I would love to see more classes on anticlastic forming. I have looked everywhere and can't find many classes online and traveling is so expensive. You are such a good teacher.
@teristeinborn487213 күн бұрын
You melted the edge!!!! Yea you!! Amazing! Brutalist! Totally my style! Right on! 👍
@teristeinborn487213 күн бұрын
Hey Pat, I watched this video in follow up to your reticulum video and just wanted to see you finish the cuff. I was a little surprised that you didn’t annealing the cuff between every round. The cuff got so hard and out of shape I was, as I said… surprised! I thought you were pretty lucky it didn’t break. It turned out beautiful though! I would have loved to see you melt the edges! Maybe on another video? Thanks for the share!
@laurenyoungs18 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@kennethtaylor789225 күн бұрын
Safety first. Never wear gloves when polishing or grinding. Nice bracelet. Neat concept.
I've taken classes from Michael Good and Cynthia Eid and yours looks just as nice!
@j1mbobtechАй бұрын
Really good "Look"... At the end how much do you get for each of the bracelets
@thedazzlingape2006Ай бұрын
the reason why it is not showing dark oxide layers is because drawing the copper to the surface and etching it away leaves you with pure silver, which does not oxidize. so its just white metal. thats called depletion.
@mitsospapas3306Ай бұрын
great work !!! what is the thickness of the metal?
@kristibbradshaw2 ай бұрын
You do know that one side will have cured corners and the other side will be square, I'm wondering????
@patcahillmetalworks322Ай бұрын
Yes, I designed it that way, have you seen the finished product, I like the look. Also it makes it a bit easier to make, 90 degree corners are not always easy to produce.
@Ocram2222222 ай бұрын
Der Deckel gehört bombiert.
@kristibbradshaw2 ай бұрын
Very beautiful.
@JaneThomas583 ай бұрын
Nice! Very clear. I’m perplexed by solder and metals and what solder goes with what metal.
@aumi.jewels3 ай бұрын
I love the earrings ❤❤❤ okay back to the video, Michelle
@TheSingular13 ай бұрын
I really loved it! Beautiful piece! Do you think it could be done using german silver instead of copper? Should I try using flux in that case? Thank you for teaching us this great technique.
@patcahillmetalworks3223 ай бұрын
I have never worked with German Silver but to determine if it would substitute check the melting point of german silver, and in this case the melting temp of sterling silver, sterling silver would need to have a lower melting temp which it does ( I just checked ), so I believe it would work. PS I don't think you need flux.
@TheSingular13 ай бұрын
@@patcahillmetalworks322 Thank you very much, really. Melting point of german silver is really high, higher than silver, brass or copper. German silver is very common for us in Southamerica. I only wonder if oxidation of german silver (by heating) could make that silver does not stick apropiately to the base. I could see, in copper, it doesn´t happen. :) Otherwise, I will do it on copper. Hope I can reach such a beautiful piece as de one you showed us in this video (or close). Thank you very much . Your pieces are really beautiful.
@user-gm3xn9hv5w3 ай бұрын
If you can't start pounding on that thing I'm out of here
@shinobidef3 ай бұрын
Another great video! Thank you and subbed. A question - if we want to texture the edges, with say a cross-pein or punches, or hammer the whole thing with a ball-pein, do we do this while the sheet is still flat before shaping with the nylon hammer?
@patcahillmetalworks3223 ай бұрын
For the edges you can do that after the Anticlastic forming. For hammering the whole piece I would do that first, anneal then proceed to forming.
@shinobidef3 ай бұрын
@@patcahillmetalworks322 Great - thank you!
@shinobidef3 ай бұрын
Very useful - thank you! I love anticlastic forms and I first saw a tutorial showing that you had to solder first (which of course I didn't want to do for a slip on cuff) so this was great and I followed the beginning steps. What do you think is the ideal gauge sheet for a cuff like this, and perhaps the maximum we could go to and stll anneal without issue? I was using 0.5mm but it felt a little too thin.
@kking074 ай бұрын
Hi Pat, I liked the ring you showed with the rectangle stone. How do you make it stay in there? I’m going to make one today. Thank you!
@armarmo9644 ай бұрын
Great video thanks
@skipphelan61304 ай бұрын
Good video! Couldn't you solder the tube onto your piece and then set the stone?
@janebaribeau46644 ай бұрын
❤
@olegpetelevitch44435 ай бұрын
Yes they are top stuff !
@Tsukikao5 ай бұрын
I like your saw, what kind/brand is it?
@patcahillmetalworks3225 ай бұрын
That is a Knew Concepts Jeweler's Saw Frame there are many available in many sizes.
@Tsukikao5 ай бұрын
@@patcahillmetalworks322 ok, thank you :) But I think you're talking about the red one. I was wondering about the other one. It seems like you slide the blade inside holes, instead of like mine between two plates. But maybe I'm not seeing right. And thank you for your videos, they are really helpful!
