Not new being by brother in law made a boot 20 ish years ago , showed it to Salomon, did it with cycling… just Just big company that gets credit 😢
@masternhl3 ай бұрын
Thanks. Its very disappointing for those who choose skis online.
@miskalaakkonen50593 ай бұрын
This is an excellent video for someone who wants to understand more about how the attributes of the ski affect its performance in different conditions. Especially liked the Madshus part. You give a very good overview of the differences in the F2 and F3 lines. If we disregard the idea of only two pairs, how would you add the green-base LTD to the mix? What's the purpose of it and what makes it different from the other two? Is it possible to have a working two-pair fleet of a very good universal F2 for the "wintery" conditions and a green-base with a wet grind to tackle the moisture? For the record, I'm skiing in Finland so we usually have a cold winter with only very few warmer days until the very long spring where the snow gets super wet for ages.
@onnelmiaonnelmia32114 ай бұрын
so, the materials are basically still the same (core etc.), so burning the skis with iron will still be easy? :D
@dougreid34363 ай бұрын
The core is what makes Madshus great but you can burn the bases if you don't wax correctly. True one-pass waxing and using more liquids so that you hotwax and scrape your bases less.
@randalbladel28174 ай бұрын
A former university coach here in Anchorage thinks that Madshus skis lose the strength of their camber rather quickly. Agree of disagree?
@marshallpeterson85264 ай бұрын
Interesting info on the bases and camber. Will you have to revisit your grinds?
@farrier534 ай бұрын
Totally agree with you that Fischer bases are the ultimate. The best to wax. Salomon S-Lab (S-22) are next.
@farrier534 ай бұрын
My opinion exactly ; way too complicated ! To simplify waxing, 2 products, one for above zero C. + one for sub zero. Case closed ! What a nightmare for wax tech. & average joes...
@farrier534 ай бұрын
I tried a pair of "blue" model on cold hard pack conditions (Gatineau Loppet), they were terrible + slow. These skis are really meant for deeper soft snow. Hence the reverse chevron structure.
@DoggParadox4 ай бұрын
Zach and Amy, do you have recommendations on a starting point for cold hard conditions? Sounds like the Salomon blues are meant for cold and soft. The obvious answer is test and see what's fastest, but where would you start testing?
@randalbladel28174 ай бұрын
Love removable bindings for travel. I can fit more skis in the bag. This makes Salomon a more viable option now.
@farrier534 ай бұрын
The screw-in binding system on Salomon's S-Lab is very secure but I have seen a few pairs with bumps in the bases exactly where the screws are located. Maybe due to heat from the wax iron (?). No wonder they went to a plate...
@farrier534 ай бұрын
Amy does'nt seem so convinced...(?) Guss Schumaker's performance is definitely impressive...
@caldwellsportski4 ай бұрын
Amy not seeming convinced is really similar to Amy being very excited! She is a big cheerleader for the Rossi project behind the scenes. Which is good for Rossi since she makes the decisions.
@two6s7224 ай бұрын
@@caldwellsportski🤣🤣 🤣🤣
@vih18020124 ай бұрын
Hey Zach, found this channel lately. Great content for us ski nerds, thanks a lot for good videos. Referring to the nerd files two ski fleet video what two rossignol skis would you pick in a similar scenario? I currently own a pair of a hard surface s2 s and im thinking of adding the sx or the s3 to my "fleet"🙂
@caldwellsportski4 ай бұрын
I think the Sx is a really good complement to the S2 for more natural snow and less than really hard conditions. S3 is also excellent, and has the same thickness profile and material set as Sx, but with a clear base for wet conditions. More specialized for sure, but definitely among the very best clear base wet solutions in the industry.
@lolwutyoutube75614 ай бұрын
Thanks for talking about the classic skis
@Alaski4 ай бұрын
Thanks for review but let Amy talk more.
@caldwellsportski4 ай бұрын
"let Amy talk more"... I would like to cordially invite you to try to GET Amy to talk more. She is famously brief. She agrees to sit-in on these videos to humor me, but she really doesn't like presenting material or information.
