i see the artist today in the role mainly of an editor... though of course it depends on what sort of granular level you are editing on. designing instruments means you have some sort of pre-conceived notion of a certain behavior you want to achieve. but at the end of the day, when we are talking about performing or sharing the work with someone else, we can choose the content of what we want the audience to experience, and also give hints or highlight or suggest a certain lens through which to understand or receive that content. what i mean is, in general, lots of people talk about agency and validation through being the specific origin of the content but at the end of the day what really matters is what connects to the audience. i love your conversation about these topics, very thought provoking!
@kriista6 күн бұрын
That's definitely a big part of it, both in terms of what is "shared" with people (audience or otherwise) as well as what one decides to engage with. I imagine there's a lot of overlap with objects/implements in your practice where you can always do more with the same things, or make your own things, or variations of things, etc... The "focus" of that part of the art has an editorial aspect to it since it will inform everything else downstream from that.
@KristofferLislegaard7 күн бұрын
Now I have also had the time to listen / watch it. Very interesting to talk and lovely performances. Thanks again!
@kriista7 күн бұрын
Thanks for the kind words :)
@CengizArslanpay7 күн бұрын
waau thank you for this! :)
@KristofferLislegaard7 күн бұрын
Psst. It says Dan Derks - electronics in the description :)
@kriista7 күн бұрын
Good catch! Edited.
@makeperceive7 күн бұрын
Wonderful, so great to hear the thinking behind it as well
@kriista7 күн бұрын
Thanks! Yeah that's part of the core idea. This one was great as we end up covering so much ground in the talking bit.
@MAYSUNmusic17 күн бұрын
I remember being on drummerworld forum around 2004-2005 and really liking Lawrence's music. Specifically a cover of blackbird!
@kriista17 күн бұрын
Blast from the past.
@PatinoizeАй бұрын
I absolutely love this video. Well done by everyone involved
@kriistaАй бұрын
Thanks!
@be.slingsandarrowsАй бұрын
Cooooool!!!
@late_privktorian_eraАй бұрын
COOL
@DunderBlunder2 ай бұрын
This is hilarious! Love Dan. Animation is really great too!
@kriista2 ай бұрын
Thanks! Was great to try something new on this one and it worked out really well.
@MrReeTart2 ай бұрын
Wow. The sheer depth of this project is just insane. So many different applications for this tech..
@kriista2 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! Look forward to seeing what you come up with.
@MrReeTart2 ай бұрын
@@kriista My first idea is to train it on the MacBook surface through the built-in mic (tapping rhythms on the MacBook). Do you think it's precise enough to be able to use this way effectively?
@kriista2 ай бұрын
@@MrReeTart Interesting. Hard to say because the macbook microphone goes through a *ton* of pre-processing and auto-gain adjustment that you won't be able to control in any way. I suspect it would work, but nowhere near as good as if you had a mic that had no auto-gain funny business at minimum.
@Hooker-mma2 ай бұрын
This thing is like Nicky 6 although N6 used to have it, this is still the worst 😎
@sousastep2 ай бұрын
🙌
@sonocircuit2 ай бұрын
thank you for sharing this. was really inspiring to listen to you two chat.
@kriista2 ай бұрын
Thanks! It was such a pleasure to be able to chat with Dan after so many years of known them.
@CengizArslanpay2 ай бұрын
waaaaau! 2 big heros! :)
@kriista2 ай бұрын
Thank you :)
@f.botello2 ай бұрын
dan!!! ❤
@kriista2 ай бұрын
Dan!!
@KorhanErel2 ай бұрын
This is gold!
@kriista2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@mouseanalyse2 ай бұрын
Just what I needed. Perfect!
@norrisette_official2 ай бұрын
woah!
@axgp_2 ай бұрын
Very inspiring. Love Ray's candor and I'm happy to have discovered his music.
@kriista2 ай бұрын
I love the way he speaks about things. Always a pleasure to chat with him.
