Tuning on the brass in that first example... woof.... (I played trombone for over a decade btw).
@jasonmadden36153 күн бұрын
Amazing New to Linux Audio and I love what you are saying. The tools available are mind blowing and I am going to have so much fun learning and using them Thanks for the great info
@crazyrobinhood6 күн бұрын
Nice video and inspiring for the free software community. What about Cardinal=?
@carlirwinmusic6 күн бұрын
@@crazyrobinhood Cardinal is VCV
@crazyrobinhood6 күн бұрын
@@carlirwinmusic yep but the license is way better ;)
@laylasmart16 күн бұрын
Hi Carl, Thanks for the video. That's a cumbersome way to make it happen. It would be much better to imbed a video player with some control options... now we also have Pipewire which suppose to replace jack... Adding the ability to use VST in Musescore on Linux is also needed. I want to use have more control on the reverb and I cant. Also, the strings harmonics... They using the wrong symbol for that. The circle is for open strings harmonics but not for the artificial harmonics. This will confuse players. Apart of that, when thinking about it, the film composers of the golden area had only pencil and paper. They did much better music that tells the story. They really had control on music.
@carlirwinmusic16 күн бұрын
@laylasmart We now have a MuseScore 4 pull request release that gives direct sync between M4 and any video player or DAW that is Jack capable. As for harmonics symbols, M4 has visibility and character assignment that allows anyone to use the characters of their choosing and call upon the appropriate Muse Sound.
@laylasmart16 күн бұрын
@@carlirwinmusic Harmonics symbols. I wouldn't know how to change the symbol appearance and how to make it function as is suppose to be. Artificial harmonics are marked forth above the written note with a shape of a diamond. Also, is it possible to make both open and artificial harmonic symbols work differently? Any video tutorial about that? Pull request - That means that we will always be depended on the abilities of an external software and it's options, and we will also loose system resources to make an external software to work. Not everyone have an high-end computer with dedicated screen card, tones of ram and external sound card. An imbedded video player within Musescore will be a wiser way to go. Yes, Jack can still be there if needed just in case, and still, when things work natively, everything become much easier with less hassle. Also, where is the VST options in M4 on Linux? It does not exist. We have tones of free VST sounds and effects for Linux and no way to use them on M4. As for the idea of the pull request itself, it seems like people share their personal experience with M4 and the request they ask, which is fine. However, there are things that are accepted in all over the world of orchestral music. It is not personal need to have a video player imbedded in M4 but something that must be there natively as part of M4 and it is better be a dynamic video player that it's size can be change like changing the size of a folder. I'm no programer, but there are many open source video player the can be imbed within M4 or taking them as an example to create one using AI. github.com/topics/video-player
@carlirwinmusic16 күн бұрын
@laylasmart on the issues re: the Jack pull request branch... adding a video player will use more system resources than M4 without a video player. This is unavoidable. However, the Jack build runs perfectly smoothly on a home computer system core i5 with about 8g of ram. I see no reason why M4 shouldn't have an internal video player. I'm not against it. Re: Linux VST function... the Jack pull request provides sync with DAW so the mixing of M4 sounds with external effects, instrumentation and midi is available now.
@abhinavprabhakar45518 күн бұрын
1. techniques and materials of tonal music 2. essential dictionary of musical notation 3. essential dictionary of music 4. essential dictionary of orchestration 5. the complete arranger
@larrydavid610218 күн бұрын
A small nit to pick: it may be true that (digital) signal processing is "all math", however it's not true that all algorithms are the same. There are lots of different ways (i.e. algorithms) to do reverb for example, even a specific technique like convolution reverb. Something as simple as an equalizer that cuts or amplifies certain frequencies of a signal can be implemented in different ways. Just because two different plugins have a knob that can raise or lower the amplitude of a certain frequency doesn't mean they are doing the same math (almost certainly they are not), let alone that they will sound the same. Equalizers are essentially bandpass filters, that can have lots of different parameters under control (some of which may have default values hidden from the user for simplicity - what type of filter, windowing, Q, etc.; some of these are controllable in some plugins, some not). This is why Waves plugins, for example, are so popular - they sound good to many people, and the reason they sound good is presumably because of their algorithms. If all equalizer (or delay, reverb, modulation, etc.) plugins sounded the same, the market wouldn't support the hundreds of different ones people pay for on Windows and Mac (and even Linux, I dare say). I think it's more accurate to say that DSP is (mostly) all code, rather than all math. The code includes the math, but there are lots of different ways/algorithms to do the math, or even math that can be done to achieve the same/similar sonic effect. The same code however, will presumably produce the same output (setting aside hardware issues like roundoff error, approximation error, and other finite register effects; hence the "mostly" above), which can presumably be run on a Linux system just as well as on Windows or Mac. Skeptics say you get what you pay for (i.e. pay talented engineers and programmers to create). The flipside is that the free Linux plugins of today surely blow away the proprietary plugins of say, 20 or 30 years ago. When I was in school studying signal processing in the 80's, plugins didn't even exist, let alone DAWs (Fairlight and Synclavier don't count!). I used Personal Composer to record MIDI on a 286 with a couple hardware synths and a cassette deck back then and I was living the dream lol. Perspective is everything.
@larrydavid610218 күн бұрын
Great, helpful video! Thank you for sharing!!
@robarth-meltedcheesehomest401223 күн бұрын
Great video!...... But as long there no way to proper use vst3 plugins or instruments in Linux as far that i know its a no for me at this time. Sadly to say.
@carlirwinmusic23 күн бұрын
@robarth-meltedcheesehomest4012 you can use vst3 plugins in Linux. They have to be Linux vst3 plugins. Usually Linux vst3 plugins also come in LV2, but Ardour Qtractor and the Carla plugin environment can host Linux vst3. The issue is that your favorite Win/Mac vst3 plugins likely don't have Linux vst3 variations available. But this video features the philosophy that Linux users simply don't use Win/Mac exclusive tools because we have our own fully featured tools.
