I have a question, why we would ward the side the enemy jg is at min 4? wouldn't it be safer to hug and ward the opposite side where the enemy jg is?
@edoh638113 сағат бұрын
My possible self-answer: A ward where the enemy jg is would be more valuable so at least we can get a confirmation of the enemy jg position if he shows up there
@Slapsamillion23 сағат бұрын
I thought you were just gonna skip over antiheal 😂. For example I played dark harvest lux against Tryndamere mid + Soraka yesterday and rushing oblivion orb had me with like 10+ Harvest stacks just from laning. But yea...not a ton of situations you would need it. Went orb > sorcs > blackfire then theu ff'd early.
@xtinct658423 сағат бұрын
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@wizak5799Күн бұрын
Did you think about making a tier list after every patch? Or atleast put a comment on video with patch 14.14 to 14.15 if we had a really small changes and we dont need another video ? U have a very good deep info by constan playing so i gain a lot information from u, especially when i have break 1 or 2 week from league. Ofcourse it was request/petition. Greetings from Poland. Gl in Korea!
@kairieleanor6497Күн бұрын
TLDR, Buy Ruby Crystal early, Resistance Items suck on Mages.... So I crunched the numbers using Kassadin's base stats at level 6, all of the following math is purely to show that resistances can be converted into HP for easy comparisons. I'm using Kassadin as my example because I was a Kassadin OTP in seasons 1-4. A defensive item, such as Cloth Armor vs a pure health item like Ruby Crystal. Kassadin has 19 + 4 per level armor and 646 + 119 per level health. Giving him 39 armor and 1241 hp at level 6. To calculate the damage reduction from resistances, take 100/(100 + resistance value), this is the number that damage dealt to you is multiplied by to see how much HP you will lose when hit. Turns out 39 armor would give a 28% reduction in AD dealt to you. [( 100/139 = ~0.72) , ( 0.72-1 = -0.28 )] To calculate effective health you need to multiply your health by 0.28 and add that value to your total health. Giving 1589 effective health vs AD without either Cloth Armor or Ruby Crystal. Punch in the numbers for Cloth Armor (add 15 to 39, giving 54) and you'll find that Cloth Armor increases Kassadin's effective HP vs AD to 1676. 1676 - 1589 = 87. Therefore Cloth Armor gives 87 HP to Kassadin at level 6, vs AD. Ruby Crystal gives 150 vs all damage types for a minor 100 gold difference. If you do the calculations for Null Magic Mantle, you'll find it comes out to a similarly small amount of effective health and costs more than a Ruby Crystal. Therefore, I would argue that mages should always be sitting on bonus HP over bonus resistances in the early game. As the game progresses and other champions buy items that do % max health or % current health damage, the math changes and the HP stat takes a hit in effective value. Also, champs like Aurora who have % hp damage passively sitting in their kit makes Null Magic Mantle more valuable against her than it usually would be. However, at level 6 before she finishes Liandry's, a Ruby Crystal still gives better stats even though she will be doing more chip damage to you. If you then apply this math vs Assassins who stack flat penetration, you need to understand how much effective health they're taking from you. Since the damage reduction calculation is 100/(100 + resistance value) you'll find that as you increase your resistances, you will get diminished returns on your effective health as it increases. At level 6, without resistance items, Kassadin is handed 348 HP effective in the form of his Armor stat. Flat pen will reduce that value, significantly. Just a Serrated Dirk that gives 10 Lethality, is reducing that effective HP to 279, so Ruby Crystal is still more effective than Cloth armor, but if you're up against say 28 lethality suddenly that value drops to 123 effective HP. So Cloth Armor would return it to 256, for a 133 hp difference, putting it just under the value of a Ruby Crystal and costs less, making it more valuable per gold spent. Making decision making a little easier when your team feeds your laner during neutral objectives like Dragon. Just buy a Ruby Crystal to counter the damage they gain unless they are able to afford enough flat pen to reduce your resistance to 15 or less. All of this only reinforces the necessity of purchasing a Refillable Potion or even stocking up on 1 or 2 HP potions each time you back during the laning phase in every lane. They're amazing items that provide you with an insane amount of value during the early game for the same reasons you stated.
