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Why do people always show pulling a bottle out of that back pocket? Of course you can pull it out. You just can’t get it back in.
The water blader compartment is actually very difficult to access, tricky to squeeze bladder in even when bag is empty. Then somehow in front it lacks hose holder (little clip that holds the end into place) as many other bags do, so the the hose either dangles in front of you or you have to shovel it in to one of the front pocket on the shoulder strap, again inconvenient and unstable, making it impossible for sports require more movement such as running, biking etc. So the bladder placement design is lacking. Anyway, I had high hopes for this bag, and it turned out a bit disappointing and quite expensive too.
Thank you. Finally an honest review. There’s no excuse to be missing a place to clip the hose. And there is really no excuse to make a bag that is difficult to put a bladder in. No one wants to struggle with the bladder.
Wait…I can see in the video the strap for the bladder hose
Is it suitable for summer weather, 10°C at night for example
Hej, great video! Did you test it during a longer shower or heavy rain? How much water came in? Would be really interesting to know!
Great review thank you, this pack has gone straight on my wish list! The front access strap pockets look so useful.
@@Benj1980 they are a bit of a game changer 👍
I just purchased the Osprey Talon Velocity 30 backpack for biking and short trips, and it's hands down the most comfortable backpack I've ever worn. The 30-liter compartment is a decent size, but what I really love are the stretchy side pouches where you can easily fit a tent or similar items. The wide front straps are incredibly comfortable, and you can fit a lot of things in the pockets, like a GPS navigator, phone, or even water bottles. The velocity model is even cheaper than a pro or regular model!
Thanks 4 the review. Wondering what kind of water bottle have you got tucked into the strap pocket? Looking at my pack it looks too small for a bottle? Thanks 😊
@@harrietthomasmusic if you mean to chest strap pocket it was one of these www.outside.co.uk/running-gear/running-nutrition-hydration/running-flasks-bottles-reservoirs/montane-ultraflask-500ml-montane-logo.html
By far the best video on this pack. Thanks!
@@sentralsix thank you!!
Just picked this up a week ago. You have a recommendation for soft bottles?
@@michaelberg9530 www.outside.co.uk/running-gear/running-nutrition-hydration/running-flasks-bottles-reservoirs/montane-ultraflask-500ml-montane-logo.html These seem to fit well
Are any possibilities of remove the chest arnesses¿
Love it ! That will be my next buy
1. You shall not hold the neox while belaying (written in the manual and the issues the Grigri has with it are even worse) 2. The neox is much heavier 3. The neox is noisy (makes a noise while giving slack)
I absolutely love this pack. I bought both the 20L and 30L in the Talon and Tempest lines for my wife and I. It is very comfortable and honestly fits my hammock gear and basic gear quite nicely. I'm not a fastpacker, I just like the fit of it and the stretchy pockets fit my oversize gear while dedicating the entire tub of the pack for smaller gear and food. I was actually able to load for an overnight with the 20L at a hair less than 11 pounds without food and water. It makes for a great daypack.
Absolutely best video out there right now on the Rab mat range. Well done. Everything I wanted to know and see was included in this video.
heck, i'll wear it for my commute ;)
Could you recommend me other backpacks for climbing? I need to carry rope 80m, quickdraws, shoes, chalk, harness, food, and some other things. I was thinking about 45 l? Or it’s very small?
Brilliant video, I've a 40ltr bag that I've used for 2 years and it took this video to show me how to wear it properly. I often do 20 mile walks and I feel it afterwards. Hopefully repositioning will help with the aches. I'll be doing the c2c next year so a new bigger bag will need to be correct. Thanks
Thanks and enjoy the c2c!
Great review and thanks for all the informative details.
No rain cover?
No, most lighter packs don't come with them including the standard Talon. They are available separately.
You sold me this bag today and I've just had a play packing it. Fits my full Trad rack, 60m dynamic, and 50m static, shoes, helmet, jacket and still has plenty of room for a 2l bottle and some lunch. The perfect crag bag 👌🏻. Thanks again
Brilliant! Thanks very much, glad you like it. Good luck with the project!
Hi there - can’t find the chart on your website as advertised?
They pay you to saying that or really think that. My experience of The North Face Torre Eggerw jacket is horrible. I wear it day after i bought the jacket and i went to mall and my shirt was wet from inside like a crazy. I never had similar experience with goretex
No one pays us to say anything in our videos. This video is now yesrs old. When these first came out there were some issues with the membrane. Our trail jackets did perform well, some others didn't. TNF promise all issues are resolved.
Thank you so much for your nice review, may I know when roll down the top what is the height for this backpack, because I want to get one UL pack for carry on luggage, thank you.
