It’s impossible to understand what this guy is saying. How do you make the molds?
@D-Res5 күн бұрын
This is what happens when an idea is given too much money and too little thought. Keep refining and maybe you’ll get there, but i was immediately put off by the “political speak” of the video, and clear lies. “No post processing”, then shows a part with the excess material still attached.
@zakariakhamees6 күн бұрын
I am a bit confused. Isn't this just epoxy resin castings using 3d printed molds?
@chrisbarone5157 күн бұрын
AWESOME! 🤯🤯😍😍
@DArK5taTiC9 күн бұрын
Would i be able to use this with prints from my sla printer ?
@coryseaward97512 күн бұрын
Why not 3d print a mold and just pour resin or plastic into it. Don’t need this big ass machine to do that..
@stevrgrs12 күн бұрын
That’s not injection molding dude. That’s just regular casting 😂
@joakimscholdberg462921 күн бұрын
Please show a full demonstration of the process
@royalmazan421621 күн бұрын
So this takes traditional silicone molding to the next level?
@ausfoodgarden25 күн бұрын
Geez Reup this with decent video, then I'll listen.
@MaximalistWorkshop29 күн бұрын
How much will the mold release cost?
@NeckogIndustries29 күн бұрын
The one in the video is 5oz $20. It equates to 6-8 cans of spray mold release.
@MaximalistWorkshop29 күн бұрын
@@NeckogIndustries Great - thank you!
@bobbycrookАй бұрын
Can the printer injection mould you a better quality microphone? 🙄
@TheVirglАй бұрын
Looks / Feels/ Sounds like Scam. NT
@excitedbox5705Ай бұрын
I love your product, but have 4 suggestions that may help you on your way to success. 1. Biggest reason products like this fail is funding. What does kickstarter give you that you can't do yourself for less than 10% of your REVENUE? The novelty of kickstarter has worn off to the point where it gives little in the way of advertising value and I would argue harms anyone trying to portray a SERIOUS company. Especially when starting out, companies need to be FRUGAL to the max and using a service like kickstarter is in direct opposition to this. I can put together a better pre-order landing page in an hour than what they offer. 2. I would position your product as a solution for low volume injection molding and prototyping instead of as a 3D printing alternative. This makes it a value add, instead of replacement for another technology. Molding is really useful for items that shouldn't be 3D printed in the first place. 3D printing's strength is for internal channels which molding can't compete with. Where your product does deliver a big win though is the 99% of OTHER parts that do not need a 3D printer but do require, quick turnaround, low/medium volume and strength. 3. Tight focus on a few niches. The lower upfront cost compared to injection molding is great, since injection molding is expensive upfront, but VERY cheap after initial investment. This means low volume production runs is where your product shines. I would name prototyping as an additional feature but not a main feature because for 1 of prototypes manual casting avoids the cost of your machine. I think you will be most successful with a tight focus on a niche, that is high value low volume parts. This should also guide your resin/epoxy development, along with any fillers or modifiers. 4. $12/kg is a lot compared to the $1.50-$5 of injection molding and $3.50-$10 of casting resins. That means either you need to get costs way down or find customers who have plenty of margin in their products to pay that premium. When I can buy a used injection molding machine for <$20k that means if I have a production run of just a few thousand units material costs + speed are already offsetting any other advantages. Injection molds are expensive but so is employee payroll. An injection molding machine has 20-60 second cycle times. This means your ideal customer will want to produce many DIFFERENT products, in quantities numbered <5k units. Also parts with special properties which are not easily achieved using injection molding. ie. Special shapes, multiple materials, lots of inserts or fillers, big pieces. 5. A use case you may not have thought of is casting onto large items that are not movable or on a job site. Think wear surfaces, vibration isolation standoffs on a large/machine part. It isn't too difficult to mount a mold onto or around another part or machine. I think something like a vibration motor mount.
@wholenessАй бұрын
As an engineer I would have to say this would be a tough product to deliver. How do you handle cutting excess material?
@JAYTHEGREAT355Ай бұрын
I second that . I would like for them show us the machine working . Also if it clogs, that'd a big issue.
@RaphMNTRАй бұрын
Im intrigued. This mimics a lot of my workflow. I just dont really understand it yet. So its a FDM printer alright. Plus a mixing and injection system for thermoset resins. But how does this workflow actually benefit me? As far as explained, i still have to manually prep the mold surfaces, and manually inject the resin. Other than a static mixer being integrated, i dont see the benefit yet. Could you do a more indepth video of the actual casting workflow?
@KolMan2000Ай бұрын
That printer is absolutely colossal. And I thought my X-Max 3 was big
@VfxBlenderАй бұрын
Isn’t this just a 3d printer? You can make a mold with certain plastics that you can use as mold
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
Flovv-e is a 3D printer with Injection System. Flovv is Standalone Injection System. You can print molds from ABS. Also You can use molds made out of silicone, aluminium materials.
