Great story. Useful insights. Interesting to learn about the new last.
@toneohm6 сағат бұрын
Thanks for the interview Jeff & company,, definitely gonna watch after work., I know a girl who just got a pair from them and she said she was very impressed with the quality
@jackdevine53827 сағат бұрын
so specifically which wire was it and where? I would of enjoyed seeing a video on that. I am thinking about changing a lot of the wires going to the ecm, throttle body induction module and throttle by wire, 2010 FLHRK, it will take off from stop sign rough, then show P1510, P1238, PN32933-10
@cloveroak54922 сағат бұрын
@@jackdevine5382 I wish I could remember, and am shocked at myself for not including that. 🤔 It definitely wasn't one that went straight from one place to the other. Meaning it spliced to multiple locations. Maybe one splice was to the Engine Temp Sensor? In which case it was the Black with White stripe? But I don't think any one wire would be more prone to it than any other.
@jackdevine53828 сағат бұрын
wow, I just found your videos, I had my bike apart last year, throttle by wire unplugged, seat off, computer out, unplugged at throttle, everything checked out continuity wise, it will run great for a while, then notice a bit rough taking off from stop sign. p1510, p2138 pn32933-10. looks like i need to change every wire from throttle body connector at every connection and every pin. I wonder if I should just switch to carburetor.2010 FLHRK
@cloveroak54922 сағат бұрын
@@jackdevine5382 carbs have their own problems, and not as clean looking, but I hear ya on the frustration. I'd suggest pulling one pin at a time from the TB, following it while bending the wire for as far as you can,vpast the neck area for sure, then crimping a new pin and moving to the next. It won't take too long and you will either find a weak spot in a wire, or have removed at least one fretted connector. Pins are cheap, crimper is relatively cheap if you need one, and it will have a high probability of taking care of your issue. But even if you find the issue and fix it I would still suggest running the wires through a dkeave, and buying that rubber boot if you don't already have it as a preventative measure.
@arindambasu98504 күн бұрын
I've got a pair of double monks and the Dixon boots in colour 8 shell. Both are exceptionally made and great shoes/boots.
@cowcrapper5 күн бұрын
I absolutely love the Dixons I got (stock configuration in their pullup black). Last is extremely inoffensive, they are really comfortable for me. The specs are quite nice for the price.
@jimmccoys57786 күн бұрын
I could not agree more with your final comments!! Only total “boot nuts” get this type of material!! Really envy you getting g an inside look! He is definitely in a class by himself
@jimmccoys57786 күн бұрын
Absolutely love this inside look!! Ordered my Kreosote 7 a few months ago. Getting ready to order the nail shank 2s. It kills me to have to wait, but I totally understand and appreciate what it takes to get the work done!! The attention and discipline Gabbard is putting forth is unmatched without a doubt! Amazing! Thanks for the behind the scenes!! Loved it
@chefrichh13 күн бұрын
I'm glad you guys got Kevin on for an interview! I've seen Kevin talk with Dale and a couple talks with Christian Ramos. It's always a must watch for boot nerds. I learn so much from his conversations. Caswell boots are some of the best you can buy.
@DalesLeatherworks14 күн бұрын
Hell yeah!! Great talk guys!
@cloveroak549213 күн бұрын
Thanks Dale! ❤
@ChauncyFatsack14 күн бұрын
Great interview
@riverpower940214 күн бұрын
I see Rose Anvil is launching a new boot, based on the Vietnam Jungle Boot, and acting like this boot, the Ryker, doesn't exist...
@cloveroak549213 күн бұрын
@@riverpower9402 Frank's won't pay him. If he doesn't get paid it doesn't exist #shill
@riverpower940213 күн бұрын
@@cloveroak5492 Good for Frank. I'm gonna save for a Ryker. I gotta ship to Ireland though which is a sting...
@cloveroak549213 күн бұрын
@@riverpower9402 one of my buddies lives in Ireland. His son lives in Chicago, so he has his Frank's sent there and when family makes a trip they bring them over for him. Sláinte 🥂
@riverpower940212 күн бұрын
@@cloveroak5492 I see the ND4 is getting a lot of hate on Reddit! Happy times!
@toneohm14 күн бұрын
congrats on 500 subscribers..! thanks for the content
@DalesLeatherworks16 күн бұрын
Hell yeah!
@steelcamel562617 күн бұрын
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@EssenceofPureFlavor17 күн бұрын
CXL and shell are definitely not the same tannage. CXL is combination tanned in drums. Shell is pure veg that's pit tanned. Essex, Dublin and Derby are the ones peocessed the same way as shell, except that unlike shell they're not pit tanned.
@cloveroak549217 күн бұрын
We were talking about the second step, in the "combination" there. Chrome then same as Shell after, which is one reason CXL costs what you it does. I don't disagree with what you said, but in the context of that part of the conversation there was no reason to mention the first step.
@EssenceofPureFlavor17 күн бұрын
@@cloveroak5492 Oh, got it. I missed that. 👍
@papayafigure18 күн бұрын
What about selling boots? What do you guys recommend? I've been trying to sell boots for months at r/goodyearwelt without success. I'm asking for less than half of the price that I bought them (they're brand new, they didn't fit)
@chrisofthew18 күн бұрын
eBay is the best place I’ve found. What brand, model and size are your boots?
@papayafigure18 күн бұрын
@@chrisofthew They're indonesian (Junkard) boondockers size 42EU (I don't know the conversion between US and EU)
@chrisofthew17 күн бұрын
Sent you a message on red it
@chefrichh19 күн бұрын
Great advice about knowing your size and how the manufacturer's last fit for your feet when buying samples, second and sales. The summer season logically have the most sales.
@edbehan130619 күн бұрын
I do construction and farm work in my fancy Viberg's,Roberts, Diesels, Beckmans, and RMW's because they're comfortable and are Boots made to work, not prancing around. Too much talk here about looks. Sorry rant over.
@averyj.steele107419 күн бұрын
Dang! and here I just got some new prancing boots!
@chrisofthew17 күн бұрын
When I was in the military we called that prancing around Drill and Ceremony. We wore the black full grain leather boots and we always kept them looking nice. Keeping them looking nice has nothing do to with how they are used. Boots are made to protect the feet of anyone who wears them while providing support a shoe can’t. Don’t be a gatekeeper, rant over
@cheekibreeki915515 күн бұрын
I feel so cheated because I got into my first laced 8 inch boots and I can no longer prance around in boots due to the stiff shaft I have to break in first. I'll report back when prancing becomes possible once again.
@averyj.steele107414 күн бұрын
You can prance if you want to, you can leave your friends behind....🕺
@chrisofthew14 күн бұрын
@@cheekibreeki9155 the break in period can be tough but hang in there. Being able to prance in 8” laced boots is well worth the effort!
