what happens to cult of skaro between doomsday and stolen earth?
@alltradesjack50211 күн бұрын
Good stuff, but you're going about this wrong. Some of these two parters you've kept should be trimmed down to one episode. It makes sense to keep in the Cyber episodes since that is part of the finale, as you say, but that means you have Cybermen in 4/8 episodes of season 2.
@danzibore16 күн бұрын
I do these every day and guessed in the exact same way as you with the exact same reasoning 😂
@liamclarkson431616 күн бұрын
I got more or less the same for Series 9 and 10. For Series 8, I would remove Listen and have Kill the Moon instead (mainly because of Courtney and the ending of Moon would explain Clara's 'last hurrah' in Mummy).
@liamclarkson431616 күн бұрын
I had a go at making Series 1-13 as 8 part episodes. Series 6 was quite tricky to do. As Series 7B already has 8 episodes I cheated and had those for the 2013 series and added 3 extra episodes onto 7A to make a new 2012 series (the extra 3 episodes were stories cut from Series 6).
@averagechannel681416 күн бұрын
Great video mate.
@JoshMartinJones16 күн бұрын
Thanks 👍
@Caffi_UK16 күн бұрын
You do get repeats by the way. In fact, it was this one only 2 weeks ago.
@JoshMartinJones16 күн бұрын
Oh really?!
@Caffi_UK18 күн бұрын
Got this in 1 😎
@Drwhofan0817 күн бұрын
I haven’t done this yet but I would have got it in one
@Caffi_UK18 күн бұрын
I could tell it was chibnall era but i botched this one, getting it in 5 😂
@Caffi_UK19 күн бұрын
Got Rose first try Guessed Listen, then Time Heist, then Caretaker
@JoshMartinJones19 күн бұрын
Legend
@Caffi_UK20 күн бұрын
I guessed the exact same way as you 😭😭😭
@ValueNetwork21 күн бұрын
I thought i would try my own version of this condensation, so here’s my list Series 1: Rose (it’s now a Christmas special so S1 technically has 9 eps. From Now on assume that all Christmas episodes have been kept) The end of the world (it’s now episode 1 just like space babies). The unquiet dead (we need a solid historical for the first season. Also I really like the episode) Dalek Father’s Day Emptychild/doctor dances Bad Wolf/parting of the ways. Series 2: New Earth (episode 1. the face of boe appearances need to be kept IMO) Tooth and claw (Torchwood setup, plus you kinda need a “monster of the week” in who) Rise of Cybermen/age of steel (this is the only episode that I’ve moved to a different spot in the timeline, it needs to be a mid season episode to maintain the reveal of the Cybermens return in Army of ghosts, but i don’t have any episodes from the later half of S2 making the cut so I moved School reunion & girl in the fireplace down!) School reunion. (For Sarah Jane obviously) Girl in the fireplace Army of ghosts/Doomsday Series 3: Smith and Jones Gridlock (for the face of boe) Daleks in manhattan rewritten as a 1 parter. (This is the first story that i would have to rewrite to fit in this format. The Human Dalek is important to show and Caan needs to escape for the S4 finale) Lazarus experiment (it’s needed to establish the aging tech for the finale) Human nature/Family of blood Utopia/Sound of drums rewritten as a 2 parter (last of the time lords has to be cut so this can be 8 episodes, so the time jump for the year that never was has to happen half way through last of the time lords for a more condensed finale. This is easily the season that suffers the most from the length cuts. Blink getting cut is a travesty but i couldn’t think of a way to naturally make Human nature/family of blood a 1 parter.) Series 4: Partners in crime (needs to stay) Fires of Pompeii Planet of the Ood (I cut impossible planet, so the ood need a new introductory episode, we also need to establish that 10 is leaving) Silence in the library/forest of the dead (for river) Turn left (I sadly cut midnight, I had to pick one of the lite episodes to cut, and turn left ties into the finale so I spared it) The stolen earth/journeys end. GOD this really shows how the show suffers from a shortened episode count. Unlike you I tried to pick plot/story arc importance over episode quality, leading to some unfortunate cuts like blink and midnight. You really can’t have filler in these limited seasons!
@BillWhovian21 күн бұрын
Great video! I've really enjoyed all of these. I was wondering if you'd want to do a collab on What If Season 1 Had 13 Episodes? :)
@juliet1203_21 күн бұрын
Got in 1. Not too difficult imo
@ItsButterBean102021 күн бұрын
I’m kinda curious to see the opposite eventually; what would Series 14 look like if we got the full 13 episode run?
