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I think the best way to have your timber evaluated is to have a Forester come out and actually grade the logs. Tag and Mark each tree someone is going to leave the land better than it is I think and you know select harvest. You get paid for your logs 50% down whenever you do the contract and then they give you your other 50% when they start to get the job. And it's a 10% fee which you know a lot of people can't really come to grabs with being too greedy but you're protected through litigation also he inspects or she inspects as they're harvesting logs to make sure that you know they're not stealing any logs. It just keeps everybody honest and it keeps from somebody losing money and it keeps the harvest team honest nobody wants to lose their contract and they've already paid so they would basically lose the money or through new litigation they would have to pay for things they have done it's a better way of doing things and you honestly know how much money you're going to get and you get paid before they get done so you know and the protection that it offers is next level I had friends that had 300 acres of some good standing timber. You know the brothers were supposed to split all veneer logs if you look at a 24 by 24 log they grade that log at 8 ft and then it has one two three four grade one and two grade or what they're really after anybody that's going to try to sell their timbers should know that. Some people try to sell the logs at 20 in you're better off at 24 by 24 the minimum that would be 300 board feet for an 8 ft stick of wood you could have 600 board feet per log. That's just an idea whatever the log prices at you know destination those logs were going for $6 a board feet so that would make it almost $360 per log pending on the grade obviously they had called 20 loads of logs and you know that would have been probably $144,000 they were selling their logs on share that means as they cut them they would grade them you know there was some logs that went missing some of the order was gone. The one brother only made like $80,000 off of $150 acres it was select cut then the other brother he actually went to jail for damaging their equipment because they ripped him off all he got paid on was veneer logs. 80,000 is nothing to put your nose to but you know if you did the math and you know how many board feet went out honestly you know it was more like a 144,000 the math was and you know when you start having to pay attorney fees and all that it just gets frustrating if he would have had a guy or gal come out and paid the 10% on 100,000 they would have made 10,000 but they're protected with that money of course with taxes and all that you probably would have made about $64,000 on 100,000. Let's be honest you can really only cut two or maybe three times if you don't clear cut everything in a lifetime.
So a saw mill COULD build affordablehomes and attrack people with new affordable house. But no instead decided to shut down??? Sounds like they did society a favor
We have so many self-driving cars here in Arizona. They're everywhere. There's literally nobody in the driver's seat.
Just heard the mill in John Day OREGON is closing,
I agree with you, I just bought a CNC for make furniture 15 year ago it was imposible because the price
I agree and disagree. As a sawmill owner in the Southern US, we will never be able to compete in the market with the big sawmills until laws and regulations are changed in Congress. Small guys like us have to have a kiln operation to dry our lumber for resale to the public. We cannot enter the residential or commercial field without our lumber being graded and stamped by the government with a starting cost to me of $500 per day on average and the inspector must touch and inspect every single board. There is no success I have ever seen monetarily in my business that can afford the government stipulations nor the labor wage requirements (most want +$25/hr.). If I hadn't been practicing Electroculture over the years, in addition to my mill business, I could not have been able to make ends meet. Thanks for making folks aware of the situation. We appreciate your video.
Good explanation. Thanks for explaining, not just fear mongering.
The maquilladoras.
People can say 15 to 17 is a lot of money an hour, but the #1 enemy of a living wage is greed infested landlords, a 1 bedroom isn't worth more than $400 usd a month anywhere on this planet. When your rent requires a weeks worth of labor or more that is ridiculous and honestly should be considered price gouging and illegal.
Very interesting, thanks
When you're talking about stuff like drone delivery, self driving cars and other future innovations which aren't quite here it's important to remember that the people who make the decision to invest often know this but they want to build up a portfolio of patents and existing infrastructure for when the technology is actually ready.
Coppicing is a technique that used to be used with hardwoods to keep trees in that "adolescent" growth phase. It's labor-intensive and the wood it produces is small-diameter, but it does produce extremely high growth rates, since the coppiced trees keep their intact root systems.
There are some absolutely golden insights being shared in this video.
Corruption and bureaucracy play a heavy hand in these 'labor shortages'. More than population. Automation allows us to overcome the age gaps, especially when women who were once considered too weak(not individually, but on average) have access to tools and machinery that allow them to work traditionally blue collar jobs. That is also true for elders and it has made life easier and safer across the board. The bureaucracy that prevents the development is in bed with major players, they do not like having their positions challenged. It's a shame, because what could happen would place everyone in a better situation.
You need to take a baseline growth model and update it over time for a specific. i.e. perturb the curve with new inventory info and use a forgetting factor.
Also, I agree with your description of 'harvest 1% per year' BUT private owners are often driven by having a beautiful woodland as a whole (you did mention smaller tracts). Anyway, V, V interesting!!
arborists are harvesters of consciousness... its a complex issue that does not matter anymore... just sayin... <3
Up to 30% of men between 18 and 45 aren't even working in the U.S. The government disincentivizes work at every turn! In Mexico, if you want to live you have to work. I agree with much of what you said, but just the general lack of skills of any kind in the U.S. population is mind blowing! Glad I found your channel. I just had a commercial cut on my land, WHAT A MESS! I would have given you 60% of the profit if you would have taken the job.
This is the kind of perspective you don’t see very often if ever. I’ve often wondered how often those immigrants are actually able to stay here considering so many citizens can’t or don’t want to stay here for the same reasons. Curious to see how it plays out.