@fraternaljunction8359Күн бұрын
Top lane weak btw
@ethanarnold9542Күн бұрын
Hey Coach Shok, awesome guide. What are your thoughts on Rabadon’s second on Syndra? Tim has been preaching it, and I think it’s good, but I find myself wanting a defensive item earlier in difficult games (double assassin mid jg, etc). Do you think it’s viable to go Ludens into Zhonya’s or should you always wait until third item to build defensive on Syndra specifically? I posed this question to Tim and his answer was basically that Rabadons second is almost always best. What’s your hypothesis?
@Austinian93Күн бұрын
I mostly play ap junglers like fiddlesticks and lillia and this video was still super helpful
@rafaelsandoval95Күн бұрын
!opgg
@Wetupetu2 күн бұрын
Thank you for this incredibly informative video, but i would have liked you to have talked more about itemization for Cassiopeia, i.e. when to build which items on her :)
@Soritaaa2 күн бұрын
Please we need AD!
@brendilladederp2 күн бұрын
I feel so stupid… I’ve been hard stuck plat forever and I learned soooo much in this video as a mid main. Thank you so much shok
@creeper123002 күн бұрын
what are your thoughts on ryze and ROA? It seems the majority of people always buy it on him, but you make a good point that its more of a neutralizer then anything else. Is there a lot of lanes where ryze can forgo roa? Is the mana and health too worth on him to ignore?
@SpencerWheelman2 күн бұрын
Gotta say, Shok, you're so articulate and quick speaking that anyone else sounds slow
@Killerkillergrim1232 күн бұрын
A comment for giving a timeline, good luck with the algorithm👍
@brendilladederp2 күн бұрын
Why is Zoe c tier? All you said was she’s a unique champ. She’s my favorite character
@citizencj33892 күн бұрын
Been doing manaless deathcap rush on lissandra witha first back dark seal and boots. Shit is DISGUSTING.
@VannyPlays_2 күн бұрын
I'm loving these new edits!!
@VannyPlays_2 күн бұрын
That little Intro was dope! ❤
@ranolol2 күн бұрын
I only buy Oblivion orb if I play Kassadin against Sylas and I'm losing. Then it allows me to neutralize his trades by pressing E as soon as he dashes in. I also never complete the item.
@spurscoys73852 күн бұрын
I understand the azir point but i just spammed him in arena to make sure i could pilot and mechanically execute his kit. He doesn't feel that hard once you are comfortable piloting him.
@spurscoys73852 күн бұрын
I decided to 1 trick azir. Iron 4 hardstuck to gold 1 in a month.
@bjelke272 күн бұрын
i wish this existed before i had to spend 6 hours theory crafting and testing best possible ap malphite build
@Sawyer.Hitchcock3 күн бұрын
what item would you recommend for first item on brand?
@rodrigoe.martinmusri87753 күн бұрын
I PERMA-BAN Yone in the 100% of the games, Ranked, Unranked, Arena, Aram, URF, Swarm, TFT, in the job, sleeping, walking, waching TV, etc. I hate Him, is too strong and Riot dont nerf him
@nfefx3 күн бұрын
Curtis showing big bias with Ori placement, probably because he learned her 12 years ago. She should be solidly in B tier, ball management is not a "high bronze low silver" ability. Putting them next to Ahri and one step from Malz for the purposes of this tier list is insane.
@cruciiality62183 күн бұрын
would've been hillarious if this was a 20 minute video on how to press the B button
@hebny19563 күн бұрын
I’m a low diamond player, recently I play a lot of karthus, earing your tough on black fire kinda made me question my build a bit, as jg i could understand that you could skip chapter, but if I’m playing him botlane chapter is very good yet I found not much value in malignance, even for the r cdr. Anyway hope you can help, english isn’t my first language sorry
@iTzTiMeToJuMp3 күн бұрын
Lol literally watched this then went over to Nemesis's stream and saw him using Blackfire Torch. idk anymore :(
@Degushi_023 күн бұрын
With all due respect, I think if the objective is climbing, maybe reducing your stream hours would be for the best. I know you play incredibly well, there is no room for doubting it, but the long hours are really taking a toll on your LP. I imagine that as a content creator it is important to maintain a certain level of streaming, but everyday I see the title and by the end of the stream you have less LP than when you started 6h ago, which I also think might be very frustrating for you, as it is for me as a watcher and someone who is rooting for you every game.