@joshberninger835521 күн бұрын
I’d keep season 8 as you put it, but Caretaker would be reworked more to include the character beats from Kill the Moon and end with Clara telling off the Doctor and leaving. Season 9 is tough. I’d keep your options but if possible I’d turn Under the Flood two parter and Zygon two parter into single episodes. Wouldn’t be as strong but both are worthy, be a shame to lose either. But given the option I’d go with Zygon since has Unit back and the speech. Series 10 I’d keep Thin Ice and get rid of Smile. I’d try to condense the Monk trilogy into a 2 parter and keep Empress of Mars. Think to do the story arc well we need one random adventure with Missy on the team between the Monk trilogy and the finale.
@The_major_A21 күн бұрын
I got it in 4
@jjjeffersonmusic817021 күн бұрын
Yeh you can feel the truncated season by havin 8 episodes in Series 5, as it was the perfect number of episodes and I never skip a single one during a marathon
@matthewvivian723521 күн бұрын
I get that you've picked mostly the best and story arc relevant episodes, but it kind of misses the point of a time travel show, because almost all of these seasons end up being vast majority modern day earth episodes.
@elpaka765421 күн бұрын
I'd personally 100% cut Smile to include Thin Ice. Thin Ice just does so much to solidify Bill and the Doctor's dynamic.
@samwitherington820222 күн бұрын
Prediction for Season 11 and 12: Season 11: Episode 1&2: The Woman who Fell to Earth and Ghost Monument (both follow after each other, and introduce the main characters) Episode 3: Rosa (historical, and sets up conflict between the characters) Episode 4: Arachnids in the UK (establish Home life of companions) Cut The Tsuranga Conundrum, its irrelevant Episode 5: Demons of The Punjab (development of Yaz further) Episode 6: Kerblam! (First trip to future stuff, and is kinda fun) Cut Witchfinder, Rosa is already an historical Episode 7: It Takes You Away (Graham centric episode) Episode 8: The Battle Of Whatever it was called (finale) Season 12: Episode 1&2: Spyfall Part 1 and 2 (reintroduction of the Master, crucial to the finale) Cut Orphan 55, not enough going on to justify keeping it Episode 3: Nikola Tesla's night of terror (really fun, and I think it should stay) Episode 4: Fugitive of the Judoon (plot stuff) Cut Praxeus, too many earth based, and it isn't that fun Episode 5: Can You Hear Me? (Experimental and quality, I like it) Episode 6, 7 & 8: Hanuting Of Villa Diodate, Ascension of The Cybermen, Timeless Child (three part finale, needed for lore stuff)
@airfin477722 күн бұрын
I don't think think Mummy on the Orient Express works as well without Kill the Moon as a leadin, but I would hate to waste a slot on that one. My solution would be to move Into the Dalek to the slot before Mummy. I could see the Doctor's extreme callousness in that one leading to a Kill the Moon-style blowup with Clara, better than anything he does in The Caretaker. And actually I think "you were just pretending to be heartless" in Mummy fits Into the Dalek a bit better than Kill the Moon.
@RegianOne22 күн бұрын
The doctor falls shows that the master could not return in any other incarnation, unless their is a solid explanation as to how the Master escaped a time Loop in which the Master played key roles in Fixed points in time, that saved the Doctor's life more than once.
@RegianOne22 күн бұрын
Either means that there is no money for 13 episodes, or no good stories.
@robo300722 күн бұрын
My favourite era of the show! These are the episodes I'd keep: Series 8: 1. Into the Dalek 2. Listen 3. Time Heist 4. Kill the Moon 5. Mummy on the Orient Express 6. Flatline 7. Deep Water 8. Death in Heaven Series 9: 1. The Magician's Apprentice 2. The Witch's Familiar 3. Under the Lake 4. Before the Flood 5. The Zygon Invasion 6. The Zygon Inversion 7. Face the Raven 8. Heaven Sent Series 10: 1. The Pilot 2. Smile 3. Thin Ice 4. Knock Knock 5. Oxygen 6. Extremis 7. World Enough and Time 8. The Doctor Falls
@Leylaashley22 күн бұрын
It's happening for a reason. Everyone else is starting to figure it out. There's a hidden message. And the 8 episodes is intentional and it isn't gonna change soon
@Zomballfish0722 күн бұрын
Can’t skip under the lake and before the flood, it’s easily the best 2 parter of the series
@dalekbbcfan158222 күн бұрын
Please do what if Torchwood and the Sarah Jane adventures had 8 episodes because the changes to the other doctor who series's changes the the Spin offs stories.