@IPCApt3 ай бұрын
🥰
@brucebennett53383 ай бұрын
christopher burns! :)
@kriista3 ай бұрын
One and only!
@axgp_3 ай бұрын
Thank you for platforming Mio. I’ve quickly fallen in love with her work.
@kriista3 ай бұрын
Thanks! Angie did a great job with this interview. There are also more standalone interviews (like this) coming out and planned in the future.
@angelaguyton3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment--and I agree. I find Mio's work very inspiring
@staticvloid4 ай бұрын
Excellent! I particularly love what happens at 2:52.
@kriista4 ай бұрын
The synth goes bananas then!
@LeoAndreasRei4 ай бұрын
Hey Rodrigo this is really awesome! Just downloaded SP Tools and very excited to have a go at it. I've been trying to build something like The Living Looper but tailored more towards very animated-but still somewhat structured-electronic music. I can't code so I'm relying a lot on M4L, Bitwig's Grid, and lots of boolean logic to accomplish this. Your work has been hands down the most helpful resource I've discovered in my 2 years of trying to accomplish this build and I can't tell you enough how grateful I am! Also really love listening to the conversations on these Gib Gab sessions, keep em coming!
@kriista4 ай бұрын
That's great to hear! Honestly, if you can make sense of stringing things together like that you may find coding (in Max at least) less difficult than you would think.
@urbulibaba5 ай бұрын
Fascinating performance and very interesting talk! I liked the second piece even better! Is that the first time you're using that controller thing, or were you using it in older videos already but i hadn't noticed?
@kriista5 ай бұрын
I think the discussion informed some of the approach in the second half (obviously!) in a quite concrete way. I've used it on two others: Diogo Ferreira and Audrey Chen (both vocalists interestingly enough). At this point the patch itself is super old, so I want to revisit the approach with fresh ideas in order to use it more often, as when using it it feels quite restrictive (in ways we talk about (and demonstrate) here).
@AjStillabower5 ай бұрын
yes.
@kriista5 ай бұрын
YES!
@KristofferLislegaard5 ай бұрын
Another great video! Thank you! Have you considered setting up something different than Patreon? Like f.ex. Liberapay? Or directly on Stripe? Both would only have the payment processor take a cut and not Patreon as well. Seems like it would fit your stuff since you are not paywalling content anyways. I guess it is nice to be available on a plattform people know already, but I would consider adding one of these as well. Anyways you are a true inspiration Rodrigo! Thanks for all the inspiration you bring into this world!
@kriista5 ай бұрын
That's a good shout. I think Angie has something set up like that for her comics (with ko-fi, so not exactly an open platform), but having some non-Patreon alternatives would be useful since, as you point out, nothing is behind a paywall there anyways, which is a big part of how people expect it to work. I have enjoyed moving to open platforms for things (e.g. Mastodon), but it's definitely heavy moving over everything. And glad you're enjoying the stuff :)
@AjStillabower5 ай бұрын
yes.
@kriista5 ай бұрын
Yes!
@jstaub11255 ай бұрын
51:12 Logistics Map I believe
@kriista5 ай бұрын
Good to know.
@jstaub11255 ай бұрын
lol at the book covers
@kriista5 ай бұрын
Yeah, hehe. Angie did a fantastic job with this one :)
@angelaguyton5 ай бұрын
sometimes the right gag just presents itself ;)
@angelaguyton5 ай бұрын
you say that for all of them@@kriista (also thank you :)
@raseguado6 ай бұрын
Hello, really fascinating work, thx for all the effort! if i may ask i have an issue with the sp.corpuscreat does it only work for mono file? i also tried it for mono file and i have fluid.bufstats~: Invalid weights and fluid.dataset~: Invalid buffer any suggestion
@kriista6 ай бұрын
Are you on the current version? (v0.9). It is perfectly fine with mono/stereo and any sample rate for analysis stuff.