@kadihameha3 күн бұрын
Helps a lot ty brother
@alexkus6913 күн бұрын
My own two cents, the seraph's embrace in your Hwei vs Ekko game is only a good item in theory. You never procced the shield in 16 minutes of gameplay and barely had it stacked by 15 min in. The game ends at 16:25. I think if you went Ludens Companion into Horizon Focus you would have a lot more pressure on your wave, you would have done sticky damage to his health bar at core moments and also the liminal backs you did where you had bad gold amounts would have felt good if they were just amp tome pickups. Ending the game 1/1/1 while not doing anything ostensibly bad in lane when your adc and support are 15 kp is bad. If you get a couple spells off and then vi flash r's you its actually good for your team this game, because they aren't dogpiling your ashe. I think Seraphs is a noob trap item tbh except in pro games.
@matthewknightknight54904 күн бұрын
so quick question for the chat. I wanted t add a more blind pickable champ to my champ pool. Do yall think Taliyah would work? i main Syndra and Vel'koz but neither are really the best blind picks. Thoughts?
@shadowassasin69644 күн бұрын
very informative thank you!
@The_Schmizz4 күн бұрын
hey shok when abouts was this i wanna go thru ur vods and find that jayce game lol
@The_Scouts_Code4 күн бұрын
What about Teemo specifically where his AP ratios are mediocre, should DCap be prioritised then? @25:35
@mastersplinter19504 күн бұрын
TY for great vid, I love Chovy Vex he is so far ahead of literally everyone playing her its crazy I would love to see her as a niche pick at worlds so everyone can see and enjoy undoubted best vex
@davincibaker4 күн бұрын
Very good video, God bless you.
@The_Schmizz4 күн бұрын
lol cool tier list but i hate this meta. adcs are gross but also like i kinda doubt any of this applies to low elo cause who tf plays around their team in silver. Jg says i invade topside with no prio top or mid and i spam ping when im collapsed on. Or river fight with bot prio and somehow enemy bot is there first and still got the wave. I dunno but i dont like adcs either way lol
@UrAwsome554 күн бұрын
Shok taught me to be a RoA hater. I only build it on Cassiopeia after getting bamboozled in champ select. Yone support and Lux mid was a wild thing to have experienced in Solo queue.
@Library4Lich4 күн бұрын
You are the absolute goat of LoL youtube content, I could watch a video like this that's 5x the length I have 1 question, I've been thinking that SHadowflame is overrated on Viktor and I'm a gold/plat Viktor spammer (xD) so when I saw that pros build SHadowflame almost exclusively I decided to suck it up and start building it as well instead of Ludens What I found out is that sometimes you can get the ashes early and poke with them and since laser is low CD high range you consistently get DMG out of it without caring whether you waste it on the creepwave like Ludens So it basically empowers every laser you throw out instead of 1 strong and the rest without on hits effects its kinda like consistency of all lasers over spike dmg on 1 target which can often be the wrong one to waste ludens on in a teamfight BUT that being said it's still not amazing and draws tower aggro if you harass under turret for a while after so I don't know, would you recommend just ignoring it even though like 80% of high level Viktor players play with Shadowflame?
@CloudsOfDespair4 күн бұрын
I've been experimenting with Akali builds, and I've found that Sundered Sky and Luden's are quite good on her as first items. Sundered is very situational since it's nerf, so I've mostly dropped it expect into Vayne top, but the Luden's change to the passive shots bumped it above Lichbane in both push power, poke, and all ins. The mana being wasted doesn't matter because the core stats are equivalent and Ludens is cheaper. I've found success with Luden's into Lichbane/Liandry.