@pettermyhr14 ай бұрын
Let Zach do the talking😆 Great review!
@two6s7224 ай бұрын
@@caldwellsportski🤣🤣
@DoggParadox4 ай бұрын
What do you mean when you say the 902 klister ski is an n15 instead an n07 ski? I'm not sure if I've ever found an explanation for Fischer's "N" naming convention.
@caldwellsportski4 ай бұрын
It's really inconsequential - just an item code for inventory management, and it probably wasn't worth mentioning. But when we're selecting skis or reviewing inventory it is really easy to see which model is which if you know the item codes!
@MrMilou974 ай бұрын
Rumour is true, spanish skate skis are now the go to on the worldcup, Minneapolis track suited the S2 perfectly. Meaning that customers have access to the exact same material as the elite, grind included
@VQ30TLJ4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the previews, Zach and Amy! Good to hear that you like the new Salomon plate and movable binding system. I am a fan of the screw-in system but if Salomon's implementation is better than other brands I'll be OK with it.
@elo83644 ай бұрын
I hope the selection of products on the video doesn’t mean you’ll end things with Fischer - there’s no one else out there really explaining and helping understand the differences in behaviour of different skis!!
@caldwellsportski4 ай бұрын
Definitely not ending things with Fischer. It's just a question of testing new products - all the Fischer material carries over for next year.
@toivokoivukoski70604 ай бұрын
Are you hearing that 812 mold classic skis won't be offered by Fisher next year? Sign of climate change, no more cold snow, long snow contact skis.
@caldwellsportski4 ай бұрын
I understand that they have slowed down production for racing, but they are working on a new hardwax model.
@toivokoivukoski70604 ай бұрын
Good to know. I heard there is no real racing need for the 812 mold outside of Canada and Russia, and that they were winding that mold down. We like real snow. @@caldwellsportski
@toivokoivukoski70604 ай бұрын
It is very possible to move kick zones on classic skis, or to soften skis, in the sauna. You put little blocks of wood between the skis and clamp them to move the kick pocket. Fire up the sauna to 80C, shut down the fire, and let the skis relax and adjust overnight.
@toivokoivukoski70604 ай бұрын
...this is learned from the OG wax tech at Lappe Nordic, Pauli Kakki.,
@caldwellsportski4 ай бұрын
@@toivokoivukoski7060 We've done it a lot! Many years ago I was able to get about 30 pairs of "bad flex" warranty skis from Fischer - they were supposed to be destroyed but I promised to take care of that and to never sell them. Instead, I used them to learn all I could about reshaping pockets and remolding skis. It was a really good opportunity to learn, and it helped me begin to understand what characteristics to look for in the skis!
@jakescheck4 ай бұрын
Can’t wait
@KeijonAutoVuokra4 ай бұрын
Do you think there's a risk of higher variance initially since it's such a different construction?
@caldwellsportski4 ай бұрын
No - I don't believe that there will be any more variation because the same manufacturing techniques are used and the new materials don't introduce additional variability. However, any time any company introduces a new construction, there is usually a period of refining cambers. I'm really satisfied with what I've seen from the starting quality and performance. But I anticipate that there will be refinement in the next seasons. That is always happening with all brands. But with new material it is usually a little more change early on.
@randalbladel28174 ай бұрын
A former university coach here in Anchorage seems to think that Madshus loose the strength of their camber pretty quickly. Agree or disagree?
@toivokoivukoski70604 ай бұрын
Screw in bindings are more solid than glued-on plastic plates that flex and fail over time. We've seen many bindings detach from skis this season, with very fragile, fussy binding constructions. You must have skis from the 1990's where the SNS or NNN2 bindings still work and are attached to the skis. The binding has one job- to attach the boot securely to the ski or rollerski. Will today's bindings still be working on skis in 30 years? Solomon bindings have always seemed more solid. Their shift binding seems intrinsically more substantial than Rottefella's version.
@pierre-yvesgauthier41064 ай бұрын
Zach, are you taking orders for Rossi next year?
@caldwellsportski4 ай бұрын
Yes !