@riverpower940220 күн бұрын
I know Danner is not what it was. But, I picked up a pair of Bull runs for 130 euros. I think it's a steal.
@chrisofthew20 күн бұрын
That seems like a good deal to me.
@MrStreetninja00720 күн бұрын
Great topic
@rockymtnstyle20 күн бұрын
I'll 2nd what Chris said about Grant Stone b-grades/seconds.... I've had 3 and never had any issue with whatever the issue was.
@cheekibreeki915515 күн бұрын
This video has definitely make me bookmark a seconds moc toe truman upland in British Tan Grizzly since I now have a pair in their 79 last and know exactly what's my minimum size in Trumans should be.
@seedubhuntx20 күн бұрын
I got recommended a tongue pad at Alden because of my left-E right-D feet, it intuitively makes sense to me that they'd work better in shoes than in boots.
@chrisofthew20 күн бұрын
How well is this working for you?
@seedubhuntx20 күн бұрын
@@chrisofthew so full context i didnt buy anything, i was one of those annoying "hello just want to find my size" people that day haha. however i did actually have a pair of dress shoes at home with a similar unevenness and a tongue pad there has helped quite a bit, just reducing instep volume basically. at the same time, its a piece of felt that has been slowly getting crushed down over time, so a bandaid solution at best.
@toneohm20 күн бұрын
hell yea..! was wondering when we'd see another upload.. always a great Podcast to watch.. you guys should make BiB shirts or something soon lol, for real though! 👊
@Diego.E.D20 күн бұрын
There is one thing: back in the day, there were a lot of cobblers; my Father told me so, and the shoes or boots were resoled several times, it was not a thing to throw the shoes or boots and buy new ones typically were attach new half soles that were the way to go to assure the longevity of the footwear.
@darktimbercustomknives624821 күн бұрын
Nicks, jk, whites, wesco. Own all. Love them all. And oddly love the imperfections. Especially on the whites when hand stitched. It’s amazing that they can even sell at the $500- $700 price point with the work in them
@cloveroak549220 күн бұрын
Amen
@evsnova7421 күн бұрын
I'm sure you've covered this subject here and there in other videos but how about a detailed discussion on what to look for to determine if you've got a good fit? This thing where the overall length doesn't matter as much as arch placement is very intriguing. All you ever hear is thumb's width at the front and firm handshake at the ball. I've even heard to look for the widest part of your ball corresponding with the widest part of the welt on each side, but from the sounds of it this arch placement thing seems to be the most important of all. Moreover, what do you do if the arch is too far forward? Or too far rearward? Seems like common sense that sizing up will move the arch forward and sizing down will move the arch rearward?
@cloveroak549220 күн бұрын
We'll definitely think on whether we can make a full episode on that. 🤔 But to answer your question, there are some seperate thoughts going on with regards to wgat you wrote. 1st, is the arch, being more important than length. Which of course only applies to the very small number of makers that build an arch in. Which is mostly Spokane builders. There are ratio's and scales that occur in the human body. Some are more dependable than others. So what Mike said assumes typical proportions. But if someone's foot isn't proportionate you asked. It's really about someone having long toes or short toes here. Short toes, and the boot will overall be too long. That isn't really a problem. There are people that have been wearing normal no-arch boots 2 full sizes too big all their lives. They've done so because their feet are wide, so they had to buy boots too long to get the width they need. (I am one of those people) So there would be nothing to address for a short toe'd person assuming they don't trip themselves. Now conversely, if someone has long toes that is a problem, because the toes touch the front, which Mike did say is a problem. In that case leather piece ls would be attached to the last during building to make the boot longer. They can't give you are larger last because that would move the arch, but by attaching leather to the front of the boot they can make you a longer boot without moving the arch. The other things come down to simpler measurements for figuring out width, which is independent from what we have talked about so far. Plus there are other established additional measurements a builder can ask you to take if there are fitment issues. Or expected issues. Like if you know you have long toes that would be something you'd want to mention to the builder early on.
@evsnova7420 күн бұрын
@@cloveroak5492 thanks for the response. I just wondered because I just got my first pair of Frank's and I frankly (lol) can't tell how much room is ahead of the big toe because the celastic prevents me from feeling it. I'd never considered arch placement before, just toe room and widest part of foot corresponding with widest part of boot. And all this is in reference to getting the length right, for the most part the width seems like an easy aspect to ascertain. It's like, you get a new pair of boots, what steps should you follow to make sure they fit right? Yeah idk maybe you're right, might not be enough there for a whole episode. Maybe just a quick reference video that could be shared to guys posting in the groups about fit.
@cloveroak549220 күн бұрын
@@evsnova74 I don't know if this helps, but I've never "found my toe" by pushing down on a toe box. I mean....probably a child in sneakers, but never anything as an adult. I've always judged it by lifting my toe upward, maybe even kicking the top of the vamp with my big toe. Somehow I am always able to "feel" where it is at with my toe instead of my hand.
@evsnova7420 күн бұрын
@@cloveroak5492 that does help and explains a lot. As bad as celastic is, how would anyone ever be able to feel with a safety toe? Thanks Jeff
@michaelwhynot721522 күн бұрын
I agree; the value is definitely there. And the design of his Parlor Skar engineer boots is unique, and markedly different, from the profile of my John Lofgren engineers. I could easily justify a second pair of engineers from Kreosote, but I'm questioning whether I can wait 44 months for them to be delivered. I don't know what to do. It would be interesting to see you do an in-depth discussion of the differences and nuances in engineer boot designs between the different makers (Kreosote, John Lofgren, Role Club, Cinch, etc.). When I first became interested in engineers, they all looked basically alike to me. But the differences in toe shape, vamp angle, heal shape and size, etc. has become more obvious as I've studied them. It would be interesting to see what the consensus is regarding what constitutes a well designed engineer.
@cloveroak549222 күн бұрын
Love the idea of comparing different engineers and thinking about ultimate build(s) if you have full creative control. I'm actually going through that process presently anyway.
@michaelwhynot721522 күн бұрын
@@cloveroak5492 Do I understand, correctly, that you've ordered a pair of the Kreosote Parlor Skar-Spray gun engineers?
@cloveroak549220 күн бұрын
@@michaelwhynot7215 oh....no....Engineer's generally, not Gabbard's specificly. I am having some Bespoke Engineer's built off my own last, and am picking every single detail myself.
@michaelwhynot721520 күн бұрын
@@cloveroak5492 Ok. That sounds very interesting. I'm sure people would love to follow the process and see the results on BIB. I love these long format shows. Thanks
@matiitpl27 күн бұрын
Thank you for showing us and thanks to Gabard for letting this to happen. Truly beautiful!