Forest work is difficult and dangerous. I am 85. The men I worked with as a cook boy on Androscoggin, Magalloway rivers in the early fifties were specialists: Loggers or River drivers who grew up in the work. Most part, they followed a relative in the line of work. These men grew up in an agricultural, forest environment. They knew how to handle themselves, machinery, animals, trees, the bosses, weather and time. Tough men back then. You will find such men in forest land of India, Pakistan perhaps, not in the US. People migrating all over the earth seems as if it would weaken Nations. Is that the plot? Great article,Son
I'm really bad about that with commenting. My comments will literally be like a story being written. And then I have to kind of edit it down, which is hilarious because I love writing. But I'm not very good at writing novels so I end up writing short stories or poems. But I have to practice a discipline because I have that need to over explain or branch out. But when you write comments very long that people only really read like maybe the first part of it and they don't really read the other. Not to mention, I always have to edit later for typing mistakes or if I'm using the phone's speech to text. And sometimes I spend way too much time writing it. Oh and so much worse that I have literally one ads have popped up. My entire comment has been deleted. And then I have to start over again.
Also the answer is freaking simple. Don't rely on luxuries. Cars and single family homes are luxuries... We need public transit, and people have to work until they are dead. This is one reason why America is looking at revoking child labor laws.
The rise in costs are going to cause more businesses to close. People are getting paid $20+ dollars an hour to work at McDonalds, and that still doesn't pay enough for those workers to afford a house or pay for a car. When working doesn't afford a good life, then why will people choose to work?
Logging is dam near a volunteer profession. You can make money until a piece of equipment breaks or someone gets hurt. Then you're working for free.
There is no demand for lumber.
Thanks great video.
Interesting monolog.
if you poop on unions, dont pay people living wages, treat them like trash, and give them absolutely no local services/amenities, ofc the kids are gonna leave. who wants to live someplace where they get treated like trash? they will search for better opportunities elsewhere, leaving the jobs for even poorer people, like migrants. only for the rich a******s that made the place awful, raising prices, cutting social services, voting in people purely on tax cuts (the ones now hiring the migrants) to tell everyone "its these immigrants making everything worse, bringing drugs and blah blah blah" etc, etc. its a joke. america deserves everythinf that is coming
And in the NW here we wont get into Canada's no stump Fees and USA stump fees replant etc cause..yeah
Less population means less need for construction matarial, so less need for sawmills - correct?
Drops in population only follow drops in the workforce, so consumption remains constant, and production drops. That's the core problem here.
@thetimberlandinvestor true, but previous production (aka built houses) tends to stay around and get passed down eventually - so as time progresses, there should be more houses than people if you follow that trajectory
Sawmills could sell lumber to their employees at cost for the employees to build their own homes …
When people get educated and their children survive until adulthood, they don't want or need to have large families.
I'm a small horse logger. I just bought 125 acres of standing timber and am paying the landowner $45/bush cord for the firewood. Mostly dead and dying ash.
If you were older, you would realize that many of the 'conveniences' you are praising Mexico for is exactly what we had in the US, as little as a few decades ago. This is more a function of corporate consolidation pushing small businesses out of the marketplace, and government corruption completely screwing up our entire healthcare industry. In fact, your entire analysis is poorly informed and, as a result, off base.
This isn't unique to sawmills in MT... a manufacturing company I used to work for (located near Bozeman) has the same problem (and this is going on all over the country). The housing cost increases you noted are not just fallout from COVID. They are also due to the massive influx of people from places like California, who are coming in and buying up property for well-above market value with cash bids.
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Enlightening discussion! I have the same problem with long trains of thought. Personally, I think it's a sign of intelligence but it clashes with people's short attention spans. However, admittedly in bidirectional conversation it does open one up to being side tracked when people questions/objects/etc to your evidence or background info.
How much you want to bet that there is a computer program that does all of this in seconds for very cheap that big companies use to estimate what their forest is worth?
Its insane that states with 2 people in them have the same voting power as a state with 2 million people. Just amalgamate a few of the more useless pride states.
Im a regernative farmer. Great content sir
If your brother can't use a compass, then it doesn't matter if he has two.
I'm from Montana! And I am going to say it the way it is! The hiring practices are why they can't get help! You don't hire anyone! Imaginary people don't get anything done!
China still has a smaller economy than the United States. Not just per capita but in bulk numbers too. and that is going by Chinese numbers which are largely inflated.
Years ago there was much manual labor at sawmills then automation came in, now i watched a progrram about a massive mill in Alaska that produces huge amounts of lumber but has very few workers. So machines displaced humans. A small time mill that requires labor cannot compete against a hugly automated mill.
Fuckin great video
So it’s women that actually have babies. So their opinions matter? It’s just fun watching guys think if they just talk a little louder at women they’ll see you’re right. Fun, as in pathetic.
Company Towns with Company Housing and Stores ? We know how that has worked out in the past ? Thanks for posting.
Good info - thanks for posting. Thumbs up.
On the topic of children I'm not looking to have kids because of the mortality rate being so much higher in America compared to other developed countries
m.kzread.infovideos This guy takes garage fabrication to the limit
I'm on 10 acres in the Pacific Northwest, doug fir, western red cedar and some hemlock. I have a fifty year old flat deck crane truck with a hefty knuckle boom crane bought used for 10k with a gvw of 30 ton. I have a Woodmizer Lt40 HD bought used for cheap as well. I work alone and use steel cable and pulley blocks to yard the trees to the road. When I'm not milling my own trees I do custom milling at $900/1000bft or $90/ hr which is the going rate around here now. I love the process from start to finished product. I'm not sure how much custom milling work I will get with lumber prices crashing at the moment but I'm a cabinetmaker by trade so I have somethingto fall back on.