@jcjko5504Ай бұрын
NATO- No Action, Talking Only.
@resonatetwelderАй бұрын
My ears are bleeding
@kevinm3751Ай бұрын
I see so many hidden costs in this system its not even funny! When anyone says something is or uses "proprietary" parts or materials be skeptical because the costs they claim are just hiding the real cost!
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
You can use your resins and your mold releases. Our mold release is $20 which is cheaper than almost all.
@Slurgical_3D_Terrain_ChannelАй бұрын
I’m a maker, I make terrain for tabletop gaming. I don’t really understand everything you are selling. What is the $499 for unless I missed something in the video. I see 2 machines on the desk. How many times can the same mold be used before it deteriorates. How hot is the chemical process. The release mold “helps” with layer line…then how accurate can it be for small details. I can easily see this working for parts and jigs for trades, that is actually brilliant for that market. But how doesn’t affect really thin or small details. If I could produce basic terrain with this setup it’s a win for me. My printer can deal with the small details while larger structures be casted.
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
Flovv which is the standalone unit will be $499. If its an ABS mold you can use it 40-50 times without any problems. Temperature depends on the thickness of the part(it doesn't go above 180-190F for a very thick part). For really small parts SLA printing or using silicone molds is way to go. When removing a very small detail from a rigid mold its likely to break unless its from a flexible material(in this case using a off the shelf spray mold release is much better). We never meant it to build very small details as there are a lot of machines for that. But if you are regularly casting this helps a lot with the process also for casting large structures from multiple part molds, its cheaper while also being very easy to use. If user is already casting things manually, Flovv makes it much easier. Thank you for the comments we are trying our best.
@KidHaru28 күн бұрын
Just look up smooth on products. Buy some oil based clay. Foam core board. And hot glue. Save yourself hundreds of dollars and hours of time. "block mold" "2 part mold" "cavity/matrix mold" are all the tutorials you'll need.
@killiandwАй бұрын
So now you can make 3d injection miniature
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
If its a silicone mold yes. Small details from a rigid mold would break easily unless its injected from a flexible material.
@linshih5360Ай бұрын
Can we stop making more plastic
@Auggie246Ай бұрын
Watched the whole video but still have no idea how the mold is made. You would think for a cheap injection system, you would also want to emphasize how easy it is to make a mold. I am going to assume the mold is a printed part
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
Yes mold is a 3D printed part. Mold making starts from designing a mold then printing it. Printing it is easy design on the other hand is not easy for everyone as we say in the video too.
@The_PrivateerАй бұрын
Actual ASTM physical parameter testing results of your 'special' resins would be helpful - unless there is a reason you don;t want people to see actual data. Also - how is this different than just printing a 3D mold in any old printer and using whatever 2-part epoxy you wish? Why use your 'special' system?
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
RIM machines has always been industrial size. This is for the one thats for makers. We use polyurethane resins. ASTM makes sense we will include this in the future videos. It creates better parts with a much smoother workflow.
@potatofries144Ай бұрын
Im interested in injection molding silicone parts. Food grade and nonfood grade. This is possible on the flovv? Do we have to use the exact materials your company provides? And just to confirm again, are the molds required to be aluminum or stainless steel?
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
This one has been asked over the emails too. Right now not possible but we are working on it. You can use readily available resins. Before doing so we just ask to give us the name so that we can update our material profile. Different resins have different viscosity profiles. Mold can be anything you readily use. We did develop a mold release to use directly 3d printed molds from ABS,PLA or Resin printed molds. Also for aluminium or silicone you can use off the shelf mold releases too.
@potatofries144Ай бұрын
@@NeckogIndustries Gotcha. Thank you for the reply
@aloreactusplayer1776Ай бұрын
like to se miniature and comlex stateu molds injected
@ZergRadioАй бұрын
The audio killed my ears
@AlitaGunm99Ай бұрын
I can't understand a word, and the CC's aren't working. I guess the AI couldn't understand him either.
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
We fixed the subtitles. Audio will be fixed on the next one.
@thatguyfromtexas13Ай бұрын
Looks cool but I can’t understand what the person is saying
@DavidSchneggАй бұрын
Just change the playback speed to 0.75x... 👍
@moodberryАй бұрын
I have no idea what you are saying here. You are displaying two machines, then telling us it is $499. Am I buying machines, or a service? Very confusing...
@henrik.norbergАй бұрын
I was thinking that as well, but go to the link in the information and it explains it as it should have been done in the video. TLDR $499 is for the standalone injection machine to the right. The complete system to the left is almost $4000 msrp.