@urbulibaba6 ай бұрын
oh ok, hadn't gotten to the part where you talk about the combs yet.. :)
@urbulibaba6 ай бұрын
I agree with the other comments, this sounds way too good for a first time collab! 🤩 can I ask you: is hat a regular comb you're using on the snare? and what kind of mic did you use? thx!
@kriista6 ай бұрын
Thanks! So it is a regular comb, but I have to say that I went through a lot, a *lot* of comb testing and searching. I found the best combs (for this kind of stuff) are actually the really cheap kind you get from $/£ bargain bins. They have to feel cheap and plastic-y and have a "plink" sound when you tickle the tines. Those take rosin and make this sound very well. For the mic, it's an inexpensive lav mic which I've housed in a 3d printed thing to make it easier to hold. The exact one I have/use is a Naiant X-X microphone, mainly chosen cuz it was cheap and sounds decent enough.
@urbulibaba6 ай бұрын
@@kriista thanks a lot for the info! i hadn't finished watching just yet so hadn't heard what you said about the combs... very interesting! I'll look up the mic reference, i've been looking for a half-decent (and preferably cheap!) snare mic for while, I also like playing around with lots of "micro" sounds on the drums, but I feel like using a mic with some additional effects could definitely expand my sound palette!
@ekuude6 ай бұрын
Really dig this one! I like SP, but sometimes its hard to listen to for sustained periods of time without at least some sort of melody or pitch to contrast all the texture(and this session in particular had lots of great tones/sinusoids eg)
@kriista6 ай бұрын
This was a particularly nice one musically, I think a large part because we were coming from quite difference places. Somehow it did find a place where the worlds overlap enough to be in communication (rather than pure juxtaposition).
@ekuude6 ай бұрын
@@kriista well said!!!
@ekuude6 ай бұрын
Crazy you two never played together before! There were definitely sections that sounded nearly synchronous or even call/response
@kriista6 ай бұрын
Thanks! Even we hadn't played as a duet before, we'd known each other (and each other's music) for many years up to this point. So there was a fair amount of pre-game-ing involved here.
@G.Man-6 ай бұрын
⚠️ Super high pitched sound warning ⚠️ My ears are hurting now 🥴
@axgp_6 ай бұрын
mindblowing performance you two-jaw was on the floor after the first improvisation
@kriista6 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@ok.frasco6 ай бұрын
when i use concat match on ableton, nothing plays and i get an error "fluid.kdtree~: DataSet is smaller than k"
@kriista6 ай бұрын
Is that after loading a concat analysis file? It will generally complain until something is loaded.
@ok.frasco6 ай бұрын
Yes it is after I load a json
@ok.frasco6 ай бұрын
I'm loading the accordion json file
@kriista6 ай бұрын
Ah right, looks like I messed something up with the loading. Fixing it now. (out of curiosity does Corpus Match work ok for you?) @@ok.frasco
@ok.frasco6 ай бұрын
Yes corpus match works
@zeligsoundofficial7 ай бұрын
dope
@smuff737 ай бұрын
Nina!❤
@henrytlocke80957 ай бұрын
powerful ending inspiring work
@roman13rooms8 ай бұрын
I’m very impressed by his personality and his views of musical instrument design!
@mrtinacrispoti8 ай бұрын
The second part was great!
@kriista8 ай бұрын
Indeed. I think the talk part really primed the second one, coming in strong/fast and having a similarly tight ending.
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Thanks for the advice. Have a nice day.
I think this is how entish sounds...
super beautiful, thanks
i see the artist today in the role mainly of an editor... though of course it depends on what sort of granular level you are editing on. designing instruments means you have some sort of pre-conceived notion of a certain behavior you want to achieve. but at the end of the day, when we are talking about performing or sharing the work with someone else, we can choose the content of what we want the audience to experience, and also give hints or highlight or suggest a certain lens through which to understand or receive that content. what i mean is, in general, lots of people talk about agency and validation through being the specific origin of the content but at the end of the day what really matters is what connects to the audience. i love your conversation about these topics, very thought provoking!
