--ONE pull- it's running... Yep, that's a Honda...
@TheIndependentTinker2 күн бұрын
Always nice to have reliable equipment!
@gunterbecker85285 күн бұрын
Wish I had òne !
@TheIndependentTinker4 күн бұрын
It's a great product, and fills a niche.
@chrisdesaye34846 күн бұрын
Were these all carburetor saws or Mtronic? Maybe the 500i mtronics have something to do with it.
@TheIndependentTinker6 күн бұрын
The 500i is computer controlled fuel injection. The only M-tronic saws in the test were the 362C and 400C. Interestingly the most fuel efficient saw in this test was carbureted.
@zacharybennett32493 күн бұрын
They're all carbureted execept for the 500i,,, emphasis on the (i); the M-tronic saws (or Auto-tune from Husky) have a microprocessor that adjust the carburetor without human intervention.
@chrisdesaye34843 күн бұрын
@@zacharybennett3249 obviously I meant mtronic or non-mtronic I just couldn’t think of how to properly say that at the time haha
@johnarnold36967 күн бұрын
With a 660 and a 500i I use a 25" and or a 28". When falling a tree the 28" works well and even cutting up the log. With large felling dogs 32" may even be better. Sometimes use the 28" on a 38 super. I see no disadvantage to the longer bar and chain
@TheIndependentTinker6 күн бұрын
Sounds like you have a good system. I ran a 32" bar on the 500i and I was very happy with how it cut. The 661 I use as a dedicated milling saw. I may put the 32" on the 462.
@timberslasher489910 күн бұрын
462c is okay. But I hate my 500i. In my opinion, and I used to be a big-time Stihl guy, they fell behind Husky when the 441 came out and they have never caught back up. Although I will say the 462c cuts about the same as a 572xp, but is nowhere near as durable. And I have tortured them all for 30 years. Ported and stock..
@TheIndependentTinker9 күн бұрын
Glad you're happy with Husky, I'm not trying to convert anyone on saws, just oils. Just curious, what do you hate about the 500i?
@timberslasher48996 күн бұрын
@TheIndependentTinker Hard starts, no more power than 462c or 572xp but much more weight, lazy and 4-strokish. This one is my second, and they both were the same. My 592xp is way stronger but weighs a tad more. I have 044 mags and 372s that are much stronger, but they are ported, of course. But I have video on here of a couple hundred dollars stock 395 Holzforma whipping up on my first fifteen hundred dollar 500i. I am a little bitter at Stihl, I must say over the path they took when they went to the saws ending in 1, and their ridiculous prices too. I once was a firm Stihl guy. Also, I think all their pro saws are made in South America now, but not 100% sure of that.
@TheIndependentTinker5 күн бұрын
I'm glad that there is competition in the chainsaw market. That should cause the manufacturers to make a better product. In my opinion Stihl may be setting themselves up for some great saws in the future, but we will have to wait and see. All my Stihl Pro saws have "Made in Germany" on them, except the 261 which is made in Virginia Beach. Thanks for sharing!
@timberslasher48995 күн бұрын
@TheIndependentTinker im not sure what the deal on them being made in Brazil is, but when there was such a shortage of saws during the flu season of 2020, 21 and a good while after, the Stihl dealer I have used for years told me that they were making them in Brazil now, and thats why they couldn't hardly get them, because South America was almost shut completely down. Maybe it was just parts being made there, Idk. There is an abundance of the minerals used to make the crankcase alloy down there. I know that 395 Huskies say made in Brazil now. Another thing that irritated me about Stihl is when they went away from 440, 460, 660, etc. it was because new epa regulations required chainsaw manufacturers to make either their commercial line, or their homeowners line meet all 100% of small engine emissions standards. Husqvarna chose to trash their homeowners line while Stihl trashed the commercial line. I guess to the average joe that matters not, but as a years long daily user of Stihl saws I didn't like that at all. And I know that for a fact, because the Mid Atlantic Stihl safety rep was at the dealer one day when I was there, and he stated that. He didn't like it much either. Bottom line is they are both mega corporations, and we are just a number to them. So we just pick whichever evil we prefer I guess.