@timhanley99924 ай бұрын
Loved this series of videos 👍😄
@pierre-yvesgauthier41064 ай бұрын
Same here! 🎉
@richigross4 ай бұрын
I just bought a pair of Madshus top skate boot a month ago. Aughhh!!!
@bobhauser38335 ай бұрын
Again, great information. Though I'm mostly a recreational skier I love fast skis and you videos sure help. I have used the Vahuti pure Pro liquid products with good success, especially when I had a hot wax that was too cold or warm and no way to rewax. Is shipping of the liquid waxes an issue?
@bobhauser38335 ай бұрын
Nice presentation with lots of information. I really like this geek stuff to help understand ski glide. Empirical information would be good but I bet hard to get. I do Have one of the old Finite structure tools and would like to get some different rollers, are they available anywhere.the coarse ones I have work well in Mt Washington BC wet snow. but need more variety.
@DrAlkaloid5 ай бұрын
Hi! Why are you never explain about Atomic skis ? It's a good quality ski with history... I love them.
@caldwellsportski5 ай бұрын
I used to race on Atomic and really liked the brand. But there was about ten years where they went in some crazy directions and kept changing things without much sense of purpose. In the past five or six years they have done very good work and are really back on track. But it is a lot of hard work to learn a new brand - we test a LOT of skis and it takes time to learn. We haven't done the work with Atomic.
@skinut0065 ай бұрын
Thanks for the detailed overview of ski design. I appreciate your use of the term rocker to describe tip splay. Skis be skis and its useful to use the same terms for ski design from water skis to dh skis and xc.
@user-nh6cj6bm8y5 ай бұрын
Из практики работы с ножами разных производителей,я скажу так это творческая работа.Бывает когда комбинации srb end swix работают вместе и 3 и 4 ножа,и по всей длине лыжи,бывает только из середины лыжи,бывает только пятка лыжи работает.Это безконечный процес,как мазки у художника.В идеале иметь человека который комбинирует ножи и наносит,а два тест пилота катают на лыжах эти рисунки.Три или четыре человека занимаються сруктурами и больше ничем,узкоспециализированные должны быть.Фантазии идут до безконечности,комбинаций море!
@TpaBkaTpaBka3 ай бұрын
Пока не будет четкой научной базы, все это мартышкин труд.
@user-nh6cj6bm8y3 ай бұрын
@@TpaBkaTpaBka Мне жалко вас бедолаг,далеких от профи спорта.Диванные эксперты!
@MrVrob85 ай бұрын
Will the cleat system be licensed to other boot companies-- or even available on its own for custom carbon boot makers? Such a step up in tech!
@danielblackfire23273 ай бұрын
Yes Alpina
@alessela71195 ай бұрын
What's a conceptual difference if you apply a glide wax thin or thick? Why does thin film work better assuming that repelling properties of the wax are the same.
@AndrewFrink5 ай бұрын
@9:41 "all your existing skis remain functional" what if my skis dont have a nis plate and are still using direct mount bundings? Honestly i might even want the mint the "cleat" further back on the boot much more like where i mount my pedal cleats on my bike shoes.
@krisfreeman39725 ай бұрын
There are screw on nis plates available. However plate technology has been around for 15 years. If you're skis are that old I would put money into updating them before investing in the new binding system. I had access to the best skis in the world from 2009-12 but they are obsolete now. Ski technology has progressed fast enough that a stock ski Zach picked for me last year blew my whole world cup fleet away in glide and feel.
@niklasdrakfors13545 ай бұрын
Do you have any thoughts on sprocket driven rollers vs. non sprocket?
@benjaminking8445 ай бұрын
wil it quick release well in a crash?
@farrier535 ай бұрын
No !
@jonathanmoore72405 ай бұрын
So are ski manufacturers going to need to design a new series of skis(construction, sidecut, pressure/flex) to take full advantage of this system?
@brodaism5 ай бұрын
Sturla Lagreid had these boots+binding couple of days ago, guess what won the whole think. He was not the fastest skier but he won by seconds so this might have helped him.