That's definitely a big part of it, both in terms of what is "shared" with people (audience or otherwise) as well as what one decides to engage with. I imagine there's a lot of overlap with objects/implements in your practice where you can always do more with the same things, or make your own things, or variations of things, etc... The "focus" of that part of the art has an editorial aspect to it since it will inform everything else downstream from that.
Now I have also had the time to listen / watch it. Very interesting to talk and lovely performances. Thanks again!
Thanks for the kind words :)
waau thank you for this! :)
Psst. It says Dan Derks - electronics in the description :)
Good catch! Edited.
Wonderful, so great to hear the thinking behind it as well
Thanks! Yeah that's part of the core idea. This one was great as we end up covering so much ground in the talking bit.
I remember being on drummerworld forum around 2004-2005 and really liking Lawrence's music. Specifically a cover of blackbird!
Blast from the past.
I absolutely love this video. Well done by everyone involved
Thanks!
Cooooool!!!
COOL
This is hilarious! Love Dan. Animation is really great too!
Thanks! Was great to try something new on this one and it worked out really well.
Wow. The sheer depth of this project is just insane. So many different applications for this tech..
Thanks so much! Look forward to seeing what you come up with.
@@kriista My first idea is to train it on the MacBook surface through the built-in mic (tapping rhythms on the MacBook). Do you think it's precise enough to be able to use this way effectively?
@@MrReeTart Interesting. Hard to say because the macbook microphone goes through a *ton* of pre-processing and auto-gain adjustment that you won't be able to control in any way. I suspect it would work, but nowhere near as good as if you had a mic that had no auto-gain funny business at minimum.
This thing is like Nicky 6 although N6 used to have it, this is still the worst 😎
🙌
thank you for sharing this. was really inspiring to listen to you two chat.
Thanks! It was such a pleasure to be able to chat with Dan after so many years of known them.
waaaaau! 2 big heros! :)
Thank you :)
dan!!! ❤
Dan!!
This is gold!
Thanks!
Just what I needed. Perfect!
woah!
Very inspiring. Love Ray's candor and I'm happy to have discovered his music.
I love the way he speaks about things. Always a pleasure to chat with him.
🥰
christopher burns! :)
One and only!
Thank you for platforming Mio. I’ve quickly fallen in love with her work.
Thanks! Angie did a great job with this interview. There are also more standalone interviews (like this) coming out and planned in the future.
Thanks for the nice comment--and I agree. I find Mio's work very inspiring
Excellent! I particularly love what happens at 2:52.
The synth goes bananas then!
Hey Rodrigo this is really awesome! Just downloaded SP Tools and very excited to have a go at it. I've been trying to build something like The Living Looper but tailored more towards very animated-but still somewhat structured-electronic music. I can't code so I'm relying a lot on M4L, Bitwig's Grid, and lots of boolean logic to accomplish this. Your work has been hands down the most helpful resource I've discovered in my 2 years of trying to accomplish this build and I can't tell you enough how grateful I am! Also really love listening to the conversations on these Gib Gab sessions, keep em coming!
That's great to hear! Honestly, if you can make sense of stringing things together like that you may find coding (in Max at least) less difficult than you would think.
Fascinating performance and very interesting talk! I liked the second piece even better! Is that the first time you're using that controller thing, or were you using it in older videos already but i hadn't noticed?
I think the discussion informed some of the approach in the second half (obviously!) in a quite concrete way. I've used it on two others: Diogo Ferreira and Audrey Chen (both vocalists interestingly enough). At this point the patch itself is super old, so I want to revisit the approach with fresh ideas in order to use it more often, as when using it it feels quite restrictive (in ways we talk about (and demonstrate) here).
yes.
YES!