@patcahillmetalworks3225 ай бұрын
Oh, ok well I have three saws the one you are asking about is a old one I found at a yard sale so I can't say where you can find it. @@Tsukikao
@Tsukikao5 ай бұрын
@@patcahillmetalworks322 ok, thank you anyway :)
@user-sy1el6fh4h5 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for these videos. I am excited to try it. Can you tell me where you got the stake set up and the hammer that you are working with? Thanks!
@patcahillmetalworks3225 ай бұрын
I got them while taking a workshop with Michael Good on Anticlastic Forming (at a reduced package deal as part of the workshop) I believe that you can get them at www.fretzdesign.com/ but they are not cheap.
@barbieturner32515 ай бұрын
Great video. Thanks!
@patcahillmetalworks3225 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@ArcticxBeaver5 ай бұрын
Hi Pat, how did you insert and secure the metal rod into the nylon to create the stakes?
@patcahillmetalworks3225 ай бұрын
I didn't I bought it that way.
@majeric5 ай бұрын
Thank you. My father use to make bangles and he taught me once as a kid but I've since forgotten. I was nice that this video existed so that I had a refresher.
@user-hj5xt3sh1c5 ай бұрын
Please help! I want a completely plain bangle 6cm weighing 40g, the jeweller is telling me i will need 80grm of silver because of waste? I have never heard of this before so is this true. i would be so grateful for your reply.
@patcahillmetalworks3225 ай бұрын
No that can not be true even if you are casting the wire I don't think that you would need 2x the weight, but I would not suggest casting it. Just buy sterling silver round wire. Determine in the length needed for a plain bangle at 6cm internal diameter the weight will be determined by the gauge of the wire used, then add about 2.5 to 5% more for cutting and filing the ends. I hope that helps
@BWV528andante5 ай бұрын
Molto bello, bravo!
@Eclectic_RN6 ай бұрын
Neat, thank you. Why does the repeated heating not create firescale? Or is it that firescale is being created, and then the copper etched away? How about using Argentium?
@patcahillmetalworks3226 ай бұрын
Good questions. Firescale is covered up by the repeated heating, pickling and brass brushing leaving a thin layer of fine silver. Yes you can use Argentium and actually get away with fewer heating pickling cycles.
@joejeweller76146 ай бұрын
Nice I learned that a hexagonal box is a six sided box thanks
@mastewart89286 ай бұрын
How do you solder a bangle on a person?
@patcahillmetalworks3226 ай бұрын
I am not sure I understand your question, YIKES It would be very painful to solder a bangle while the person was wearing it, again I must not understand your question. Wait it just occurred to me that one can probably do this if they have a laser welder, but I have no experience with laser welders, would love to have one but alas I don't have the funds.
@jeannettesalazar64426 ай бұрын
The formula is not clear, please explain me how it is the correct formula. 😊
@patcahillmetalworks3226 ай бұрын
It is quite simple: You want to determine the length of silver wire needed for your bangle. 1. First determined the size you need by measuring the distance from your first knuckle (pinky finger) to your knuckle on your index finger, for me it is 3 inches. 2. The formula needed is: Length of silver wire = the size (3 inches for me) plus the thickness of the wire (0.1 inch for 10 gauge sterling silver wire) times Pi ~3.14. 3. So length of wire needed is (3 +0.1) X 3.14 or 9.734 inches. I might of confused you by modifying this a slight bit because if you want a hammered bangle the hammering will increase the size a bit so I used ~9.5 inches instead of 9.732 inches and as I hammer I keep checking the internal diameter to make sure that it is stretches to 3 inches. I hope that helps.
@jeannettesalazar64426 ай бұрын
@@patcahillmetalworks322 thanks ☺️
@dianefarias52076 ай бұрын
Beautiful work. I covet your wonderful tools. Lol
@jeannettesalazar64426 ай бұрын
How many times repeat the processes. Thanks 😊
@patcahillmetalworks3226 ай бұрын
5 to 6 times or until when you only see milkly white surface then just one more time for good luck.
@graemeeasterbrook49316 ай бұрын
What gauge is the silver wire ?
@patcahillmetalworks3226 ай бұрын
I use 10 gauge round wire.
@genechavez32536 ай бұрын
Very nice work and I like your technique!
@lenastiward86576 ай бұрын
It would have been helpful for most of us that do not have that hexagonal form to bend around to know how you would proceed with making that shape. Such a beautiful box! Thank you for sharing this!❤
@marthalyttonvantrees11197 ай бұрын
Great video! What gauge silver are you using?
