The decisiin of roslin the beginning to gather all the ships together nearly destroyed the human civilazation. He gathered all the civilian ship in one place . The cylon intercepted the fllery and destroyed the half of the fleet...
@georgegal14 ай бұрын
As for adama it was ready to fight alone the cylons. He changed his mind . It was a wring decision. You cant have elections or president in time of such kind of disaster.. the end was the destruction of humsn civilazation..
@georgegal14 ай бұрын
His gave to colonians a great tactical victory .Cylons lost 3 baseships . Everything he did was according military rules.. I want to remind you that adama and roslin led to people to new caprica . Obeying the orders of this treator baltar. Anearly annihilate the humans . All the adamaw decisions were wrong. He obeyed the orders of a president that he was crazy with narcotics.. According to adama admiral cain did anything by the book... As admits in the end of razor.. As for adama led his people in to a planet without technology destroyed the fleet. And condemn the survivors to agonizing death .. the daybreak is the worst episode of science fiction ever.. For example picard kirk. Never should have destroyed the fleet . Only an idiot should have done that..
@Adiddy927 Жыл бұрын
Cain was ruthless, while Adama have a heart and care for everyone under his command.
@josefadama2087 Жыл бұрын
Adama was corrupt as frack. Gaius Balter hit the nail on the head when he asked Chief Tyrol, "Do you think the fleet will be led by anyone not named Adama" How many non Caprican, Tauron were put im command positions?
@JohnG446 ай бұрын
@josefadama2087 who cares what balter thinks he was super corrupt at least adama listen to his crew that why he was better to lead.
@chissstardestroyer Жыл бұрын
One serious element inside BSG (both universes) is that Count Iblis' surprise attacks were *alarmingly* successful and profoundly devastating in its attempted genocide of humanity via robotic creatures it'd become the fake god of.
@chissstardestroyer Жыл бұрын
You want a fully functional way to see her? Think "prodigal child" as she's the sort to be lead by her heart, not her head; hence she makes profoundly *stupid* decisions regarding romance- in fact, I have a sneaking suspicion that she was in a "civil union" with her lover, Gina, and that only intensifies her anger at her "spouse's" betrayal of all their friends and neighbors- understandable, but wow was she *dumb* to do that in the first place!
@turtledan2513 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a story about how Cain got her command. Don't feel like she earned it 🤷
@josefadama2087 Жыл бұрын
Why?
@F40PH-2CAT Жыл бұрын
@Tony B her mother was well connected.
@andrewnlarsen5 ай бұрын
@@F40PH-2CAT Its more of her family was well connected and if you include the game Battlestar Galactica Deadlock...its actually her grandmother.
@MrCharlieSeo2 жыл бұрын
What exactly is the point of revenge with one warship against limitless enemy with NOTHING to win or protect?
@AptMantis2278 Жыл бұрын
Well to be honest, at this point they had no clue if there was anyone else alive, and since there was only a couple thousand of them, humanity was bound to go extinct as there isn’t enough of them to continue the human race. And since humanity is doomed (in their opinion) and they have a warship they might as well us it. Plus the fact that basically everyone they knew that wasn’t on the ship is now dead which leads a good portion of people to want revenge, after all if someone killed my family and friends I would hunt them down
@wombat-ut4hl Жыл бұрын
What was the alternative? Lay down and die?
@Markus-tn7wq2 жыл бұрын
So say we all.
@nfldend5012 жыл бұрын
What out President Rosolin this is what Adama would have been
@adamwright97412 жыл бұрын
I never liked the phrase: "so say we all". For one human being to assume to speak for everyone else, and then use it as a chant of coercement to get everybody to have to say the same thing, I believe is an infringement of what humanity really stands for.
@ilenastarbreeze49782 жыл бұрын
It could be viewes that way. But it could also be we all say thing because we believe in it and we are united behind what we are saying. But i ca. Also 100% see a culty mind behind it too
@wombat-ut4hl Жыл бұрын
It has to be used in appropriate, solemn settings and carefully. But the idea of it is the same as many real-world rough equivalents ("amen", Pledge of Allegiance, chanting "U-S-A" or "God save the King/Queen" etc) where there is a desire to feel and express solidarity. In this case, they have been through a collective trauma and in response, they are responding in an expression of resolve and unity. Whether it's "good" or "bad," it is what people do.
@airdriver2 жыл бұрын
I always thought they killed Cain and Fisk off way too soon. It would have made some good episodes trying to figure out what place her and the Pegasus played in the grand scheme of things. I personaqlly would have loved to have seen future encounters between Cain and Laura Rossylin. There was a character dynamic that needed to be explored. Eventually they could have killed Cain off and destroyed the Pegasus in the battle of New Caprica.