@davidallen276328 күн бұрын
Thank you for this wonderful view of art and function being created.
@sonotdown99828 күн бұрын
Invaluable! Thanks so much.
@toneohmАй бұрын
Good move,, smoothing this episode out. Can't wait to see more with you n Jeff shootin' the shyt 👊
@juanmesa120Ай бұрын
Gabbard’s Heritage and Legacy is to create products that are exceptional in their design and craftsmanship!
@juanmesa120Ай бұрын
Gabbard’s Heritage and Legacy is to create products that are exceptional in their design and craftsmanship!
@cheekibreeki9155Ай бұрын
I understood less than half of what Gabbard said if I judge it by the ability to visualize all the stuff he was saying. That probably just means I have a lot more reading up to do.
@laialbertАй бұрын
I haven’t had bespoke boots done yet, but I’ve had 4 pairs of bespoke shoes made by the same maker. Going back to the same maker multiple times is definitely beneficial because the fit gets better each time. The process you described is pretty similar to my experience, but I never had the fit shoe. After my first measurement session, I haven’t had any subsequent in person fittings. Everything since then has been with shipping the shoes back and forth via FedEx.
@sweetpadreАй бұрын
46 months lead time for a boot from this artisan.
@cloveroak5492Ай бұрын
The downside of ordering from a one man shop when the word is out that he is the best.
@Faux_59Ай бұрын
I really enjoy the content you guys bring tho Mike's audio is a weak link. You have over $10k worth of boots on order. Spend $100 on a half decent mic. 😂
@Mike-BiBАй бұрын
I actually have a Beyerdynamic mmx300 which is a pretty nice mic headset combo these are all settings OBS is free and not great I got a copy of Adobe premiere and normalized all the audio so this will be re-released.
@cheekibreeki9155Ай бұрын
I suffer less since my PC has a proper speaker configured, but yes, Mike's audio usually sounds like it's in a different channel haha.
@cloveroak5492Ай бұрын
I just uploaded a Remastered version Mike worked on, so that should make everything better if you want to check that out
@DalesLeatherworksАй бұрын
Gabbard!!!
@toneohmАй бұрын
thanks guys
@roepetoepaАй бұрын
Wrote Gabbard the other day in hopes to get on the list for one of his engineer boots, hope theres a chance. Awesome vid!
@cloveroak5492Ай бұрын
Fingers crossed for you 🤞
@EDHBlvdАй бұрын
That’s wild that the newer Brannock device doesn’t measure the same as the old one. 😮
@johnmoon9562Ай бұрын
Great episode! I've learned so much from your conversations, such a super channel with so many interesting topics that aren't covered anywhere else. And mad credit for the Iron Maiden gear. I've been thinking about getting a Frank's Ryker for some time now. Man, maybe it's time to pull the trigger. I'm just far enough from Spokane to make it a real pain to get up to the shop, but there's no replacement for the face to face. You guys made a lot of great points in the conversation. I would say that the most disappointing maker out of the bunch is Wesco. Their build quality seems to have slipped in the last decade and their wait times are ridiculous. I'm happy to say that I've had great fortune with JK's build quality and customer service. Gotta give them credit, I think they started out rough but they're learning to be better. I love my Vibergs, but they've had some of the least consistent customer service of the lot. Another great reason to go with Frank's. And they just are such decent people. Thanks again for the insight.
@DalesLeatherworksАй бұрын
OH MANNNN GABBARD!
@sweetpadreАй бұрын
There should be a laser measuring machine, just like modern tailors use for measuring for suits.
@Mike-BiBАй бұрын
It would have to figure out the squish part. A suit sits on your body does not really support it in your footwear it needs to be snug and very slightly squish your feet not sure how the laser could get that part right. If that could be figured out it would work but I wonder how many sizing issues it would have since your feet are basically almost all joints.
@honeyblunt5150Ай бұрын
Those bright blue boots with the canvas uppers are absolutely exquisite, looks like some really nice leather
@cloveroak5492Ай бұрын
Law Tannery in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Best Bison tannery in the world. This leather is their Palisades line, which they hold back their best hides to create. I did a YT video specifically on those boots if you want to check it out...
@parkermadison6368Ай бұрын
The last oak bark tannery in the USA that specialized in sole and midsole leather closed in 2004. The company was Westan tanning Co. based out of Westfield, PA. I believe the Tannery that closed in 1972 that you were referring to is the Elkland Tanning Co. which is approx 15 miles from Westfield. My dad used to work at Westan until it closed in 2004. I think Whickett and Craig or Herman Oak tanneries would have the capability of making this type of leather. However, they would have to dial in the recipe for it and they would need a customer willing to commit to them to produce this type of leather so they could afford to dial it in.
@BadChappyАй бұрын
I've really enjoyed watching your videos and have been learning a lot, but I don't get the hate you guys have for Nicks. They're going towards Red Wing and off-the-shelf? I truly dont understand why you think that. RW is mass produced. Nicks is all MTO except for some ready-to-ship boots that customers returned due to sizing mistakes, which the other PNW brands offer too. You can get pretty creative with the build-your-own MTO options. Maybe not as much as Frank's, but still. They discourage people from doing fit sheets? Their website explains clearly how to size their boots and how to use the fit sheet. There's even a chart that lists the ball and instep measurements of every size from 4 A up to 15 FFF. It's not difficult to take a few measurements and find your size on the chart. I guess I understand if you prefer a company to be more hands-on with sizing, but for me, the instructions were very simple and straightforward. They're limited on where they can use their leathers? Nicks has a ton of Wickett & Craig leathers, and the Double Stuffed is exclusive to them. Nearly any boot can be made with these leathers except something on the 11067 because the W&C is too stiff to last on the sprung toe. That's not unreasonable. I'm not sure what else you want from them. Sorry for the long rant but I felt like you weren't giving Nicks a fair shake. I have 8 pairs and they've all been excellent, so I thought I'd respectfully offer a different opinion.
