing the vaccine tyranny of Canada. We had to relocate to my brother's house, for a while until we can save up enough money to buy a place which is very hard in Florida, because everybody's coming here from all the communist States around us. I had to move most of my garage and building room to my upstairs loft at our business therefore I have no place to finish my Horton. What a cluster fuck
So Ted what I've learned about my Horton couple of things slow speed it wants to stall in Dutch roll I've put in a three-axis gyro helps it a lot it flies fine at slow speed without it the tumbles to the ground second thing I found was that the angle of attack if you notice in the plants how the Horton's nose is up high that also helps it get off the ground I had a lower landing gear and it wouldn't take off from the runway but when I raise the nose of the airplane it flew off the runway so I don't know I think you probably talked about no gear so you're going to probably use a catapult and there's something on the Internet about building a Horton or something and somebody some had someone has a kid out and if you scroll through the bottom it'll show you how to calculate the proper bungee strength to get it off the ground and etc hope this helps
Hello larry, how are you? Yes, flying wings are inherently unstable in the yaw axis. Remember, your wing has small fins on the rear landing gear, so it's not truly finless, yet it's still tip stalls.I experienced the same thing after flying foam wings on a slope for many years, even though it had fins of the tip, they still tip stall easily. After that I noticed that one of my zaggies tips stalled less than the other! One was a zaggy 3C and the other one was a zaggy 5 C. The 3C had a wider elevon at the tip, and then I was like light bulb moment.... Then I found the Paoli design which I turned into the Euroclydon on my channel. Key is the shape of the elevon's at the tips. no I don't know if you are aware of this, but on the original Ho IX, it didn't have elevons alone at the tips alone for full flight control, It had aileron's at the tips, the middle surface were elevators, and the inner surface were flaps. Plus, drag rudders at the tips also to do who knows what, because Edwin Zwiller crashed the prototype way before it's time, and the Hortens are dead, so we'll never know. My modification of Jack's plans has all of those surfaces for control.
And yes, I plan on using a flight controller in it for all axis control. What I plan to do is to make a mix to do a quote Crow on the wing just like a sailplane, so if it starts oscillating I'll just flip a switch and it'll kind of stop it.
What you should do is build another that has all the flight surface controls leave the ailerons ailerons got the elevators is elevators and flaps as flaps, and then try to fly it see what happens.
Yes I plan on using a bungee I already have it built, along with a ramp. I still believe if this plane would have ever became operational it would have been a Widowmaker for sure. It sure does look cool doesn't it!
I've been trying to get back to mine, but I'm incredibly busy, and I'm also obsessing over a RC truck that I'm turning into fpv Rover style which has been taking all my spare time. I might make a video tonight describing the control system so watch for it. Cheers Larry take care
When is the first flight planned? Does a landing gear come in and an extension tube?
@Panzerbaer Well, I kind of ran into a snag. Florida had some freak rains, and a few hurricanes which just barely skimmed us last summer, and when they did, we had a "Rain event" which flooded our shop. We were left with 2 inches of water on the floor, and as it evaporated from the floor, the humidity rose up and warped my new building board upstairs. So, I have been at a stand still since, and am planning on getting a new board this week. As far as the extension tubes go they are only needed when there is not enough efflux from the fans, and being I am running 90mm fans, I may not need them. (fingers crossed) As fa as gear, there is none to keep the weight down, but I built the plane to accept gear in the future if I wish to install them. Cheers!
Very nice work ! Impressed with your putting the aileron V slot on the top.. where it belongs.
Yes, I also covered the gap with mylar so there is now no Gap. (It was a big gap) It had an odd characteristic where when flying it seemed to have boundary layer separation which was very strange. I'm not quite sure if that was it or not, but it would dive a little bit and it would get real fast, until you kind of jerked it up a little bit, then it would slow down again. I suspected this is what it was and I put window brads out at the tips of the wing in front of the elevon's to break up the air a little bit over the flying surfaces. I'll never forget the first time I flew it with a bunch of guys who had competition gliders on the hill, I mean these were $1,200 ships, and I had just climbed right through them on the first flight speced out over top of them. It was glorious! I still have it it's upstairs at my shop, but I have since made a 2-foot center section for it, but had to put it away recently due to starting construction on my Horten again.
Hey Ted, have you tried it in inav 2.6?
Hey, Not yet, although I did talk to Pawel Spychalski about it, and he said it will be a whole other matter. I asked him to make a "preset" for the Y-copter in iNav, and he said there is a mix already in github, but it is not in the config. I had at the time never seen this page in the Wiki, and was surprised to read that iNav can support MANY other platforms than what is known (It helps to talk to a developer) It can be found here: github.com/iNavFlight/inav/wiki/Custom-mixes-for-exotic-setups BUT, he said the filtering and other things are way different in iNav, than Betaflight, and to expect it to be harder to set up. I don't plan on trying it just yet, as I have a backload of projects I am trying to get up and running. Have a look at that page. I suggest that you turn your front props outward, Left counter clockwise, and Right clockwise. Also pay attention to the prop shaft distance, and spacing between the rear motors at about 5/8 inch Cheers! Hit the "Like" button please
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Nice sunset and horizon views
Are you going to slop the horten 229?
Hey Larry, I may build another just for sloping. I have considered bungeeing my ducted fan version off on its maiden, but some areas are like the moon up there, and I may not want to risk the damage on the first flight. Although, shooting it off a hill has its advantages, like "instant" altitude which is good...
@@flashted My New CAD Plan posted sunday
Hello Ted is the diffs all from pawel spychalski tricopter build?
Hey, they started out that way, but I tweaked them for the Trifecta. I believe that any tricopter of about the same size will benefit using them in inav 2.5 or 2.6. I like the Y copter / Tricopter format and have been experimenting with a Y-4 Robocat. I flew it yesterday and it flies almost identical to a Tricopter but without the hassle of a tail servo. I'm going to fly it again, tweak the pids a little bit and then update the Y-4 Robocat video series I have on my channel stay tuned...
Very nice! Have been long looking for a video of a Paoli flying wing. It truly flies beautifully without signs of adverse yaw due to absence of the fins. Coincidentally, I' ve maiden my finless flying wing design 3 days ago. It is a 1 meter span design, without geometric washout. Washout is given purely by up elevon deflection, the elevons having the same planform as those of the Paoli flying wing. Only fact is that I used MH45 airfoil on the root, becoming a NACA009 in the tip. Mine alsk has a small booster motpr driving a pusher prop just for gaining altitude. In fact these type of flying wings rely on the Horten recipe: giving this planform shape on the elevons and deflecting them up creates a "kinda" bell shaped lift distribution, eliminating adverse yaw, even creating proverse yaw when the wing is balanced correctly.
Hello, Yes, it fly's well. That video was shot in 25 mph plus winds. I had a power pod on it, but I felt that it caused to much drag. The problem I am finding out with a "pure" flying wing planform is that when a lot of power is added, things get interesting. If you go to this video, at the 2:24 mark you will see what I mean. kzread.info/dash/bejne/jIefpcitkrfTc7A.html
Love the fact that he saved it...
Saying the original design was 'wrong' without trying it seems narrow-minded. Could easily imagine how swapping ailerons of that shape could have the effect of building in progressive washout as move towards the wingtips, and that is a characteristic of several true flying wings I've seen. But anyway congrats on the project and the discipline it takes to complete such a project!
Beautiful workmanship!
@@georgekforrpv6857 There is an order in the universe, and that's the ideal model to follow. There is also something called Chaos Theory, which is what I was trying to avoid.