@manuelg97Ай бұрын
Hi nice product, i'd like to use this machine to overmold some rubber parts over CF plates, the mixing ratio is not exactly 1:1, but more likely 60:40, would it be possible to tune in a different mixing ratio?
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
Depends on the viscosity profile of the resin but its possible. Calibrating to different resins is something we will be doing. It's not going to be just our resins.
@techsquirrellАй бұрын
Too many typos to be taken seriously ...
@rescuemethodАй бұрын
Where will these be made?
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
We are based in Texas. We are manufacturing all chemicals and devices in US. Screen and some of the components are bought from China.
@rescuemethodАй бұрын
@NeckogIndustries great. Sounds like the printer will be made in the USA with less than 50% Chinese components. Great you are making it in the US.
@PanayotovOneАй бұрын
How expensive would it be to buy the consumables from The US? Are you going to have a reseller in the EU?
@rescuemethodАй бұрын
Im not clear on what each box does. Is one an FDM printer? The smaller one is an injection machine, sort of a press that holds the mold shut withbpressure and then i jects the part? We need a demo of a regid part and a flexible part. Show us the lapsed time, the prep and process and post processing.
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
Next video will be from start to finish whole process. Big one is 2in1 FDM printer with a injection system. Smaller one is only Injection System. Molds are either clamped or screwed together. Seamlines are taped.
@rescuemethodАй бұрын
@@NeckogIndustries great looking forward to that video.
@MyMomHadMeАй бұрын
Same
@poni7373Ай бұрын
Please ensure much, much better sound than on this video
@K_SheaАй бұрын
Hopefully they find the time to answer the many questions.
@ronsone8373Ай бұрын
I like to see a working machine
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
Next video will be a complete workflow
@maficstudiosАй бұрын
Would like a better idea of cost to run - like cost of consumables, and the range of costs for the injection materials (I can't imagine $12/kg is across the board) as well as cost for the mold release. Also if there are going to be geographic related issues on where the resins can be shipped, shipping costs... all adds up really quick.
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
Mentioning all prices would make for a boring video. Mold release is $20 per 5 ounces(approximately:150gr). It equates to about 8 cans of mold release spray. You can use both systems with the resins that are available in the market . Only thing is provide us with the name so that we can update the device. We are working to streamline the process of reaction injection molding and casting to make it hassle-free.
@maficstudiosАй бұрын
@@NeckogIndustries To be fair, one can cover such things with a chart. The question I have is if your business model is equitable, or it's a standard "printer" model where the device is free, and the gotcha is in the consumables. That I have a market that tolerates a given cost, and if I can't mold my parts within that cost, then buying the device is moot. Your product looks good on the surface, just want to do my due diligence.
@joshcarter-comАй бұрын
How long does it take to run each part? I’d like to see the process of assembling the mold, using the machine to inject, removing the part from the mold, and then on to the next part. I understand this isn’t for large production runs, but say I’ve got 20 parts to make like those on your table-what’s the time and effort involved?
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
Sure. On the next video we show from mold design to finished product.
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
You are not limited to using only Neckog materials for either device. Simply provide us with the name of the material you wish to use, and we will send you a calibrated flow file for it. You have the freedom to design the molds and manufacture them from any material(silicone, aluminium) of your choice. DaaS is designed for those who prefer not to handle the process themselves, and with prices starting at just $4.99 per mold, it's an incredibly affordable option.
@ZeroAnkokuАй бұрын
I like the potential but the deposit prior to the kickstarter is BS. If you have backers on that platform, why should you have to back the project AND your position to back the project?
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
To see the manufacturing numbers roughly before the kickstarter.
@SuperLittlehornАй бұрын
its only a concept. the flow-e behind the printbed that 2 cable is a LOL . im not convince thats a working printer. the whole thing looks like a 3d printed can see the layered
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
Outer shells are made out of thermoformed ABS with flat panels being aluminium. Internal structure is L stainless steel riveted to aluminium bent panels. Yes there are 3D printed parts.
@SuperLittlehornАй бұрын
@@NeckogIndustries are The Machine a working or just a prototype?
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
@@SuperLittlehorn All the cut scenes are actually injected with the machines. instagram.com/p/C4g47kptGtt/ On the link this is at the highest flow setting with the rigid resin.(Since operator is behind the mold he can't see the mold fill. So, when injecting, the operator presses the button multiple times instead of holding it down continuously.).Also on the next video we will do the process from start to finish without cut scenes. After the injection we will do a timelapse without the cut. Also there will be a printing timelapse on the scene. So they are working.
