A little bit off topic, I am looking to sell my electric bike , and I am worried about the same thing how get over the test ride and payment, just worried the the customer could be just a thief or he can fall with it and damage it
@TassieEV9 сағат бұрын
You alluded to V2H so not sure if you're mixing V2G & V2H together or not. A V2H system is easier to deal with and install than waiting for grid operators to come to the party and the related legislation unlike V2H. V2H is great for power outages and basically turning your house to an off-grid system.
@alanhowemusic24579 сағат бұрын
I do apologise for my comments with regard to your u-tube channel not accepting my comments. It was down to my end at fault. Your channel is extremely informative. Once again I do apologise.
@tangerinestorm11 сағат бұрын
Totally agree but probably 5000% more. Every car park space in the country.
@michael81ize13 сағат бұрын
Good video. It would’ve been interesting to incorporate the Expected life span of each Product and do the man maths .
@seltaeb969121 сағат бұрын
Birdsh-it on driver's headrest, even left it's initials.
@alanhowemusic245721 сағат бұрын
Check this out from the transport special committee on the 15th May 2024. Just go to parliament tv and put the date in 15th May 2024 subject Electric cars. It’s worth a view.
@benpaynterКүн бұрын
As others have mentioned. The cost of destination charging needs to come down. I live between Bedford and Northampton and near me supermarkets, cinemas etc are charging around 45p/kwh. Thats too much. We're sleep walking into a situation where the poorer people in society who can't afford homes with off street parking, and thus do 100% on public networks, are going to be paying considerably more for their electricity than those better off in society. That can't be allowed to continue.
@markottaway6899Күн бұрын
I used Solar Together for my Solar and Battery system. They work with local councils and basically organise a buyers club, and Solar installers bid for the total work, passing on some of the discounts from buying hundreds of panels and batteries. I have 8 x 405W panels and 3 x 3kw server rack batteries, connected to a 3kw Solis hybrid inverter. Total cost was £10366 and it will be a year in Aug so will have more info then. The most frustrating time was waiting 3 months for DNO to get paid for export, so the grid had my peak period of solar, which included 30Kwh days, in September! but using the battery allowed me to use more of the solar. Try to time your install so you dont feel the frustration. 8-)
@WM12329Күн бұрын
There is a shortage of AC chargers in the UK for older EV's that were pre-CCS. Some charging points have DC CCS only, and some have AC but are only 7kwh. 22kwh chargers (and a few more of them) are a must if we are going to expand destination chargers.
@Phil-kt6hcКүн бұрын
Hi EVM, what size is your array please?
@thegerman3480Күн бұрын
Never Korean
@johngreen1060Күн бұрын
Fully agree with the conclusions. The only interested party is grid operators. For vehicle manufacturers, customers, used car buyers it is an anti-feature. I can see this being useful for backup but then a simple 240V socket in the boot is enough. If I was to buy a used EV I would like to know if it was used for V2G.
@smeg3519Күн бұрын
Heatable quoted me £14k for 14 REA panels and a 10.1kw battery. Not sure if that’s good value or not
@stephaniehart4527Күн бұрын
I should have had a bigger battery / inverter, but I only had a 5. Even so, i pay £1 a month and pocket £100 this year when the spring was bad for solar. That £100 will pay for my ev charging so effectively covers my motoring. I have to have a new oil boiler, and will have air2air heating instead… so I will use maybe a few hundred in electricity instead of oil. But the hardware cost is no different to a replacement boiler. The saving a/c to my neighbours is 1-2 000 a year in electricity costs, so I will return my investment in less than 6 years. Less given the high cost year cost me nothing.
@ewaf88Күн бұрын
They're doing away with the cheap nighttime tariff in a few years time, so be warned
@ElectricVehicleManКүн бұрын
no they’re not. 😄 More are coming out as it’s normal now, not the other way around.
@ewaf88Күн бұрын
@@ElectricVehicleMan Perhaps My electricity company has done an about turn. But what about the high cost of insurance though?. My insurance cost is likely to be about £2,600 a year far more than I even spend on petrol
@ElectricVehicleManКүн бұрын
@@ewaf88 This video is about a house! What’s car insurance got to do with it?