@puute48875 күн бұрын
Can this logic of situational items build order be aplied to ad champs as well? Like always build ad situational items 3rd and last
@luckyflycat71215 күн бұрын
Can you do a video on how to roam as mage. For example should I roam when the enemy is assassin like zed or kat. Sometimes they just don’t care about the wave and roam but still got kill. In low elo ping do not help.
@samuellee49515 күн бұрын
This video deserves a follow
@ravengod88085 күн бұрын
For akali would it be best to go rocketbelt into lich bane or shadowflame?
@xtinct65845 күн бұрын
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@sang_from_rushhour30095 күн бұрын
What about Deathfire Grasp? Unless its not available on SR map. Apologize in advance I just came back to the game since 2020.
@alec74525 күн бұрын
What about for a champ like Aurora, where you value the raw stats RoA gives you? Would you say it's better to avoid RoA outside of the neutralisation situations you described and go something like Blackfire instead?
@donmattimus27765 күн бұрын
This is so good even for me who have played this game for 8 years
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I have a question, why we would ward the side the enemy jg is at min 4? wouldn't it be safer to hug and ward the opposite side where the enemy jg is?
My possible self-answer: A ward where the enemy jg is would be more valuable so at least we can get a confirmation of the enemy jg position if he shows up there
I thought you were just gonna skip over antiheal 😂. For example I played dark harvest lux against Tryndamere mid + Soraka yesterday and rushing oblivion orb had me with like 10+ Harvest stacks just from laning. But yea...not a ton of situations you would need it. Went orb > sorcs > blackfire then theu ff'd early.
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Did you think about making a tier list after every patch? Or atleast put a comment on video with patch 14.14 to 14.15 if we had a really small changes and we dont need another video ? U have a very good deep info by constan playing so i gain a lot information from u, especially when i have break 1 or 2 week from league. Ofcourse it was request/petition. Greetings from Poland. Gl in Korea!
TLDR, Buy Ruby Crystal early, Resistance Items suck on Mages.... So I crunched the numbers using Kassadin's base stats at level 6, all of the following math is purely to show that resistances can be converted into HP for easy comparisons. I'm using Kassadin as my example because I was a Kassadin OTP in seasons 1-4. A defensive item, such as Cloth Armor vs a pure health item like Ruby Crystal. Kassadin has 19 + 4 per level armor and 646 + 119 per level health. Giving him 39 armor and 1241 hp at level 6. To calculate the damage reduction from resistances, take 100/(100 + resistance value), this is the number that damage dealt to you is multiplied by to see how much HP you will lose when hit. Turns out 39 armor would give a 28% reduction in AD dealt to you. [( 100/139 = ~0.72) , ( 0.72-1 = -0.28 )] To calculate effective health you need to multiply your health by 0.28 and add that value to your total health. Giving 1589 effective health vs AD without either Cloth Armor or Ruby Crystal. Punch in the numbers for Cloth Armor (add 15 to 39, giving 54) and you'll find that Cloth Armor increases Kassadin's effective HP vs AD to 1676. 1676 - 1589 = 87. Therefore Cloth Armor gives 87 HP to Kassadin at level 6, vs AD. Ruby Crystal gives 150 vs all damage types for a minor 100 gold difference. If you do the calculations for Null Magic Mantle, you'll find it comes out to a similarly small amount of effective health and costs more than a Ruby Crystal. Therefore, I would argue that mages should always be sitting on bonus HP over bonus resistances in the early game. As the game progresses and other champions buy items that do % max health or % current health damage, the math changes and the HP stat takes a hit in effective value. Also, champs like Aurora who have % hp damage passively sitting in their kit makes Null Magic Mantle more valuable against her than it usually would be. However, at level 6 before she finishes Liandry's, a Ruby Crystal still gives better stats even though she will be doing more chip damage to you. If you then apply this math vs Assassins who stack flat penetration, you need to understand how much effective health they're taking from you. Since the damage reduction calculation is 100/(100 + resistance value) you'll find that as you increase your resistances, you will get diminished returns on your effective health as it increases. At level 6, without resistance items, Kassadin is handed 348 HP effective in the form of his Armor stat. Flat pen will reduce that value, significantly. Just a Serrated Dirk that gives 10 Lethality, is reducing that effective HP to 279, so Ruby Crystal is still more effective than Cloth armor, but if you're up against say 28 lethality suddenly that value drops to 123 effective HP. So Cloth Armor would return it to 256, for a 133 hp difference, putting it just under the value of a Ruby Crystal and costs less, making it more valuable per gold spent. Making decision making a little easier when your team feeds your laner during neutral objectives like Dragon. Just buy a Ruby Crystal to counter the damage they gain unless they are able to afford enough flat pen to reduce your resistance to 15 or less. All of this only reinforces the necessity of purchasing a Refillable Potion or even stocking up on 1 or 2 HP potions each time you back during the laning phase in every lane. They're amazing items that provide you with an insane amount of value during the early game for the same reasons you stated.