@davemiller60552 жыл бұрын
Cain was a good commander that was damaged and she eventually cracked and went over the edge, doing bad things. She meant well, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Michelle Forbes was great in the role. And damn is she gorgeous.
@davemiller60552 жыл бұрын
Michelle Forbes is drop dead gorgeous.
@stardaggerrihannsu2363 Жыл бұрын
She never was gorgeous, but she is certainly THE SEX!
@deathstrike2 жыл бұрын
Cain gave the best speech she could but she should have this instead: "To my brothers and sisters aboard Pegasus, and YES I said brothers and sisters because as of right now, WE may be all that is left of the once great 12 Colonies of Kobol. Our worlds, our cities, our families, have been destroyed by an enemy that will give us no quarter, show us no mercy, and will NOT be satisfied until each and every one of us remaining is dead. So I ask you as the last remnants of the 12 Colonies of Kobol to join me now, not in an act of petty vengeance for what has been unleashed upon us, but as the final testament of humankind's will to survive!!! Our home the Pegasus, will blaze a trail across space unleashing Hades greatest fury against an enemy both of flesh, and technology. We WILL show NO mercy to the Cylons!!! We will give them no space to hide in!! And when the final Cylon bleeds it's vile fluids upon this deck we shall rebuild our great humanity!! No longer as 12 Colonies, but one mighty race!! One sword whose children will never know the eternal pain that the Cylons have wrought upon us!! So as of now, this vessel stands at battle ready, and I know in my heart each and everyone of you who crew this mighty Battlestar will give your last breath to defend her and those she carries. And as your Admiral, I pledge my last breath upon the ashes of the Cylon Empire. So say I. SO SAY WE ALL!!!!!!!
@GlamorousTitanic212 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing speech! I can’t deny that I first read it in Cain’s voice.
@MercSambo2 жыл бұрын
Nah, it’s way off point for the character. She KNEW and lived her a status. Even to the point Of ordering executions of Adama’s crew members without using a jury
@dynestis28752 жыл бұрын
No
@David_Blake912 жыл бұрын
Naaaah
@ibnbattuta13042 жыл бұрын
The XO was a pussy and deserved the bullet 🙂
@FishKepr2 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: Ronald Moore had to get special permission from the Screen Actors Guild for the extras to chant “So say we all!” since they normally don’t have speaking roles.
@dynestis28752 жыл бұрын
That's an absolutely retarded thing to ask permission for.
@ricoender80202 жыл бұрын
@@dynestis2875 it's a highly controlling organization.
@richardbeckenbaugh18052 жыл бұрын
Cain was a monster who killed her own civilians for the sheer joy of it. She tortured prisoners for the sheer joy of it as well. She abused her own staff even before the attack just for the cruel joy it gave her. None of this was necessary, it was just who she was. You turn your back on her, she’d stab you. Adama stood by his people through hell. Cain abandoned and betrayed not only her people but every principle and ultimately even herself. The writers gave her the name to illustrate what she was. A person who abused every power she was trusted with. I would ask for a transfer away from that ship and that person as soon as possible. Just a matter of time before she or one of her subordinates put a knife in your back. No excuse necessary. I’d follow Adama through hell. Loyalty down, loyalty up. Cains only loyalty was to vengeance against everyone and everything including herself. It was already consuming her before the war began. The war just speeded up the process. Cains responsibility was to protect the civilians she found herself in charge of. Instead, she murdered them and ran off to seek “revenge.” Absolute betrayal of everyone and everything she was supposed to stand for, not to mention becoming a murderer in the process. Anyone saying that they would follow her is saying that they would condone the murder of their own people for fun. Think about that.
@dalethelander37812 жыл бұрын
Revenge for what? What traumatized her so much that her only emotions were anger and self-loathing?
@sword40052 жыл бұрын
@@dalethelander3781 during the first cylon war she abandoned her own sister to hide from the cylons, the guilt and self loathing from that what drove her to become so twisted
@dibbsutd3 жыл бұрын
Some of those "So say we all's" were a bit half hearted. I bet a lot of them were thinking, "let's run for a bit" .
@luisguzman36573 жыл бұрын
Peace was never an option
@chrisrautmann89363 жыл бұрын
Survival was an option.
@richardbeckenbaugh18052 жыл бұрын
Survival was never an option for Cain. She was self destructing even before the attack. The war just speeded up the process. She just took a lot of civilians and her own people with her. She murdered the civilians deliberately and then took her own people’s lives when she tried to commit suicide. She killed more of her own people than the cylons did. Taking her out saved a lot of lives. Adama was loyal to his people. Cain was loyal to killing. The cylons, her own people, civilians, it didn’t matter. Anyone and everyone, it didn’t matter what side you were on. The self hate she had going drove her to hate the entire universe and gave her the excuse she needed to justify anything she felt like doing.