@cloveroak5492Ай бұрын
I'm glad you are happy with Nick's. I used to like Nick's a lot too. I know where they started, where they've been, who has owned them at various points, people who have worked there, people who do work there, what they have stopped doing, what they still do, and where they are headed. A fit-sheet you do on your own through their site is NO WHERE NEAR the same thing as a mail-in fit-sheet consulted by them. Will it get a majority of the people in a pair of boots they are happy with? Yes. You are apparently in that group and I'm happy you are. But that is part of the shift. A shift away from being as MTO as they used to be. Is the McKay-Lockstitch they stopped doing, without lowering price important? Yes. Will it matter to you? 🤷♂️ I dunno,cuz I don't know you. But yeah, they are cutting a corner, and giving you less boot, without lowering the price. Is not offering Norwegian Handwelt anymore important? Probably not. But it is again heading away from true MTO. Just cuz you can't see where they are heading doesn't mean it isn't happening. So I won't "agree to disagree". This isn't a political or religious conversation of opinions. You are happy with your Nick's, and I think that's great. They still make a real good boot. Still make some of the toughest boots in the world. I have no interest in changing your mind. I share what I know, as someone who knows more than most and knows things I've been trusted not to discuss. If I'm not sure I say so or don't bring it up to begin with. If you don't want to believe me that's fine. If you don't care that's fine too. If I've helped you I'm glad to have helped. I don't get paid for this. We aren't monitized or sponsored. So helping people is truly my motivation. But I'm not gonna argue you into anything, or out of anything. I present it, and if you watch you get to digest it and decide what you want to do with it. Thanks again for watching, and I hope you keep loving your Nick's.
@Highland_PaddyАй бұрын
No, you can still get thoros for $250 or maybe even less on AMZN supposedly right now. I caution that they run a bit narrow in the toe. I think Carolina has models on there for below $200 and had a pair of Herman S that lasted quite some time for what's it worth. I think Thurs is definitely cutting some OTHER corners now even if they are overseeing the parts in each model just to keep the price artificially at that place. I guess they're still fine for what they are, but I'm less impressed than if they upgraded everything and charged the extra fifty bucks or whatever. I've likely said this before. I've never owned Timberland because I always put them in the same overhyped category as D Marten, but the Golden Fox are passable comfort enough for the price if you know you're going to trash them and don't want to spend the extra for the Thoros, etc. See, I've also said before that I think this $300 - $600 category is more for suckers almost than the lower price boots because, depending upon the brand, I don't necessarily see where all the extra money is going. Some, sure, but then it depends upon the job you do and all that. I've definitely had Payless boots last longer than 6 months and Thom McAn and some others and I paid less than a hundred bucks for them at the time which is MAYBE $300 now? I've still had sizing issues with BOTH Oak St. and Truman that which they don't run exactly and TR is almost as bad for no wide width as Thursday, right? Tr got rid of that other last that I liked better, that I've surely mentioned previously, too. J&M don't cost that much that I know of, but most their models don't come in my size except the bottom budget ones. I tried to look into Schmidt but he never replied to my comments so I have no idea what he does in terms of similar to PNW arch support, so I imagine none, same as Wesco? Some of those diners are where ye get the food poisoning, tho.
@Highland_PaddyАй бұрын
I think you guys kind of hit on part of the problem later in the thing about guys who want to LOOK like they are wearing tough boots who don't NEED tough boots, so the lines blur between what used to be WORK boots that are now called "Heritage" boots but can't really be USED as work boots and expect the same results as the old work boots. Again, those guys would be just as well off to save the dough and buy the $250 boots instead of the $400 boots, but if they REALLY must LOOK tough, they're still paying $600 for Nick's or other PNW boots, I guess. I like to have dressy boots AND work boots but I guess I've paid more for some of the work boots than the dressy boots, so I hope they last a long time even if looking perfect wasn't the complete end goal like I said about the leather choices there before regarding Nick's vs. Frank's. But since I'm not using them for extreme work scenarios in the foreseeable future, I DO hope they last a few several good years. BUT this also why those Patriots can't be rebuilt apparently, either, that could be an issue for somebody else but they don't come in my size at that price so I'd be forced to spend the extra to buy from them. There was some video where the guy had bought 13 pairs over the years or something that I wanted to watch again but couldn't find last week. A lot of guys don't do as many follow-up vids as one would like.
@cloveroak5492Ай бұрын
Sometimes our perception of what we are wearing is much more important that other peoples perception. So having the heavier duty boot is still important there even if not utilizing it to that extent. Then there is perception of longevity. Even if not working it as hard as it is intended, it still may last much longer. Then there is the people that need the arch in the footbed, so they need the better ones regardless of what they do in them. Not clear what you were referring to when saying about why the Patriot's can't be rebuilt? The Patriots certainly could be rebuilt. Frank's has said they "could" be rebuilt. Nick's has snarkily said they would be happy to rebuild a Patriot several times. The leather in the Patriot is just as tough and just as thick. Frank's CHOSES not to rebuild it. They do so mostly because it is only like 40 bucks more to buy a brand new pair. But I expect it is also to not tie up their resources for making the rest of their boots. Guy who bought 13 pairs of what? A particular brand? PNW boots in general? Spokane brands in gerneral? Something else?
@Highland_PaddyАй бұрын
@@cloveroak5492 I had watched a vid where the guy said they can't be rebuilt, so I went from what he said but could not figure out WHY. Apparently HE was wrong, but like you said, mostly just not cost-effective BUT they still don't come in my size, so I still have no idea if they are more worth getting for some people, then. But Mike was just saying that the PNW boots WON'T last forever like all the commenters claim, so maybe I would prefer the cheaper ones if I could get them in my size. Yes, I found that other vid finally and I was less mesmerized watching now than I was when first saw it. I had thought it contained a lot of heavy PNW boots but mostly he had bought a bunch of Drew's logger and Frank's Patriot boots and was playing sizing roulette more than anything else as an excuse for owning multiple pairs. But since he was only spending $300 a time and not waiting four months to get them, it was easier for him to amass a collection in a shorter time than I also thought. He had also bought a couple Fire Commander ones even though he was not a firefighter, but didn't review them in detail and mostly just talked about the fit of the less expensive pairs and how the Drew's had a less shaped heel counter... So I guess a follow-up "wear" vid seems less essential now, but other guys have left me hangin', too. People can buy whatever they want, but a lot of the boot channels are guys who don't use the heavy boots for much heavy work so they can't give the greatest real review or scope of REAL longevity and all that.