Top lane weak btw
Hey Coach Shok, awesome guide. What are your thoughts on Rabadon’s second on Syndra? Tim has been preaching it, and I think it’s good, but I find myself wanting a defensive item earlier in difficult games (double assassin mid jg, etc). Do you think it’s viable to go Ludens into Zhonya’s or should you always wait until third item to build defensive on Syndra specifically? I posed this question to Tim and his answer was basically that Rabadons second is almost always best. What’s your hypothesis?
I mostly play ap junglers like fiddlesticks and lillia and this video was still super helpful
!opgg
Thank you for this incredibly informative video, but i would have liked you to have talked more about itemization for Cassiopeia, i.e. when to build which items on her :)
Please we need AD!
I feel so stupid… I’ve been hard stuck plat forever and I learned soooo much in this video as a mid main. Thank you so much shok
what are your thoughts on ryze and ROA? It seems the majority of people always buy it on him, but you make a good point that its more of a neutralizer then anything else. Is there a lot of lanes where ryze can forgo roa? Is the mana and health too worth on him to ignore?
Gotta say, Shok, you're so articulate and quick speaking that anyone else sounds slow
A comment for giving a timeline, good luck with the algorithm👍
Why is Zoe c tier? All you said was she’s a unique champ. She’s my favorite character
Been doing manaless deathcap rush on lissandra witha first back dark seal and boots. Shit is DISGUSTING.
I'm loving these new edits!!
That little Intro was dope! ❤
I only buy Oblivion orb if I play Kassadin against Sylas and I'm losing. Then it allows me to neutralize his trades by pressing E as soon as he dashes in. I also never complete the item.
I understand the azir point but i just spammed him in arena to make sure i could pilot and mechanically execute his kit. He doesn't feel that hard once you are comfortable piloting him.
I decided to 1 trick azir. Iron 4 hardstuck to gold 1 in a month.
i wish this existed before i had to spend 6 hours theory crafting and testing best possible ap malphite build
what item would you recommend for first item on brand?
I PERMA-BAN Yone in the 100% of the games, Ranked, Unranked, Arena, Aram, URF, Swarm, TFT, in the job, sleeping, walking, waching TV, etc. I hate Him, is too strong and Riot dont nerf him
Curtis showing big bias with Ori placement, probably because he learned her 12 years ago. She should be solidly in B tier, ball management is not a "high bronze low silver" ability. Putting them next to Ahri and one step from Malz for the purposes of this tier list is insane.
would've been hillarious if this was a 20 minute video on how to press the B button
I’m a low diamond player, recently I play a lot of karthus, earing your tough on black fire kinda made me question my build a bit, as jg i could understand that you could skip chapter, but if I’m playing him botlane chapter is very good yet I found not much value in malignance, even for the r cdr. Anyway hope you can help, english isn’t my first language sorry
Lol literally watched this then went over to Nemesis's stream and saw him using Blackfire Torch. idk anymore :(
With all due respect, I think if the objective is climbing, maybe reducing your stream hours would be for the best. I know you play incredibly well, there is no room for doubting it, but the long hours are really taking a toll on your LP. I imagine that as a content creator it is important to maintain a certain level of streaming, but everyday I see the title and by the end of the stream you have less LP than when you started 6h ago, which I also think might be very frustrating for you, as it is for me as a watcher and someone who is rooting for you every game.