@katherandefyКүн бұрын
Yes regen in town and no regen on highways. And zero car or light hugging behaviors geez it’s annoying to see that so I regen my zen when I see people do that nonsense to keep my nerves calm. 😂😂
@SimonWallworkКүн бұрын
By all means make your house cheap to heat etc. If, on the other hand, you think you're saving the planet- you must have a screw loose.
@railenthusiast88Күн бұрын
Good video. Another impact is what it does for the house value should you sell in the future. I agree there should be an allowance for maintenance in the figures to.
@ElectricVehicleManКүн бұрын
Other than the heat pump, there is no maintainence. I didn't include the gas servicing either.
@thumper1747Күн бұрын
I’d treat the capital cost of acquiring and fitting the tech as an investment that then be judged at a saving per annum over the rest of your life (assuming you stay put). I’ve recommended this to my daughter and urged her to invest and reap the rewards for the rest of her life. That could be another fifty odd years at a saving of £2000 a year ignoring the savings on petrol; she’s buying EVs too
@pppscoobyКүн бұрын
I am looking a battery system but not sure how long i am staying at my home in which case payback matters.
@ElectricVehicleManКүн бұрын
Take it with you.
@pppscoobyКүн бұрын
@@ElectricVehicleMan i thought that, then i found out what electricians charge to decom and refit as well as trying to transport it….. put it this way, it’s not worth doing
@alistairlambert3275Күн бұрын
I've had a Growatt Battery system (6.5 KWH) for just over 2 years. It cost £3800 and has already paid back £1000 (2 years in). It charges at 7.5p along with my EV. You're video showing the maths of home storage convinced me to get this. I think it's been a great decision and helps balance the grid. I've just bought 2 solar panels (£65 each) to put on my woodsheds and they are bringing in 2-3 WKH a day, not cost effective but brings a smile to my face knowing that the leccy to run the telly is free.
@hadtobe4502Күн бұрын
What was the Kw array of panels you had on the roof please?
@StratognomeКүн бұрын
Just picked up one for 12.4k 35k. Great car, really upgrade from my old LEAF 24.
@GlueChube2 күн бұрын
Excellent, even the sun has a reflected sun on it, the future could not be brighter.
@issiewizzie2 күн бұрын
This is an honest review ...you get my vote
@neilfennell68332 күн бұрын
If the batteries are relying on being charged with a TOU tariff, what happens if those tariffs disappear or aren’t so generous?
@ElectricVehicleMan2 күн бұрын
They’re getting more common, not less. It’s the way the grid is moving to.
@neilfennell6833Күн бұрын
@@ElectricVehicleMan One would hope so.
@StuartJ2 күн бұрын
I went to Clacton last week. There was one single 7KW at the multi-story car park, maximum 3 hour stay. Shortly after getting there, someone trapped on my window asking how long I was going to be. I said at least 2 hours. When I came back 3 hours later, he was there, hanging about! I went to Norwich later in the day. The multi-story car park, had about 8 chargers. Non of them working 🫤 I ended up using a Tesla super charger. Worked flawlessly. 45p per kw. Nice location, and pub serving food.
@scottwills46982 күн бұрын
Funny how we get different deals. I paid £18,500 for 5kwp solar, optimisers, solar edge inverter and Powerwall and gateway last year. But just paid £1560 for heat pump, new tank and 14 new radiators. The only thing I think you have missed is the loss of interest on the money. You would probably would have got circa £1000 a year interest on your “investment”. I bought mine for “geekary” reasons but enjoy the savings. 😂
@HakramSing2 күн бұрын
For what they are, home batteries are overpriced. I would want one but paying £5k for a small battery to be installed does not make sense to me even though I do want one but that is an emotional way of thinking
@ElectricVehicleMan2 күн бұрын
There are cheaper ones. look at Polar ESS.
@HakramSingКүн бұрын
Cheers mate! That price is unbelievable. @@ElectricVehicleMan
@mfk83162 күн бұрын
as a ice driver i agree with this video, i have been looking for a decent ev car to get
@frankderks11502 күн бұрын
You can do this or try to find a bank that gives you 1800 interest on that 17500.