@cheekibreeki9155Ай бұрын
@@Highland_Paddy I had inherited a pair of red wings pecos 10' safety boots that started their life on an oil rig. I used it when I was working in a construction site. Fortunately the tasks I was doing didn't expose the boots to stuff hazardous to leather longetivity very much and me being city based instead of working remote meant the boots received full TLC. I resoled those boots a couple of times but the uppers stayed in good shape. I've since stopped working in construction so they received a final resole and they live in my wardrobe now. There's bumps, scrathes, nicks and dicoloured areas on the leather uppers sure but I made sure to keep up my leather's brushing and manintenance especially after the day is done. The boots should be around 14 years old when I retired it. In fact, me attempting to prolong the life of that inherited boot was why I got into leather boots and leather care in the first place. PNW boots aren't immortal, but if all you're doing is standing around, walking and the occassional hike to the wilderness, in my opinion there is a good chance of them outliving the owner haha. I don't think a lot of people understand just how hard you need to wear your boots to wear them down. Even some of videos I've seen Nicks show their logging boots being rebuilt after 6 years of use, their uppers weren't beaten up as bad as you would expect, it just has the issue of the leather upper having accumulated tons of debris in tiny gaps that was starting to act as abrasive and wear out the leather and stitching. Understandable since since loggers don't spend all day everyday cleaning their boots thoroughly. I know my lumberjack relatives never did. Their boots were lucky to received a brushing. I however also know of some job fields where no matter what boot you get, they're done within 3 years, 5 if you are lucky or keep up your maintenance. The Chinese cheap boots would be done in 3 months from what I have heard.
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@@cheekibreeki9155 Um, well I don't really know what the start date of the RWs was before you got them and all that is semi-irrelevant unless they were built BEFORE they all had to change tanning processes, so the point I got from Mike's statement was that you can baby the PNW boots all you want or mistreat them all you want and they will still basically disintegrate from drying out in some time frame? Should I estimate that at seven years or hope it is double? Maybe ten is a fair estimate for any quality boot??? I guess this will matter more if you are 25 than if you are 45? Will your boots last until retirement if you want to try and only own one pair for $600??? I don't usually take these kinds of equations very seriously because many of them require too many apples-to-oranges scenarios and apparently none of these guys think they can get mildew in their boots if they never change them out or replace their socks or whatever. I still think Chinese boots will last two or three years if you are just walking around a warehouse even if the leather is thinner than PNW, but the insoles will deteriorate much faster than leather insoles if you are using them almost daily. But like I said, I don't think everyone is automatically using the correct boot for each Use Case or that RW heritage are the same quality as they once were or whatever.
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Great story. Useful insights. Interesting to learn about the new last.
Thanks for the interview Jeff & company,, definitely gonna watch after work., I know a girl who just got a pair from them and she said she was very impressed with the quality
so specifically which wire was it and where? I would of enjoyed seeing a video on that. I am thinking about changing a lot of the wires going to the ecm, throttle body induction module and throttle by wire, 2010 FLHRK, it will take off from stop sign rough, then show P1510, P1238, PN32933-10
@@jackdevine5382 I wish I could remember, and am shocked at myself for not including that. 🤔 It definitely wasn't one that went straight from one place to the other. Meaning it spliced to multiple locations. Maybe one splice was to the Engine Temp Sensor? In which case it was the Black with White stripe? But I don't think any one wire would be more prone to it than any other.
wow, I just found your videos, I had my bike apart last year, throttle by wire unplugged, seat off, computer out, unplugged at throttle, everything checked out continuity wise, it will run great for a while, then notice a bit rough taking off from stop sign. p1510, p2138 pn32933-10. looks like i need to change every wire from throttle body connector at every connection and every pin. I wonder if I should just switch to carburetor.2010 FLHRK
@@jackdevine5382 carbs have their own problems, and not as clean looking, but I hear ya on the frustration. I'd suggest pulling one pin at a time from the TB, following it while bending the wire for as far as you can,vpast the neck area for sure, then crimping a new pin and moving to the next. It won't take too long and you will either find a weak spot in a wire, or have removed at least one fretted connector. Pins are cheap, crimper is relatively cheap if you need one, and it will have a high probability of taking care of your issue. But even if you find the issue and fix it I would still suggest running the wires through a dkeave, and buying that rubber boot if you don't already have it as a preventative measure.
I've got a pair of double monks and the Dixon boots in colour 8 shell. Both are exceptionally made and great shoes/boots.
I absolutely love the Dixons I got (stock configuration in their pullup black). Last is extremely inoffensive, they are really comfortable for me. The specs are quite nice for the price.
I could not agree more with your final comments!! Only total “boot nuts” get this type of material!! Really envy you getting g an inside look! He is definitely in a class by himself
Absolutely love this inside look!! Ordered my Kreosote 7 a few months ago. Getting ready to order the nail shank 2s. It kills me to have to wait, but I totally understand and appreciate what it takes to get the work done!! The attention and discipline Gabbard is putting forth is unmatched without a doubt! Amazing! Thanks for the behind the scenes!! Loved it
I'm glad you guys got Kevin on for an interview! I've seen Kevin talk with Dale and a couple talks with Christian Ramos. It's always a must watch for boot nerds. I learn so much from his conversations. Caswell boots are some of the best you can buy.
Hell yeah!! Great talk guys!
Thanks Dale! ❤
Great interview
I see Rose Anvil is launching a new boot, based on the Vietnam Jungle Boot, and acting like this boot, the Ryker, doesn't exist...
@@riverpower9402 Frank's won't pay him. If he doesn't get paid it doesn't exist #shill
@@cloveroak5492 Good for Frank. I'm gonna save for a Ryker. I gotta ship to Ireland though which is a sting...
@@riverpower9402 one of my buddies lives in Ireland. His son lives in Chicago, so he has his Frank's sent there and when family makes a trip they bring them over for him. Sláinte 🥂
@@cloveroak5492 I see the ND4 is getting a lot of hate on Reddit! Happy times!
congrats on 500 subscribers..! thanks for the content
Hell yeah!
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CXL and shell are definitely not the same tannage. CXL is combination tanned in drums. Shell is pure veg that's pit tanned. Essex, Dublin and Derby are the ones peocessed the same way as shell, except that unlike shell they're not pit tanned.
We were talking about the second step, in the "combination" there. Chrome then same as Shell after, which is one reason CXL costs what you it does. I don't disagree with what you said, but in the context of that part of the conversation there was no reason to mention the first step.
@@cloveroak5492 Oh, got it. I missed that. 👍
What about selling boots? What do you guys recommend? I've been trying to sell boots for months at r/goodyearwelt without success. I'm asking for less than half of the price that I bought them (they're brand new, they didn't fit)
eBay is the best place I’ve found. What brand, model and size are your boots?
@@chrisofthew They're indonesian (Junkard) boondockers size 42EU (I don't know the conversion between US and EU)
Sent you a message on red it
Great advice about knowing your size and how the manufacturer's last fit for your feet when buying samples, second and sales. The summer season logically have the most sales.
I do construction and farm work in my fancy Viberg's,Roberts, Diesels, Beckmans, and RMW's because they're comfortable and are Boots made to work, not prancing around. Too much talk here about looks. Sorry rant over.
Dang! and here I just got some new prancing boots!