Helps a lot ty brother
My own two cents, the seraph's embrace in your Hwei vs Ekko game is only a good item in theory. You never procced the shield in 16 minutes of gameplay and barely had it stacked by 15 min in. The game ends at 16:25. I think if you went Ludens Companion into Horizon Focus you would have a lot more pressure on your wave, you would have done sticky damage to his health bar at core moments and also the liminal backs you did where you had bad gold amounts would have felt good if they were just amp tome pickups. Ending the game 1/1/1 while not doing anything ostensibly bad in lane when your adc and support are 15 kp is bad. If you get a couple spells off and then vi flash r's you its actually good for your team this game, because they aren't dogpiling your ashe. I think Seraphs is a noob trap item tbh except in pro games.
so quick question for the chat. I wanted t add a more blind pickable champ to my champ pool. Do yall think Taliyah would work? i main Syndra and Vel'koz but neither are really the best blind picks. Thoughts?
very informative thank you!
hey shok when abouts was this i wanna go thru ur vods and find that jayce game lol
What about Teemo specifically where his AP ratios are mediocre, should DCap be prioritised then? @25:35
TY for great vid, I love Chovy Vex he is so far ahead of literally everyone playing her its crazy I would love to see her as a niche pick at worlds so everyone can see and enjoy undoubted best vex
Very good video, God bless you.
lol cool tier list but i hate this meta. adcs are gross but also like i kinda doubt any of this applies to low elo cause who tf plays around their team in silver. Jg says i invade topside with no prio top or mid and i spam ping when im collapsed on. Or river fight with bot prio and somehow enemy bot is there first and still got the wave. I dunno but i dont like adcs either way lol
Shok taught me to be a RoA hater. I only build it on Cassiopeia after getting bamboozled in champ select. Yone support and Lux mid was a wild thing to have experienced in Solo queue.
You are the absolute goat of LoL youtube content, I could watch a video like this that's 5x the length I have 1 question, I've been thinking that SHadowflame is overrated on Viktor and I'm a gold/plat Viktor spammer (xD) so when I saw that pros build SHadowflame almost exclusively I decided to suck it up and start building it as well instead of Ludens What I found out is that sometimes you can get the ashes early and poke with them and since laser is low CD high range you consistently get DMG out of it without caring whether you waste it on the creepwave like Ludens So it basically empowers every laser you throw out instead of 1 strong and the rest without on hits effects its kinda like consistency of all lasers over spike dmg on 1 target which can often be the wrong one to waste ludens on in a teamfight BUT that being said it's still not amazing and draws tower aggro if you harass under turret for a while after so I don't know, would you recommend just ignoring it even though like 80% of high level Viktor players play with Shadowflame?
I've been experimenting with Akali builds, and I've found that Sundered Sky and Luden's are quite good on her as first items. Sundered is very situational since it's nerf, so I've mostly dropped it expect into Vayne top, but the Luden's change to the passive shots bumped it above Lichbane in both push power, poke, and all ins. The mana being wasted doesn't matter because the core stats are equivalent and Ludens is cheaper. I've found success with Luden's into Lichbane/Liandry.
Can this logic of situational items build order be aplied to ad champs as well? Like always build ad situational items 3rd and last
Can you do a video on how to roam as mage. For example should I roam when the enemy is assassin like zed or kat. Sometimes they just don’t care about the wave and roam but still got kill. In low elo ping do not help.
This video deserves a follow
For akali would it be best to go rocketbelt into lich bane or shadowflame?
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What about Deathfire Grasp? Unless its not available on SR map. Apologize in advance I just came back to the game since 2020.
What about for a champ like Aurora, where you value the raw stats RoA gives you? Would you say it's better to avoid RoA outside of the neutralisation situations you described and go something like Blackfire instead?
This is so good even for me who have played this game for 8 years