Another great video! Thank you! Have you considered setting up something different than Patreon? Like f.ex. Liberapay? Or directly on Stripe? Both would only have the payment processor take a cut and not Patreon as well. Seems like it would fit your stuff since you are not paywalling content anyways. I guess it is nice to be available on a plattform people know already, but I would consider adding one of these as well. Anyways you are a true inspiration Rodrigo! Thanks for all the inspiration you bring into this world!
That's a good shout. I think Angie has something set up like that for her comics (with ko-fi, so not exactly an open platform), but having some non-Patreon alternatives would be useful since, as you point out, nothing is behind a paywall there anyways, which is a big part of how people expect it to work. I have enjoyed moving to open platforms for things (e.g. Mastodon), but it's definitely heavy moving over everything. And glad you're enjoying the stuff :)
yes.
Yes!
51:12 Logistics Map I believe
Good to know.
lol at the book covers
Yeah, hehe. Angie did a fantastic job with this one :)
sometimes the right gag just presents itself ;)
you say that for all of them@@kriista (also thank you :)
Hello, really fascinating work, thx for all the effort! if i may ask i have an issue with the sp.corpuscreat does it only work for mono file? i also tried it for mono file and i have fluid.bufstats~: Invalid weights and fluid.dataset~: Invalid buffer any suggestion
Are you on the current version? (v0.9). It is perfectly fine with mono/stereo and any sample rate for analysis stuff.
oh ok, hadn't gotten to the part where you talk about the combs yet.. :)
I agree with the other comments, this sounds way too good for a first time collab! 🤩 can I ask you: is hat a regular comb you're using on the snare? and what kind of mic did you use? thx!
Thanks! So it is a regular comb, but I have to say that I went through a lot, a *lot* of comb testing and searching. I found the best combs (for this kind of stuff) are actually the really cheap kind you get from $/£ bargain bins. They have to feel cheap and plastic-y and have a "plink" sound when you tickle the tines. Those take rosin and make this sound very well. For the mic, it's an inexpensive lav mic which I've housed in a 3d printed thing to make it easier to hold. The exact one I have/use is a Naiant X-X microphone, mainly chosen cuz it was cheap and sounds decent enough.
@@kriista thanks a lot for the info! i hadn't finished watching just yet so hadn't heard what you said about the combs... very interesting! I'll look up the mic reference, i've been looking for a half-decent (and preferably cheap!) snare mic for while, I also like playing around with lots of "micro" sounds on the drums, but I feel like using a mic with some additional effects could definitely expand my sound palette!
Really dig this one! I like SP, but sometimes its hard to listen to for sustained periods of time without at least some sort of melody or pitch to contrast all the texture(and this session in particular had lots of great tones/sinusoids eg)
This was a particularly nice one musically, I think a large part because we were coming from quite difference places. Somehow it did find a place where the worlds overlap enough to be in communication (rather than pure juxtaposition).
@@kriista well said!!!
Crazy you two never played together before! There were definitely sections that sounded nearly synchronous or even call/response
Thanks! Even we hadn't played as a duet before, we'd known each other (and each other's music) for many years up to this point. So there was a fair amount of pre-game-ing involved here.
⚠️ Super high pitched sound warning ⚠️ My ears are hurting now 🥴
mindblowing performance you two-jaw was on the floor after the first improvisation
Thank you!
when i use concat match on ableton, nothing plays and i get an error "fluid.kdtree~: DataSet is smaller than k"
Is that after loading a concat analysis file? It will generally complain until something is loaded.
Yes it is after I load a json
I'm loading the accordion json file
Ah right, looks like I messed something up with the loading. Fixing it now. (out of curiosity does Corpus Match work ok for you?) @@ok.frasco
Yes corpus match works
dope
Nina!❤
powerful ending inspiring work
I’m very impressed by his personality and his views of musical instrument design!
The second part was great!
Indeed. I think the talk part really primed the second one, coming in strong/fast and having a similarly tight ending.
Great!
Thank you!
Absolutely amazing! Thank you!