@Gay_Jesus22 күн бұрын
Skipping time heist, yet keeping into the dalek should be a war crime by itself, skipping under the lake and before the flood should be punishable by 4 billion years in a confession tial
@joefreeman308722 күн бұрын
I think series 7 is the only time I could live with as an 8 episode series, but once again just because your choices stress me out doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate your time and dedication to these videos!❤
@LibertyBridgeProductions22 күн бұрын
This shows a lot because we have to miss out on Robot of Sherwood, Before the Flood, under the lake and thin ice (one of my favourites) and they’re amazing. Also I would like to see Eaters of the light, empress of Mars and even kill the moon tbh.
@Leon_Tyler22 күн бұрын
I can see it's slightly easier to cut capaldis series with a few meh episodes. I always thought empress of Mars and eaters of light were just very filler imo. If Capaldis series was cut to 10 episodes, I think his series might be a bit better paced and cut the filler
@imafgc22 күн бұрын
This is an interesting concept to think about. I'm not a fan of the 8 episode format and ideas like this really showcases the problem. I know why you chose 8 but I might do my own version of this with 9 episodes (as iirc on disney the church on ruby road is listed as episode one)
@joefreeman308722 күн бұрын
I think the only criticism I’d have of your episode rejigging from Series 1-10 is the fact that keeping so many 2-parters makes the series even shorter in terms of a story count. Like I can’t imagine Tennant’s first series essentially only having 5 stories.
@joefreeman308722 күн бұрын
I love how much work you’ve put into these, but the structures of these would be series from a narrative point sets my autistic brain on fire 😂 just further proof that the series’ thrive on at least 10 episodes.
@terrapin847422 күн бұрын
Series 8: 1. Deep Breath 2. Listen 3. Time Heist 4. Kill the Moon 5. Mummy on the Orient Express 6. Flatline 7. Dark Water 8. Death in Heaven Series 9: 1. The Magician's Apprentice 2. The Witch's Familiar 3. Under the Lake 4. The Girl Who Died 5. The Zygon Invasion 6. Face the Raven 7. Heaven Sent 8. Hell Bent Series 10: 1. The Pilot 2. Thin Ice 3. Oxygen 4. Extremis 5. The Pyramid at the End of the World 6. Lie of the Land 7. World Enough and Time 8. The Doctor Falls
@LordNicoDiAngelo22 күн бұрын
Nah I fw gridlock way more than Shakespeare code imo
@tom_461522 күн бұрын
For s10 I would condense the pyramid trilogy into two episodes because I think there’s a lot of fat there that could be trimmed and then I’d bring back in thin ice because that episode is fantastic
@joshberninger835521 күн бұрын
Yea I was trying to think how best to trim it. It definitely wouldn’t be as strong but it seems the best choice.
@purplef0xx22 күн бұрын
Personally I think I'd replace Smile with Thin Ice, the scene with Bill asking the Doctor if he remembered how many people he had killed is crucial to their development and the thing missing from Ncuti and Millies dynamic in series 14/season 1
@ThePonderer22 күн бұрын
Happy to lose Kill the Moon, even if I’d be gutted to not have Jenna Coleman’s performance in that final scene. I personally feel like Dark water and Death in Heaven drags as a two-parter, so I’d make it one hour long episode and keep Time Heist. Overall I’ve always found Series 8 to be just ok, and I feel like its overall quality as a run of stories isn’t really impacted much by these cuts. For series 9, condensing Ashildir’s pair of episodes into one doesn’t work for me at all. Those are two very different feeling stories in terms of tone, and smashing together into a single piece wouldn’t work. I’d sooner make the Zygon Invasion/Inversion one episode, since I think a lot of that first episode drags. I say condense the Zygon story, and while you’re at it condense the Opener, then keep the Girl Who Died/Women who Lived separate and condense Under the Lake/Before the Flood so that can be told in the leftover slot. Wouldn’t mind losing Sleep No More though. Series 10- I cannot sanction removing a story as perfect as Thin Ice, so keeping that one. I don’t care for Lie of the Land, so nix that one and find a way to satisfyingly end the story with Pyramid at the End of the World. Aside from that I can get behind the cuts here. The only issue with cutting Lie of the Land, Empress of Mars, and Eaters of Light is that we then lose all of the proper buildup to Missy’s turnaround.
