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Can you stack these? If I bought two, could I combine them together?
Yes you could. I don’t know how much additional improvement there would be, but stack away! Great question!
I see you guys haven't uploaded in 7 months, are you planning on making more videos? I enjoy the laid back, normal straight talk and your Father/Son relationship. Please don't stop now, I just subscribed lol... Thanks for all you have made so far, definitely hope to see more!!!
We were just talking about that yesterday. Yes, we plan on more videos. A bit of transition as Logan graduated and started his career but things are stabilizing and we are planning on getting back to it. Thanks you for the encouragement and support! 🤙🏼
@@bowmanoutdoors Congratulations to Logan, I'm sure he will do well!
Yea it’s a known fact that pellets require a slower speed around 875 fps to 900’s those speeds with the Hades were to fast you guys probably recognize that by now Lol but those Zans and FX Hybrids are my go to in 25 cal
You got it and yes, one adjustment to slugs is the higher speeds. Dynamic physics are much more complex than I originally estimated. The FX Hybrid never dialed in for us but it could be an adjustment on our end. Just not as accurate. Thanks for the comment and support! 🙏🏻🤙🏼
Where do you buy it?
Most of our purchases have been from Utah Air. Great customer service and easy to deal with. Great question and thanks for your support. 🙏🏻🤙🏼
Long barel more groove... More velocity
And longer time under pressure in the barrel. 🤙🏼
That's what she said
Me personally don't care much for expansion accuracy is more important 👌
Agreed. We primarily shoot at targets so accuracy is much more “impact”ful. Thanks for your comment and support!
Those NSAs are wicked. Thanks, guys.
Thanks for watching and for your support. More to come!!!
Since you guys both have that rail under the bottle, it might be worth getting a mount to put your chronograph there instead of on the barrel. Then you could check accuracy at the same time since it won’t mess with barrel harmonics from it hanging there. Nice rifles, I think they’re both setup well. Makes me want to pick up an M3 and sell my old one.
Thanks for the compliments and support. You are correct. I’m actually thinking about upgrading chronographs to one that would not be mounted and would be for all our firearms. If we don’t upgrade, a mount is definitely needed. Thanks for the support and feedback.
I thumbed through a bunch of the questions but hadn't seen this asked - what were you using to take the sound readings?
is this kit only mean to use for 25 cal only? Can it be used on 30 cal?
There is a .22/.25 kit (we used it here) and a .30 cal version as well. Thanks for the question and support!
Caliber ?
.25. Sorry we failed to mention that in the video. Thanks for your question and support.
Great info, thanks
You are welcome. Thanks for the feedback and support.
Need to tell us what reg pressure and ammo, every setup will be different, im shooting 40gr slugs at 1040fps, the ronin really quiets it down, but thats a lot of power, interested to see if the yokazuma is better
Size always matters bigger the better just one of those laws😅
Of course size matters…. 😁 thanks for the support and comment!
"Do longer barrels matter?" Yes and no. It depends what you're trying to achieve. Longer barrels will generally net you more velocity at a lower pressure- i.e. more efficiency. Typically, you CAN get the same velocities with shorter barrels, but you'll be spending more air to do it (it'll also be louder). In both cases, there's limitations. There's a point of diminishing returns with barrel length- i.e. too long, and you're doing more harm than good. With short barrels, depending on the projectile you're trying to launch and the target velocity, you may not have enough barrel to get there. It's all a balancing act.
You are correct. A balancing act indeed. The longer barrel also leaves the slug in contact longer so movement is the shooter or system plays a larger role. I found out I’m less accurate with the longer barrel when I thought accuracy would be improved. Thanks for the comment and feedback
So its realy a waist of time is what your saying?
If you do the install expecting significant gains in performance you maybe disappointed. If you add it to other modifications or enjoy tinkering with things then the value is there. It’s inexpensive but moderately complex installation. I would do it again but not solely for performance gains. Thanks for your comment!