@bkhaltermanАй бұрын
I think the example parts say it all… You have to think, they are showing us the best they can do. The services side is a huge no go for me… I own an engineering firm, we design injection molds, machine them, and then use them in our shop, and these people are telling me that the skills required to design a resin mold are too much for my team? LOL. Who are these people? Also, I’ve 3D printed plenty of resin molds in the past and used off the shelf resins with no issue, so what do I gain here? I don’t get it… Seems like this is a, not very well thought out scam…
@raphofthehills4405Ай бұрын
He did not say that one must use their daas mold-design service. Users can design and print their own mold. Seeing your background it is doubtful you are their customer target. But for people new to injection molding, this supposedly affordable and simple to use / clean solution might be an interesting start.
@MrGTAmodsgermanАй бұрын
Your team? This is for average consumers. Not you
@bob84409Ай бұрын
I think target market are hobbyists, not people who own teams. That should be pretty self evident from the cost.
@DaveEtchellsАй бұрын
AFAICT, the design service is just an option; you’re free to do your own designs. (In fact, you can just use your own printer with their standalone injection machine, I didn’t hear any limitation about design in his presentation.
@SteffenBauerАй бұрын
@@bob84409 i dont think hobbyists are the target. Hobbyists can just cast pour the materials normally or use a syringe. My guess it is for etsy shops or small shops like for prototyping, small batch productions or prop making for theaters and movies.
@Brian-SАй бұрын
This is awesome. With the wire edm, the desktop sla printer and now this I am loving how fast the advancements in 3d printing has been this year! So many really cool things showing up cant wait to see more of this I am especially excited about the foam aspects for rc planes. Are the molds able to be made with a hollow center?
@DOGMA1138Ай бұрын
This isn't 3D printing, this is just your regular polyurethane resin casting, you can 3D print or CNC the molds yourself and buy the poly resins in bulk at cheaper prices already. So far I haven't seen anything here that is new or an improvement over existing workflows.
@PencilParasiteАй бұрын
I need to know more about yours materials , the "rigid resin" for example is like ABS? ASA? Nylon?
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
Rigid is very close to ABS. There has been a lot of comments about this we will take all into consideration on the following videos.
@PanayotovOneАй бұрын
Think about PC like resin.
@pancakes465Ай бұрын
what is the difference from just buying a 2 part epoxy and casting it in a 3d printed mold?
@davidconner-shover51Ай бұрын
less mess I figure
@Slurgical_3D_Terrain_ChannelАй бұрын
Hopefully hassle free bubble free end product…not very clear whats going on.
@mayamanignАй бұрын
Wait, I thought this was abs/ASA injector. Resin?
@RaphMNTRАй бұрын
My thoughts exactly. It seems to have a pressurized injection system, but in reality mold design itself is the most important factor. To my understanding this product is really niche for people doing 10-50 Part runs. FDM printed molds dont really last much longer than that, and for lower part count i can just mix the resin by hand and pour it.
@Slurgical_3D_Terrain_ChannelАй бұрын
@@RaphMNTR I agree, I have my doubts for viability. The 3D printer they are showing and printed results have layer lines that really shows at a distance on camera. The quality of prints or how reliable the printer is questionable given how performing the last generation of printers are. I’m guessing the printer has both process in the one box (system on the side) Didn’t watch all their videos. There are some good DYI injection kits that can be build and reuse old 3D printer parts instead of sending those old printers to the graveyard. I have my reservation on the release mold getting rid of the printer’s layer lines without going to great effort.
@yeabutwecouldbefreerАй бұрын
Things that are missing, that were just glossed over: Just send you the part to design the mold? 1.) How much does this design process cost? 2.)Can we design our own mold and how? 3.) If we have to go through your company to design the mold, is shipping included? 4.) What are the consumer facing material properties for each of the resins; for example is there a UV resistant one similar to ASA, is there a impact resistant one similar to ABS/ASA, is there a food safe one similar to PETG/PLA(when made correctly). Is there a high strength one similar to PLA and PC, is there a high temp one similar to ABS/ASA/PC?
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
Thank you for the questions. These shape the future videos. 1. Design is going to be per mold based starting from $4.99. 2. You can certainly design your mold. We will be sharing a lot on how to design for different materials and different applications on this channel. It will start with 2 part molds and at the first video 3. We don't offer manufacturing of the molds. Its just a service we provide so that people can streamline their process. 4. There will be UV resistant resins we offer, our rigid material is fairly similar to injection molded ABS. 3D printed parts aren't isotropic although the numbers on papers are high. In real world use thats not the case because of the layered structure of 3D printing. There will be no food safe material on polyurethane line-up. If we can get our system to use platinum cure silicones or special resins but before that there are a lot of materials to offer. Like earlier its generally much durable than 3d printed alternatives we will release data sheets on every material. Yes there will be polyurethanes for higher temperatures currently Glass transition of Base Rigid is 167 F or 75 C.