@amazingdisgrace168422 күн бұрын
For Missy's turnaround in Series 10, the stuff with her at the back-end of the series could be moved earlier. Another commenter suggested they would remove the Monk trilogy, which I think works despite those episodes being (mostly) good. All you would need to do is take the Missy stuff and put it in some earlier episodes. Maybe easier said than done, but I think it's a sound idea. Most of Missy's contributions don't _really_ tie in to the specific episodes, so I think they could be placed elsewhere quite easily.
@harrymcdonough22 күн бұрын
You know this really made me reflect on Series 8, it has some great moments
@thewhocritic22 күн бұрын
In series 8 I agree with you but I’d swap Listen for Kill the Moon because that episode really pushes the Doctor & Clara’s relationship to breaking point. Series 9 I’d agree with you completely. Series 10 I would have: The Pilot, Thin Ice, Knock Knock, Oxygen, Extremis, TPATEOTW/The Lie of the Land (combined into one because the former is VERY boring & enough could be cut from the pair imo), World Enough & Time and The Doctor Falls.
@Ibzz24922 күн бұрын
love these vides
@fathm462322 күн бұрын
As much as Kill The Moon kind of sucks the entire dynamic between Clara and the Doctor in Mummy on the Orient Express happens directly because of the circumstances of that episode, that episode doesn't work without that happening so I feel like we can't really include one without the other, spo as good as Mummy is I feel like it should be swapped for Robots of Sherwood so that theres a historical in S8
@Creek93222 күн бұрын
This really goes to show how 8 episodes just isn’t enough for this show. So many great episodes and important character development would have been skipped.
@titanictotired22 күн бұрын
I think I might just give how I would do this because why not: Agree with series 8 so no changes. Series 9: -keep first 4 stories so condense into one-part each, (so The Zygon Invasion/Inversion is ep 4. This leaves us with 4 episodes left which would be sleep no more then the 3-part finale. Series 10: 1. The Pilot, 2. Thin Ice, 3. Oxygen - condense monk trilogy into 2 parts, being episodes 4 and 5, 6. Empress of Mars and 7+8 are the 2-part finale. (Losing Smile, Knock Knock and The Eaters of Light)
@elpaka765421 күн бұрын
Completely agree with this. Condensing the Zygon episodes might actually improve them. But I struggle to see how the Monk trilogy cold be condensed into 2 episodes, seeing as they are basically 3 different standalone stories. Extremis is the easiest to cut for story reasons, but it's just the best of the 3, so IMO we should for sure keep it. Maybe The Pyramid and Lie of the Land could be combined, but it would risk rushing it and reducing the impact of the land being taken over.
@doctorwhoproductions83422 күн бұрын
I was against cyberbrig at first but then I thought The Brigadier helping Kate and The Doctor even in death is SO Brigadier, nothing can stop him saving his daughter and The Doctor
@sola_is_chilling22 күн бұрын
i would've switched smile with thin ice... YOU'D NEED TO GIVE A VERY GOOD REASON FOR ME TO REMOVE THIN ICE.
@MoonlightVTOffical22 күн бұрын
Just like Last time here’s my list that I made. Series 8 Episode 1: Deep Breath Episode 2: Into the Dalek Episode 3: Listen Episode 4: The Caretaker Episode 5: Mummy on the Orient Express Episode 6: Flatline Episode 7/8: Death in Heaven Series 9 Episode 1/2: The Magician’s Apprentice Episode 3/4: The Girl Who Died Episode 5: Sleep No More Episode 6: Face the Raven Episode 7/8: Heaven Sent Series 10 Episode 1: The Pilot Episode 2: Smile Episode 3: Thin Ice Episode 4: Knock, Knock Episode 5: Oxygen Episode 6: The Eaters of Light Episode 7/8: The Doctor Falls
@amazingdisgrace168422 күн бұрын
Interesting choice getting rid of the Monk trilogy. But I suppose it makes a lot of sense. Despite being mostly good stuff, it does take up a significant chunk of the series, 1/4. All you would need to account for is the stuff to do with Missy. I think it works. Sure, you lose some really good episodes, but the overall quality of the series doesn't suffer _too_ greatly.