Charles Hornady said in one of his old loading manuals, if a Man could get a. 177 caliber pellet running 5,000 fps, you could drop an Elk with it, Great video thumbs up
I’d agree with that statement assuming a well placed shot, and clearly Mr. Hornady is much more knowledgeable and experienced than I. Thanks so much for the feedback and encouragement. Appreciate you!
Very nice video 😀
Thank you so much for the compliment and feedback. We really appreciate your support and encouragement.
Hi Guys, Really a great vid. Question... Is the Trident Airgun Moderator in the same class/field as the Shogun or Yokozuna? Very much appreciate you're out put here on the tube.
Thanks for your support and question. I’m not super familiar with the trident, so let me do some research and get back to you with an answer! Stay tuned and I’ll find out.
Podniecacie się tylko tym że coś jest ładne.W żeczywistości DFL to szajs.
Great content! You mentioned a chart of the results. Did I miss the link to that?
I forgot to include it in the video, and couldn’t figure out how to put them in the comments. I’m still learning this whole thing. I did post them on IG though. @bowman_outdoors_ga Thanks for the feedback and support! 🙏🏻
Longer Barrel always yeild higher velocities. Because the pellet is under pressure for a longer period of time. DER😊
Thanks for the comment and support. 🤙🏼
Nice video 😃
Thank you! And also for your support.
I've shot my Chronograph probably 15 times. But they all skimmed off the top and didn't do any damage, you are in no way the first to do that. It's a very easy thing to do because of the bore / scope plane discrepancy. I also wanted to mention the first shot you took at 958, and left it out as an outlier, is something you need to consider normal. When you shoot the air and plenum get really cold, so when the gun sits, that air gets back up to ambient temperature and obviously becomes more pressure. So, the cold regulated air left in your plenum, once warmed back up. is actually a higher pressure than it should be, and it becomes slightly harder for the valve to open. So the reason I say you should consider it normal, is because if you are hunting, it's the first shot that matters and so you need to figure out how to correct for this without taking a few dry fires. Maybe 2 clicks more hammer spring or something, but you get what I'm saying. You said you were thinking about lubing slugs, I lube all my ammo. I use a bowl with a cloth draped over it that is pretty saturated in super lube, food grade silicon, and poor the whole tin in and roll it around like you are panning for gold, keep the cloth sort of tight so to make it like a trampoline. This puts a very even coat of lube and gets off any of the lead dust or flakes.
Awesome feedback and comments. We appreciate your support and guidance! Good call on the first shot being the one that counts.
Again, only for hunting purposes, because you aren't going to scare a target away with a dry fire, but it almost makes sense to have a separate first shot Strelok profile based on an average of first shot velocities. At 140 yards, my first shot, when the gun has sat for a day or 2 or more, hits the ground 2 feet in front of my dropdown target. Thats never going to be a hit without figuring this issue out. This would get me in the ballpark of knowing what I need to do anyhow. It's literally the exact opposite of a cold bore shot since you are warmest on the first shot, and cooling down the more you shoot.@@bowmanoutdoors
This was complete waste of a video, the speed you gained is what you would gain by just simply rotating the barrel 180 degrees. Tune the guns now with the kit and see if you can get those 40 grain slugs over the 850fps mark now with the mods. It should be able to get those 40 grainers over 1100fps now
Sounds like you loved the video. 😂. We will try your suggestions, but I currently do not have issues with getting slugs fast enough. I just want to stay clear of the transonic zone to assist with ballistics and flight stability. I could try going much faster though and see if it helps. I currently have too many variables to get very consistent and precise results. Thanks for your feedback and comments
Use it on the dog. Dogs are awe Fil.
Haha. They aren’t nearly as bad as cats and I have 2 dogs, but those barking were not mine and were super annoying!
Guys look at your reg pressure! There is a huge different in pressure between your shots, give the plenum more time to fill between your shots😅
Good observation. It’s a learning process for sure. Thanks for the feedback
Great video great rifles , thanks 👍
Thank you for your feedback and support! Glad you liked it
Thanks for the comparisons. Definately get the first rfegulator on like 170 and that second regulator on 150 bar. Vlave dial on line 4 or close to it, and see what your speed is. Start at 1000fps, and turn in valve adjuster until your speed starts dropping. this setting is best for power as well as less air consumption.