@LinuxCreative25 күн бұрын
Hot take: LMMS is not a DAW
@carlirwinmusic25 күн бұрын
@LinuxCreative some would say that it is a midi sequencer. But, can it sequence digital audio? Yes. It does essentially everything but record. The creator of Qtractor is adamant that Qtractor is not a DAW but rather IT is a sequencer... in spite of the fact that it does record audio. It seems to me that the criteria is pretty straight forward: Does the application sequence digital audio? Anything beyond that is really one fabricating their own meaning for words. Ultimately, Audacity is a DAW, as is LMMS and even Hydrogen (although we have the term Drum Computer/Sequencer for that type of application as well) albeit with significant differences in purpose and mode. But beyond the point I have made here regarding definitions, I can create identical orchestral mockups in LMMS, Qtractor, and Ardour using the same plugins and audio... so... Some folks may not be aware that LMMS can handle a project like that.
@LinuxCreative25 күн бұрын
@@carlirwinmusic LMMS is absolutely a neat piece of FOSS, but I would not call anything a DAW if you can't record audio into it. I didn't consider FL Studio a DAW until that feature was added back in the mid 2000's. It must just be my musician criteria. If I can't plug in an instrument or microphone and hit record, that means I need a real DAW to do half the work!
@anthonylilomba891726 күн бұрын
And what about IK multimedia and antares plugins, could you install and use thème in linux?
@carlirwinmusic26 күн бұрын
@anthonylilomba8917 if they have Linux ports then yes. But the point of the video is that Linux has native plugins and these proprietary (however free) plugins are not necessary... even for automatic tuning. Linux has several robust native alternatives for that.
@anthonylilomba891726 күн бұрын
@@carlirwinmusic Antares auto-tune linux alternative ? Like what?
@carlirwinmusic26 күн бұрын
@@anthonylilomba8917 alternativeto.net/software/auto-tune/?platform=linux There are more, newer plugins and options like x42. But pitch recognition and shift capabilities are not new to Linux. Autotalent is old and still robust. Other options provide pitch to midi and individual note control options just like the well-known proprietary plugins. We don't need Antares or IK ports to Linux.
@maxfurtado28 күн бұрын
wow, I loved it !
@OffiongEniang29 күн бұрын
Thank you so much! Not sure why jack transport was dropped.
@OffiongEniang29 күн бұрын
Is this for real? I've been suffering without Jack Transport for months!
@paulov962629 күн бұрын
Completely agree, you don't need expensive plugins just to get "professional" results, it's all hype. I have used open source plugins (and my own creations) in commercial radio and TV work for many years and often get asked how I achieve the results I get. When I tell them, people are shocked. Linux also supports many more plugin formats than Win or Mac.
@markusluther7756Ай бұрын
The linux kernel 6.7 or later has plug an play support for focusrite 3rd gen sound cards, so you dont need to enable kernel mods anymore.. can get matency of 0.3 milliseconds latency with my soundcard and Arch RT kernel 6.7
@markusluther7756Ай бұрын
inspiring to see that you use free software on linux that everyone can afford and create these masterpieces.
@markusluther7756Ай бұрын
You write amazing music! ❤
@markusluther7756Ай бұрын
Amazing audio quality and audio stuff you can do on linux.!❤
@avipotatoАй бұрын
Great video. Made me see that I just gotta think a little more outside the box
@GrunfeldАй бұрын
Thanks for the video; really motivating.
@exxon47_Ай бұрын
I love this video to encourage people to use alternatives and specific things dont matter at all. LSP is so cool as well would be good if they did support windows (i dont use windows) just to share project files. I will also mention another amazing synth called Surge xt which can do alot.
@alanbruckeАй бұрын
Excellent video. I hope the algorithm pushes this to more people. Also, team Reaper all the way. I won’t proselytize, but suffice it to say, it’s freaking awesome. Ardour is great too. LMMS looks sweet for electronic.
@ANIMLFIREАй бұрын
Amazing video, I’ve been experimenting with making my own impulse responses to use when recording live guitar
@alfreddaguere13682 ай бұрын
Thanks for your work ! Is it possible to make this works on macOS ?
@carlirwinmusic2 ай бұрын
You will need to investigate the implementation of Jack Audio Server on your Mac system. If you can run Jack, then this should work: jackaudio.org/downloads/
@istvanj.balazs-filmtvcomposerАй бұрын
Unfortunately it doesn't works, as the JACK transport subsystem is not visible by OS level neither to Ardour, nor to MuseScore4 - So one can't select JACK at all. I've just transitioned completely to Linux 3 months ago, and it works like a charm now. :-)
@istvanj.balazs-filmtvcomposerАй бұрын
The transition from MacOS to Linux was smooth, thanks to the excellent Linux OS Musescore4, JACK Transport, Ardour briefing videos made by Carl. :-)
@johnbirkby29132 ай бұрын
Loved your comment re 5 different orchestras. Many many years ago at school we studied Petrushka. For 6 months i only ever heard the piece as per the schools record. Then my dad bought me Petrushka conducted by Stravinsky. It was a different piece! Going to try your sub bass synth idea. I'm now subscribed. I've been using Musescore since 1 point something. 4.2 is incredible.
@Stay_Saxy2 ай бұрын
Awesome job! In my opinion it’s the French horn that sounds the most different
@soundtreks2 күн бұрын
the horn in F sounds very good at lower dynamics. Once you get to F and above, it gets too bright.
@sarahaprincesa2 ай бұрын
🤩
@javiermedina53132 ай бұрын
Beautiful. I really didn't like the 7th in 54:12 and 54:24. It's a G7. The 7th sounded too harsh for me in this style with that specific chord. The rest is very nice.
@carlirwinmusic2 ай бұрын
That's a textbook V7 - I cadence. I'm not sure that it could be categorized as "harsh". It's about the most stable and motivated resolution that there is in the whole of western music (including all styles).
@javiermedina53132 ай бұрын
@@carlirwinmusic I think it's the voice conducting the problem in that part. I know what a V7 - I is... I have 20 years studying music and composition. 7th dominant chords are pretty rare in most of modern western cinematic style, especially if there's no preparation of the 7th, here the problem seems to be the voice conducting, not the 7th itself. As someone who uses 7th chords in almost every non-major harmony, IMO I would just get rid of that 7th or change the voice conducting, I know many pro composers, a lot better than me, that would say the same.