@MoonlightVTOffical22 күн бұрын
@@amazingdisgrace1684 I wanted it in but I didn’t want to also lose Thin Ice and the Eaters of Light or Empress of Mars. I tried getting read of Knock, Knock but that didn’t work. I forgot the stuff about the Missy stuff, which I’m very made that I did. But if I did what he did and slice the Monk Trilogy into one then maybe, but I made this before he did Matt and made that rule.
@amazingdisgrace168422 күн бұрын
@@MoonlightVTOffical The Monk trilogy does make Series 10 a tricky one for sure, especially if you try keeping it in. I think at best you could turn it into a two-parter, but then the question is how would that look? Do you merge Pyramid and Lie? Maybe even do away with Extremis and get straight to business with the Monk's arrival? 🤔 I would've thought getting rid of Knock Knock would be easy, unless there's something significant about that episode I'm forgetting. What other episodes would you absolutely want to keep? If you make the Monk trilogy a two-parter, and assuming the two-part finale is a given, that leaves four other slots to fill. But personally, I still think your idea of just removing the Monk trilogy entirely works really well too, even if it is a shame to lose it.
Пікірлер
what happens to cult of skaro between doomsday and stolen earth?
Good stuff, but you're going about this wrong. Some of these two parters you've kept should be trimmed down to one episode. It makes sense to keep in the Cyber episodes since that is part of the finale, as you say, but that means you have Cybermen in 4/8 episodes of season 2.
I do these every day and guessed in the exact same way as you with the exact same reasoning 😂
I got more or less the same for Series 9 and 10. For Series 8, I would remove Listen and have Kill the Moon instead (mainly because of Courtney and the ending of Moon would explain Clara's 'last hurrah' in Mummy).
I had a go at making Series 1-13 as 8 part episodes. Series 6 was quite tricky to do. As Series 7B already has 8 episodes I cheated and had those for the 2013 series and added 3 extra episodes onto 7A to make a new 2012 series (the extra 3 episodes were stories cut from Series 6).
Great video mate.
Thanks 👍
You do get repeats by the way. In fact, it was this one only 2 weeks ago.
Oh really?!
Got this in 1 😎
I haven’t done this yet but I would have got it in one
I could tell it was chibnall era but i botched this one, getting it in 5 😂
Got Rose first try Guessed Listen, then Time Heist, then Caretaker
Legend
I guessed the exact same way as you 😭😭😭
I thought i would try my own version of this condensation, so here’s my list Series 1: Rose (it’s now a Christmas special so S1 technically has 9 eps. From Now on assume that all Christmas episodes have been kept) The end of the world (it’s now episode 1 just like space babies). The unquiet dead (we need a solid historical for the first season. Also I really like the episode) Dalek Father’s Day Emptychild/doctor dances Bad Wolf/parting of the ways. Series 2: New Earth (episode 1. the face of boe appearances need to be kept IMO) Tooth and claw (Torchwood setup, plus you kinda need a “monster of the week” in who) Rise of Cybermen/age of steel (this is the only episode that I’ve moved to a different spot in the timeline, it needs to be a mid season episode to maintain the reveal of the Cybermens return in Army of ghosts, but i don’t have any episodes from the later half of S2 making the cut so I moved School reunion & girl in the fireplace down!) School reunion. (For Sarah Jane obviously) Girl in the fireplace Army of ghosts/Doomsday Series 3: Smith and Jones Gridlock (for the face of boe) Daleks in manhattan rewritten as a 1 parter. (This is the first story that i would have to rewrite to fit in this format. The Human Dalek is important to show and Caan needs to escape for the S4 finale) Lazarus experiment (it’s needed to establish the aging tech for the finale) Human nature/Family of blood Utopia/Sound of drums rewritten as a 2 parter (last of the time lords has to be cut so this can be 8 episodes, so the time jump for the year that never was has to happen half way through last of the time lords for a more condensed finale. This is easily the season that suffers the most from the length cuts. Blink getting cut is a travesty but i couldn’t think of a way to naturally make Human nature/family of blood a 1 parter.) Series 4: Partners in crime (needs to stay) Fires of Pompeii Planet of the Ood (I cut impossible planet, so the ood need a new introductory episode, we also need to establish that 10 is leaving) Silence in the library/forest of the dead (for river) Turn left (I sadly cut midnight, I had to pick one of the lite episodes to cut, and turn left ties into the finale so I spared it) The stolen earth/journeys end. GOD this really shows how the show suffers from a shortened episode count. Unlike you I tried to pick plot/story arc importance over episode quality, leading to some unfortunate cuts like blink and midnight. You really can’t have filler in these limited seasons!