@ElectricVehicleManКүн бұрын
Does that bank make your house go up in value as well?
@Robin.s-Rails2 күн бұрын
Hi, In 2018 I paid £280,000 for a bungalow reduced from £299,950 and previously advertised at over £300,000. Earlier this year the property next door sold for £415,000 - it historically sells for less than mine. In 2022 I spent £11,225 on a Solar PV system with batteries thus my total expenditure on the property was £291,225 so what is the point of payback calculations per your presentation considering I would more than recover my Solar PV costs when eventually selling my property? Do purchasers of properties which already have Solar PV, battery storage and heat pumps installed separate out the relevant costs to estimate the payback for these components? I do not understand!! Regarding payback, this leaves funds which have not been subjected to income tax, national insurance etc. How does this change payback calculations if at all?🤔🤔🤔
@AR-dn6kh2 күн бұрын
Nice to see the middle classes saving money. This net zero nonsense doesn't benefit the majority. You need a massive outlay to save money in the long run . No solar panels on Amy council houses or housing associations around my area. As for EVS no use for home charging unless you have a drive way. Again not tje majority.
@ElectricVehicleMan2 күн бұрын
Actually, over 55% of houses in the UK have off road parking. As for solar on a rented council house, it’s the council you need to be annoyed at as the owners of the property, not people who’ve worked hard to get these things. I’m from one of the poorest areas in the UK, I get what you’re saying, but I’m not apologising for working two jobs for 5/6 years to get these things. As for net zero, that’s nothing to do with this. They were around before anyone even said that phrase. 🤷♂️
@extremeforce2 күн бұрын
My running cost went up to £700 a month when i had a eco4 grant with solar,heatpump, and wall/floor instullation. when back to LPG which costs me £1400 a year and £900. for electric a year.
@sc-lj9cp2 күн бұрын
I really like what you’ve done. I believe the latest recommendations in the uk are to not put lithium ion batteries inside the house. I’m guessing this will trickle through to cost of house insurance. I also suspect the batteries will require changing after 15 years.
@ElectricVehicleMan2 күн бұрын
These aren’t lithium ion.
@leroyharder44912 күн бұрын
When we installed pv, we did it more as an inflationary hedge, rather than an amazing payback. I expect a payback of 10 to 12 years. We also expect moving to heat pumps and we are starting a business where we are heating another space with heat pumps. Our solar panels main job is to keep us out of the high usage, high cost tiers. We also use it as a hedge against bad decisions on the part of government, and price gouging by corporations.
@billybeck2 күн бұрын
People are not paying road tax and insurance in their droves. What is happening is extortion and it's dangerous. Surely with more cars than ever in the road the costs should be coming down. Surely with cars being safer and cleaner than ever the costs should be the lowest ever. We need to cancel our direct debits and let the courts grind to a new legislative halt.
@downwind_david2 күн бұрын
Basically, you're getting a $1800 return on $17500 invested, guaranteed every year and likely to increase with time. That's a guaranteed 10% return which matches long-term stock market growth (if your nerves can withstand the fluctuations), it's a return that is likely to increase and it helps the planet. As long as you buy quality equipment with 10+ year warranties, it's a no brainer. Over the past five years, I have basically done the same - my last electricity bill was $35 (about £18) per month - I live in Australia, so the solar works a bit better! 😃
@sc-lj9cp2 күн бұрын
The life of a battery is 10 to 15 years, then you’ve got to buy another one. Same for the hybrid inverter. So you need to make sure you get your moneys worth before having to replace kit. This is never factored into returns calculations. There’s also no guarantees for buying and selling your kwh’s. If everybody has solar panels eventually feed in tariffs will drop during peak sunny days. If everybody is charging their EV at night time it’s only a matter of time for the night tariffs to increase. If everybody has a battery then what effect does that have on pricing? I still want solar panels but my local electricity company has restricted feed in to 25 amps. So I can only put 5.2kw panels on the roof, which caps the amount I can earn from feed in tariff. I can only generate 1100 kWh per year based on PGIS. It still feels like I’m buying forward for electricity. Plus if I buy an electric car its value depreciates so fast, it wipes out savings on fuel via solar. If you want to setup in a cabin off grid setting up an electricity supply has never been easier. On grid I’m not convinced it makes financial sense unless you’re building a new house and you factor it into the build price.