@carlirwinmusic2 ай бұрын
@@javiermedina5313 I'm not terribly interested in starting a subjective argument over the phenomenology of a leaping interval in this context, especially given other striking intervallic features and added note harmonies written into the piece. But I definitely want to tamp down on this talk about 20 years of experience as a possible evidence of correctness. I have over 20 years of experience in music composition, performance and education... and yet I composed the thing this way. That doesn't really mean anything to the discussion. My point is that as "harsh" as harmonies can be (and are, by design, at other times in the piece) this application of a V7 is more like taking a trip down the street than taking a trip to the moon. Non-extended harmonies have always left room for the use of a 7th on a cadential V. A 7th is not like a 'jazz' thing or stylistically unique when applied in this way (it's not a G7... it's a functional V7 - which happens to be rooted in G). Now if this was another functional chord (apart from a secondary dominant or point of cadential modulation)... then I would understand the inquiry. It just seems like an odd, singular criticism. Anyway, thanks for the comment. Glad you enjoyed the piece!
@javiermedina53132 ай бұрын
@@carlirwinmusic I'm listening to this again, I think t's the voice conducting the proBlem I have, not the 7th itself. My ears tell me that there's something proBlematic there, I can't argue against what my ears feel, I mean, it's the only part that sounded harsh to me, the rest is Beautiful.
@carlirwinmusic2 ай бұрын
@@javiermedina5313 You might be picking up on the 2nd Violins leaping (as you pointed out) to that 7th and then leaping down again to the counter melodic material that starts on an added 2 and then meanders before going to the 5th. OR, this is the rare place in the piece where I don't modulate on that cadence point. Perhaps your ear expects what I set up earlier and then I don't actually deliver it here? Here is the whole piece in context (without notation, sorry): kzread.info/dash/bejne/qq2FsbyPY9S1mJc.htmlsi=mQ4xSEvaRiW04Ak9
@Oxtorayk2 ай бұрын
I really apreciate the work you put here! thank you!
@lucacalabrese57252 ай бұрын
This is my review of the sounds as classical musician who plays often in orchestra . The strings are really good when they play both the higher and lower register. When there's the violin solo it's still good but it's much more clear that it's a virtual instrument. The woodwinds sound also very realistic. The worst one is the brass section, horns and trumpets in particular. The sound is not realistic nor good in tone. Overall still good when they play accents and fortissimo.
@carlirwinmusic2 ай бұрын
It's fascinating how experienced, informed people can come to different conclusions over the subjectivity of sounds. As a classically trained brass player with a lot of experience in various brass idioms (symphonic, wind ensemble, quintet, drumcorps, solo work, etc.) I have found the brass samples to be quite stellar, provided that the writing leaves room for breathing and diversity of articulation. I am most concerned about the clarinet and static nature of the piano.
I was arranging a piece for the first time in MuseScore with the MuseSound three days ago and I noticed the same thing you're talking about at around 34:21 that triggering the right feeling requires throwing out expressions willy nilly and using hairpins creatively. I quickly started using rehearsal marks and Ctrl/command+f to jump around in the score
@annarresti2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, this is amazing! I just tried it and works like a charm.
@kgb-files92602 ай бұрын
Privet Carl.. I am Mikhail Rimsky-Korsakov. No relation, I was told. Known as Hans in West! 🙂 I do understand you, and totally agree with you. I do compose music, but rarely because I want to compose as you. As you said, there are no real demand for it unless commissioned which only happened to me once. I am, however, a military band expert, ie I am Director of Music of Military band, and Arranger. I arranged thousands of music as I found that commissions for Wind Ensembles are far more in demand. I even have music in your country's military band's library! My actual point here is that when I compose or rather arrange stuff, I normally have 2 scores...one called "xxxxx (PrintScore).dorico" and "xxxxx(MidiScore).Dorico. (It used to be xxxx(yyy).sib or .mus) Anyway, my PrintScore is for Notation ie Printing my work for ensemble. My MidiScore is like yours. All 'ugly' stuff is notated including midi CC texts, my fp looks just like yours. The purpose of this is that other directors who commissioned a piece wants me to email him/her periodic mp3s of work progress. In the past, mockups from PrintScore gave them wrong impressions on the score, so I, like you, developed idea of the MidiScore to imprint in their minds more realistic sound which also improved their performance as many derectors of bands are quite mediocre conductors and needs so guidance from my mockups! 😬😂 Hope others also start to understand this approach of ours. I must lastly also say that with Dorico Pro, mockups are automatically far more realistic as one have DAW & Notation workflow all in one project. Pricy, I know (for us), but you Western Friends have money for this! ;-) Keep well and keep educating your Muse Community! Mikhail До свидания PS. I tried to obtain your email address as I really would like to be friends and so on, but no success. If you are willing, my email is: [email protected]
@Fabermorrow2 ай бұрын
would be nice if you showed some of the features you are talking about while you are talking so we can see too
@carlirwinmusic2 ай бұрын
My guess is that Linux users already know... and Win/Mac users have no reason to 'convert'. So this is really just a general 'overview of existence' for the major packages on Linux for those that are curious. Many out there on Win/Mac don't realize that Linux music is as robust and serious as it is.
@Fabermorrow2 ай бұрын
@@carlirwinmusic what? I came here to learn about DAWs that are available for Linux and see some of this stuff in action. Not everybody watching this is gonna be hardcore Linux users that know everything about anything.
@Fabermorrow2 ай бұрын
@@carlirwinmusic and many windows users have reasons to migrate
@Fabermorrow2 ай бұрын
That's literally why I'm watching this video lol
@Fabermorrow2 ай бұрын
And to be clear, I used Linux 15 years ago, since then I have used windows but I have been thinking of moving back for a variety of reasons. So I'm fully aware of how deep it goes and how much better it is but my only concern is not having fully fledged DAWs to work on and unfortunately its impossible to find any good videos out there that showcase them properly
@user-ff9rx7kq2g2 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this video
@MrMayAllDay2 ай бұрын
Love your style, my friend. Always holding my attention. No wasted time or over-lingering. Would love to hear another composer’s take on my stuff too. Feel free to contact me to chat or share music.