@luisguzman36572 жыл бұрын
@@richardbeckenbaugh1805 based.
@zachjones69443 жыл бұрын
She didn’t take any shit.
@highlander7233 жыл бұрын
Republicans 2021
@zachjones69443 жыл бұрын
Interesting....Conservatives tend to be social darwinists.
@highlander7233 жыл бұрын
@@zachjones6944 You think we're going to forget that you people stole the election not likely
@ISCREAM.STORE13 жыл бұрын
@@highlander723 @Zach Jones sigh...... I wish i could offer you both something to drink, and some common ground to make our differences seem less important than we give them credit for. You are both from one of the greatest countries in the world, and your countrymen do you all a great injustice by getting co opted by the forces of evil. Whilst i agree in principal with Highlander, it must be recognized that politics is very very dirty indeed, and both sides are guilty of something. Whilst the Democrats spend billions of dollars trying to derail Republicans and Donald Trump, who is the real victim of all this partisanship? You, your friends, your families, your loved ones. YOU!!!! I had my gripes with Republicans sure, for example Ted Cruz always "talked" a good game, but when push comes to shove he seems to vanish, but maybe thats my perception. But the worst part of it all was a deleted tweet, posted by AOC herself. In short, she said businesses need to be closed down till november, thriving businesses and a good economy will get Trump re elected. So AOC has spelled it out very clear for everyone to see, she and her squad, and probably many many more democrats are willing to sacrifice American lives for their own selfish ends. They do not care if you lose your business, do not care if you lose your job, do not care if you lose your home, do not care if you lose your life - unless it can be politically spun in a way to attack Donald Trump and hurt the Republicans. AOC says half of congress nearly lost their lives......bullshit! rewind to the 80's when actual domestic terrorists detonated bombs. One of the convicted ring leaders was then pardoned by Bill Clinton, allegedly his last act but i do not know about that. Allegedly, 30 plus years later that terrorist is on the board for BLM or Antifa, aka domestic terrorist groups. lots of businesses are forced to close for good, who are the victims? Americans, not politicians, many politicians by their very partisanship end up forfeiting their nationality because they spew hatred and policies you might have expected in Soviet Stalins USSR..... or Mao's China!
@ISCREAM.STORE13 жыл бұрын
@@zachjones6944 How many of them do you really know on a deep level? A few measly examples you have witnessed along your travels has convinced you that your statement is a fact when applied to the broader spectrum? You do not serve yourself well by painting the armed side of your country as evil people, the truth is that they have to be armed to protect themselves from sociopaths that believe people who disagree with them are the enemy and want to march them off to the gas chamber. Come on man. You dont really believe Joe got more votes than voters in Georgia do you? You dont really believe that Joe got more votes than Obama do you? Joe couldn't even get a crowd, but Trump filled stadiums over and over and over again. So then you blame Trump supporters for spreading covid because they went to rallys, well i am sorry but you cannot use that as a weapon to prevent someone from campaigning for office. The people have a right to listen, and they have a right to have their voices heard, but i am sure the Democrats will soon enough end all free speech in America. Ah well, it is very interesting watching America from the UK, either way the west is fucked unless something dramatic happens soon xD
@jamesxiaolong21993 жыл бұрын
Oh come on they’re not that cool.
@SuperSaiyanAl4 жыл бұрын
Gina nodding along while thinking “shit shit shit fuck shit this is bad this is bad shit fuck shit”
@TheBourbonCoach4 жыл бұрын
Cain was a badass,,,,
@richardbeckenbaugh18052 жыл бұрын
Cain was just bad. Murdered civilians for the joy of it. Abused her own crew before the attack for fun. Ran away from her responsibilities to commit suicide. Tortured prisoners for fun. No loyalty or principles whatsoever. Her failure to save her sister gave her the self hate that drove her to destroy everyone and everything around her when given the opportunity. She was given the name to signify what she was. Evil personified.
@geraldshields90354 жыл бұрын
This speech was a mirror image of the “Find Earth” speech Adama gave. But with Cain, there was a different solution.
@iantolyczak84114 жыл бұрын
I'd rather be under Cain then adama
@tammymartinez74884 жыл бұрын
Than you probably be dead!
@defender37374 жыл бұрын
Are you sure about that?
@damiendamien86953 жыл бұрын
Her heart is in the right place, I'm sure we can understand why she feels the way she does, but sometimes you gotta accept your loses and run. Fighting a battle you sure to loose is stupid.