When I was in the military we called that prancing around Drill and Ceremony. We wore the black full grain leather boots and we always kept them looking nice. Keeping them looking nice has nothing do to with how they are used. Boots are made to protect the feet of anyone who wears them while providing support a shoe can’t. Don’t be a gatekeeper, rant over
I feel so cheated because I got into my first laced 8 inch boots and I can no longer prance around in boots due to the stiff shaft I have to break in first. I'll report back when prancing becomes possible once again.
You can prance if you want to, you can leave your friends behind....🕺
@@cheekibreeki9155 the break in period can be tough but hang in there. Being able to prance in 8” laced boots is well worth the effort!
I know Danner is not what it was. But, I picked up a pair of Bull runs for 130 euros. I think it's a steal.
That seems like a good deal to me.
Great topic
I'll 2nd what Chris said about Grant Stone b-grades/seconds.... I've had 3 and never had any issue with whatever the issue was.
This video has definitely make me bookmark a seconds moc toe truman upland in British Tan Grizzly since I now have a pair in their 79 last and know exactly what's my minimum size in Trumans should be.
I got recommended a tongue pad at Alden because of my left-E right-D feet, it intuitively makes sense to me that they'd work better in shoes than in boots.
How well is this working for you?
@@chrisofthew so full context i didnt buy anything, i was one of those annoying "hello just want to find my size" people that day haha. however i did actually have a pair of dress shoes at home with a similar unevenness and a tongue pad there has helped quite a bit, just reducing instep volume basically. at the same time, its a piece of felt that has been slowly getting crushed down over time, so a bandaid solution at best.
hell yea..! was wondering when we'd see another upload.. always a great Podcast to watch.. you guys should make BiB shirts or something soon lol, for real though! 👊
There is one thing: back in the day, there were a lot of cobblers; my Father told me so, and the shoes or boots were resoled several times, it was not a thing to throw the shoes or boots and buy new ones typically were attach new half soles that were the way to go to assure the longevity of the footwear.
Nicks, jk, whites, wesco. Own all. Love them all. And oddly love the imperfections. Especially on the whites when hand stitched. It’s amazing that they can even sell at the $500- $700 price point with the work in them
Amen
I'm sure you've covered this subject here and there in other videos but how about a detailed discussion on what to look for to determine if you've got a good fit? This thing where the overall length doesn't matter as much as arch placement is very intriguing. All you ever hear is thumb's width at the front and firm handshake at the ball. I've even heard to look for the widest part of your ball corresponding with the widest part of the welt on each side, but from the sounds of it this arch placement thing seems to be the most important of all. Moreover, what do you do if the arch is too far forward? Or too far rearward? Seems like common sense that sizing up will move the arch forward and sizing down will move the arch rearward?
We'll definitely think on whether we can make a full episode on that. 🤔 But to answer your question, there are some seperate thoughts going on with regards to wgat you wrote. 1st, is the arch, being more important than length. Which of course only applies to the very small number of makers that build an arch in. Which is mostly Spokane builders. There are ratio's and scales that occur in the human body. Some are more dependable than others. So what Mike said assumes typical proportions. But if someone's foot isn't proportionate you asked. It's really about someone having long toes or short toes here. Short toes, and the boot will overall be too long. That isn't really a problem. There are people that have been wearing normal no-arch boots 2 full sizes too big all their lives. They've done so because their feet are wide, so they had to buy boots too long to get the width they need. (I am one of those people) So there would be nothing to address for a short toe'd person assuming they don't trip themselves. Now conversely, if someone has long toes that is a problem, because the toes touch the front, which Mike did say is a problem. In that case leather piece ls would be attached to the last during building to make the boot longer. They can't give you are larger last because that would move the arch, but by attaching leather to the front of the boot they can make you a longer boot without moving the arch. The other things come down to simpler measurements for figuring out width, which is independent from what we have talked about so far. Plus there are other established additional measurements a builder can ask you to take if there are fitment issues. Or expected issues. Like if you know you have long toes that would be something you'd want to mention to the builder early on.
@@cloveroak5492 thanks for the response. I just wondered because I just got my first pair of Frank's and I frankly (lol) can't tell how much room is ahead of the big toe because the celastic prevents me from feeling it. I'd never considered arch placement before, just toe room and widest part of foot corresponding with widest part of boot. And all this is in reference to getting the length right, for the most part the width seems like an easy aspect to ascertain. It's like, you get a new pair of boots, what steps should you follow to make sure they fit right? Yeah idk maybe you're right, might not be enough there for a whole episode. Maybe just a quick reference video that could be shared to guys posting in the groups about fit.
@@evsnova74 I don't know if this helps, but I've never "found my toe" by pushing down on a toe box. I mean....probably a child in sneakers, but never anything as an adult. I've always judged it by lifting my toe upward, maybe even kicking the top of the vamp with my big toe. Somehow I am always able to "feel" where it is at with my toe instead of my hand.
@@cloveroak5492 that does help and explains a lot. As bad as celastic is, how would anyone ever be able to feel with a safety toe? Thanks Jeff
I agree; the value is definitely there. And the design of his Parlor Skar engineer boots is unique, and markedly different, from the profile of my John Lofgren engineers. I could easily justify a second pair of engineers from Kreosote, but I'm questioning whether I can wait 44 months for them to be delivered. I don't know what to do. It would be interesting to see you do an in-depth discussion of the differences and nuances in engineer boot designs between the different makers (Kreosote, John Lofgren, Role Club, Cinch, etc.). When I first became interested in engineers, they all looked basically alike to me. But the differences in toe shape, vamp angle, heal shape and size, etc. has become more obvious as I've studied them. It would be interesting to see what the consensus is regarding what constitutes a well designed engineer.
Love the idea of comparing different engineers and thinking about ultimate build(s) if you have full creative control. I'm actually going through that process presently anyway.
@@cloveroak5492 Do I understand, correctly, that you've ordered a pair of the Kreosote Parlor Skar-Spray gun engineers?
@@michaelwhynot7215 oh....no....Engineer's generally, not Gabbard's specificly. I am having some Bespoke Engineer's built off my own last, and am picking every single detail myself.
@@cloveroak5492 Ok. That sounds very interesting. I'm sure people would love to follow the process and see the results on BIB. I love these long format shows. Thanks
Thank you for showing us and thanks to Gabard for letting this to happen. Truly beautiful!
Thank you for this wonderful view of art and function being created.
Invaluable! Thanks so much.
Good move,, smoothing this episode out. Can't wait to see more with you n Jeff shootin' the shyt 👊
Gabbard’s Heritage and Legacy is to create products that are exceptional in their design and craftsmanship!
Gabbard’s Heritage and Legacy is to create products that are exceptional in their design and craftsmanship!
I understood less than half of what Gabbard said if I judge it by the ability to visualize all the stuff he was saying. That probably just means I have a lot more reading up to do.