@TheIndependentTinker5 күн бұрын
Thanks for the info, that is quite a lot you shared with us! I would guess it is the parts being made in Brazil. I've heard that the Husky 395 production has ended, I don't know if that's true. I did wonder if it was EPA and Euro regulations that has made long term users upset. Like most government emissions regulations, the manufacturers have a difficult time meeting them. Eventually they figure out how to meet them and bring back the power and reliability. I'm not condoning government emissions regs, just making a comment on them. With the 500i, I've heard hard starts usually come from not letting the saw idle before shutting it down. I've always let it idle a few seconds before shutting it off, and I've never experienced a hard start with the 500i.
@lusyaaj213710 күн бұрын
Is there anything that has degraded organs that I can work for?
@TheIndependentTinker9 күн бұрын
I'm sorry, I don't think that sentence conveys your original intent.
@kraftzion10 күн бұрын
Johns custom saws here on you tube is a stihl porter. On one of his videos were he was discussing the different models he said the 661 is the least optimized of the stihl line. They left plenty of room for improvement. On the flip side I have heard him say that he would never recommend milling with a ported saw. So maybe they designed the 661 to be more reliable in that application.
@TheIndependentTinker10 күн бұрын
I have really enjoyed Johns videos, unfortunately he has not posted in a year. He said he was sick, and I hope he is recovering and will be able to post again. If not, he is greatly missed!
@ishure884913 күн бұрын
G'day, The MS661 has the most time on it you said and the carby has never been touched. If I were you I'd take it into your Stihl dealer and get them to reset the high jet, as they wear in that goes down, then do another test.
@TheIndependentTinker13 күн бұрын
Thanks for the knowledge, that may become another test. With the 28" bar on the poplar log the 661 was just behind the 462, if the trend continues the 661 would be faster than the small saws with a longer bar cutting near full bar length. If I notice the 661 power is falling off I will definitely check into that. This comparison test is teaching me quite a bit. Thanks again!
@ishure884912 күн бұрын
No worries IVe set them by ear on the job to get finished then had them set by Stihl and I'm usually about 50/100 rpm out .
@ChrisCrazy11714 күн бұрын
It doesn’t matter what the oil is at it’s the ethanol that burns the motor out trust me as a mechanic for 25 years u should run only red armor ethanol free 2 cycle or true fuel 👍 other than else u killing your chainsaws
@TheIndependentTinker14 күн бұрын
E10 (10% ethanol) gas from the pump, has not yet killed my equipment. This is only anecdotal, so I referenced my Stihl MS 400 C-M Instruction Manual. Stihl does not call it an owners manual. "This engine is certified to operate on mid-grade unleaded gasoline with a minimum octane rating of 89 and no more than 10 % ethanol and 2-cycle oil for air cooled engines at a mix ratio of 50:1." I have not worked on the engines you have worked on so I can only make a general suggestion. 1) Is the ethanol content greater than 10 %? 2) Is the minimum octane rating 89? 3) Is the 2-stroke oil for air cooled engines? 4) Is the mix ratio 50:1? I do run mine at 100:1 so Stihl would deny a warranty claim, though I am past the warranty period. Perhaps it is the ethanol that is killing 2-stroke engines, but we need to make sure we meet all the requirements of the manufacturer before we single out one factor.
@ChrisCrazy11714 күн бұрын
@@TheIndependentTinker 👍
@TheIndependentTinker9 күн бұрын
I'm always learning, thanks for making us aware of ethanol hurting saw engines. In my studies with Amsoil I am made aware that if ethanol is in the fuel, there must be a richer air fuel mixture. If not, the engine can run too hot and be damaged. In the U.S. ethanol was mandated in 2007. A factory saw made after that should be rich enough for 10 % ethanol. If it's an older saw the mixture may need to be made richer for E10.
@ChrisCrazy1179 күн бұрын
I just bought that amsoil Myself and now we have ethanol free pump fuel and I love it
@ChrisCrazy1179 күн бұрын
The only mixture to gas I’ll allow in my shop thank u for this brother and godbless u 👍
@sirvozelo114 күн бұрын
Best Stihl saw, attending at is class is the 161T. I have the MSA300, MAS220C and 161T.
@TheIndependentTinker14 күн бұрын
That's a very unique group of saws.
@LogOXUSA16 күн бұрын
Thanks for stopping by and learning more about our new log splitter. We look forward to rolling it out this summer!