@resultancan1153 жыл бұрын
in comics she loses almost every wargame against the smaller vessel type Valkyrie Class Battlestar and then in series Adama says to The President that he wouldn't count on the Pegasus cuz he knew she don't know how to use Mercury Class Battlestar
@raoulhery3 жыл бұрын
So say we all
@Boki104 жыл бұрын
Cain did nothing wrong
@HAL-zn6hd4 жыл бұрын
cain is my waifu
@merrt034th83 жыл бұрын
I’d follow Cain into hell and back
@josefadama20873 жыл бұрын
@@merrt034th8 and beat up Lucifer while there.
@Mobius_1183 жыл бұрын
@@merrt034th8 The Pegasus did Cain proud by taking as many Toasters as it could with it when it finally marched into hell.
@BWCheese3 жыл бұрын
She had civilians that didn't want to leave their family executed
@robinsonjones15717 жыл бұрын
A very different turn of events then on the Galactica. I say that the President changed Adamas objective for the better.
@josefadama20877 жыл бұрын
Robinson Jones No, Admiral Cain was a leader
@zachavery18836 жыл бұрын
And Adama wasn't? Lol. Cain went nuts. She killed and aborted civilians for her guerilla warfare. If it wasn't for the President, Adama would have done the same - and eventually mankind would have been wiped out.
@DLordSadow5 жыл бұрын
Zach Avery No, Adama would NEVER have done any such thing. Now abandoning the civilians so he could fight the Cylons alone, yes he could and would have if not for Roslin’s influence.
@kumanon94664 жыл бұрын
@@josefadama2087 Admiral Cain was stupid as a leader. Obviously the imperative was survival at that point.
@Ajax10634 жыл бұрын
What we know for sure is that Adama and Cain are only similar when it comes to their decisions to fight instead of running or hiding. After this we cannot say for certain how either would have reacted since their circumstances were too dissimilar. The Galactica, despite getting hit with a nuke earlier, was nearly unscathed from the opening attacks. More pilots and planes aside, tactically speaking, what Adama needed was ordnance. The 50,000 civilians had no use to him, and as far as he knew only remnants of the fleet remained. In his mind, he needed to get as he put it, "back into the fight". He didn't think the war was over, "It hasn't even begun" remember? Fun fact, even before this show came out and based on our own specie history, some studies suggest that a diverse population of 50,000 is enough to keep a specie from going extinct. So when this estimate was mentioned by Roslin that there's no one else, we have to run and make babies, I smiled remembering this fact from schooling and wondered if the show runners knew this before writing those lines of dialogue. Moving on, the Pegasus, as depicted in Razor, suffered what appears to be far more damage than the Galactica in the opening attacks. In addition, before the opening attack while the Pegasus was docked in the shipyards and receiving a retrofit, an exchange between Cain and her XO seems to suggest that part of her crew may have already been off-ship. Also, Cain mentioned in the series that she suffered a loss of 700 in the initial attack. Given all of this, we have no idea how many crew members she had left to staff Pegasus. Finally, when it comes to the status of the war, since it may have taken a few days if not over a week to repair the damage and assess their situation, as far as they knew they were the only humans left alive. Since a Mercury-class Battlestar, like Pegasus, only needs 2000 crew members, this would imply, given their losses, that they had at most 1300 people. At this point, fighting, running, or hiding would all lead to humanity's inevitable extinction. I don't know about you but if my death is certain, I'm going out fighting. And I think that's what any military personnel would do. Even after Cain finds her own civilian fleet, her actions are technically still rational. Please allow me to explain. Other BSG fans can correct me here if I'm wrong, but I think I read somewhere that this smaller civilian fleet had only between a few thousand and around 10,000 people. Forgive me for my cold approach here, but even with the Pegasus' 1000 or so crew members, 11,000 people, even if they were genetically diverse, is not enough to avoid extinction. Hence, attempting to preserve this civilian fleet is inconsequential in the long run. And given the fact that she desperately needs more personnel and materials to maintain and repair the Pegasus during its final and suicidal journey for revenge, it's understandable despite seeming ruthless why she did what she did. In her mind, death was a certainty, and she wanted to hurt the Cylons as much as possible before humanity faded into non-existence. The real and most critical turning point in her character comes when she finds Adama and the rest of the fleet. At this point everything changes, death is no longer a certainty, there are enough humans left to start over, and she no longer needs to fight an un-winnable war. But I think at this point, she had been so consumed with revenge and hatred from her lover's betrayal that she placed her hate for the Cylons above humanity's salvation. She or someone with authority (the ship's' doctor maybe?) should have recognized that she was mentally and emotionally compromised, making her unfit for duty, and immediately relieving her of command. However, whatever structure that existed to do this was gone. Hence, why she needed to die in order to keep humanity safe. It's so interesting to put all this in perspective. I think the show runners wanted to use Cain to show what Adama would have been without Roslin, but I would argue that even with a Roslin character, her fate would have been nearly the same.