Thank you for the tips and feedback! We appreciate your support also
It's not so much the overall volume, but with the Yokozuna it's a much more metallic and high pitched sound than with the others. Feels like the sound is much more compressed and less lenghtened and evenly distributed across the wave length. Probably because the fill is missing and the design being modular and not made from one piece of aluminium. I personally prefer my Emperor over the Yokozuna but would be interested to know if it would be possible to fill it with fiber to reduce (Or even get rid of) the high pitched noise it makes.
I don’t have great hearing so not the best reference, but I DO know one way to find out… curiosity and experimentation is right up my alley. Thanks for your feedback, comments and support.
@@bowmanoutdoors Pretty stoked if it makes it into one of your videos. Or if not, I would love to know how the testing went. Maybe I will get the Yokozuna if it works well and fill it in myself 👍
Logan is currently out of town, when he gets back we will discuss and think through some experimentation that tries various fill material/methods. If we do, you’ll certainly get a shout out in the video! It’s a fun thought for sure!
@@bowmanoutdoors That's awesome! Can't wait!🙂
@@bowmanoutdoorskeep me posted as well please as I was thinking of purchasing and using Kevlar pellets as a fill
I installed the slug power kit with my .25 cal 600mm. I got around 8-10 fps more. The advertised from fx was 50-80fps more in the .25 cal. That is all a lie. You will not get 50-80 fps increase. Fx needs to change their advertised to 10 fps increase so folks can decide if they want to spend $40 on 10fps increase.
Oh my Goodness! I laughed SO HARD when you said, "That's an interesting shape that you drew!" Great shooting Guys!!!!!!!!!😃😃😃 I literally had tears laughing so hard when you shot the chronograph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I appreciate you sharing and am glad you enjoyed it. Having fun and enjoying this sport is a big part of the objective! Thanks for the feedback and support! 🤣😂
Everyone talk big on the slug power kit. So i purchased one and installed in my inpact. Without changing any setting and just installing the slug power kit, i gain like 5 fps more. That is nothing. Guys dont fall for this crap slug power kit, it does nothing and waste of money and false advertising by fx fan boys.
We didn’t see much improvement either until we started having to mod other things as well. Definitely not much bang for the buck on that one unless it is combined with other items which is just more “buck”. 😀
@bowmanoutdoors if added with other mods I can see a big benefit. But just installing the slug power kit won't get you the 50-80fps extra as advertised. More like 5-10 fps max. Ted also experienced the same. He said folks who claim they got 50fps plus are probably not lining up the transfer port correctly to get the full power. If you line your pellet prob port correctly with the transfer port, you should get close to what the pin prob (power kit).
The rubber ball shuts your valve faster, not leaving it open longer. The slug power kit also comes with a weaker hammer return spring with that rubber ball, which it doesnt do much anymore, so leave the rubber ball in there to dampen the hammer rod.
Great information and thank you for the feedback and support!!!
I got 23 fps faster with my 25 cal. 150 bar. So I can use the lowest hammer setting to get what I was getting at the highest hammer setting. I also used the Huma v2 transfer port to get that 23 fps faster. I will use less air, less fill ups and be able to use heavier slugs now. So worth it to myself.
Awesome feedback and results! Thank you for sharing
I only seen a 17 fps difference or did i miss something? 700mm=980fps 800mm=997fps
That’s about right. Adjusting the time would result in better results but the goal was to eliminate variables to see the impact of only the barrel. It also cost me some accuracy at the range I typically shoot so I wouldn’t make the purchase next time for me personally. In this case I already made the purchase so….. 700mm is my preference 🤙🏼
My dad has the challenger .357 standard long (little AEA nine ) anyways, He don't have the barrel shroud and we need to know the thread size on this gun. Can't find that info anywhere. I wanna buy this thing for him for xmas. Anyone know>?
Great question but I don’t have the answer for you. Thank you for the question and support!