@kineticentertainment26386 күн бұрын
@@NeckogIndustries let me follow up on the Daas questions. Is there any limitation to the size, for example can a 3d model of a sword be submitted? Will you be able to request only single part molds or could you request gang molds? Does the service have a buy in if we do not kickstart the Flovv and are just interested in the molding service? Do your materials only work with the Flovv or can they be hand mixed and poured. Is degassing of your polyeurathane compound needed?
@NeckogIndustries5 күн бұрын
@@kineticentertainment2638 DaaS has no limitation with size but models has to be step files. Yes a 3D model of a sword can be submitted.At the beginning DaaS will be for our customers only once we think we can handle more it will be available to everyone.(no buy in needed). You can mix materials by hand. Hand mixing introduces air bubbles into the material. Hence if you are mixing by hand degassing is needed. Injecting with machine makes for a much better end product. If you are using the machine degassing is not needed. If the component requires shake before use we have an in tank mixer which does it for you.
@JOEDHIGGINSАй бұрын
What is the price per KG for your materials? Your website shows 0.00 for all materials.
@tomyocom5886Ай бұрын
In the video $12 kilogram
@sirrodneyffing1Ай бұрын
Smooth On and many others sell 2 part resins by the bucket load.
@kevinpezzi6777Ай бұрын
Do you have material safety data sheets for the chemicals?
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
These will be available on our website.
@willofthemakerАй бұрын
This is really cool. Definitely want to see more, especially start to finish
@NeckogIndustriesАй бұрын
Definitely we will be sharing a lot on this channel.
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It’s impossible to understand what this guy is saying. How do you make the molds?
This is what happens when an idea is given too much money and too little thought. Keep refining and maybe you’ll get there, but i was immediately put off by the “political speak” of the video, and clear lies. “No post processing”, then shows a part with the excess material still attached.
I am a bit confused. Isn't this just epoxy resin castings using 3d printed molds?
AWESOME! 🤯🤯😍😍
Would i be able to use this with prints from my sla printer ?
Why not 3d print a mold and just pour resin or plastic into it. Don’t need this big ass machine to do that..
That’s not injection molding dude. That’s just regular casting 😂
Please show a full demonstration of the process
So this takes traditional silicone molding to the next level?
Geez Reup this with decent video, then I'll listen.
How much will the mold release cost?
The one in the video is 5oz $20. It equates to 6-8 cans of spray mold release.
@@NeckogIndustries Great - thank you!
Can the printer injection mould you a better quality microphone? 🙄
Looks / Feels/ Sounds like Scam. NT
I love your product, but have 4 suggestions that may help you on your way to success. 1. Biggest reason products like this fail is funding. What does kickstarter give you that you can't do yourself for less than 10% of your REVENUE? The novelty of kickstarter has worn off to the point where it gives little in the way of advertising value and I would argue harms anyone trying to portray a SERIOUS company. Especially when starting out, companies need to be FRUGAL to the max and using a service like kickstarter is in direct opposition to this. I can put together a better pre-order landing page in an hour than what they offer. 2. I would position your product as a solution for low volume injection molding and prototyping instead of as a 3D printing alternative. This makes it a value add, instead of replacement for another technology. Molding is really useful for items that shouldn't be 3D printed in the first place. 3D printing's strength is for internal channels which molding can't compete with. Where your product does deliver a big win though is the 99% of OTHER parts that do not need a 3D printer but do require, quick turnaround, low/medium volume and strength. 3. Tight focus on a few niches. The lower upfront cost compared to injection molding is great, since injection molding is expensive upfront, but VERY cheap after initial investment. This means low volume production runs is where your product shines. I would name prototyping as an additional feature but not a main feature because for 1 of prototypes manual casting avoids the cost of your machine. I think you will be most successful with a tight focus on a niche, that is high value low volume parts. This should also guide your resin/epoxy development, along with any fillers or modifiers. 4. $12/kg is a lot compared to the $1.50-$5 of injection molding and $3.50-$10 of casting resins. That means either you need to get costs way down or find customers who have plenty of margin in their products to pay that premium. When I can buy a used injection molding machine for <$20k that means if I have a production run of just a few thousand units material costs + speed are already offsetting any other advantages. Injection molds are expensive but so is employee payroll. An injection molding machine has 20-60 second cycle times. This means your ideal customer will want to produce many DIFFERENT products, in quantities numbered <5k units. Also parts with special properties which are not easily achieved using injection molding. ie. Special shapes, multiple materials, lots of inserts or fillers, big pieces. 5. A use case you may not have thought of is casting onto large items that are not movable or on a job site. Think wear surfaces, vibration isolation standoffs on a large/machine part. It isn't too difficult to mount a mold onto or around another part or machine. I think something like a vibration motor mount.