@michaelskok51358 жыл бұрын
This is garbage. Where's the original series with Lorne Greene and Lloyd Bridges? Talk about sex change operations--this is ridiculous!
@alduintheanti-dragonborn8 жыл бұрын
"SO SAY WE ALL!"
@johnmcgee62974 жыл бұрын
LOL
@BattlestarGenesis3 жыл бұрын
You just can't comprehend the show. It's okay to admit that. You're the type of sorry old sag bag to whine and moan about liberals taking over the media with their gender politics in shows. Shut up.
@davemiller60552 жыл бұрын
@@BattlestarGenesis Well, there is a lot of gender and race swapping in the show. All to check diversity boxes. And liberals took over the media a long time ago.
@BattlestarGenesis2 жыл бұрын
@@davemiller6055 brilliant show and casting
@thelittlestmig33948 жыл бұрын
So good to see version of this that isn't drowned in that god awful "Requiem for a dream". Thanks!
@i_hate_google_9 жыл бұрын
I hope the symbolism is as clear to every one as it is to me, that Cain stands for the mythical Cain and Able and it represents human faults.
@1Fireskull10 жыл бұрын
It's the only vid of this speech that is clear to hear. All the others are so muddled. Thanks.
@josefadama208711 жыл бұрын
For a while there I thought I was the only one who wanted this...
@josefadama208711 жыл бұрын
I have the video but apparently NBC doesn't appreciate it
@sasquach1811 жыл бұрын
AH FINALLY! About time someone puts this up without crappy music.
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The decisiin of roslin the beginning to gather all the ships together nearly destroyed the human civilazation. He gathered all the civilian ship in one place . The cylon intercepted the fllery and destroyed the half of the fleet...
As for adama it was ready to fight alone the cylons. He changed his mind . It was a wring decision. You cant have elections or president in time of such kind of disaster.. the end was the destruction of humsn civilazation..
His gave to colonians a great tactical victory .Cylons lost 3 baseships . Everything he did was according military rules.. I want to remind you that adama and roslin led to people to new caprica . Obeying the orders of this treator baltar. Anearly annihilate the humans . All the adamaw decisions were wrong. He obeyed the orders of a president that he was crazy with narcotics.. According to adama admiral cain did anything by the book... As admits in the end of razor.. As for adama led his people in to a planet without technology destroyed the fleet. And condemn the survivors to agonizing death .. the daybreak is the worst episode of science fiction ever.. For example picard kirk. Never should have destroyed the fleet . Only an idiot should have done that..
Cain was ruthless, while Adama have a heart and care for everyone under his command.
Adama was corrupt as frack. Gaius Balter hit the nail on the head when he asked Chief Tyrol, "Do you think the fleet will be led by anyone not named Adama" How many non Caprican, Tauron were put im command positions?
@josefadama2087 who cares what balter thinks he was super corrupt at least adama listen to his crew that why he was better to lead.
One serious element inside BSG (both universes) is that Count Iblis' surprise attacks were *alarmingly* successful and profoundly devastating in its attempted genocide of humanity via robotic creatures it'd become the fake god of.
You want a fully functional way to see her? Think "prodigal child" as she's the sort to be lead by her heart, not her head; hence she makes profoundly *stupid* decisions regarding romance- in fact, I have a sneaking suspicion that she was in a "civil union" with her lover, Gina, and that only intensifies her anger at her "spouse's" betrayal of all their friends and neighbors- understandable, but wow was she *dumb* to do that in the first place!
I'd like to see a story about how Cain got her command. Don't feel like she earned it 🤷
Why?
@Tony B her mother was well connected.
@@F40PH-2CAT Its more of her family was well connected and if you include the game Battlestar Galactica Deadlock...its actually her grandmother.
What exactly is the point of revenge with one warship against limitless enemy with NOTHING to win or protect?
Well to be honest, at this point they had no clue if there was anyone else alive, and since there was only a couple thousand of them, humanity was bound to go extinct as there isn’t enough of them to continue the human race. And since humanity is doomed (in their opinion) and they have a warship they might as well us it. Plus the fact that basically everyone they knew that wasn’t on the ship is now dead which leads a good portion of people to want revenge, after all if someone killed my family and friends I would hunt them down
What was the alternative? Lay down and die?
So say we all.
What out President Rosolin this is what Adama would have been
I never liked the phrase: "so say we all". For one human being to assume to speak for everyone else, and then use it as a chant of coercement to get everybody to have to say the same thing, I believe is an infringement of what humanity really stands for.