Great video! I've really enjoyed all of these. I was wondering if you'd want to do a collab on What If Season 1 Had 13 Episodes? :)
Got in 1. Not too difficult imo
I’m kinda curious to see the opposite eventually; what would Series 14 look like if we got the full 13 episode run?
I’d keep season 8 as you put it, but Caretaker would be reworked more to include the character beats from Kill the Moon and end with Clara telling off the Doctor and leaving. Season 9 is tough. I’d keep your options but if possible I’d turn Under the Flood two parter and Zygon two parter into single episodes. Wouldn’t be as strong but both are worthy, be a shame to lose either. But given the option I’d go with Zygon since has Unit back and the speech. Series 10 I’d keep Thin Ice and get rid of Smile. I’d try to condense the Monk trilogy into a 2 parter and keep Empress of Mars. Think to do the story arc well we need one random adventure with Missy on the team between the Monk trilogy and the finale.
I got it in 4
Yeh you can feel the truncated season by havin 8 episodes in Series 5, as it was the perfect number of episodes and I never skip a single one during a marathon
I get that you've picked mostly the best and story arc relevant episodes, but it kind of misses the point of a time travel show, because almost all of these seasons end up being vast majority modern day earth episodes.
I'd personally 100% cut Smile to include Thin Ice. Thin Ice just does so much to solidify Bill and the Doctor's dynamic.
Prediction for Season 11 and 12: Season 11: Episode 1&2: The Woman who Fell to Earth and Ghost Monument (both follow after each other, and introduce the main characters) Episode 3: Rosa (historical, and sets up conflict between the characters) Episode 4: Arachnids in the UK (establish Home life of companions) Cut The Tsuranga Conundrum, its irrelevant Episode 5: Demons of The Punjab (development of Yaz further) Episode 6: Kerblam! (First trip to future stuff, and is kinda fun) Cut Witchfinder, Rosa is already an historical Episode 7: It Takes You Away (Graham centric episode) Episode 8: The Battle Of Whatever it was called (finale) Season 12: Episode 1&2: Spyfall Part 1 and 2 (reintroduction of the Master, crucial to the finale) Cut Orphan 55, not enough going on to justify keeping it Episode 3: Nikola Tesla's night of terror (really fun, and I think it should stay) Episode 4: Fugitive of the Judoon (plot stuff) Cut Praxeus, too many earth based, and it isn't that fun Episode 5: Can You Hear Me? (Experimental and quality, I like it) Episode 6, 7 & 8: Hanuting Of Villa Diodate, Ascension of The Cybermen, Timeless Child (three part finale, needed for lore stuff)
I don't think think Mummy on the Orient Express works as well without Kill the Moon as a leadin, but I would hate to waste a slot on that one. My solution would be to move Into the Dalek to the slot before Mummy. I could see the Doctor's extreme callousness in that one leading to a Kill the Moon-style blowup with Clara, better than anything he does in The Caretaker. And actually I think "you were just pretending to be heartless" in Mummy fits Into the Dalek a bit better than Kill the Moon.
The doctor falls shows that the master could not return in any other incarnation, unless their is a solid explanation as to how the Master escaped a time Loop in which the Master played key roles in Fixed points in time, that saved the Doctor's life more than once.
Either means that there is no money for 13 episodes, or no good stories.
My favourite era of the show! These are the episodes I'd keep: Series 8: 1. Into the Dalek 2. Listen 3. Time Heist 4. Kill the Moon 5. Mummy on the Orient Express 6. Flatline 7. Deep Water 8. Death in Heaven Series 9: 1. The Magician's Apprentice 2. The Witch's Familiar 3. Under the Lake 4. Before the Flood 5. The Zygon Invasion 6. The Zygon Inversion 7. Face the Raven 8. Heaven Sent Series 10: 1. The Pilot 2. Smile 3. Thin Ice 4. Knock Knock 5. Oxygen 6. Extremis 7. World Enough and Time 8. The Doctor Falls
It's happening for a reason. Everyone else is starting to figure it out. There's a hidden message. And the 8 episodes is intentional and it isn't gonna change soon
Can’t skip under the lake and before the flood, it’s easily the best 2 parter of the series
Please do what if Torchwood and the Sarah Jane adventures had 8 episodes because the changes to the other doctor who series's changes the the Spin offs stories.