I was told either 14 x 1 or 14 x 1.25
dB is a logarithmic unit of measure, 1 dB lower is equivalent to 3 times quieter, so 1 dB might look like a small improvement but it is a significant improvement in loudness
If there is anything I learned from this it’s that I know very little about how sound works other than there was a significant improvement when using the DonnyFL moderators. They did the trick as I am sure other manufacturers do as well. Thanks for the guidance and feedback!
Very bad video; too much foolish silly; too little clear, presentation
Probably shouldn’t watch our other ones then. We probably aren’t the style you prefer. We are going to continue having fun, sarcasm, and silliness in our videos. Thanks for the feedback though
Are those items considered illegal to own, every thing I read say they are? I’m just wondering cause I want to order one for my Fx Maverick
Currently in Georgia, and also in Texas they are not illegal. Technically they are not installed on a firearm as there isn’t currently legislation for air rifles specifically. If you install the moderator on anything other than an air rifle, you would be violating several regulations. I would suggest looking into your local (state) laws if you have concerns. Great question and thanks for your feedback/support.
On a similar note, we once had someone report us to the sheriff while shooting in our backyard. (Within an HOA). Sheriff arrived, inspected things, then spent the next 45 minutes shooting with us. We had a lot of fun and some great conversation.
@@bowmanoutdoors thank you for your time, I’ll look into my laws and see what they say
Longer barrels matter to me!!! Heck, I will always want a Quigley down under barrel ! 💯
Haha. Gotta love that Sharps… wouldn’t mind having one of those either!
Every 3 db is 100% increase in loudness. I.e 104 to 87 is 560% reduction that's huge
Oh man, then my calculations of a 20% reduction going from 79db to 64db is much greater than the 21% I thought! Thanks for the feedback (and support)
Does size matter, then,do longer barrels matter😂
Regardless what anyone says about “it’s what you do with it” size always has an impact on performance in some way. 😂 Thanks for the laugh and for your feedback and support!!!
@@bowmanoutdoors 😄👍
You're decibel meter is all kinds of jacked up. No way in hell a shot that's shot 10 rounds later can be 20db louder.
I’m not sure what you are referring to, but I posted the results on our IG account to be transparent with all the data. I didn’t see results matching what you stated of an increase in 20 db. Thanks for the feedback and comment. 🤙🏻
Good review One of the best "Slugs" pellets are the ZAN projectiles!. Extremely precise!! Tested against h&n slug. The ZAN projectiles were much more consistent and had tighter impacts!. On the other hand, concerning the jsb hades, they have a more significant mushroom effect on the small caliber .177 (with 18fpe minimum!) Weird!. . How many % do you use your ballistic gel? I like to make it at 16-17%, I don't know if you have the knorr brand (knorr texture gélatine) at home? It has a superb transparent texture. I often put 560 grams for 3.5 liters of demineralized water with 20ml of cinnamon oil to prevent the proliferation of bacteria.
Thanks for the feedback. I finally got my hands on some ZAN slugs and will be testing them for accuracy to see how they compare. I’m expecting great results! I was surprised at the expansion as well! It could be possible that they work better at a lower velocity (fpe) based on their design. Makes me curious…. Which inspires more testing…. 🤣🤣
so how many DB was the Unsilenced shot .. It realy sounded loud.
80 db and it was too loud for us to feel comfortable shooting in the back yard. Posted the data tables on our IG. @bowman_outdoors_ga Thanks for the question and support!
This yokozuna's internal design is not great for 60ft-lb and up. it will be loud at higher energy. the design is like for firearms. I still prefer the silencer/moderator with fiber fill.
Fiber fill (Donny FL in our experience) work quite well. After thousands of rounds fired, it does gain weight eventually, but not a big deal. I especially like the modularity and quick connect of the Yokozuna in this case but also agree with you. Thanks for the feedback and support.
Wouldn't it be possible to fill these modulars with fiber?
Looks 🔥
Thank you for the support and comment!
Where are the results?
We forgot to put them into the video. I’ll post on IG as I haven’t figured out how to add the photos within KZread. About a day after dropping the video I realized it and it has been bugging me since. 😂