@brodaism5 ай бұрын
At biathlon world championship, biathlon is where skate skiing is used the most.
@parcerito98175 ай бұрын
Madshus representative in Finland said that they have patent up to 2026 so I guess we will see a major breakthru of this for the season 27/28. Also the price cap of the boot and binding ought to drop from the 850€/200€ to lets say 500€/100€ to get it to others but the top tier. But then again this most certainly happens 27/28.
@alessela71195 ай бұрын
Is Madshus planning on releasing these next year to general public?
@parcerito98175 ай бұрын
@@alessela7119 at least in Finland yes
@puravidagardenscacao5775 ай бұрын
Made the conversion from inline to Nordic in ‘02. Started skating on a pair of Lust custom boots & bindings in ‘03 with incredible response. Super lightweight, snappy and responsive like a clap skate, and with a very low profile sole and binding interface it actually put the foot closer to the ski than a conventional race boot! Never skied anything that compared since….?!
@jurgenhinz63205 ай бұрын
Winter ISPO 2024 didn´t award this obviously innovative and ready to market system - why didn´t we see a launch there ? I can imagine that shops having preordered their top of the line boots aren´t happy at all with this innovation being released with delay. For my part and as a Fischer fanboy, but Mashus rider in earlier days (before they designed boots for Ballerinas only ;)), I´d of course first give the X a try before investing in any (out- ?) dated technology. Your video was very in depth and informative. Wished the structure tool one would have gone the same direction ;)
@alessela71195 ай бұрын
A bit confused about steel brush being "directional". You seem to use the brush in both directions. If it's directional, wouldn't you brush in one direction only?
@ellukeaduke5 ай бұрын
This very much looks like it was derived from the Xplore system that Rottefella has been releasing in it's backcountry/XCD line. A lot of the talk in the tele forums was that they thought this was prime for adaptation into the high-performance skate market.
@caldwellsportski5 ай бұрын
They are, indeed, similar. However, I think this SkateX concept predates the Xplore system, and there are critical differences between them. What's clear is that both draw some inspiration from Alpine Touring tech bindings.
@ellukeaduke5 ай бұрын
@@caldwellsportski very interesting feedback. The tech binding inspiration is obvious, and as a nordic skier now doing more pin-toe AT skiing, welcome I think. I may have missed it (was watching while working), but did you discuss at all how the SNS Pilot attempted to solve for this balance point issue, or how this system is different? I know NNN has 'won' the binding wars, but I still have pilot setups that I love.
@Merik_silba5 ай бұрын
Will other ski companies be allowed to make boots compatible with this new system?
@caldwellsportski5 ай бұрын
I have every reason to expect that the system will be licensed to other ski companies.
@two6s7225 ай бұрын
wow!👍👍
@Chris-vt4gc5 ай бұрын
Thanks for letting us know about this system. Approximately how much will the bindings be?
@caldwellsportski5 ай бұрын
The preliminary pricing I've seen puts the binding at $200 at retail.
@onefishfrank91455 ай бұрын
Thank you
@boudieskate5 ай бұрын
Speedskater here who just started skate skiing. Where do I get these? Seems perfect for me. Klapskates were a game changer in 97. Thanks for the info!
@caldwellsportski5 ай бұрын
The system should be available at select Madshus dealers for next season.
@gabriellloyd5 ай бұрын
Will this ever be applied to classic skis?
@caldwellsportski5 ай бұрын
I think there are really necessary elements to the use of the foot structure in classic. Every attempt to make boots soles too stiff in classic has made the action of the kick too hard to achieve. The function of the skis is incredibly position dependent, and the ability to load the foot according to conditions is what makes really outstanding classic skiers so good at making their skis work. I believe that classic will continue to depend on a closer foot/ski interface with softer soles and more sensitivity in the system.
@TobiasTrofast5 ай бұрын
Will the system be a unique Rottefella/Madshus patent, or will it be similar to NNN and open for other boot manufacturers to opt into?