@TheIndependentTinker16 күн бұрын
Thanks for demonstrating it for us, we hope LogOX has much success with it!
@bigbrothertreefalling29535 күн бұрын
How much is it
@stevecraig30042 күн бұрын
You are the embodiment of American innovation. Best of luck and keep up the good work!
@gunterbecker852816 күн бұрын
I'm thinking of buying a Sthil 400M ,what do you think of that magnesium piston "how durable is it" Sthil is opting away from it in their new models ! I wonder why? Don't know why but my like button is out of action !
@TheIndependentTinker16 күн бұрын
Per Stihl website the 400 is the first chainsaw to have a magnesium piston installed as standard from the factory. I don’t think Stihl is going away from it, I think they are being smart and only putting it in one saw. Depending on how it does, I expect more models to get a magnesium piston. My brother and I each have a 400 and have experienced zero issues. I run my equipment at 100:1 with Amsoil Saber Professional and the magnesium piston hasn’t given me a problem. A Stihl field rep told me the white coating from the factory will eventually turn dark and even black. This is normal, so don’t be concerned if you hear of a magnesium piston going from white to dark.
@jud409618 күн бұрын
It looks pretty good for smaller wood. I like the deck/table on top so I wouldn't have to fight with splits falling to the ground that need split again. Bigger rounds would be a problem since there isn't a lifter and I am not sure if the deck could support the weight. Also the gas fill, that is kinda rough... They need to have a port on the side to fill it. I do have their LogOX multi tool and it is a game changer :) Thanks for covering this event and all your hard work in your other videos!
@TheIndependentTinker18 күн бұрын
Thank you for watching our videos, makes all the hard work worth it! That is one thing this splitter does not have, a log lift. If one felt like building a ramp/steps to roll the bigger pieces up to it, that may work. I would use our mini loader to place the big rounds. We'll have to wait and see what the deck is rated for. I really like that the pusher block is over the cylinder, which shortens the splitters footprint. The easiest way to fill the gas would probably be to use a gas can with a pump, or we will see if LogOX comes out with a filler neck and hose like a car.
@davidfenton391019 күн бұрын
Hi and thanks for sharing - appreciated. 6 mins in. I put the times into a spreadsheet and they form a fairly smooth line - the more powerful saws being progressively quicker ... except for the 500 and 661. This indicates some other variable(s) threw out those results. The 462 result fits the pattern from the 3 smaller saws before it so it seems to be a sweet spot of time and fuel efficiency in such use. After viewing it all Thanks for further testing to try and sort out anomalies and doing a more demanding test on the big saws with comparison to 462. Cheers sincerely d
@TheIndependentTinker19 күн бұрын
I love that you put it in a spreadsheet! Please keep watching this video or skip to the poplar log cut. I put a 28" bar and chain on the 462, 500, and 661. The "sweet" spot changed saws!
@davidfenton391019 күн бұрын
Hi@@TheIndependentTinker Yeah, kept watching. The 500i performed better in bigger wood than the 462. Liked your discussion about big saw for bigger diameter wood - suit the tool to the task which we can only do best when we know enough. So thanks again for sharing. Cheers sincerely d
@TheIndependentTinker19 күн бұрын
Well put! I enjoyed making the videos. Cheers
@TheAcenightcreeper19 күн бұрын
The bottom line in my opinion are chainsaws are not meant to mill wood….buy a legit wood mill… These saws are for felling and bucking…and they are going to behave entirely different in doing that job than what youve shown here. Alaskan mills are incredibly inefficient and youre burning up your equipment milling a few logs…i would never buy a used milling saw, ever… I run a 661 and 500i on big eastern hardwoods, they cut through like butter, my everyday saw is an old 461. This test also has to do most with 1) brand new chains 2) if not new, were they identically sharpened?
@TheIndependentTinker19 күн бұрын
I agree, the best option is to buy a bandsaw sawmill. I can't afford one of those at this time, so I use chainsaws. Chainsaw milling does have a place for some people, which is why the Alaskan sawmill was invented. One doesn't need extremely heavy equipment to move a large log to a sawmill, it can be cut in place on the ground. After making these videos and looking at the results, I wonder if the saws behave differently. Perhaps this is for another series of videos: Does it matter if the saw is bucking or milling, as long as it has the correct chain for the job? Is the length of the bar matched to the correct powerhead and chain more important than the type of sawing being done? Information about the chains and sharpening is in the videos. Thanks for the comments, it may lead to new tests.