@kjmncspkn4 ай бұрын
I believe 20ga is recommended for this ring in the book Professional Goldsmithing by Alan Revere
@Junoshelly7 ай бұрын
Pat, will you be posting again soon? Missing your tutorials. 😢
@daimler6037 ай бұрын
thank you for the lesson, thank you for telling me what kind of stone it is!!!
@daimler6037 ай бұрын
Super🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@milouschmidt7 ай бұрын
Thank you for a great video ❤ can I ise the bee hive kiln without the temperature regulator? How do I apply the gold foil on a cuff that is already big and convex? Thank you for your advice 😊
@patcahillmetalworks3227 ай бұрын
I don't know about use without the regulator you probably can but it would be best to contact the maker. Applying the gold foil on a finished cuff is tricky the whole surface needs to be at the proper temp and a small kiln like the beehive probably would not be able to do it.
@aisoalboaiso7 ай бұрын
Hi, what was the thickness of the sheet ?
@patcahillmetalworks3227 ай бұрын
I believe it is 18 gauge
@aisoalboaiso7 ай бұрын
@@patcahillmetalworks322Thank you! now I think you said it but my brain used to mm ignored it😂
@catherinemartina64697 ай бұрын
what type of wire? what gauge? hard, 1/2 hard or dead soft?
@patcahillmetalworks3227 ай бұрын
20 gauge, hardness doesn't really matter as long as it is soft enough to take the curves without springing back. In the end you can harden the ear-wires by tumbling in stainless shot for at least 4 hours.
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I would love to see more classes on anticlastic forming. I have looked everywhere and can't find many classes online and traveling is so expensive. You are such a good teacher.
You melted the edge!!!! Yea you!! Amazing! Brutalist! Totally my style! Right on! 👍
Hey Pat, I watched this video in follow up to your reticulum video and just wanted to see you finish the cuff. I was a little surprised that you didn’t annealing the cuff between every round. The cuff got so hard and out of shape I was, as I said… surprised! I thought you were pretty lucky it didn’t break. It turned out beautiful though! I would have loved to see you melt the edges! Maybe on another video? Thanks for the share!
Thank you!
Safety first. Never wear gloves when polishing or grinding. Nice bracelet. Neat concept.
What is "sticky gluie stuff"?
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I've taken classes from Michael Good and Cynthia Eid and yours looks just as nice!
Really good "Look"... At the end how much do you get for each of the bracelets
the reason why it is not showing dark oxide layers is because drawing the copper to the surface and etching it away leaves you with pure silver, which does not oxidize. so its just white metal. thats called depletion.
great work !!! what is the thickness of the metal?
You do know that one side will have cured corners and the other side will be square, I'm wondering????
Yes, I designed it that way, have you seen the finished product, I like the look. Also it makes it a bit easier to make, 90 degree corners are not always easy to produce.
Der Deckel gehört bombiert.
Very beautiful.
Nice! Very clear. I’m perplexed by solder and metals and what solder goes with what metal.
I love the earrings ❤❤❤ okay back to the video, Michelle
I really loved it! Beautiful piece! Do you think it could be done using german silver instead of copper? Should I try using flux in that case? Thank you for teaching us this great technique.
I have never worked with German Silver but to determine if it would substitute check the melting point of german silver, and in this case the melting temp of sterling silver, sterling silver would need to have a lower melting temp which it does ( I just checked ), so I believe it would work. PS I don't think you need flux.
@@patcahillmetalworks322 Thank you very much, really. Melting point of german silver is really high, higher than silver, brass or copper. German silver is very common for us in Southamerica. I only wonder if oxidation of german silver (by heating) could make that silver does not stick apropiately to the base. I could see, in copper, it doesn´t happen. :) Otherwise, I will do it on copper. Hope I can reach such a beautiful piece as de one you showed us in this video (or close). Thank you very much . Your pieces are really beautiful.
If you can't start pounding on that thing I'm out of here
Another great video! Thank you and subbed. A question - if we want to texture the edges, with say a cross-pein or punches, or hammer the whole thing with a ball-pein, do we do this while the sheet is still flat before shaping with the nylon hammer?
For the edges you can do that after the Anticlastic forming. For hammering the whole piece I would do that first, anneal then proceed to forming.
@@patcahillmetalworks322 Great - thank you!
Very useful - thank you! I love anticlastic forms and I first saw a tutorial showing that you had to solder first (which of course I didn't want to do for a slip on cuff) so this was great and I followed the beginning steps. What do you think is the ideal gauge sheet for a cuff like this, and perhaps the maximum we could go to and stll anneal without issue? I was using 0.5mm but it felt a little too thin.
Hi Pat, I liked the ring you showed with the rectangle stone. How do you make it stay in there? I’m going to make one today. Thank you!
Great video thanks
Good video! Couldn't you solder the tube onto your piece and then set the stone?