Got that harness half a year back or something. Can confirm, great harness. Huge fan and also was kind of the most comfortable one!
These do look very good. I am a side sleeper, so I need a thicker mat to be comfortable.
I really enjoy your channel. If you are asking for topic ideas I would be interested in your thoughts on footcare in a waterlogged environment like a swamp. Spoke with a graduate of the Brazilian Jungle Warfare course and he said they all modified flipflop sandals (removed straps and reduced thickness) to make an insole that would not absorb water inside their jungle boots. He also added that they would coat their feet in diaper rash cream to minimize the amount of water absorbed by the skin. What is the fastest way you found to dry boots? Is is sole down/opening up to allow the moisture to evaporat or is it suspended upside down on a stick sole up to allow the water to drip out? Have you tried the inserting a hot obiect like a water bottle to have heat radiate from the inside or putting absorbing/wicking material inside to soak up the moisture? Just curious on your thoughts for this.
Looks great but your prices are way out of most peoples budget.
I Will try it, one day!!
Advantages compared to an atc? What I see: Atc: lighter, double rope, rapell, belay the second, more robust as no moving parts (and it is cheap) The grigri blocks also if stupid things hapen but is not good to rapidly change bewtween extending and retracting rope. Neox: no auto blocking, just a little more more blocking force.
Is it made in a country that is a western democracy? Atom Packs looks similar but made in the UK.
Thanks sooo much for this!! Very useful and very nicely produced video!
You're welcome 😊
Después de ver esto voy a dejar de usar el grigri y voy a empezar a utilizar el reverso
While it looks very interesting, I still do feel that we will see a lot of falls initially as some people simply got used to violating the brake hand principle with the Grigri and it seems that this device will not lock as easily as some other devices. @hardiseasy will surely provide us with some testing in the future. What will also be of note is that a Grigri tends to get a bit smoother once it is worn in properly, it will be interesting to see whether or not the same effect can be observed here.
I agree with the comment below about this being one of the best videos on this that I've seen. I'm a complete novice and I learned so much from this in a very short time. Great talking, easy to listen too. No padding and waffling. LOVE IT. Thank you so much for sharing. This'll set me up for the charity challenge I've signed up for in Sept. The Proclaimers 500 mile walk challenge. 500 mile in 10 days. Going to be a GRUELLER!! Thanks again. 🥰
Thank you very much!
Why are you not using a safebiner?
My questions would be how it handles dirt, being a wheel as well as ice climbing applications. Would it freeze up?
So far so good regards dirt, honestly don't know regards ice.
Ice climbing with a gri gri style device =😱😱😱
@@petethepeg2 tell me you don’t climb ice without telling me… 🙄
@@Amanda-ev3xe Hmmmm, do you use a gri gri in your ice climbing ?
@@Amanda-ev3xe You`ve gone quiet on your answer ! Or are you in hospital recovering from using a gri gri for your ice climbing adventures ?LOL
I've heard its not ideal for those who only do TR, since during a catch it will slide around 4cm (can be found in their FAQs).
TR - top rope?
For me the Wild Country Revo is king for indoor climbing. This looks nice, I wonder if it’s as „stupid proof“ as the Revo.
I used a Revo for 4 years until the fins wore down on the wheel. Loved the Revo! But it has a few minor flaws: 1. It isn't a progress capture device; 2. Belaying a hangdogger requires some shenanigans...doable, but a pain. 3. Belaying your second from above is challenging (no progress capture). Used the Neox today at the gym and loved it! All the problems of the GriGri version 1, 2 and 3 (+) have been solved. No, it's not as stupid proof as the Revo, you can thread the Neox wrong. But throwing rope is to your leader is as good as the Revo. It lowers perfectly, locks up just like a normal Gri. We even tried it belaying from above. As long as a break hand was in play, it grabbed just as good as the GriGri +.
@@markhwebster thank you for your insight, appreciated! I am at my second revo and I am happy as long it’s indoor climbing. It definitely has some flaws, you described it well. I just wonder what a „hangdogger“ is? One idea, in case you are going back to the revo: it’s true, there is no progress lock but I squeeze the device with my left hand after pulling in rope. That locks the device and feels like a progress lock. Because of your suggestion i might give the Neox a go but only when the price is at the level of a grigri. I find it quite overpriced
@@AW-po7jr Yes, I also bought a new (second) Revo but gave it to my wife because she doesn't like holding down the cam on our GriGri's. We have both GriGri 2 and 3(+). I haven't tried your trick of squeezing the Revo for progress capture, very interesting. I've been known to simply step on the rope as a way to hold a top roper who is constantly falling. That is the Revo flaw: it won't grab unless there is acceleration. I've also learned to manually flip the Revo lever up, forcing it to lock...but that is a bit tricky when they are already loading the rope. Hang dogging refers to someone who is repeatedly falling on lead. They will yell: "Take" to avoid a whipper. I've caught hundreds of trad and sport falls with my Revo all over the West coast from Joshua Tree to Squamish and Indian Creek. I kept hoping they would make Revo version 2 and address the minor problems. It appears that the Neox has beat them to it. I'm waiting until the Neox has been out for a while...make sure it doesn't have some hidden flaws. Neox feels and looks a little flimsy compared to my GriGri +.