It could be viewes that way. But it could also be we all say thing because we believe in it and we are united behind what we are saying. But i ca. Also 100% see a culty mind behind it too
It has to be used in appropriate, solemn settings and carefully. But the idea of it is the same as many real-world rough equivalents ("amen", Pledge of Allegiance, chanting "U-S-A" or "God save the King/Queen" etc) where there is a desire to feel and express solidarity. In this case, they have been through a collective trauma and in response, they are responding in an expression of resolve and unity. Whether it's "good" or "bad," it is what people do.
I always thought they killed Cain and Fisk off way too soon. It would have made some good episodes trying to figure out what place her and the Pegasus played in the grand scheme of things. I personaqlly would have loved to have seen future encounters between Cain and Laura Rossylin. There was a character dynamic that needed to be explored. Eventually they could have killed Cain off and destroyed the Pegasus in the battle of New Caprica.
Cain was a good commander that was damaged and she eventually cracked and went over the edge, doing bad things. She meant well, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Michelle Forbes was great in the role. And damn is she gorgeous.
Michelle Forbes is drop dead gorgeous.
She never was gorgeous, but she is certainly THE SEX!
Cain gave the best speech she could but she should have this instead: "To my brothers and sisters aboard Pegasus, and YES I said brothers and sisters because as of right now, WE may be all that is left of the once great 12 Colonies of Kobol. Our worlds, our cities, our families, have been destroyed by an enemy that will give us no quarter, show us no mercy, and will NOT be satisfied until each and every one of us remaining is dead. So I ask you as the last remnants of the 12 Colonies of Kobol to join me now, not in an act of petty vengeance for what has been unleashed upon us, but as the final testament of humankind's will to survive!!! Our home the Pegasus, will blaze a trail across space unleashing Hades greatest fury against an enemy both of flesh, and technology. We WILL show NO mercy to the Cylons!!! We will give them no space to hide in!! And when the final Cylon bleeds it's vile fluids upon this deck we shall rebuild our great humanity!! No longer as 12 Colonies, but one mighty race!! One sword whose children will never know the eternal pain that the Cylons have wrought upon us!! So as of now, this vessel stands at battle ready, and I know in my heart each and everyone of you who crew this mighty Battlestar will give your last breath to defend her and those she carries. And as your Admiral, I pledge my last breath upon the ashes of the Cylon Empire. So say I. SO SAY WE ALL!!!!!!!
This is an amazing speech! I can’t deny that I first read it in Cain’s voice.
Nah, it’s way off point for the character. She KNEW and lived her a status. Even to the point Of ordering executions of Adama’s crew members without using a jury
No
Naaaah
The XO was a pussy and deserved the bullet 🙂
Fun Fact: Ronald Moore had to get special permission from the Screen Actors Guild for the extras to chant “So say we all!” since they normally don’t have speaking roles.
That's an absolutely retarded thing to ask permission for.
@@dynestis2875 it's a highly controlling organization.
Cain was a monster who killed her own civilians for the sheer joy of it. She tortured prisoners for the sheer joy of it as well. She abused her own staff even before the attack just for the cruel joy it gave her. None of this was necessary, it was just who she was. You turn your back on her, she’d stab you. Adama stood by his people through hell. Cain abandoned and betrayed not only her people but every principle and ultimately even herself. The writers gave her the name to illustrate what she was. A person who abused every power she was trusted with. I would ask for a transfer away from that ship and that person as soon as possible. Just a matter of time before she or one of her subordinates put a knife in your back. No excuse necessary. I’d follow Adama through hell. Loyalty down, loyalty up. Cains only loyalty was to vengeance against everyone and everything including herself. It was already consuming her before the war began. The war just speeded up the process. Cains responsibility was to protect the civilians she found herself in charge of. Instead, she murdered them and ran off to seek “revenge.” Absolute betrayal of everyone and everything she was supposed to stand for, not to mention becoming a murderer in the process. Anyone saying that they would follow her is saying that they would condone the murder of their own people for fun. Think about that.
Revenge for what? What traumatized her so much that her only emotions were anger and self-loathing?
@@dalethelander3781 during the first cylon war she abandoned her own sister to hide from the cylons, the guilt and self loathing from that what drove her to become so twisted
Some of those "So say we all's" were a bit half hearted. I bet a lot of them were thinking, "let's run for a bit" .
Peace was never an option
Survival was an option.