❤
Yes they are top stuff !
I like your saw, what kind/brand is it?
That is a Knew Concepts Jeweler's Saw Frame there are many available in many sizes.
@@patcahillmetalworks322 ok, thank you :) But I think you're talking about the red one. I was wondering about the other one. It seems like you slide the blade inside holes, instead of like mine between two plates. But maybe I'm not seeing right. And thank you for your videos, they are really helpful!
Oh, ok well I have three saws the one you are asking about is a old one I found at a yard sale so I can't say where you can find it. @@Tsukikao
@@patcahillmetalworks322 ok, thank you anyway :)
Thanks so much for these videos. I am excited to try it. Can you tell me where you got the stake set up and the hammer that you are working with? Thanks!
I got them while taking a workshop with Michael Good on Anticlastic Forming (at a reduced package deal as part of the workshop) I believe that you can get them at www.fretzdesign.com/ but they are not cheap.
Great video. Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Hi Pat, how did you insert and secure the metal rod into the nylon to create the stakes?
I didn't I bought it that way.
Thank you. My father use to make bangles and he taught me once as a kid but I've since forgotten. I was nice that this video existed so that I had a refresher.
Please help! I want a completely plain bangle 6cm weighing 40g, the jeweller is telling me i will need 80grm of silver because of waste? I have never heard of this before so is this true. i would be so grateful for your reply.
No that can not be true even if you are casting the wire I don't think that you would need 2x the weight, but I would not suggest casting it. Just buy sterling silver round wire. Determine in the length needed for a plain bangle at 6cm internal diameter the weight will be determined by the gauge of the wire used, then add about 2.5 to 5% more for cutting and filing the ends. I hope that helps
Molto bello, bravo!
Neat, thank you. Why does the repeated heating not create firescale? Or is it that firescale is being created, and then the copper etched away? How about using Argentium?
Good questions. Firescale is covered up by the repeated heating, pickling and brass brushing leaving a thin layer of fine silver. Yes you can use Argentium and actually get away with fewer heating pickling cycles.
Nice I learned that a hexagonal box is a six sided box thanks
How do you solder a bangle on a person?
I am not sure I understand your question, YIKES It would be very painful to solder a bangle while the person was wearing it, again I must not understand your question. Wait it just occurred to me that one can probably do this if they have a laser welder, but I have no experience with laser welders, would love to have one but alas I don't have the funds.
The formula is not clear, please explain me how it is the correct formula. 😊
It is quite simple: You want to determine the length of silver wire needed for your bangle. 1. First determined the size you need by measuring the distance from your first knuckle (pinky finger) to your knuckle on your index finger, for me it is 3 inches. 2. The formula needed is: Length of silver wire = the size (3 inches for me) plus the thickness of the wire (0.1 inch for 10 gauge sterling silver wire) times Pi ~3.14. 3. So length of wire needed is (3 +0.1) X 3.14 or 9.734 inches. I might of confused you by modifying this a slight bit because if you want a hammered bangle the hammering will increase the size a bit so I used ~9.5 inches instead of 9.732 inches and as I hammer I keep checking the internal diameter to make sure that it is stretches to 3 inches. I hope that helps.
@@patcahillmetalworks322 thanks ☺️
Beautiful work. I covet your wonderful tools. Lol
How many times repeat the processes. Thanks 😊
5 to 6 times or until when you only see milkly white surface then just one more time for good luck.
What gauge is the silver wire ?
I use 10 gauge round wire.
Very nice work and I like your technique!
It would have been helpful for most of us that do not have that hexagonal form to bend around to know how you would proceed with making that shape. Such a beautiful box! Thank you for sharing this!❤
Great video! What gauge silver are you using?
I believe 20ga is recommended for this ring in the book Professional Goldsmithing by Alan Revere
Pat, will you be posting again soon? Missing your tutorials. 😢
thank you for the lesson, thank you for telling me what kind of stone it is!!!
Super🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thank you for a great video ❤ can I ise the bee hive kiln without the temperature regulator? How do I apply the gold foil on a cuff that is already big and convex? Thank you for your advice 😊
I don't know about use without the regulator you probably can but it would be best to contact the maker. Applying the gold foil on a finished cuff is tricky the whole surface needs to be at the proper temp and a small kiln like the beehive probably would not be able to do it.
Hi, what was the thickness of the sheet ?
I believe it is 18 gauge
@@patcahillmetalworks322Thank you! now I think you said it but my brain used to mm ignored it😂
what type of wire? what gauge? hard, 1/2 hard or dead soft?
20 gauge, hardness doesn't really matter as long as it is soft enough to take the curves without springing back. In the end you can harden the ear-wires by tumbling in stainless shot for at least 4 hours.
Bellissimo e bravissimo, grazie
Can you tumble it after it's finished?