A shame PETZL didn't put the steel reinforcement in the flap where the rope rubs over it. They did it in the GriGri+ and it extends the life of the device to nearly indefinitely. The softer aluminium rubs through after a couple of years. Well, I guess it's better for their bottom line that way!
I agree, it's frustrating this only features on the beginner orientated "+"when ironically its needed more for advanced climbers who climb much more frequently. I've heard it's to do with the added weight but I think the majority would be happy with that slight increase.
Can you belay the second? Petzl doesn't say etiher way in the manual. I assume you can't then?
Nice overview! Is the 50 and the 40 more or less the same size but the 50 is taller and has the lid? and what are your thoughts on the loose side pockets, anything fall out? and how strong is the fabric on the bottom of the pockets? I need to get my tripod in there which has spiked feet. Thanks
The side pockets are mesh but the very bottom is reinforced material so I think it would be fine. The pockets have a compression strap inside them which would hold the tripod nicely. The 50 and 40 have the same frame but just the 50 has slightly more volume and a lid. The 40 has a roll top closure. I hope this helps
@@OutsideHathersage thanks a lot
👎👎👎 Price. I have Grigri 1. ❤
Tested it some months ago. Definitely gonna buy it, it works super good
For 150? That’s the price. I am also interested but not at this price point.
@@AW-po7jr well it's a cheap price considering how much it lasts, that ur life depends on it and that Gri-Gris are usually about 100 bucks. But in general like the dude says it, if u already have a Gri-Gri and know how to use it, don't bother.
@@HernanPastenes considering there are cheaper options that are even safer (Grigri or Revo) I d go with the safer and cheaper device. The Safety was tested by the KZread Channel: „hard is easy“ if you dont believe me, the Neox can fail to lock under unfortunate conditions. Beside, there is no Long term experience how long it lasts.
@@AW-po7jr considering that its technically a "modified" Gri-Gri I think it will last around the same time as a regular Gri-Gri, the issue biggest issue I think that there is here is since you can give rope aggressively you will need a bigger "threshold" for it to activate. Btw i was defending the price point not the system itself. I prefer the Gri-Gri since it's more "safe-proof" I'd rather have the tight rope issue than a biggest threshold for it to activate.
a good belayer can do the same (and even better) with just a ten buck biner.
Okay, I'm a sports climber that doesn't really have a clue how trad works, but: why would you not use the NEOX for trad? From the few trad experiences I've had belaying trad and sports looked very similar. What am I missing?
In the UK and europe in general it is more common to use 2 half ropes for trad and you cant use a grigri with 2 ropes.
Because in trad climbing it's often advantageous to belay the follower from the top, even in a single pitch environment, and the Neox isn't great for top-belay systems.
falling on trad gear, when belayed with a grigri, quickly exceeds huge forces on the gear, as you often can´t give a nice soft catch with it. people now will say, but it works. Yeah, usually after three trials they manage to do so, but in a real wordl climbing, you must get it instantly right (soft). With a tubular device (and practice) not an problem. With a grigri, most belayers will suck, and therfore rip the small gear out of its placement. Or wach the latest hardiseasy content, why it can be a advantage to give a really soft belay, not to break the rope, when running over and edge. A tube is a much more powerfull device, compared with all those assisted braking shit.
So it locks less when giving slack than the original grigri right ? Anyone who bought and tested it can confirm that ?
Maybe don’t wear a petzl shirt for a supposedly unbiased review.
James didn't. Sponsored athele Steve did, I do think you're right though.
Or you could just learn to belay well. Still seems like based on the hand position you can feed slack faster with a grigri because you can push down with your right hand instead of having the belay device pointing up from fiction as you feed out rope. Really seems like its heavier and does nothing better unless someone is new to belaying. Also, grigri for trad all day.
Some of the very worst belaying I've seen and experienced is from experienced climbers. ...
Does the NEOX also have the anti-panic lever like the GRIGR+?
No it doesn't.
@@OutsideHathersagedeal breaker, seriously
@@OutsideHathersageExcellent, the lever on the plus is super annoying.
man with Petzl t shirt on " its a great device" ! now go and spend your money on something you dont need