I haven’t had bespoke boots done yet, but I’ve had 4 pairs of bespoke shoes made by the same maker. Going back to the same maker multiple times is definitely beneficial because the fit gets better each time. The process you described is pretty similar to my experience, but I never had the fit shoe. After my first measurement session, I haven’t had any subsequent in person fittings. Everything since then has been with shipping the shoes back and forth via FedEx.
46 months lead time for a boot from this artisan.
The downside of ordering from a one man shop when the word is out that he is the best.
I really enjoy the content you guys bring tho Mike's audio is a weak link. You have over $10k worth of boots on order. Spend $100 on a half decent mic. 😂
I actually have a Beyerdynamic mmx300 which is a pretty nice mic headset combo these are all settings OBS is free and not great I got a copy of Adobe premiere and normalized all the audio so this will be re-released.
I suffer less since my PC has a proper speaker configured, but yes, Mike's audio usually sounds like it's in a different channel haha.
I just uploaded a Remastered version Mike worked on, so that should make everything better if you want to check that out
Gabbard!!!
thanks guys
Wrote Gabbard the other day in hopes to get on the list for one of his engineer boots, hope theres a chance. Awesome vid!
Fingers crossed for you 🤞
That’s wild that the newer Brannock device doesn’t measure the same as the old one. 😮
Great episode! I've learned so much from your conversations, such a super channel with so many interesting topics that aren't covered anywhere else. And mad credit for the Iron Maiden gear. I've been thinking about getting a Frank's Ryker for some time now. Man, maybe it's time to pull the trigger. I'm just far enough from Spokane to make it a real pain to get up to the shop, but there's no replacement for the face to face. You guys made a lot of great points in the conversation. I would say that the most disappointing maker out of the bunch is Wesco. Their build quality seems to have slipped in the last decade and their wait times are ridiculous. I'm happy to say that I've had great fortune with JK's build quality and customer service. Gotta give them credit, I think they started out rough but they're learning to be better. I love my Vibergs, but they've had some of the least consistent customer service of the lot. Another great reason to go with Frank's. And they just are such decent people. Thanks again for the insight.
OH MANNNN GABBARD!
There should be a laser measuring machine, just like modern tailors use for measuring for suits.
It would have to figure out the squish part. A suit sits on your body does not really support it in your footwear it needs to be snug and very slightly squish your feet not sure how the laser could get that part right. If that could be figured out it would work but I wonder how many sizing issues it would have since your feet are basically almost all joints.
Those bright blue boots with the canvas uppers are absolutely exquisite, looks like some really nice leather
Law Tannery in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Best Bison tannery in the world. This leather is their Palisades line, which they hold back their best hides to create. I did a YT video specifically on those boots if you want to check it out...
The last oak bark tannery in the USA that specialized in sole and midsole leather closed in 2004. The company was Westan tanning Co. based out of Westfield, PA. I believe the Tannery that closed in 1972 that you were referring to is the Elkland Tanning Co. which is approx 15 miles from Westfield. My dad used to work at Westan until it closed in 2004. I think Whickett and Craig or Herman Oak tanneries would have the capability of making this type of leather. However, they would have to dial in the recipe for it and they would need a customer willing to commit to them to produce this type of leather so they could afford to dial it in.
I've really enjoyed watching your videos and have been learning a lot, but I don't get the hate you guys have for Nicks. They're going towards Red Wing and off-the-shelf? I truly dont understand why you think that. RW is mass produced. Nicks is all MTO except for some ready-to-ship boots that customers returned due to sizing mistakes, which the other PNW brands offer too. You can get pretty creative with the build-your-own MTO options. Maybe not as much as Frank's, but still. They discourage people from doing fit sheets? Their website explains clearly how to size their boots and how to use the fit sheet. There's even a chart that lists the ball and instep measurements of every size from 4 A up to 15 FFF. It's not difficult to take a few measurements and find your size on the chart. I guess I understand if you prefer a company to be more hands-on with sizing, but for me, the instructions were very simple and straightforward. They're limited on where they can use their leathers? Nicks has a ton of Wickett & Craig leathers, and the Double Stuffed is exclusive to them. Nearly any boot can be made with these leathers except something on the 11067 because the W&C is too stiff to last on the sprung toe. That's not unreasonable. I'm not sure what else you want from them. Sorry for the long rant but I felt like you weren't giving Nicks a fair shake. I have 8 pairs and they've all been excellent, so I thought I'd respectfully offer a different opinion.
I'm glad you are happy with Nick's. I used to like Nick's a lot too. I know where they started, where they've been, who has owned them at various points, people who have worked there, people who do work there, what they have stopped doing, what they still do, and where they are headed. A fit-sheet you do on your own through their site is NO WHERE NEAR the same thing as a mail-in fit-sheet consulted by them. Will it get a majority of the people in a pair of boots they are happy with? Yes. You are apparently in that group and I'm happy you are. But that is part of the shift. A shift away from being as MTO as they used to be. Is the McKay-Lockstitch they stopped doing, without lowering price important? Yes. Will it matter to you? 🤷♂️ I dunno,cuz I don't know you. But yeah, they are cutting a corner, and giving you less boot, without lowering the price. Is not offering Norwegian Handwelt anymore important? Probably not. But it is again heading away from true MTO. Just cuz you can't see where they are heading doesn't mean it isn't happening. So I won't "agree to disagree". This isn't a political or religious conversation of opinions. You are happy with your Nick's, and I think that's great. They still make a real good boot. Still make some of the toughest boots in the world. I have no interest in changing your mind. I share what I know, as someone who knows more than most and knows things I've been trusted not to discuss. If I'm not sure I say so or don't bring it up to begin with. If you don't want to believe me that's fine. If you don't care that's fine too. If I've helped you I'm glad to have helped. I don't get paid for this. We aren't monitized or sponsored. So helping people is truly my motivation. But I'm not gonna argue you into anything, or out of anything. I present it, and if you watch you get to digest it and decide what you want to do with it. Thanks again for watching, and I hope you keep loving your Nick's.