@ElectricVehicleManКүн бұрын
Battery life isn't 10-15 years, it's 15-20+. There is no feed in tariif either so not sure what you mean by that? You can have as many solar panels as you want, it's the inverter that is capped.
@johnspottiswoode44332 күн бұрын
Well done! This is exactly the sort of information that is very useful.
@sahhull2 күн бұрын
So approx 10 years to pay for itself. I just think solar panels on the roof are ugly as hell. For me they spoil the look of the house. My gas boiler was in the house when I bought the place 35 years ago. Ive been told by the gas engineers its around 45 years old... Funnily.. Parts are still available, because it uses standard parts. It doesnt get used much...I have open fire places, I burn waste..My local tree doctor sends me as much wood as I can burn, for free.
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A little bit off topic, I am looking to sell my electric bike , and I am worried about the same thing how get over the test ride and payment, just worried the the customer could be just a thief or he can fall with it and damage it
You alluded to V2H so not sure if you're mixing V2G & V2H together or not. A V2H system is easier to deal with and install than waiting for grid operators to come to the party and the related legislation unlike V2H. V2H is great for power outages and basically turning your house to an off-grid system.
I do apologise for my comments with regard to your u-tube channel not accepting my comments. It was down to my end at fault. Your channel is extremely informative. Once again I do apologise.
Totally agree but probably 5000% more. Every car park space in the country.
Good video. It would’ve been interesting to incorporate the Expected life span of each Product and do the man maths .
Birdsh-it on driver's headrest, even left it's initials.
Check this out from the transport special committee on the 15th May 2024. Just go to parliament tv and put the date in 15th May 2024 subject Electric cars. It’s worth a view.
As others have mentioned. The cost of destination charging needs to come down. I live between Bedford and Northampton and near me supermarkets, cinemas etc are charging around 45p/kwh. Thats too much. We're sleep walking into a situation where the poorer people in society who can't afford homes with off street parking, and thus do 100% on public networks, are going to be paying considerably more for their electricity than those better off in society. That can't be allowed to continue.
I used Solar Together for my Solar and Battery system. They work with local councils and basically organise a buyers club, and Solar installers bid for the total work, passing on some of the discounts from buying hundreds of panels and batteries. I have 8 x 405W panels and 3 x 3kw server rack batteries, connected to a 3kw Solis hybrid inverter. Total cost was £10366 and it will be a year in Aug so will have more info then. The most frustrating time was waiting 3 months for DNO to get paid for export, so the grid had my peak period of solar, which included 30Kwh days, in September! but using the battery allowed me to use more of the solar. Try to time your install so you dont feel the frustration. 8-)
There is a shortage of AC chargers in the UK for older EV's that were pre-CCS. Some charging points have DC CCS only, and some have AC but are only 7kwh. 22kwh chargers (and a few more of them) are a must if we are going to expand destination chargers.
Hi EVM, what size is your array please?
Never Korean
Fully agree with the conclusions. The only interested party is grid operators. For vehicle manufacturers, customers, used car buyers it is an anti-feature. I can see this being useful for backup but then a simple 240V socket in the boot is enough. If I was to buy a used EV I would like to know if it was used for V2G.
Heatable quoted me £14k for 14 REA panels and a 10.1kw battery. Not sure if that’s good value or not
I should have had a bigger battery / inverter, but I only had a 5. Even so, i pay £1 a month and pocket £100 this year when the spring was bad for solar. That £100 will pay for my ev charging so effectively covers my motoring. I have to have a new oil boiler, and will have air2air heating instead… so I will use maybe a few hundred in electricity instead of oil. But the hardware cost is no different to a replacement boiler. The saving a/c to my neighbours is 1-2 000 a year in electricity costs, so I will return my investment in less than 6 years. Less given the high cost year cost me nothing.