Skipping time heist, yet keeping into the dalek should be a war crime by itself, skipping under the lake and before the flood should be punishable by 4 billion years in a confession tial
I think series 7 is the only time I could live with as an 8 episode series, but once again just because your choices stress me out doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate your time and dedication to these videos!❤
This shows a lot because we have to miss out on Robot of Sherwood, Before the Flood, under the lake and thin ice (one of my favourites) and they’re amazing. Also I would like to see Eaters of the light, empress of Mars and even kill the moon tbh.
I can see it's slightly easier to cut capaldis series with a few meh episodes. I always thought empress of Mars and eaters of light were just very filler imo. If Capaldis series was cut to 10 episodes, I think his series might be a bit better paced and cut the filler
This is an interesting concept to think about. I'm not a fan of the 8 episode format and ideas like this really showcases the problem. I know why you chose 8 but I might do my own version of this with 9 episodes (as iirc on disney the church on ruby road is listed as episode one)
I think the only criticism I’d have of your episode rejigging from Series 1-10 is the fact that keeping so many 2-parters makes the series even shorter in terms of a story count. Like I can’t imagine Tennant’s first series essentially only having 5 stories.
I love how much work you’ve put into these, but the structures of these would be series from a narrative point sets my autistic brain on fire 😂 just further proof that the series’ thrive on at least 10 episodes.
Series 8: 1. Deep Breath 2. Listen 3. Time Heist 4. Kill the Moon 5. Mummy on the Orient Express 6. Flatline 7. Dark Water 8. Death in Heaven Series 9: 1. The Magician's Apprentice 2. The Witch's Familiar 3. Under the Lake 4. The Girl Who Died 5. The Zygon Invasion 6. Face the Raven 7. Heaven Sent 8. Hell Bent Series 10: 1. The Pilot 2. Thin Ice 3. Oxygen 4. Extremis 5. The Pyramid at the End of the World 6. Lie of the Land 7. World Enough and Time 8. The Doctor Falls
Nah I fw gridlock way more than Shakespeare code imo
For s10 I would condense the pyramid trilogy into two episodes because I think there’s a lot of fat there that could be trimmed and then I’d bring back in thin ice because that episode is fantastic
Yea I was trying to think how best to trim it. It definitely wouldn’t be as strong but it seems the best choice.
Personally I think I'd replace Smile with Thin Ice, the scene with Bill asking the Doctor if he remembered how many people he had killed is crucial to their development and the thing missing from Ncuti and Millies dynamic in series 14/season 1
Happy to lose Kill the Moon, even if I’d be gutted to not have Jenna Coleman’s performance in that final scene. I personally feel like Dark water and Death in Heaven drags as a two-parter, so I’d make it one hour long episode and keep Time Heist. Overall I’ve always found Series 8 to be just ok, and I feel like its overall quality as a run of stories isn’t really impacted much by these cuts. For series 9, condensing Ashildir’s pair of episodes into one doesn’t work for me at all. Those are two very different feeling stories in terms of tone, and smashing together into a single piece wouldn’t work. I’d sooner make the Zygon Invasion/Inversion one episode, since I think a lot of that first episode drags. I say condense the Zygon story, and while you’re at it condense the Opener, then keep the Girl Who Died/Women who Lived separate and condense Under the Lake/Before the Flood so that can be told in the leftover slot. Wouldn’t mind losing Sleep No More though. Series 10- I cannot sanction removing a story as perfect as Thin Ice, so keeping that one. I don’t care for Lie of the Land, so nix that one and find a way to satisfyingly end the story with Pyramid at the End of the World. Aside from that I can get behind the cuts here. The only issue with cutting Lie of the Land, Empress of Mars, and Eaters of Light is that we then lose all of the proper buildup to Missy’s turnaround.
For Missy's turnaround in Series 10, the stuff with her at the back-end of the series could be moved earlier. Another commenter suggested they would remove the Monk trilogy, which I think works despite those episodes being (mostly) good. All you would need to do is take the Missy stuff and put it in some earlier episodes. Maybe easier said than done, but I think it's a sound idea. Most of Missy's contributions don't _really_ tie in to the specific episodes, so I think they could be placed elsewhere quite easily.