@caldwellsportski5 ай бұрын
I know that Madshus has been a really big part of pushing the development of this system - it was a Madshus idea originally and they have pushed really hard to develop and prove the concept. It makes sense for Madshus to have a bit of a head start. But I believe that this system will be available to license for other companies.
@bryanovercast3495 ай бұрын
@@caldwellsportski not sure if this is related or not, but I worked with a new pair of atomics at US Nats in SoHo this year that had shift-in pro link bindings. They were obviously NNN, but now that I see these skatex I wonder if they are almost a precedent/NNN version of the idea. same rotating move button and for lack of a better word, frame style latch to open/close the binding clip. Interesting stuff!
@randalbladel28175 ай бұрын
If there is not a way to make this work for classic, then we will have to rely on current systems for skiathlon. I suppose it’s easy enough to change out the skat binding for an NNN for the few skiathlon there are, but what a pain.Hoo boy, I hate it when binding systems change.
@VQ30TLJ5 ай бұрын
Thanks for a great rundown of the system. Exciting to see real innovation!
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Not new being by brother in law made a boot 20 ish years ago , showed it to Salomon, did it with cycling… just Just big company that gets credit 😢
Thanks. Its very disappointing for those who choose skis online.
This is an excellent video for someone who wants to understand more about how the attributes of the ski affect its performance in different conditions. Especially liked the Madshus part. You give a very good overview of the differences in the F2 and F3 lines. If we disregard the idea of only two pairs, how would you add the green-base LTD to the mix? What's the purpose of it and what makes it different from the other two? Is it possible to have a working two-pair fleet of a very good universal F2 for the "wintery" conditions and a green-base with a wet grind to tackle the moisture? For the record, I'm skiing in Finland so we usually have a cold winter with only very few warmer days until the very long spring where the snow gets super wet for ages.
so, the materials are basically still the same (core etc.), so burning the skis with iron will still be easy? :D
The core is what makes Madshus great but you can burn the bases if you don't wax correctly. True one-pass waxing and using more liquids so that you hotwax and scrape your bases less.
A former university coach here in Anchorage thinks that Madshus skis lose the strength of their camber rather quickly. Agree of disagree?
Interesting info on the bases and camber. Will you have to revisit your grinds?
Totally agree with you that Fischer bases are the ultimate. The best to wax. Salomon S-Lab (S-22) are next.
My opinion exactly ; way too complicated ! To simplify waxing, 2 products, one for above zero C. + one for sub zero. Case closed ! What a nightmare for wax tech. & average joes...
I tried a pair of "blue" model on cold hard pack conditions (Gatineau Loppet), they were terrible + slow. These skis are really meant for deeper soft snow. Hence the reverse chevron structure.
Zach and Amy, do you have recommendations on a starting point for cold hard conditions? Sounds like the Salomon blues are meant for cold and soft. The obvious answer is test and see what's fastest, but where would you start testing?
Love removable bindings for travel. I can fit more skis in the bag. This makes Salomon a more viable option now.
The screw-in binding system on Salomon's S-Lab is very secure but I have seen a few pairs with bumps in the bases exactly where the screws are located. Maybe due to heat from the wax iron (?). No wonder they went to a plate...
Amy does'nt seem so convinced...(?) Guss Schumaker's performance is definitely impressive...
Amy not seeming convinced is really similar to Amy being very excited! She is a big cheerleader for the Rossi project behind the scenes. Which is good for Rossi since she makes the decisions.
@@caldwellsportski🤣🤣 🤣🤣
Hey Zach, found this channel lately. Great content for us ski nerds, thanks a lot for good videos. Referring to the nerd files two ski fleet video what two rossignol skis would you pick in a similar scenario? I currently own a pair of a hard surface s2 s and im thinking of adding the sx or the s3 to my "fleet"🙂
I think the Sx is a really good complement to the S2 for more natural snow and less than really hard conditions. S3 is also excellent, and has the same thickness profile and material set as Sx, but with a clear base for wet conditions. More specialized for sure, but definitely among the very best clear base wet solutions in the industry.
Thanks for talking about the classic skis
Thanks for review but let Amy talk more.