No, you can still get thoros for $250 or maybe even less on AMZN supposedly right now. I caution that they run a bit narrow in the toe. I think Carolina has models on there for below $200 and had a pair of Herman S that lasted quite some time for what's it worth. I think Thurs is definitely cutting some OTHER corners now even if they are overseeing the parts in each model just to keep the price artificially at that place. I guess they're still fine for what they are, but I'm less impressed than if they upgraded everything and charged the extra fifty bucks or whatever. I've likely said this before. I've never owned Timberland because I always put them in the same overhyped category as D Marten, but the Golden Fox are passable comfort enough for the price if you know you're going to trash them and don't want to spend the extra for the Thoros, etc. See, I've also said before that I think this $300 - $600 category is more for suckers almost than the lower price boots because, depending upon the brand, I don't necessarily see where all the extra money is going. Some, sure, but then it depends upon the job you do and all that. I've definitely had Payless boots last longer than 6 months and Thom McAn and some others and I paid less than a hundred bucks for them at the time which is MAYBE $300 now? I've still had sizing issues with BOTH Oak St. and Truman that which they don't run exactly and TR is almost as bad for no wide width as Thursday, right? Tr got rid of that other last that I liked better, that I've surely mentioned previously, too. J&M don't cost that much that I know of, but most their models don't come in my size except the bottom budget ones. I tried to look into Schmidt but he never replied to my comments so I have no idea what he does in terms of similar to PNW arch support, so I imagine none, same as Wesco? Some of those diners are where ye get the food poisoning, tho.
I think you guys kind of hit on part of the problem later in the thing about guys who want to LOOK like they are wearing tough boots who don't NEED tough boots, so the lines blur between what used to be WORK boots that are now called "Heritage" boots but can't really be USED as work boots and expect the same results as the old work boots. Again, those guys would be just as well off to save the dough and buy the $250 boots instead of the $400 boots, but if they REALLY must LOOK tough, they're still paying $600 for Nick's or other PNW boots, I guess. I like to have dressy boots AND work boots but I guess I've paid more for some of the work boots than the dressy boots, so I hope they last a long time even if looking perfect wasn't the complete end goal like I said about the leather choices there before regarding Nick's vs. Frank's. But since I'm not using them for extreme work scenarios in the foreseeable future, I DO hope they last a few several good years. BUT this also why those Patriots can't be rebuilt apparently, either, that could be an issue for somebody else but they don't come in my size at that price so I'd be forced to spend the extra to buy from them. There was some video where the guy had bought 13 pairs over the years or something that I wanted to watch again but couldn't find last week. A lot of guys don't do as many follow-up vids as one would like.
Sometimes our perception of what we are wearing is much more important that other peoples perception. So having the heavier duty boot is still important there even if not utilizing it to that extent. Then there is perception of longevity. Even if not working it as hard as it is intended, it still may last much longer. Then there is the people that need the arch in the footbed, so they need the better ones regardless of what they do in them. Not clear what you were referring to when saying about why the Patriot's can't be rebuilt? The Patriots certainly could be rebuilt. Frank's has said they "could" be rebuilt. Nick's has snarkily said they would be happy to rebuild a Patriot several times. The leather in the Patriot is just as tough and just as thick. Frank's CHOSES not to rebuild it. They do so mostly because it is only like 40 bucks more to buy a brand new pair. But I expect it is also to not tie up their resources for making the rest of their boots. Guy who bought 13 pairs of what? A particular brand? PNW boots in general? Spokane brands in gerneral? Something else?
@@cloveroak5492 I had watched a vid where the guy said they can't be rebuilt, so I went from what he said but could not figure out WHY. Apparently HE was wrong, but like you said, mostly just not cost-effective BUT they still don't come in my size, so I still have no idea if they are more worth getting for some people, then. But Mike was just saying that the PNW boots WON'T last forever like all the commenters claim, so maybe I would prefer the cheaper ones if I could get them in my size. Yes, I found that other vid finally and I was less mesmerized watching now than I was when first saw it. I had thought it contained a lot of heavy PNW boots but mostly he had bought a bunch of Drew's logger and Frank's Patriot boots and was playing sizing roulette more than anything else as an excuse for owning multiple pairs. But since he was only spending $300 a time and not waiting four months to get them, it was easier for him to amass a collection in a shorter time than I also thought. He had also bought a couple Fire Commander ones even though he was not a firefighter, but didn't review them in detail and mostly just talked about the fit of the less expensive pairs and how the Drew's had a less shaped heel counter... So I guess a follow-up "wear" vid seems less essential now, but other guys have left me hangin', too. People can buy whatever they want, but a lot of the boot channels are guys who don't use the heavy boots for much heavy work so they can't give the greatest real review or scope of REAL longevity and all that.
@@Highland_Paddy I had inherited a pair of red wings pecos 10' safety boots that started their life on an oil rig. I used it when I was working in a construction site. Fortunately the tasks I was doing didn't expose the boots to stuff hazardous to leather longetivity very much and me being city based instead of working remote meant the boots received full TLC. I resoled those boots a couple of times but the uppers stayed in good shape. I've since stopped working in construction so they received a final resole and they live in my wardrobe now. There's bumps, scrathes, nicks and dicoloured areas on the leather uppers sure but I made sure to keep up my leather's brushing and manintenance especially after the day is done. The boots should be around 14 years old when I retired it. In fact, me attempting to prolong the life of that inherited boot was why I got into leather boots and leather care in the first place. PNW boots aren't immortal, but if all you're doing is standing around, walking and the occassional hike to the wilderness, in my opinion there is a good chance of them outliving the owner haha. I don't think a lot of people understand just how hard you need to wear your boots to wear them down. Even some of videos I've seen Nicks show their logging boots being rebuilt after 6 years of use, their uppers weren't beaten up as bad as you would expect, it just has the issue of the leather upper having accumulated tons of debris in tiny gaps that was starting to act as abrasive and wear out the leather and stitching. Understandable since since loggers don't spend all day everyday cleaning their boots thoroughly. I know my lumberjack relatives never did. Their boots were lucky to received a brushing. I however also know of some job fields where no matter what boot you get, they're done within 3 years, 5 if you are lucky or keep up your maintenance. The Chinese cheap boots would be done in 3 months from what I have heard.
@@cheekibreeki9155 Um, well I don't really know what the start date of the RWs was before you got them and all that is semi-irrelevant unless they were built BEFORE they all had to change tanning processes, so the point I got from Mike's statement was that you can baby the PNW boots all you want or mistreat them all you want and they will still basically disintegrate from drying out in some time frame? Should I estimate that at seven years or hope it is double? Maybe ten is a fair estimate for any quality boot??? I guess this will matter more if you are 25 than if you are 45? Will your boots last until retirement if you want to try and only own one pair for $600??? I don't usually take these kinds of equations very seriously because many of them require too many apples-to-oranges scenarios and apparently none of these guys think they can get mildew in their boots if they never change them out or replace their socks or whatever. I still think Chinese boots will last two or three years if you are just walking around a warehouse even if the leather is thinner than PNW, but the insoles will deteriorate much faster than leather insoles if you are using them almost daily. But like I said, I don't think everyone is automatically using the correct boot for each Use Case or that RW heritage are the same quality as they once were or whatever.
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