As an engineer I would have to say this would be a tough product to deliver. How do you handle cutting excess material?
I second that . I would like for them show us the machine working . Also if it clogs, that'd a big issue.
Im intrigued. This mimics a lot of my workflow. I just dont really understand it yet. So its a FDM printer alright. Plus a mixing and injection system for thermoset resins. But how does this workflow actually benefit me? As far as explained, i still have to manually prep the mold surfaces, and manually inject the resin. Other than a static mixer being integrated, i dont see the benefit yet. Could you do a more indepth video of the actual casting workflow?
That printer is absolutely colossal. And I thought my X-Max 3 was big
Isn’t this just a 3d printer? You can make a mold with certain plastics that you can use as mold
Flovv-e is a 3D printer with Injection System. Flovv is Standalone Injection System. You can print molds from ABS. Also You can use molds made out of silicone, aluminium materials.
NATO- No Action, Talking Only.
My ears are bleeding
I see so many hidden costs in this system its not even funny! When anyone says something is or uses "proprietary" parts or materials be skeptical because the costs they claim are just hiding the real cost!
You can use your resins and your mold releases. Our mold release is $20 which is cheaper than almost all.
I’m a maker, I make terrain for tabletop gaming. I don’t really understand everything you are selling. What is the $499 for unless I missed something in the video. I see 2 machines on the desk. How many times can the same mold be used before it deteriorates. How hot is the chemical process. The release mold “helps” with layer line…then how accurate can it be for small details. I can easily see this working for parts and jigs for trades, that is actually brilliant for that market. But how doesn’t affect really thin or small details. If I could produce basic terrain with this setup it’s a win for me. My printer can deal with the small details while larger structures be casted.
Flovv which is the standalone unit will be $499. If its an ABS mold you can use it 40-50 times without any problems. Temperature depends on the thickness of the part(it doesn't go above 180-190F for a very thick part). For really small parts SLA printing or using silicone molds is way to go. When removing a very small detail from a rigid mold its likely to break unless its from a flexible material(in this case using a off the shelf spray mold release is much better). We never meant it to build very small details as there are a lot of machines for that. But if you are regularly casting this helps a lot with the process also for casting large structures from multiple part molds, its cheaper while also being very easy to use. If user is already casting things manually, Flovv makes it much easier. Thank you for the comments we are trying our best.
Just look up smooth on products. Buy some oil based clay. Foam core board. And hot glue. Save yourself hundreds of dollars and hours of time. "block mold" "2 part mold" "cavity/matrix mold" are all the tutorials you'll need.
So now you can make 3d injection miniature
If its a silicone mold yes. Small details from a rigid mold would break easily unless its injected from a flexible material.
Can we stop making more plastic
Watched the whole video but still have no idea how the mold is made. You would think for a cheap injection system, you would also want to emphasize how easy it is to make a mold. I am going to assume the mold is a printed part
Yes mold is a 3D printed part. Mold making starts from designing a mold then printing it. Printing it is easy design on the other hand is not easy for everyone as we say in the video too.
Actual ASTM physical parameter testing results of your 'special' resins would be helpful - unless there is a reason you don;t want people to see actual data. Also - how is this different than just printing a 3D mold in any old printer and using whatever 2-part epoxy you wish? Why use your 'special' system?
RIM machines has always been industrial size. This is for the one thats for makers. We use polyurethane resins. ASTM makes sense we will include this in the future videos. It creates better parts with a much smoother workflow.
Im interested in injection molding silicone parts. Food grade and nonfood grade. This is possible on the flovv? Do we have to use the exact materials your company provides? And just to confirm again, are the molds required to be aluminum or stainless steel?
This one has been asked over the emails too. Right now not possible but we are working on it. You can use readily available resins. Before doing so we just ask to give us the name so that we can update our material profile. Different resins have different viscosity profiles. Mold can be anything you readily use. We did develop a mold release to use directly 3d printed molds from ABS,PLA or Resin printed molds. Also for aluminium or silicone you can use off the shelf mold releases too.
@@NeckogIndustries Gotcha. Thank you for the reply
like to se miniature and comlex stateu molds injected
The audio killed my ears
I can't understand a word, and the CC's aren't working. I guess the AI couldn't understand him either.
We fixed the subtitles. Audio will be fixed on the next one.
Looks cool but I can’t understand what the person is saying
Just change the playback speed to 0.75x... 👍
I have no idea what you are saying here. You are displaying two machines, then telling us it is $499. Am I buying machines, or a service? Very confusing...