@TheAcenightcreeper19 күн бұрын
The 460 series of stihl saws are legendary, more guys i know keep their 461-2’s and use them more than 500i..i own both and think they each have their place in felling.
@TheIndependentTinker19 күн бұрын
I am very impressed with the 462. I look forward to using it more.
@jureslegel387719 күн бұрын
for your question how big tree diameter for wich saw. My opinion is saw CC=maximum bar leinght for full comp chains. Here in europe you cannot buy full skip chain. And here trees are not that big 28inch tree is a big tree in europe. And here people using lets say 500i have maximum 20inch bars felling up to let say 50inch trees at ground level where tree roots are. felling trees cutting at ground level into roots is a whole different game than cutting high stumps or bucking logs, cutting branches or milling so finding optimal saw for your need is a must.
@TheIndependentTinker19 күн бұрын
Thank you for that perspective. Do you mean engine CC = maximum bar length in centimeters? That does seem to be a good approximation. I love using the 881 to flush large diameter stumps at ground level. Anytime the grain pattern is not parallel, it is harder to cut through. Hopefully this video series helps a person pick the right saw for their application.
@gunterbecker852820 күн бұрын
Interesting results, thanks for sharing ! I'm thinking getting a Stihl 400 , will that saw be able to oil a 25' bar sufficiently??? There r a lot of conflicting opinions on KZread! Kindly let me know what you think, Gunter
@TheIndependentTinker20 күн бұрын
My pleasure, thank you for watching!
@TheAcenightcreeper19 күн бұрын
No way, it will not be able to oil a 25’ bar
@TheIndependentTinker19 күн бұрын
I have a 400 and run a Cannon 24" bar and my brother has a Stihl 25" bar on his 400. Not sure if it's because we run Amsoil Semi-Synthetic bar and chain oil, but our 400s oil a 25" bar and chain just fine. Make sure you turn up the oil feed amount on the bottom of the saw. FYI the Cannon and Stihl bars use the same number drive links on the chain, so they are the same length.
@user-oo7bi1ov3n15 күн бұрын
I run a 25in bar on my 400 and it works fine. I tried a 28in bar and it will not oil it enough. I run a 28in on my 462 and it works great.
@TheIndependentTinker15 күн бұрын
Stihl recommends 16-25" bar on the 400. Obviously, turn the oiler all the way up if you wish to run a 25" bar.
@ofrddriftr25 күн бұрын
Just subscribed, you need more subscribers for what you are putting out, glad I stumbled across your channel.
@TheIndependentTinker24 күн бұрын
Thank you very much!
@benjaminleslie315526 күн бұрын
Also does amsoil have a nice smell when running your saws?
@TheIndependentTinker26 күн бұрын
Most of the pleasant smelling Amsoil products are the spray on types. Such as: Glass Cleaner, Mudslinger, and High-Foam Car Shampoo. As long as it is mixed between 80:1 to 100:1 there is a distinct lack of smell to me. I only notice 2-stroke oil smell if it is cold out and the engine is cold, on startup. At the end of a day of cutting I can smell 2-stroke oil on my clothes, but it is much less intense than other brands.
@viperstrike382717 күн бұрын
I run Amsoil Saber 50:1 in my blower, weedeater and my saws. It does have a sweeter smell than other oils that I have run.
@TheIndependentTinker17 күн бұрын
Thank you for sharing that!
@jamesdepalma634114 күн бұрын
I always liked the smell of Amsoil Interceptor but Saber smells ok too when I get a wiff once in a while during operation, I mix 44:1 and 40:1 for milling.
@TheIndependentTinker10 күн бұрын
I'm glad Amsoil Interceptor is protecting your saws, but it is meant mainly for snowmobiles. Per Stihl manual an oil meant for air cooled engines should be used, which is what Saber Professional is designed for.
@benjaminleslie315526 күн бұрын
Stihl saws I'd love to have are the 036/360, 038, 044/440, 361, and 461. Then all the current strato saws.
@TheIndependentTinker26 күн бұрын
Great lineup, my father-in-law has used the 440 for his business for about 15 years. All good saws!