@carlirwinmusic2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words. I was finally able to jump over to your channel and check out your playlist of compositions. Your material is very skillfully executed... everything you are doing sounds intentional and inevitable and that checks the big 'boxes' for me. I noticed that you have some material on your channel regarding Percy Grainger. I don't know if you mean to, but I can hear some of that influence in your music. I think that you could do fairly well with wind band literature, if it's up your alley. There's a significant opportunity to publish and get live performances there. As an instrumental music educator myself, I can say that the repertoire could certainly use an injection of nostalgia or new creativity right now (either would do!) Thanks for speaking up and pointing me to your stuff. Subscribed!
@MrMayAllDay2 ай бұрын
@@carlirwinmusic I'm certainly a little rough around the edges, but I have a lot of fun. Your comments are appreciated and well put. I am a complete fool to the current publishing scene. I have a lots of music that would do very well for winds (some currently set for orchestra). If you have any guidance on how to push my music out even further, I would be grateful. Also, I am a self-appointed Grainger scholar 😂 (there really isn't anything I haven't heard and analyzed). However, I have a deep love for English and American art-song. While I love music of many languages and cultures, I feel like westerner classical musicians are overlooking our mother tongue and our more direct musical lineage.
@carlirwinmusic2 ай бұрын
@@MrMayAllDay I have yet to meet a scholar who isn't self-appointed, so you're in good company! As for publishing, I haven't personally done this, but there are opportunities for self-publication through existing vendors like JWPepper (a massive East Coast US sheet music provider). Here is a link to their self-publishing program, if interested: www.jwpepper.com/sheet-music/myScore.jsp
@ZenMasterLaoTzu2 ай бұрын
truly mesmerizing. I hope to compose as well as you someday!! Thank you for such inspirational work. I felt like I was right there on Topsail
@bassmana2z6862 ай бұрын
Thanks for the really useful content. Sub'd.🙂🎸🎶🎹
@ronsn80712 ай бұрын
I don't know how I ended up here, but that sounds good. I mean, it sounds really good! If you have a quiet moment, close your eyes and listen, a very personal story spins in your head. There aren't any really dark moments, i.e. none that foreshadow something really, really bad, but they do exist, but overall a pleasant feeling prevails. And if you're not careful, you don't even open your eyes at the end and drift off to sleep with beautiful dreams in which you continue to spin your own personal story. That's what it does to me. I like it very much, so thank you very much for this beautiful piece! :)
@Oxtorayk2 ай бұрын
Amazing!
@Oxtorayk2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@baloothebeardogretreiver84192 ай бұрын
Super helpful commentary!
@laylasmart2 ай бұрын
Dose the Musescore and muse sounds play strings harmonics? If so, how do I activate it? Also, will it work on Zorin OS 17.1?
@carlirwinmusic2 ай бұрын
Don't know about Zorin. For harmonics, I don't know that there is a sample set for that yet, but between the note head controls, playback and visibility controls... yes Musescore 4 can notate and "play" string harmonics by assigning a note to play at an invisible dynamic, etc.
@laylasmart2 ай бұрын
@@carlirwinmusic Yes, I saw this method. It doesn't sound like Harmonics at all and this method is like holding the ear with the right hand but taking the hand around the head and then hold the ear. To bad they don't have a VST option on Linux version. I would use NotePerformer to do this. Maybe in the future MuseScore sounds will be updated and have harmonics, but since those sounds came out not so long ago, it is hard to believe it will happen. Until then, I'll probably stay with Sibelius and Windows...
@carlirwinmusic2 ай бұрын
@@laylasmart there are other sounds in Musescore 4. I guarantee that I could create a mockup that is 100% convincing using only what is available (until those sounds are added at a later date). Be aware that you can use any .sf2 in the Linux build. This means that you could convert sounds from a good sfz library in Polyphone to sf2 and use it natively in M4. This is how I get brass mutes into M4 (as the Muse Sounds doesn't have those samples yet).
@laylasmart2 ай бұрын
@@carlirwinmusic Do you know any video tutorials for that? I'm new on Zorin and the terminal is a mess for me. I'm use to double click on and exe file and Installation.
@carlirwinmusic2 ай бұрын
@@laylasmart Good news. I just checked this morning and there is an indication for harmonics in the articulations panel. Applying the circle harmonics figure to a note calls up true harmonics samples for strings.
@user-oz9tf9zp7k2 ай бұрын
Is there an anechoic recorded string library with controllable bow-pressure, bow speed, bow position, vibrato, similar to Audio Modeling strings?
@carlirwinmusic2 ай бұрын
I don't know of any open-source work like this yet. The closest that you can get to it right now, for free, is the MuseScore 4 play engine and the Muse Sounds sample set. I don't know that the samples are recorded in an absolutely dead space as the lowest reverb settings still imply a real room. But the AI driving the engine is pretty slick with respect to choosing applicable artifacts (bowing and portamento, etc.) given the context of the notation. You don't have finite control over this, apart from choosing to use different dynamics or articulations to call up different samples (which is what I do to dial in mockups). Voice doubling (solos with sections) and contrast panning techniques take the engine and samples even further. The VPO samples are pretty dead (as many of the samples were originally recorded for scientific analysis at the University of Iowa). VPO has mod-wheel crossfading for dynamic velocity, but there are no specific controls for artifact sounds and no AI components.
@istvanj.balazs-filmtvcomposer2 ай бұрын
Thanks for showcasing the powerful abilities of Virtual Symphonic Orchestra. Excellent demonstration Carl! Did you had to deal with any degree of Negative Latency Compensation for the specific SFZ instrument, or ensemble? I mean especially with Legato patches is there an initial delay which has to be considered? Keep up the excellent work demonstrating the wonderful and FREE world of scoring on Linux platform, with Ardour and fully open-source sampled instruments. :-)
@carlirwinmusic2 ай бұрын
I have not had any issues with latency on this system. I am running a real-time Linux kernel. All responses are well within limits that can be dealt with through quantization if/when needed.