You know this really made me reflect on Series 8, it has some great moments
In series 8 I agree with you but I’d swap Listen for Kill the Moon because that episode really pushes the Doctor & Clara’s relationship to breaking point. Series 9 I’d agree with you completely. Series 10 I would have: The Pilot, Thin Ice, Knock Knock, Oxygen, Extremis, TPATEOTW/The Lie of the Land (combined into one because the former is VERY boring & enough could be cut from the pair imo), World Enough & Time and The Doctor Falls.
love these vides
As much as Kill The Moon kind of sucks the entire dynamic between Clara and the Doctor in Mummy on the Orient Express happens directly because of the circumstances of that episode, that episode doesn't work without that happening so I feel like we can't really include one without the other, spo as good as Mummy is I feel like it should be swapped for Robots of Sherwood so that theres a historical in S8
This really goes to show how 8 episodes just isn’t enough for this show. So many great episodes and important character development would have been skipped.
I think I might just give how I would do this because why not: Agree with series 8 so no changes. Series 9: -keep first 4 stories so condense into one-part each, (so The Zygon Invasion/Inversion is ep 4. This leaves us with 4 episodes left which would be sleep no more then the 3-part finale. Series 10: 1. The Pilot, 2. Thin Ice, 3. Oxygen - condense monk trilogy into 2 parts, being episodes 4 and 5, 6. Empress of Mars and 7+8 are the 2-part finale. (Losing Smile, Knock Knock and The Eaters of Light)
Completely agree with this. Condensing the Zygon episodes might actually improve them. But I struggle to see how the Monk trilogy cold be condensed into 2 episodes, seeing as they are basically 3 different standalone stories. Extremis is the easiest to cut for story reasons, but it's just the best of the 3, so IMO we should for sure keep it. Maybe The Pyramid and Lie of the Land could be combined, but it would risk rushing it and reducing the impact of the land being taken over.
I was against cyberbrig at first but then I thought The Brigadier helping Kate and The Doctor even in death is SO Brigadier, nothing can stop him saving his daughter and The Doctor
i would've switched smile with thin ice... YOU'D NEED TO GIVE A VERY GOOD REASON FOR ME TO REMOVE THIN ICE.
Just like Last time here’s my list that I made. Series 8 Episode 1: Deep Breath Episode 2: Into the Dalek Episode 3: Listen Episode 4: The Caretaker Episode 5: Mummy on the Orient Express Episode 6: Flatline Episode 7/8: Death in Heaven Series 9 Episode 1/2: The Magician’s Apprentice Episode 3/4: The Girl Who Died Episode 5: Sleep No More Episode 6: Face the Raven Episode 7/8: Heaven Sent Series 10 Episode 1: The Pilot Episode 2: Smile Episode 3: Thin Ice Episode 4: Knock, Knock Episode 5: Oxygen Episode 6: The Eaters of Light Episode 7/8: The Doctor Falls
Interesting choice getting rid of the Monk trilogy. But I suppose it makes a lot of sense. Despite being mostly good stuff, it does take up a significant chunk of the series, 1/4. All you would need to account for is the stuff to do with Missy. I think it works. Sure, you lose some really good episodes, but the overall quality of the series doesn't suffer _too_ greatly.
@@amazingdisgrace1684 I wanted it in but I didn’t want to also lose Thin Ice and the Eaters of Light or Empress of Mars. I tried getting read of Knock, Knock but that didn’t work. I forgot the stuff about the Missy stuff, which I’m very made that I did. But if I did what he did and slice the Monk Trilogy into one then maybe, but I made this before he did Matt and made that rule.
@@MoonlightVTOffical The Monk trilogy does make Series 10 a tricky one for sure, especially if you try keeping it in. I think at best you could turn it into a two-parter, but then the question is how would that look? Do you merge Pyramid and Lie? Maybe even do away with Extremis and get straight to business with the Monk's arrival? 🤔 I would've thought getting rid of Knock Knock would be easy, unless there's something significant about that episode I'm forgetting. What other episodes would you absolutely want to keep? If you make the Monk trilogy a two-parter, and assuming the two-part finale is a given, that leaves four other slots to fill. But personally, I still think your idea of just removing the Monk trilogy entirely works really well too, even if it is a shame to lose it.
I put the exact same answers lol