@tundranomad19 күн бұрын
I have the 361 and 461 here in Alaska. I've run my 361 for around 15 years and it's my go-to. 461 is 8 years old and I only use it for big logs.
@TheIndependentTinker16 күн бұрын
Good to hear they are serving you well!
@johnm8891Ай бұрын
462 for the win! I have a 261, a 400 and a 462 and the 462c is hands down my favorite
@TheIndependentTinkerАй бұрын
Thanks for watching John. The 462 is my newest saw and quickly climbing towards the top of my favorites. Make sure to watch part 2, we will compare fuel efficiency!
@keparti6621 күн бұрын
I own 261 036 and 064 love the old ones but 261 is very light and comfortable.
@TheIndependentTinker21 күн бұрын
That is what I appreciate most in the 261, how light it is. Makes a downed tree easy to limb.
@EastonmadeWoodSplitters2 ай бұрын
Had a great visit. Thanks for stopping by
@TheIndependentTinker2 ай бұрын
The pleasure was ours, Eastonmade is a great host.
@EastonmadeWoodSplitters2 ай бұрын
Looks great james. Great to meet you today
@TheIndependentTinker2 ай бұрын
It was great meeting the Eastonmade team today! Thank you for taking the time to share stories and demonstrate some splitters and processors. We hope to post a video of that soon.
@KAMP85052 ай бұрын
Those caps leak regardless. They don’t get tight enough to seal very well, especially after the “new” has wore off
@TheIndependentTinker2 ай бұрын
I wipe the sawdust out of the lip of the tanks with my finger before putting the cap back in so the O-ring has a clean surface to seal against. My oldest saw started leaking when it was about fifteen years old, granted I didn’t use that saw as much as I use them now. We’ll see when this new saw starts leaking.
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--ONE pull- it's running... Yep, that's a Honda...
Always nice to have reliable equipment!
Wish I had òne !
It's a great product, and fills a niche.
Were these all carburetor saws or Mtronic? Maybe the 500i mtronics have something to do with it.
The 500i is computer controlled fuel injection. The only M-tronic saws in the test were the 362C and 400C. Interestingly the most fuel efficient saw in this test was carbureted.
They're all carbureted execept for the 500i,,, emphasis on the (i); the M-tronic saws (or Auto-tune from Husky) have a microprocessor that adjust the carburetor without human intervention.
@@zacharybennett3249 obviously I meant mtronic or non-mtronic I just couldn’t think of how to properly say that at the time haha
With a 660 and a 500i I use a 25" and or a 28". When falling a tree the 28" works well and even cutting up the log. With large felling dogs 32" may even be better. Sometimes use the 28" on a 38 super. I see no disadvantage to the longer bar and chain
Sounds like you have a good system. I ran a 32" bar on the 500i and I was very happy with how it cut. The 661 I use as a dedicated milling saw. I may put the 32" on the 462.
462c is okay. But I hate my 500i. In my opinion, and I used to be a big-time Stihl guy, they fell behind Husky when the 441 came out and they have never caught back up. Although I will say the 462c cuts about the same as a 572xp, but is nowhere near as durable. And I have tortured them all for 30 years. Ported and stock..
Glad you're happy with Husky, I'm not trying to convert anyone on saws, just oils. Just curious, what do you hate about the 500i?
@TheIndependentTinker Hard starts, no more power than 462c or 572xp but much more weight, lazy and 4-strokish. This one is my second, and they both were the same. My 592xp is way stronger but weighs a tad more. I have 044 mags and 372s that are much stronger, but they are ported, of course. But I have video on here of a couple hundred dollars stock 395 Holzforma whipping up on my first fifteen hundred dollar 500i. I am a little bitter at Stihl, I must say over the path they took when they went to the saws ending in 1, and their ridiculous prices too. I once was a firm Stihl guy. Also, I think all their pro saws are made in South America now, but not 100% sure of that.
I'm glad that there is competition in the chainsaw market. That should cause the manufacturers to make a better product. In my opinion Stihl may be setting themselves up for some great saws in the future, but we will have to wait and see. All my Stihl Pro saws have "Made in Germany" on them, except the 261 which is made in Virginia Beach. Thanks for sharing!