@istvanj.balazs-filmtvcomposer2 ай бұрын
@@carlirwinmusic Thank You so much for your answer! This what I was also presuming! I have to Thank You for all your extremely helpful videos and tutorials, they have helped me a lot transitioning to Linux for film scoring and I am had that I did! Ardour, Linux, LV2 plugins and instruments are as just great as any other proprietary solutions! Nevertheless Snyc to picture with MuseScore4 with Jack transport + Blender is a powerful arsenal! I am using a low latency kernel currently and the Audio latency is flawless!! 🙏🏻♥️🎬🎹🎻😊
@ZephB3 ай бұрын
I agree! Yabridge can also be great when you really need a windows only plugin. I've got Arturia Analog lab to work oerfectly
@andrewmorgan20163 ай бұрын
Good Work: I am looking forward to getting this working with Logic and Musescore 4
@carlirwinmusic3 ай бұрын
Do you have any experience with using Jack on Mac? You will need to investigate Logic's compatibility with Jack Audio Server's synchronized transport. If You can get Logic to sync with Jack, then it should be a simple matter of running the Musescore 4 Jack PR branch and Logic with their respective audio connections set to Jack. From there, you should be able to route the Musescore 4 audio output into a Logic stereo channel for mixing and sync. I know nothing about running Jack on Mac and to what extent Logic interfaces with Jack (if at all).
@TheStanknasty42 ай бұрын
I spent 8 hours yesterday trying to get Core Audio to recognize Jack2. I think it is a lost cause on Apple silicon. What a shame.
@carlirwinmusic2 ай бұрын
@TheStanknasty4 Yeah, that's out of my territory. What is used for transport bridging on Mac these days? Does anything work?
@TheStanknasty42 ай бұрын
@@carlirwinmusic Yes there is a great program called TXL that syncs MTC or SMPTE. kzread.infoaHdGUSUSSf0?si=8bmOYcYB5ZHIGngL Here it is syncing Dorico and Cubase. If we could get Musescore to send/receive MTC, TXL can link Musescore with Logic/Cubase/Ableton etc. They all have built in Video support.
@andrewmorgan20163 ай бұрын
I'd love to know how progress is coming on this aspect: I'd like to sync Logic Pro with Musescore: It would be good to be able to do this with musescore 4.x
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Thank you very much
Tuning on the brass in that first example... woof.... (I played trombone for over a decade btw).
Amazing New to Linux Audio and I love what you are saying. The tools available are mind blowing and I am going to have so much fun learning and using them Thanks for the great info
Nice video and inspiring for the free software community. What about Cardinal=?
@@crazyrobinhood Cardinal is VCV
@@carlirwinmusic yep but the license is way better ;)
Hi Carl, Thanks for the video. That's a cumbersome way to make it happen. It would be much better to imbed a video player with some control options... now we also have Pipewire which suppose to replace jack... Adding the ability to use VST in Musescore on Linux is also needed. I want to use have more control on the reverb and I cant. Also, the strings harmonics... They using the wrong symbol for that. The circle is for open strings harmonics but not for the artificial harmonics. This will confuse players. Apart of that, when thinking about it, the film composers of the golden area had only pencil and paper. They did much better music that tells the story. They really had control on music.
@laylasmart We now have a MuseScore 4 pull request release that gives direct sync between M4 and any video player or DAW that is Jack capable. As for harmonics symbols, M4 has visibility and character assignment that allows anyone to use the characters of their choosing and call upon the appropriate Muse Sound.
@@carlirwinmusic Harmonics symbols. I wouldn't know how to change the symbol appearance and how to make it function as is suppose to be. Artificial harmonics are marked forth above the written note with a shape of a diamond. Also, is it possible to make both open and artificial harmonic symbols work differently? Any video tutorial about that? Pull request - That means that we will always be depended on the abilities of an external software and it's options, and we will also loose system resources to make an external software to work. Not everyone have an high-end computer with dedicated screen card, tones of ram and external sound card. An imbedded video player within Musescore will be a wiser way to go. Yes, Jack can still be there if needed just in case, and still, when things work natively, everything become much easier with less hassle. Also, where is the VST options in M4 on Linux? It does not exist. We have tones of free VST sounds and effects for Linux and no way to use them on M4. As for the idea of the pull request itself, it seems like people share their personal experience with M4 and the request they ask, which is fine. However, there are things that are accepted in all over the world of orchestral music. It is not personal need to have a video player imbedded in M4 but something that must be there natively as part of M4 and it is better be a dynamic video player that it's size can be change like changing the size of a folder. I'm no programer, but there are many open source video player the can be imbed within M4 or taking them as an example to create one using AI. github.com/topics/video-player
@laylasmart on the issues re: the Jack pull request branch... adding a video player will use more system resources than M4 without a video player. This is unavoidable. However, the Jack build runs perfectly smoothly on a home computer system core i5 with about 8g of ram. I see no reason why M4 shouldn't have an internal video player. I'm not against it. Re: Linux VST function... the Jack pull request provides sync with DAW so the mixing of M4 sounds with external effects, instrumentation and midi is available now.
1. techniques and materials of tonal music 2. essential dictionary of musical notation 3. essential dictionary of music 4. essential dictionary of orchestration 5. the complete arranger
A small nit to pick: it may be true that (digital) signal processing is "all math", however it's not true that all algorithms are the same. There are lots of different ways (i.e. algorithms) to do reverb for example, even a specific technique like convolution reverb. Something as simple as an equalizer that cuts or amplifies certain frequencies of a signal can be implemented in different ways. Just because two different plugins have a knob that can raise or lower the amplitude of a certain frequency doesn't mean they are doing the same math (almost certainly they are not), let alone that they will sound the same. Equalizers are essentially bandpass filters, that can have lots of different parameters under control (some of which may have default values hidden from the user for simplicity - what type of filter, windowing, Q, etc.; some of these are controllable in some plugins, some not). This is why Waves plugins, for example, are so popular - they sound good to many people, and the reason they sound good is presumably because of their algorithms. If all equalizer (or delay, reverb, modulation, etc.) plugins sounded the same, the market wouldn't support the hundreds of different ones people pay for on Windows and Mac (and even Linux, I dare say). I think it's more accurate to say that DSP is (mostly) all code, rather than all math. The code includes the math, but there are lots of different ways/algorithms to do the math, or even math that can be done to achieve the same/similar sonic effect. The same code however, will presumably produce the same output (setting aside hardware issues like roundoff error, approximation error, and other finite register effects; hence the "mostly" above), which can presumably be run on a Linux system just as well as on Windows or Mac. Skeptics say you get what you pay for (i.e. pay talented engineers and programmers to create). The flipside is that the free Linux plugins of today surely blow away the proprietary plugins of say, 20 or 30 years ago. When I was in school studying signal processing in the 80's, plugins didn't even exist, let alone DAWs (Fairlight and Synclavier don't count!). I used Personal Composer to record MIDI on a 286 with a couple hardware synths and a cassette deck back then and I was living the dream lol. Perspective is everything.