They're doing away with the cheap nighttime tariff in a few years time, so be warned
no they’re not. 😄 More are coming out as it’s normal now, not the other way around.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Perhaps My electricity company has done an about turn. But what about the high cost of insurance though?. My insurance cost is likely to be about £2,600 a year far more than I even spend on petrol
@@ewaf88 This video is about a house! What’s car insurance got to do with it?
Yes regen in town and no regen on highways. And zero car or light hugging behaviors geez it’s annoying to see that so I regen my zen when I see people do that nonsense to keep my nerves calm. 😂😂
By all means make your house cheap to heat etc. If, on the other hand, you think you're saving the planet- you must have a screw loose.
Good video. Another impact is what it does for the house value should you sell in the future. I agree there should be an allowance for maintenance in the figures to.
Other than the heat pump, there is no maintainence. I didn't include the gas servicing either.
I’d treat the capital cost of acquiring and fitting the tech as an investment that then be judged at a saving per annum over the rest of your life (assuming you stay put). I’ve recommended this to my daughter and urged her to invest and reap the rewards for the rest of her life. That could be another fifty odd years at a saving of £2000 a year ignoring the savings on petrol; she’s buying EVs too
I am looking a battery system but not sure how long i am staying at my home in which case payback matters.
Take it with you.
@@ElectricVehicleMan i thought that, then i found out what electricians charge to decom and refit as well as trying to transport it….. put it this way, it’s not worth doing
I've had a Growatt Battery system (6.5 KWH) for just over 2 years. It cost £3800 and has already paid back £1000 (2 years in). It charges at 7.5p along with my EV. You're video showing the maths of home storage convinced me to get this. I think it's been a great decision and helps balance the grid. I've just bought 2 solar panels (£65 each) to put on my woodsheds and they are bringing in 2-3 WKH a day, not cost effective but brings a smile to my face knowing that the leccy to run the telly is free.
What was the Kw array of panels you had on the roof please?
Just picked up one for 12.4k 35k. Great car, really upgrade from my old LEAF 24.
Excellent, even the sun has a reflected sun on it, the future could not be brighter.
This is an honest review ...you get my vote
If the batteries are relying on being charged with a TOU tariff, what happens if those tariffs disappear or aren’t so generous?
They’re getting more common, not less. It’s the way the grid is moving to.
@@ElectricVehicleMan One would hope so.
I went to Clacton last week. There was one single 7KW at the multi-story car park, maximum 3 hour stay. Shortly after getting there, someone trapped on my window asking how long I was going to be. I said at least 2 hours. When I came back 3 hours later, he was there, hanging about! I went to Norwich later in the day. The multi-story car park, had about 8 chargers. Non of them working 🫤 I ended up using a Tesla super charger. Worked flawlessly. 45p per kw. Nice location, and pub serving food.
Funny how we get different deals. I paid £18,500 for 5kwp solar, optimisers, solar edge inverter and Powerwall and gateway last year. But just paid £1560 for heat pump, new tank and 14 new radiators. The only thing I think you have missed is the loss of interest on the money. You would probably would have got circa £1000 a year interest on your “investment”. I bought mine for “geekary” reasons but enjoy the savings. 😂
For what they are, home batteries are overpriced. I would want one but paying £5k for a small battery to be installed does not make sense to me even though I do want one but that is an emotional way of thinking
There are cheaper ones. look at Polar ESS.
Cheers mate! That price is unbelievable. @@ElectricVehicleMan
as a ice driver i agree with this video, i have been looking for a decent ev car to get
You can do this or try to find a bank that gives you 1800 interest on that 17500.
Does that bank make your house go up in value as well?