@TheIndependentTinker im not sure what the deal on them being made in Brazil is, but when there was such a shortage of saws during the flu season of 2020, 21 and a good while after, the Stihl dealer I have used for years told me that they were making them in Brazil now, and thats why they couldn't hardly get them, because South America was almost shut completely down. Maybe it was just parts being made there, Idk. There is an abundance of the minerals used to make the crankcase alloy down there. I know that 395 Huskies say made in Brazil now. Another thing that irritated me about Stihl is when they went away from 440, 460, 660, etc. it was because new epa regulations required chainsaw manufacturers to make either their commercial line, or their homeowners line meet all 100% of small engine emissions standards. Husqvarna chose to trash their homeowners line while Stihl trashed the commercial line. I guess to the average joe that matters not, but as a years long daily user of Stihl saws I didn't like that at all. And I know that for a fact, because the Mid Atlantic Stihl safety rep was at the dealer one day when I was there, and he stated that. He didn't like it much either. Bottom line is they are both mega corporations, and we are just a number to them. So we just pick whichever evil we prefer I guess.
Thanks for the info, that is quite a lot you shared with us! I would guess it is the parts being made in Brazil. I've heard that the Husky 395 production has ended, I don't know if that's true. I did wonder if it was EPA and Euro regulations that has made long term users upset. Like most government emissions regulations, the manufacturers have a difficult time meeting them. Eventually they figure out how to meet them and bring back the power and reliability. I'm not condoning government emissions regs, just making a comment on them. With the 500i, I've heard hard starts usually come from not letting the saw idle before shutting it down. I've always let it idle a few seconds before shutting it off, and I've never experienced a hard start with the 500i.
Is there anything that has degraded organs that I can work for?
I'm sorry, I don't think that sentence conveys your original intent.
Johns custom saws here on you tube is a stihl porter. On one of his videos were he was discussing the different models he said the 661 is the least optimized of the stihl line. They left plenty of room for improvement. On the flip side I have heard him say that he would never recommend milling with a ported saw. So maybe they designed the 661 to be more reliable in that application.
I have really enjoyed Johns videos, unfortunately he has not posted in a year. He said he was sick, and I hope he is recovering and will be able to post again. If not, he is greatly missed!
G'day, The MS661 has the most time on it you said and the carby has never been touched. If I were you I'd take it into your Stihl dealer and get them to reset the high jet, as they wear in that goes down, then do another test.
Thanks for the knowledge, that may become another test. With the 28" bar on the poplar log the 661 was just behind the 462, if the trend continues the 661 would be faster than the small saws with a longer bar cutting near full bar length. If I notice the 661 power is falling off I will definitely check into that. This comparison test is teaching me quite a bit. Thanks again!
No worries IVe set them by ear on the job to get finished then had them set by Stihl and I'm usually about 50/100 rpm out .
It doesn’t matter what the oil is at it’s the ethanol that burns the motor out trust me as a mechanic for 25 years u should run only red armor ethanol free 2 cycle or true fuel 👍 other than else u killing your chainsaws
E10 (10% ethanol) gas from the pump, has not yet killed my equipment. This is only anecdotal, so I referenced my Stihl MS 400 C-M Instruction Manual. Stihl does not call it an owners manual. "This engine is certified to operate on mid-grade unleaded gasoline with a minimum octane rating of 89 and no more than 10 % ethanol and 2-cycle oil for air cooled engines at a mix ratio of 50:1." I have not worked on the engines you have worked on so I can only make a general suggestion. 1) Is the ethanol content greater than 10 %? 2) Is the minimum octane rating 89? 3) Is the 2-stroke oil for air cooled engines? 4) Is the mix ratio 50:1? I do run mine at 100:1 so Stihl would deny a warranty claim, though I am past the warranty period. Perhaps it is the ethanol that is killing 2-stroke engines, but we need to make sure we meet all the requirements of the manufacturer before we single out one factor.
@@TheIndependentTinker 👍
I'm always learning, thanks for making us aware of ethanol hurting saw engines. In my studies with Amsoil I am made aware that if ethanol is in the fuel, there must be a richer air fuel mixture. If not, the engine can run too hot and be damaged. In the U.S. ethanol was mandated in 2007. A factory saw made after that should be rich enough for 10 % ethanol. If it's an older saw the mixture may need to be made richer for E10.