I was thinking that as well, but go to the link in the information and it explains it as it should have been done in the video. TLDR $499 is for the standalone injection machine to the right. The complete system to the left is almost $4000 msrp.
Hi nice product, i'd like to use this machine to overmold some rubber parts over CF plates, the mixing ratio is not exactly 1:1, but more likely 60:40, would it be possible to tune in a different mixing ratio?
Depends on the viscosity profile of the resin but its possible. Calibrating to different resins is something we will be doing. It's not going to be just our resins.
Too many typos to be taken seriously ...
Where will these be made?
We are based in Texas. We are manufacturing all chemicals and devices in US. Screen and some of the components are bought from China.
@NeckogIndustries great. Sounds like the printer will be made in the USA with less than 50% Chinese components. Great you are making it in the US.
How expensive would it be to buy the consumables from The US? Are you going to have a reseller in the EU?
Im not clear on what each box does. Is one an FDM printer? The smaller one is an injection machine, sort of a press that holds the mold shut withbpressure and then i jects the part? We need a demo of a regid part and a flexible part. Show us the lapsed time, the prep and process and post processing.
Next video will be from start to finish whole process. Big one is 2in1 FDM printer with a injection system. Smaller one is only Injection System. Molds are either clamped or screwed together. Seamlines are taped.
@@NeckogIndustries great looking forward to that video.
Same
Please ensure much, much better sound than on this video
Hopefully they find the time to answer the many questions.
I like to see a working machine
Next video will be a complete workflow
Would like a better idea of cost to run - like cost of consumables, and the range of costs for the injection materials (I can't imagine $12/kg is across the board) as well as cost for the mold release. Also if there are going to be geographic related issues on where the resins can be shipped, shipping costs... all adds up really quick.
Mentioning all prices would make for a boring video. Mold release is $20 per 5 ounces(approximately:150gr). It equates to about 8 cans of mold release spray. You can use both systems with the resins that are available in the market . Only thing is provide us with the name so that we can update the device. We are working to streamline the process of reaction injection molding and casting to make it hassle-free.
@@NeckogIndustries To be fair, one can cover such things with a chart. The question I have is if your business model is equitable, or it's a standard "printer" model where the device is free, and the gotcha is in the consumables. That I have a market that tolerates a given cost, and if I can't mold my parts within that cost, then buying the device is moot. Your product looks good on the surface, just want to do my due diligence.
How long does it take to run each part? I’d like to see the process of assembling the mold, using the machine to inject, removing the part from the mold, and then on to the next part. I understand this isn’t for large production runs, but say I’ve got 20 parts to make like those on your table-what’s the time and effort involved?
Sure. On the next video we show from mold design to finished product.
You are not limited to using only Neckog materials for either device. Simply provide us with the name of the material you wish to use, and we will send you a calibrated flow file for it. You have the freedom to design the molds and manufacture them from any material(silicone, aluminium) of your choice. DaaS is designed for those who prefer not to handle the process themselves, and with prices starting at just $4.99 per mold, it's an incredibly affordable option.
I like the potential but the deposit prior to the kickstarter is BS. If you have backers on that platform, why should you have to back the project AND your position to back the project?
To see the manufacturing numbers roughly before the kickstarter.
its only a concept. the flow-e behind the printbed that 2 cable is a LOL . im not convince thats a working printer. the whole thing looks like a 3d printed can see the layered
Outer shells are made out of thermoformed ABS with flat panels being aluminium. Internal structure is L stainless steel riveted to aluminium bent panels. Yes there are 3D printed parts.
@@NeckogIndustries are The Machine a working or just a prototype?
@@SuperLittlehorn All the cut scenes are actually injected with the machines. instagram.com/p/C4g47kptGtt/ On the link this is at the highest flow setting with the rigid resin.(Since operator is behind the mold he can't see the mold fill. So, when injecting, the operator presses the button multiple times instead of holding it down continuously.).Also on the next video we will do the process from start to finish without cut scenes. After the injection we will do a timelapse without the cut. Also there will be a printing timelapse on the scene. So they are working.
I think the example parts say it all… You have to think, they are showing us the best they can do. The services side is a huge no go for me… I own an engineering firm, we design injection molds, machine them, and then use them in our shop, and these people are telling me that the skills required to design a resin mold are too much for my team? LOL. Who are these people? Also, I’ve 3D printed plenty of resin molds in the past and used off the shelf resins with no issue, so what do I gain here? I don’t get it… Seems like this is a, not very well thought out scam…
He did not say that one must use their daas mold-design service. Users can design and print their own mold. Seeing your background it is doubtful you are their customer target. But for people new to injection molding, this supposedly affordable and simple to use / clean solution might be an interesting start.
Your team? This is for average consumers. Not you
I think target market are hobbyists, not people who own teams. That should be pretty self evident from the cost.