Survival was never an option for Cain. She was self destructing even before the attack. The war just speeded up the process. She just took a lot of civilians and her own people with her. She murdered the civilians deliberately and then took her own people’s lives when she tried to commit suicide. She killed more of her own people than the cylons did. Taking her out saved a lot of lives. Adama was loyal to his people. Cain was loyal to killing. The cylons, her own people, civilians, it didn’t matter. Anyone and everyone, it didn’t matter what side you were on. The self hate she had going drove her to hate the entire universe and gave her the excuse she needed to justify anything she felt like doing.
@@richardbeckenbaugh1805 based.
She didn’t take any shit.
Republicans 2021
Interesting....Conservatives tend to be social darwinists.
@@zachjones6944 You think we're going to forget that you people stole the election not likely
@@highlander723 @Zach Jones sigh...... I wish i could offer you both something to drink, and some common ground to make our differences seem less important than we give them credit for. You are both from one of the greatest countries in the world, and your countrymen do you all a great injustice by getting co opted by the forces of evil. Whilst i agree in principal with Highlander, it must be recognized that politics is very very dirty indeed, and both sides are guilty of something. Whilst the Democrats spend billions of dollars trying to derail Republicans and Donald Trump, who is the real victim of all this partisanship? You, your friends, your families, your loved ones. YOU!!!! I had my gripes with Republicans sure, for example Ted Cruz always "talked" a good game, but when push comes to shove he seems to vanish, but maybe thats my perception. But the worst part of it all was a deleted tweet, posted by AOC herself. In short, she said businesses need to be closed down till november, thriving businesses and a good economy will get Trump re elected. So AOC has spelled it out very clear for everyone to see, she and her squad, and probably many many more democrats are willing to sacrifice American lives for their own selfish ends. They do not care if you lose your business, do not care if you lose your job, do not care if you lose your home, do not care if you lose your life - unless it can be politically spun in a way to attack Donald Trump and hurt the Republicans. AOC says half of congress nearly lost their lives......bullshit! rewind to the 80's when actual domestic terrorists detonated bombs. One of the convicted ring leaders was then pardoned by Bill Clinton, allegedly his last act but i do not know about that. Allegedly, 30 plus years later that terrorist is on the board for BLM or Antifa, aka domestic terrorist groups. lots of businesses are forced to close for good, who are the victims? Americans, not politicians, many politicians by their very partisanship end up forfeiting their nationality because they spew hatred and policies you might have expected in Soviet Stalins USSR..... or Mao's China!
@@zachjones6944 How many of them do you really know on a deep level? A few measly examples you have witnessed along your travels has convinced you that your statement is a fact when applied to the broader spectrum? You do not serve yourself well by painting the armed side of your country as evil people, the truth is that they have to be armed to protect themselves from sociopaths that believe people who disagree with them are the enemy and want to march them off to the gas chamber. Come on man. You dont really believe Joe got more votes than voters in Georgia do you? You dont really believe that Joe got more votes than Obama do you? Joe couldn't even get a crowd, but Trump filled stadiums over and over and over again. So then you blame Trump supporters for spreading covid because they went to rallys, well i am sorry but you cannot use that as a weapon to prevent someone from campaigning for office. The people have a right to listen, and they have a right to have their voices heard, but i am sure the Democrats will soon enough end all free speech in America. Ah well, it is very interesting watching America from the UK, either way the west is fucked unless something dramatic happens soon xD
Oh come on they’re not that cool.
Gina nodding along while thinking “shit shit shit fuck shit this is bad this is bad shit fuck shit”
Cain was a badass,,,,
Cain was just bad. Murdered civilians for the joy of it. Abused her own crew before the attack for fun. Ran away from her responsibilities to commit suicide. Tortured prisoners for fun. No loyalty or principles whatsoever. Her failure to save her sister gave her the self hate that drove her to destroy everyone and everything around her when given the opportunity. She was given the name to signify what she was. Evil personified.
This speech was a mirror image of the “Find Earth” speech Adama gave. But with Cain, there was a different solution.
I'd rather be under Cain then adama
Than you probably be dead!
Are you sure about that?
Her heart is in the right place, I'm sure we can understand why she feels the way she does, but sometimes you gotta accept your loses and run. Fighting a battle you sure to loose is stupid.
in comics she loses almost every wargame against the smaller vessel type Valkyrie Class Battlestar and then in series Adama says to The President that he wouldn't count on the Pegasus cuz he knew she don't know how to use Mercury Class Battlestar
So say we all
Cain did nothing wrong
cain is my waifu
I’d follow Cain into hell and back
@@merrt034th8 and beat up Lucifer while there.
@@merrt034th8 The Pegasus did Cain proud by taking as many Toasters as it could with it when it finally marched into hell.
She had civilians that didn't want to leave their family executed
A very different turn of events then on the Galactica. I say that the President changed Adamas objective for the better.