I just bought that amsoil Myself and now we have ethanol free pump fuel and I love it
The only mixture to gas I’ll allow in my shop thank u for this brother and godbless u 👍
Best Stihl saw, attending at is class is the 161T. I have the MSA300, MAS220C and 161T.
That's a very unique group of saws.
Thanks for stopping by and learning more about our new log splitter. We look forward to rolling it out this summer!
Thanks for demonstrating it for us, we hope LogOX has much success with it!
How much is it
You are the embodiment of American innovation. Best of luck and keep up the good work!
I'm thinking of buying a Sthil 400M ,what do you think of that magnesium piston "how durable is it" Sthil is opting away from it in their new models ! I wonder why? Don't know why but my like button is out of action !
Per Stihl website the 400 is the first chainsaw to have a magnesium piston installed as standard from the factory. I don’t think Stihl is going away from it, I think they are being smart and only putting it in one saw. Depending on how it does, I expect more models to get a magnesium piston. My brother and I each have a 400 and have experienced zero issues. I run my equipment at 100:1 with Amsoil Saber Professional and the magnesium piston hasn’t given me a problem. A Stihl field rep told me the white coating from the factory will eventually turn dark and even black. This is normal, so don’t be concerned if you hear of a magnesium piston going from white to dark.
It looks pretty good for smaller wood. I like the deck/table on top so I wouldn't have to fight with splits falling to the ground that need split again. Bigger rounds would be a problem since there isn't a lifter and I am not sure if the deck could support the weight. Also the gas fill, that is kinda rough... They need to have a port on the side to fill it. I do have their LogOX multi tool and it is a game changer :) Thanks for covering this event and all your hard work in your other videos!
Thank you for watching our videos, makes all the hard work worth it! That is one thing this splitter does not have, a log lift. If one felt like building a ramp/steps to roll the bigger pieces up to it, that may work. I would use our mini loader to place the big rounds. We'll have to wait and see what the deck is rated for. I really like that the pusher block is over the cylinder, which shortens the splitters footprint. The easiest way to fill the gas would probably be to use a gas can with a pump, or we will see if LogOX comes out with a filler neck and hose like a car.
Hi and thanks for sharing - appreciated. 6 mins in. I put the times into a spreadsheet and they form a fairly smooth line - the more powerful saws being progressively quicker ... except for the 500 and 661. This indicates some other variable(s) threw out those results. The 462 result fits the pattern from the 3 smaller saws before it so it seems to be a sweet spot of time and fuel efficiency in such use. After viewing it all Thanks for further testing to try and sort out anomalies and doing a more demanding test on the big saws with comparison to 462. Cheers sincerely d
I love that you put it in a spreadsheet! Please keep watching this video or skip to the poplar log cut. I put a 28" bar and chain on the 462, 500, and 661. The "sweet" spot changed saws!
Hi@@TheIndependentTinker Yeah, kept watching. The 500i performed better in bigger wood than the 462. Liked your discussion about big saw for bigger diameter wood - suit the tool to the task which we can only do best when we know enough. So thanks again for sharing. Cheers sincerely d
Well put! I enjoyed making the videos. Cheers
The bottom line in my opinion are chainsaws are not meant to mill wood….buy a legit wood mill… These saws are for felling and bucking…and they are going to behave entirely different in doing that job than what youve shown here. Alaskan mills are incredibly inefficient and youre burning up your equipment milling a few logs…i would never buy a used milling saw, ever… I run a 661 and 500i on big eastern hardwoods, they cut through like butter, my everyday saw is an old 461. This test also has to do most with 1) brand new chains 2) if not new, were they identically sharpened?
I agree, the best option is to buy a bandsaw sawmill. I can't afford one of those at this time, so I use chainsaws. Chainsaw milling does have a place for some people, which is why the Alaskan sawmill was invented. One doesn't need extremely heavy equipment to move a large log to a sawmill, it can be cut in place on the ground. After making these videos and looking at the results, I wonder if the saws behave differently. Perhaps this is for another series of videos: Does it matter if the saw is bucking or milling, as long as it has the correct chain for the job? Is the length of the bar matched to the correct powerhead and chain more important than the type of sawing being done? Information about the chains and sharpening is in the videos. Thanks for the comments, it may lead to new tests.
The 460 series of stihl saws are legendary, more guys i know keep their 461-2’s and use them more than 500i..i own both and think they each have their place in felling.