Great, helpful video! Thank you for sharing!!
Great video!...... But as long there no way to proper use vst3 plugins or instruments in Linux as far that i know its a no for me at this time. Sadly to say.
@robarth-meltedcheesehomest4012 you can use vst3 plugins in Linux. They have to be Linux vst3 plugins. Usually Linux vst3 plugins also come in LV2, but Ardour Qtractor and the Carla plugin environment can host Linux vst3. The issue is that your favorite Win/Mac vst3 plugins likely don't have Linux vst3 variations available. But this video features the philosophy that Linux users simply don't use Win/Mac exclusive tools because we have our own fully featured tools.
Hot take: LMMS is not a DAW
@LinuxCreative some would say that it is a midi sequencer. But, can it sequence digital audio? Yes. It does essentially everything but record. The creator of Qtractor is adamant that Qtractor is not a DAW but rather IT is a sequencer... in spite of the fact that it does record audio. It seems to me that the criteria is pretty straight forward: Does the application sequence digital audio? Anything beyond that is really one fabricating their own meaning for words. Ultimately, Audacity is a DAW, as is LMMS and even Hydrogen (although we have the term Drum Computer/Sequencer for that type of application as well) albeit with significant differences in purpose and mode. But beyond the point I have made here regarding definitions, I can create identical orchestral mockups in LMMS, Qtractor, and Ardour using the same plugins and audio... so... Some folks may not be aware that LMMS can handle a project like that.
@@carlirwinmusic LMMS is absolutely a neat piece of FOSS, but I would not call anything a DAW if you can't record audio into it. I didn't consider FL Studio a DAW until that feature was added back in the mid 2000's. It must just be my musician criteria. If I can't plug in an instrument or microphone and hit record, that means I need a real DAW to do half the work!
And what about IK multimedia and antares plugins, could you install and use thème in linux?
@anthonylilomba8917 if they have Linux ports then yes. But the point of the video is that Linux has native plugins and these proprietary (however free) plugins are not necessary... even for automatic tuning. Linux has several robust native alternatives for that.
@@carlirwinmusic Antares auto-tune linux alternative ? Like what?
@@anthonylilomba8917 alternativeto.net/software/auto-tune/?platform=linux There are more, newer plugins and options like x42. But pitch recognition and shift capabilities are not new to Linux. Autotalent is old and still robust. Other options provide pitch to midi and individual note control options just like the well-known proprietary plugins. We don't need Antares or IK ports to Linux.
wow, I loved it !
Thank you so much! Not sure why jack transport was dropped.
Is this for real? I've been suffering without Jack Transport for months!
Completely agree, you don't need expensive plugins just to get "professional" results, it's all hype. I have used open source plugins (and my own creations) in commercial radio and TV work for many years and often get asked how I achieve the results I get. When I tell them, people are shocked. Linux also supports many more plugin formats than Win or Mac.
The linux kernel 6.7 or later has plug an play support for focusrite 3rd gen sound cards, so you dont need to enable kernel mods anymore.. can get matency of 0.3 milliseconds latency with my soundcard and Arch RT kernel 6.7
inspiring to see that you use free software on linux that everyone can afford and create these masterpieces.
You write amazing music! ❤
Amazing audio quality and audio stuff you can do on linux.!❤
Great video. Made me see that I just gotta think a little more outside the box
Thanks for the video; really motivating.
I love this video to encourage people to use alternatives and specific things dont matter at all. LSP is so cool as well would be good if they did support windows (i dont use windows) just to share project files. I will also mention another amazing synth called Surge xt which can do alot.
Excellent video. I hope the algorithm pushes this to more people. Also, team Reaper all the way. I won’t proselytize, but suffice it to say, it’s freaking awesome. Ardour is great too. LMMS looks sweet for electronic.
Amazing video, I’ve been experimenting with making my own impulse responses to use when recording live guitar
Thanks for your work ! Is it possible to make this works on macOS ?
You will need to investigate the implementation of Jack Audio Server on your Mac system. If you can run Jack, then this should work: jackaudio.org/downloads/
Unfortunately it doesn't works, as the JACK transport subsystem is not visible by OS level neither to Ardour, nor to MuseScore4 - So one can't select JACK at all. I've just transitioned completely to Linux 3 months ago, and it works like a charm now. :-)
The transition from MacOS to Linux was smooth, thanks to the excellent Linux OS Musescore4, JACK Transport, Ardour briefing videos made by Carl. :-)
Loved your comment re 5 different orchestras. Many many years ago at school we studied Petrushka. For 6 months i only ever heard the piece as per the schools record. Then my dad bought me Petrushka conducted by Stravinsky. It was a different piece! Going to try your sub bass synth idea. I'm now subscribed. I've been using Musescore since 1 point something. 4.2 is incredible.
Awesome job! In my opinion it’s the French horn that sounds the most different
the horn in F sounds very good at lower dynamics. Once you get to F and above, it gets too bright.
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Beautiful. I really didn't like the 7th in 54:12 and 54:24. It's a G7. The 7th sounded too harsh for me in this style with that specific chord. The rest is very nice.
That's a textbook V7 - I cadence. I'm not sure that it could be categorized as "harsh". It's about the most stable and motivated resolution that there is in the whole of western music (including all styles).
@@carlirwinmusic I think it's the voice conducting the problem in that part. I know what a V7 - I is... I have 20 years studying music and composition. 7th dominant chords are pretty rare in most of modern western cinematic style, especially if there's no preparation of the 7th, here the problem seems to be the voice conducting, not the 7th itself. As someone who uses 7th chords in almost every non-major harmony, IMO I would just get rid of that 7th or change the voice conducting, I know many pro composers, a lot better than me, that would say the same.