Robinson Jones No, Admiral Cain was a leader
And Adama wasn't? Lol. Cain went nuts. She killed and aborted civilians for her guerilla warfare. If it wasn't for the President, Adama would have done the same - and eventually mankind would have been wiped out.
Zach Avery No, Adama would NEVER have done any such thing. Now abandoning the civilians so he could fight the Cylons alone, yes he could and would have if not for Roslin’s influence.
@@josefadama2087 Admiral Cain was stupid as a leader. Obviously the imperative was survival at that point.
What we know for sure is that Adama and Cain are only similar when it comes to their decisions to fight instead of running or hiding. After this we cannot say for certain how either would have reacted since their circumstances were too dissimilar. The Galactica, despite getting hit with a nuke earlier, was nearly unscathed from the opening attacks. More pilots and planes aside, tactically speaking, what Adama needed was ordnance. The 50,000 civilians had no use to him, and as far as he knew only remnants of the fleet remained. In his mind, he needed to get as he put it, "back into the fight". He didn't think the war was over, "It hasn't even begun" remember? Fun fact, even before this show came out and based on our own specie history, some studies suggest that a diverse population of 50,000 is enough to keep a specie from going extinct. So when this estimate was mentioned by Roslin that there's no one else, we have to run and make babies, I smiled remembering this fact from schooling and wondered if the show runners knew this before writing those lines of dialogue. Moving on, the Pegasus, as depicted in Razor, suffered what appears to be far more damage than the Galactica in the opening attacks. In addition, before the opening attack while the Pegasus was docked in the shipyards and receiving a retrofit, an exchange between Cain and her XO seems to suggest that part of her crew may have already been off-ship. Also, Cain mentioned in the series that she suffered a loss of 700 in the initial attack. Given all of this, we have no idea how many crew members she had left to staff Pegasus. Finally, when it comes to the status of the war, since it may have taken a few days if not over a week to repair the damage and assess their situation, as far as they knew they were the only humans left alive. Since a Mercury-class Battlestar, like Pegasus, only needs 2000 crew members, this would imply, given their losses, that they had at most 1300 people. At this point, fighting, running, or hiding would all lead to humanity's inevitable extinction. I don't know about you but if my death is certain, I'm going out fighting. And I think that's what any military personnel would do. Even after Cain finds her own civilian fleet, her actions are technically still rational. Please allow me to explain. Other BSG fans can correct me here if I'm wrong, but I think I read somewhere that this smaller civilian fleet had only between a few thousand and around 10,000 people. Forgive me for my cold approach here, but even with the Pegasus' 1000 or so crew members, 11,000 people, even if they were genetically diverse, is not enough to avoid extinction. Hence, attempting to preserve this civilian fleet is inconsequential in the long run. And given the fact that she desperately needs more personnel and materials to maintain and repair the Pegasus during its final and suicidal journey for revenge, it's understandable despite seeming ruthless why she did what she did. In her mind, death was a certainty, and she wanted to hurt the Cylons as much as possible before humanity faded into non-existence. The real and most critical turning point in her character comes when she finds Adama and the rest of the fleet. At this point everything changes, death is no longer a certainty, there are enough humans left to start over, and she no longer needs to fight an un-winnable war. But I think at this point, she had been so consumed with revenge and hatred from her lover's betrayal that she placed her hate for the Cylons above humanity's salvation. She or someone with authority (the ship's' doctor maybe?) should have recognized that she was mentally and emotionally compromised, making her unfit for duty, and immediately relieving her of command. However, whatever structure that existed to do this was gone. Hence, why she needed to die in order to keep humanity safe. It's so interesting to put all this in perspective. I think the show runners wanted to use Cain to show what Adama would have been without Roslin, but I would argue that even with a Roslin character, her fate would have been nearly the same.
This is garbage. Where's the original series with Lorne Greene and Lloyd Bridges? Talk about sex change operations--this is ridiculous!
"SO SAY WE ALL!"
LOL
You just can't comprehend the show. It's okay to admit that. You're the type of sorry old sag bag to whine and moan about liberals taking over the media with their gender politics in shows. Shut up.
@@BattlestarGenesis Well, there is a lot of gender and race swapping in the show. All to check diversity boxes. And liberals took over the media a long time ago.
@@davemiller6055 brilliant show and casting
So good to see version of this that isn't drowned in that god awful "Requiem for a dream". Thanks!
I hope the symbolism is as clear to every one as it is to me, that Cain stands for the mythical Cain and Able and it represents human faults.
It's the only vid of this speech that is clear to hear. All the others are so muddled. Thanks.
For a while there I thought I was the only one who wanted this...
I have the video but apparently NBC doesn't appreciate it
AH FINALLY! About time someone puts this up without crappy music.