I am very impressed with the 462. I look forward to using it more.
for your question how big tree diameter for wich saw. My opinion is saw CC=maximum bar leinght for full comp chains. Here in europe you cannot buy full skip chain. And here trees are not that big 28inch tree is a big tree in europe. And here people using lets say 500i have maximum 20inch bars felling up to let say 50inch trees at ground level where tree roots are. felling trees cutting at ground level into roots is a whole different game than cutting high stumps or bucking logs, cutting branches or milling so finding optimal saw for your need is a must.
Thank you for that perspective. Do you mean engine CC = maximum bar length in centimeters? That does seem to be a good approximation. I love using the 881 to flush large diameter stumps at ground level. Anytime the grain pattern is not parallel, it is harder to cut through. Hopefully this video series helps a person pick the right saw for their application.
Interesting results, thanks for sharing ! I'm thinking getting a Stihl 400 , will that saw be able to oil a 25' bar sufficiently??? There r a lot of conflicting opinions on KZread! Kindly let me know what you think, Gunter
My pleasure, thank you for watching!
No way, it will not be able to oil a 25’ bar
I have a 400 and run a Cannon 24" bar and my brother has a Stihl 25" bar on his 400. Not sure if it's because we run Amsoil Semi-Synthetic bar and chain oil, but our 400s oil a 25" bar and chain just fine. Make sure you turn up the oil feed amount on the bottom of the saw. FYI the Cannon and Stihl bars use the same number drive links on the chain, so they are the same length.
I run a 25in bar on my 400 and it works fine. I tried a 28in bar and it will not oil it enough. I run a 28in on my 462 and it works great.
Stihl recommends 16-25" bar on the 400. Obviously, turn the oiler all the way up if you wish to run a 25" bar.
Just subscribed, you need more subscribers for what you are putting out, glad I stumbled across your channel.
Thank you very much!
Also does amsoil have a nice smell when running your saws?
Most of the pleasant smelling Amsoil products are the spray on types. Such as: Glass Cleaner, Mudslinger, and High-Foam Car Shampoo. As long as it is mixed between 80:1 to 100:1 there is a distinct lack of smell to me. I only notice 2-stroke oil smell if it is cold out and the engine is cold, on startup. At the end of a day of cutting I can smell 2-stroke oil on my clothes, but it is much less intense than other brands.
I run Amsoil Saber 50:1 in my blower, weedeater and my saws. It does have a sweeter smell than other oils that I have run.
Thank you for sharing that!
I always liked the smell of Amsoil Interceptor but Saber smells ok too when I get a wiff once in a while during operation, I mix 44:1 and 40:1 for milling.
I'm glad Amsoil Interceptor is protecting your saws, but it is meant mainly for snowmobiles. Per Stihl manual an oil meant for air cooled engines should be used, which is what Saber Professional is designed for.
Stihl saws I'd love to have are the 036/360, 038, 044/440, 361, and 461. Then all the current strato saws.
Great lineup, my father-in-law has used the 440 for his business for about 15 years. All good saws!
I have the 361 and 461 here in Alaska. I've run my 361 for around 15 years and it's my go-to. 461 is 8 years old and I only use it for big logs.
Good to hear they are serving you well!
462 for the win! I have a 261, a 400 and a 462 and the 462c is hands down my favorite
Thanks for watching John. The 462 is my newest saw and quickly climbing towards the top of my favorites. Make sure to watch part 2, we will compare fuel efficiency!
I own 261 036 and 064 love the old ones but 261 is very light and comfortable.
That is what I appreciate most in the 261, how light it is. Makes a downed tree easy to limb.
Had a great visit. Thanks for stopping by
The pleasure was ours, Eastonmade is a great host.
Looks great james. Great to meet you today
It was great meeting the Eastonmade team today! Thank you for taking the time to share stories and demonstrate some splitters and processors. We hope to post a video of that soon.
Those caps leak regardless. They don’t get tight enough to seal very well, especially after the “new” has wore off
I wipe the sawdust out of the lip of the tanks with my finger before putting the cap back in so the O-ring has a clean surface to seal against. My oldest saw started leaking when it was about fifteen years old, granted I didn’t use that saw as much as I use them now. We’ll see when this new saw starts leaking.
Link to where to get that mud slinger spray
theindependenttinker.shopamsoil.com