Hi, In 2018 I paid £280,000 for a bungalow reduced from £299,950 and previously advertised at over £300,000. Earlier this year the property next door sold for £415,000 - it historically sells for less than mine. In 2022 I spent £11,225 on a Solar PV system with batteries thus my total expenditure on the property was £291,225 so what is the point of payback calculations per your presentation considering I would more than recover my Solar PV costs when eventually selling my property? Do purchasers of properties which already have Solar PV, battery storage and heat pumps installed separate out the relevant costs to estimate the payback for these components? I do not understand!! Regarding payback, this leaves funds which have not been subjected to income tax, national insurance etc. How does this change payback calculations if at all?🤔🤔🤔
Nice to see the middle classes saving money. This net zero nonsense doesn't benefit the majority. You need a massive outlay to save money in the long run . No solar panels on Amy council houses or housing associations around my area. As for EVS no use for home charging unless you have a drive way. Again not tje majority.
Actually, over 55% of houses in the UK have off road parking. As for solar on a rented council house, it’s the council you need to be annoyed at as the owners of the property, not people who’ve worked hard to get these things. I’m from one of the poorest areas in the UK, I get what you’re saying, but I’m not apologising for working two jobs for 5/6 years to get these things. As for net zero, that’s nothing to do with this. They were around before anyone even said that phrase. 🤷♂️
My running cost went up to £700 a month when i had a eco4 grant with solar,heatpump, and wall/floor instullation. when back to LPG which costs me £1400 a year and £900. for electric a year.
I really like what you’ve done. I believe the latest recommendations in the uk are to not put lithium ion batteries inside the house. I’m guessing this will trickle through to cost of house insurance. I also suspect the batteries will require changing after 15 years.
These aren’t lithium ion.
When we installed pv, we did it more as an inflationary hedge, rather than an amazing payback. I expect a payback of 10 to 12 years. We also expect moving to heat pumps and we are starting a business where we are heating another space with heat pumps. Our solar panels main job is to keep us out of the high usage, high cost tiers. We also use it as a hedge against bad decisions on the part of government, and price gouging by corporations.
People are not paying road tax and insurance in their droves. What is happening is extortion and it's dangerous. Surely with more cars than ever in the road the costs should be coming down. Surely with cars being safer and cleaner than ever the costs should be the lowest ever. We need to cancel our direct debits and let the courts grind to a new legislative halt.
Basically, you're getting a $1800 return on $17500 invested, guaranteed every year and likely to increase with time. That's a guaranteed 10% return which matches long-term stock market growth (if your nerves can withstand the fluctuations), it's a return that is likely to increase and it helps the planet. As long as you buy quality equipment with 10+ year warranties, it's a no brainer. Over the past five years, I have basically done the same - my last electricity bill was $35 (about £18) per month - I live in Australia, so the solar works a bit better! 😃
The life of a battery is 10 to 15 years, then you’ve got to buy another one. Same for the hybrid inverter. So you need to make sure you get your moneys worth before having to replace kit. This is never factored into returns calculations. There’s also no guarantees for buying and selling your kwh’s. If everybody has solar panels eventually feed in tariffs will drop during peak sunny days. If everybody is charging their EV at night time it’s only a matter of time for the night tariffs to increase. If everybody has a battery then what effect does that have on pricing? I still want solar panels but my local electricity company has restricted feed in to 25 amps. So I can only put 5.2kw panels on the roof, which caps the amount I can earn from feed in tariff. I can only generate 1100 kWh per year based on PGIS. It still feels like I’m buying forward for electricity. Plus if I buy an electric car its value depreciates so fast, it wipes out savings on fuel via solar. If you want to setup in a cabin off grid setting up an electricity supply has never been easier. On grid I’m not convinced it makes financial sense unless you’re building a new house and you factor it into the build price.
Battery life isn't 10-15 years, it's 15-20+. There is no feed in tariif either so not sure what you mean by that? You can have as many solar panels as you want, it's the inverter that is capped.
Well done! This is exactly the sort of information that is very useful.
So approx 10 years to pay for itself. I just think solar panels on the roof are ugly as hell. For me they spoil the look of the house. My gas boiler was in the house when I bought the place 35 years ago. Ive been told by the gas engineers its around 45 years old... Funnily.. Parts are still available, because it uses standard parts. It doesnt get used much...I have open fire places, I burn waste..My local tree doctor sends me as much wood as I can burn, for free.