@@javiermedina5313 I'm not terribly interested in starting a subjective argument over the phenomenology of a leaping interval in this context, especially given other striking intervallic features and added note harmonies written into the piece. But I definitely want to tamp down on this talk about 20 years of experience as a possible evidence of correctness. I have over 20 years of experience in music composition, performance and education... and yet I composed the thing this way. That doesn't really mean anything to the discussion. My point is that as "harsh" as harmonies can be (and are, by design, at other times in the piece) this application of a V7 is more like taking a trip down the street than taking a trip to the moon. Non-extended harmonies have always left room for the use of a 7th on a cadential V. A 7th is not like a 'jazz' thing or stylistically unique when applied in this way (it's not a G7... it's a functional V7 - which happens to be rooted in G). Now if this was another functional chord (apart from a secondary dominant or point of cadential modulation)... then I would understand the inquiry. It just seems like an odd, singular criticism. Anyway, thanks for the comment. Glad you enjoyed the piece!
@@carlirwinmusic I'm listening to this again, I think t's the voice conducting the proBlem I have, not the 7th itself. My ears tell me that there's something proBlematic there, I can't argue against what my ears feel, I mean, it's the only part that sounded harsh to me, the rest is Beautiful.
@@javiermedina5313 You might be picking up on the 2nd Violins leaping (as you pointed out) to that 7th and then leaping down again to the counter melodic material that starts on an added 2 and then meanders before going to the 5th. OR, this is the rare place in the piece where I don't modulate on that cadence point. Perhaps your ear expects what I set up earlier and then I don't actually deliver it here? Here is the whole piece in context (without notation, sorry): kzread.info/dash/bejne/qq2FsbyPY9S1mJc.htmlsi=mQ4xSEvaRiW04Ak9
I really apreciate the work you put here! thank you!
This is my review of the sounds as classical musician who plays often in orchestra . The strings are really good when they play both the higher and lower register. When there's the violin solo it's still good but it's much more clear that it's a virtual instrument. The woodwinds sound also very realistic. The worst one is the brass section, horns and trumpets in particular. The sound is not realistic nor good in tone. Overall still good when they play accents and fortissimo.
It's fascinating how experienced, informed people can come to different conclusions over the subjectivity of sounds. As a classically trained brass player with a lot of experience in various brass idioms (symphonic, wind ensemble, quintet, drumcorps, solo work, etc.) I have found the brass samples to be quite stellar, provided that the writing leaves room for breathing and diversity of articulation. I am most concerned about the clarinet and static nature of the piano.
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I was arranging a piece for the first time in MuseScore with the MuseSound three days ago and I noticed the same thing you're talking about at around 34:21 that triggering the right feeling requires throwing out expressions willy nilly and using hairpins creatively. I quickly started using rehearsal marks and Ctrl/command+f to jump around in the score
Thank you so much, this is amazing! I just tried it and works like a charm.
Privet Carl.. I am Mikhail Rimsky-Korsakov. No relation, I was told. Known as Hans in West! 🙂 I do understand you, and totally agree with you. I do compose music, but rarely because I want to compose as you. As you said, there are no real demand for it unless commissioned which only happened to me once. I am, however, a military band expert, ie I am Director of Music of Military band, and Arranger. I arranged thousands of music as I found that commissions for Wind Ensembles are far more in demand. I even have music in your country's military band's library! My actual point here is that when I compose or rather arrange stuff, I normally have 2 scores...one called "xxxxx (PrintScore).dorico" and "xxxxx(MidiScore).Dorico. (It used to be xxxx(yyy).sib or .mus) Anyway, my PrintScore is for Notation ie Printing my work for ensemble. My MidiScore is like yours. All 'ugly' stuff is notated including midi CC texts, my fp looks just like yours. The purpose of this is that other directors who commissioned a piece wants me to email him/her periodic mp3s of work progress. In the past, mockups from PrintScore gave them wrong impressions on the score, so I, like you, developed idea of the MidiScore to imprint in their minds more realistic sound which also improved their performance as many derectors of bands are quite mediocre conductors and needs so guidance from my mockups! 😬😂 Hope others also start to understand this approach of ours. I must lastly also say that with Dorico Pro, mockups are automatically far more realistic as one have DAW & Notation workflow all in one project. Pricy, I know (for us), but you Western Friends have money for this! ;-) Keep well and keep educating your Muse Community! Mikhail До свидания PS. I tried to obtain your email address as I really would like to be friends and so on, but no success. If you are willing, my email is: [email protected]
would be nice if you showed some of the features you are talking about while you are talking so we can see too
My guess is that Linux users already know... and Win/Mac users have no reason to 'convert'. So this is really just a general 'overview of existence' for the major packages on Linux for those that are curious. Many out there on Win/Mac don't realize that Linux music is as robust and serious as it is.
@@carlirwinmusic what? I came here to learn about DAWs that are available for Linux and see some of this stuff in action. Not everybody watching this is gonna be hardcore Linux users that know everything about anything.
@@carlirwinmusic and many windows users have reasons to migrate
That's literally why I'm watching this video lol
And to be clear, I used Linux 15 years ago, since then I have used windows but I have been thinking of moving back for a variety of reasons. So I'm fully aware of how deep it goes and how much better it is but my only concern is not having fully fledged DAWs to work on and unfortunately its impossible to find any good videos out there that showcase them properly
Thank you for making this video
Love your style, my friend. Always holding my attention. No wasted time or over-lingering. Would love to hear another composer’s take on my stuff too. Feel free to contact me to chat or share music.
Thanks for the kind words. I was finally able to jump over to your channel and check out your playlist of compositions. Your material is very skillfully executed... everything you are doing sounds intentional and inevitable and that checks the big 'boxes' for me. I noticed that you have some material on your channel regarding Percy Grainger. I don't know if you mean to, but I can hear some of that influence in your music. I think that you could do fairly well with wind band literature, if it's up your alley. There's a significant opportunity to publish and get live performances there. As an instrumental music educator myself, I can say that the repertoire could certainly use an injection of nostalgia or new creativity right now (either would do!) Thanks for speaking up and pointing me to your stuff. Subscribed!