AFAICT, the design service is just an option; you’re free to do your own designs. (In fact, you can just use your own printer with their standalone injection machine, I didn’t hear any limitation about design in his presentation.
@@bob84409 i dont think hobbyists are the target. Hobbyists can just cast pour the materials normally or use a syringe. My guess it is for etsy shops or small shops like for prototyping, small batch productions or prop making for theaters and movies.
This is awesome. With the wire edm, the desktop sla printer and now this I am loving how fast the advancements in 3d printing has been this year! So many really cool things showing up cant wait to see more of this I am especially excited about the foam aspects for rc planes. Are the molds able to be made with a hollow center?
This isn't 3D printing, this is just your regular polyurethane resin casting, you can 3D print or CNC the molds yourself and buy the poly resins in bulk at cheaper prices already. So far I haven't seen anything here that is new or an improvement over existing workflows.
I need to know more about yours materials , the "rigid resin" for example is like ABS? ASA? Nylon?
Rigid is very close to ABS. There has been a lot of comments about this we will take all into consideration on the following videos.
Think about PC like resin.
what is the difference from just buying a 2 part epoxy and casting it in a 3d printed mold?
less mess I figure
Hopefully hassle free bubble free end product…not very clear whats going on.
Wait, I thought this was abs/ASA injector. Resin?
My thoughts exactly. It seems to have a pressurized injection system, but in reality mold design itself is the most important factor. To my understanding this product is really niche for people doing 10-50 Part runs. FDM printed molds dont really last much longer than that, and for lower part count i can just mix the resin by hand and pour it.
@@RaphMNTR I agree, I have my doubts for viability. The 3D printer they are showing and printed results have layer lines that really shows at a distance on camera. The quality of prints or how reliable the printer is questionable given how performing the last generation of printers are. I’m guessing the printer has both process in the one box (system on the side) Didn’t watch all their videos. There are some good DYI injection kits that can be build and reuse old 3D printer parts instead of sending those old printers to the graveyard. I have my reservation on the release mold getting rid of the printer’s layer lines without going to great effort.
Things that are missing, that were just glossed over: Just send you the part to design the mold? 1.) How much does this design process cost? 2.)Can we design our own mold and how? 3.) If we have to go through your company to design the mold, is shipping included? 4.) What are the consumer facing material properties for each of the resins; for example is there a UV resistant one similar to ASA, is there a impact resistant one similar to ABS/ASA, is there a food safe one similar to PETG/PLA(when made correctly). Is there a high strength one similar to PLA and PC, is there a high temp one similar to ABS/ASA/PC?
Thank you for the questions. These shape the future videos. 1. Design is going to be per mold based starting from $4.99. 2. You can certainly design your mold. We will be sharing a lot on how to design for different materials and different applications on this channel. It will start with 2 part molds and at the first video 3. We don't offer manufacturing of the molds. Its just a service we provide so that people can streamline their process. 4. There will be UV resistant resins we offer, our rigid material is fairly similar to injection molded ABS. 3D printed parts aren't isotropic although the numbers on papers are high. In real world use thats not the case because of the layered structure of 3D printing. There will be no food safe material on polyurethane line-up. If we can get our system to use platinum cure silicones or special resins but before that there are a lot of materials to offer. Like earlier its generally much durable than 3d printed alternatives we will release data sheets on every material. Yes there will be polyurethanes for higher temperatures currently Glass transition of Base Rigid is 167 F or 75 C.
@@NeckogIndustries let me follow up on the Daas questions. Is there any limitation to the size, for example can a 3d model of a sword be submitted? Will you be able to request only single part molds or could you request gang molds? Does the service have a buy in if we do not kickstart the Flovv and are just interested in the molding service? Do your materials only work with the Flovv or can they be hand mixed and poured. Is degassing of your polyeurathane compound needed?
@@kineticentertainment2638 DaaS has no limitation with size but models has to be step files. Yes a 3D model of a sword can be submitted.At the beginning DaaS will be for our customers only once we think we can handle more it will be available to everyone.(no buy in needed). You can mix materials by hand. Hand mixing introduces air bubbles into the material. Hence if you are mixing by hand degassing is needed. Injecting with machine makes for a much better end product. If you are using the machine degassing is not needed. If the component requires shake before use we have an in tank mixer which does it for you.
What is the price per KG for your materials? Your website shows 0.00 for all materials.
In the video $12 kilogram
Smooth On and many others sell 2 part resins by the bucket load.
Do you have material safety data sheets for the chemicals?
These will be available on our website.
This is really cool. Definitely want to see more, especially start to finish
Definitely we will be sharing a lot on this channel.
@@NeckogIndustries looking forward to it. Subbed