@@carlirwinmusic I'm certainly a little rough around the edges, but I have a lot of fun. Your comments are appreciated and well put. I am a complete fool to the current publishing scene. I have a lots of music that would do very well for winds (some currently set for orchestra). If you have any guidance on how to push my music out even further, I would be grateful. Also, I am a self-appointed Grainger scholar 😂 (there really isn't anything I haven't heard and analyzed). However, I have a deep love for English and American art-song. While I love music of many languages and cultures, I feel like westerner classical musicians are overlooking our mother tongue and our more direct musical lineage.
@@MrMayAllDay I have yet to meet a scholar who isn't self-appointed, so you're in good company! As for publishing, I haven't personally done this, but there are opportunities for self-publication through existing vendors like JWPepper (a massive East Coast US sheet music provider). Here is a link to their self-publishing program, if interested: www.jwpepper.com/sheet-music/myScore.jsp
truly mesmerizing. I hope to compose as well as you someday!! Thank you for such inspirational work. I felt like I was right there on Topsail
Thanks for the really useful content. Sub'd.🙂🎸🎶🎹
I don't know how I ended up here, but that sounds good. I mean, it sounds really good! If you have a quiet moment, close your eyes and listen, a very personal story spins in your head. There aren't any really dark moments, i.e. none that foreshadow something really, really bad, but they do exist, but overall a pleasant feeling prevails. And if you're not careful, you don't even open your eyes at the end and drift off to sleep with beautiful dreams in which you continue to spin your own personal story. That's what it does to me. I like it very much, so thank you very much for this beautiful piece! :)
Amazing!
Thank you!
Super helpful commentary!
Dose the Musescore and muse sounds play strings harmonics? If so, how do I activate it? Also, will it work on Zorin OS 17.1?
Don't know about Zorin. For harmonics, I don't know that there is a sample set for that yet, but between the note head controls, playback and visibility controls... yes Musescore 4 can notate and "play" string harmonics by assigning a note to play at an invisible dynamic, etc.
@@carlirwinmusic Yes, I saw this method. It doesn't sound like Harmonics at all and this method is like holding the ear with the right hand but taking the hand around the head and then hold the ear. To bad they don't have a VST option on Linux version. I would use NotePerformer to do this. Maybe in the future MuseScore sounds will be updated and have harmonics, but since those sounds came out not so long ago, it is hard to believe it will happen. Until then, I'll probably stay with Sibelius and Windows...
@@laylasmart there are other sounds in Musescore 4. I guarantee that I could create a mockup that is 100% convincing using only what is available (until those sounds are added at a later date). Be aware that you can use any .sf2 in the Linux build. This means that you could convert sounds from a good sfz library in Polyphone to sf2 and use it natively in M4. This is how I get brass mutes into M4 (as the Muse Sounds doesn't have those samples yet).
@@carlirwinmusic Do you know any video tutorials for that? I'm new on Zorin and the terminal is a mess for me. I'm use to double click on and exe file and Installation.
@@laylasmart Good news. I just checked this morning and there is an indication for harmonics in the articulations panel. Applying the circle harmonics figure to a note calls up true harmonics samples for strings.
Is there an anechoic recorded string library with controllable bow-pressure, bow speed, bow position, vibrato, similar to Audio Modeling strings?
I don't know of any open-source work like this yet. The closest that you can get to it right now, for free, is the MuseScore 4 play engine and the Muse Sounds sample set. I don't know that the samples are recorded in an absolutely dead space as the lowest reverb settings still imply a real room. But the AI driving the engine is pretty slick with respect to choosing applicable artifacts (bowing and portamento, etc.) given the context of the notation. You don't have finite control over this, apart from choosing to use different dynamics or articulations to call up different samples (which is what I do to dial in mockups). Voice doubling (solos with sections) and contrast panning techniques take the engine and samples even further. The VPO samples are pretty dead (as many of the samples were originally recorded for scientific analysis at the University of Iowa). VPO has mod-wheel crossfading for dynamic velocity, but there are no specific controls for artifact sounds and no AI components.
Thanks for showcasing the powerful abilities of Virtual Symphonic Orchestra. Excellent demonstration Carl! Did you had to deal with any degree of Negative Latency Compensation for the specific SFZ instrument, or ensemble? I mean especially with Legato patches is there an initial delay which has to be considered? Keep up the excellent work demonstrating the wonderful and FREE world of scoring on Linux platform, with Ardour and fully open-source sampled instruments. :-)
I have not had any issues with latency on this system. I am running a real-time Linux kernel. All responses are well within limits that can be dealt with through quantization if/when needed.
@@carlirwinmusic Thank You so much for your answer! This what I was also presuming! I have to Thank You for all your extremely helpful videos and tutorials, they have helped me a lot transitioning to Linux for film scoring and I am had that I did! Ardour, Linux, LV2 plugins and instruments are as just great as any other proprietary solutions! Nevertheless Snyc to picture with MuseScore4 with Jack transport + Blender is a powerful arsenal! I am using a low latency kernel currently and the Audio latency is flawless!! 🙏🏻♥️🎬🎹🎻😊
I agree! Yabridge can also be great when you really need a windows only plugin. I've got Arturia Analog lab to work oerfectly
Good Work: I am looking forward to getting this working with Logic and Musescore 4
Do you have any experience with using Jack on Mac? You will need to investigate Logic's compatibility with Jack Audio Server's synchronized transport. If You can get Logic to sync with Jack, then it should be a simple matter of running the Musescore 4 Jack PR branch and Logic with their respective audio connections set to Jack. From there, you should be able to route the Musescore 4 audio output into a Logic stereo channel for mixing and sync. I know nothing about running Jack on Mac and to what extent Logic interfaces with Jack (if at all).
I spent 8 hours yesterday trying to get Core Audio to recognize Jack2. I think it is a lost cause on Apple silicon. What a shame.
@TheStanknasty4 Yeah, that's out of my territory. What is used for transport bridging on Mac these days? Does anything work?
@@carlirwinmusic Yes there is a great program called TXL that syncs MTC or SMPTE. kzread.infoaHdGUSUSSf0?si=8bmOYcYB5ZHIGngL Here it is syncing Dorico and Cubase. If we could get Musescore to send/receive MTC, TXL can link Musescore with Logic/Cubase/Ableton etc. They all have built in Video support.
I'd love to know how progress is coming on this aspect: I'd like to sync Logic Pro with Musescore: It would be good to be able to do this with musescore 4.x