"let Amy talk more"... I would like to cordially invite you to try to GET Amy to talk more. She is famously brief. She agrees to sit-in on these videos to humor me, but she really doesn't like presenting material or information.
Let Zach do the talking😆 Great review!
@@caldwellsportski🤣🤣
What do you mean when you say the 902 klister ski is an n15 instead an n07 ski? I'm not sure if I've ever found an explanation for Fischer's "N" naming convention.
It's really inconsequential - just an item code for inventory management, and it probably wasn't worth mentioning. But when we're selecting skis or reviewing inventory it is really easy to see which model is which if you know the item codes!
Rumour is true, spanish skate skis are now the go to on the worldcup, Minneapolis track suited the S2 perfectly. Meaning that customers have access to the exact same material as the elite, grind included
Thanks for the previews, Zach and Amy! Good to hear that you like the new Salomon plate and movable binding system. I am a fan of the screw-in system but if Salomon's implementation is better than other brands I'll be OK with it.
I hope the selection of products on the video doesn’t mean you’ll end things with Fischer - there’s no one else out there really explaining and helping understand the differences in behaviour of different skis!!
Definitely not ending things with Fischer. It's just a question of testing new products - all the Fischer material carries over for next year.
Are you hearing that 812 mold classic skis won't be offered by Fisher next year? Sign of climate change, no more cold snow, long snow contact skis.
I understand that they have slowed down production for racing, but they are working on a new hardwax model.
Good to know. I heard there is no real racing need for the 812 mold outside of Canada and Russia, and that they were winding that mold down. We like real snow. @@caldwellsportski
It is very possible to move kick zones on classic skis, or to soften skis, in the sauna. You put little blocks of wood between the skis and clamp them to move the kick pocket. Fire up the sauna to 80C, shut down the fire, and let the skis relax and adjust overnight.
...this is learned from the OG wax tech at Lappe Nordic, Pauli Kakki.,
@@toivokoivukoski7060 We've done it a lot! Many years ago I was able to get about 30 pairs of "bad flex" warranty skis from Fischer - they were supposed to be destroyed but I promised to take care of that and to never sell them. Instead, I used them to learn all I could about reshaping pockets and remolding skis. It was a really good opportunity to learn, and it helped me begin to understand what characteristics to look for in the skis!
Can’t wait
Do you think there's a risk of higher variance initially since it's such a different construction?
No - I don't believe that there will be any more variation because the same manufacturing techniques are used and the new materials don't introduce additional variability. However, any time any company introduces a new construction, there is usually a period of refining cambers. I'm really satisfied with what I've seen from the starting quality and performance. But I anticipate that there will be refinement in the next seasons. That is always happening with all brands. But with new material it is usually a little more change early on.
A former university coach here in Anchorage seems to think that Madshus loose the strength of their camber pretty quickly. Agree or disagree?
Screw in bindings are more solid than glued-on plastic plates that flex and fail over time. We've seen many bindings detach from skis this season, with very fragile, fussy binding constructions. You must have skis from the 1990's where the SNS or NNN2 bindings still work and are attached to the skis. The binding has one job- to attach the boot securely to the ski or rollerski. Will today's bindings still be working on skis in 30 years? Solomon bindings have always seemed more solid. Their shift binding seems intrinsically more substantial than Rottefella's version.
Zach, are you taking orders for Rossi next year?
Yes !
Loved this series of videos 👍😄
Same here! 🎉
I just bought a pair of Madshus top skate boot a month ago. Aughhh!!!
Again, great information. Though I'm mostly a recreational skier I love fast skis and you videos sure help. I have used the Vahuti pure Pro liquid products with good success, especially when I had a hot wax that was too cold or warm and no way to rewax. Is shipping of the liquid waxes an issue?
Nice presentation with lots of information. I really like this geek stuff to help understand ski glide. Empirical information would be good but I bet hard to get. I do Have one of the old Finite structure tools and would like to get some different rollers, are they available anywhere.the coarse ones I have work well in Mt Washington BC wet snow. but need more variety.
Hi! Why are you never explain about Atomic skis ? It's a good quality ski with history... I love them.
I used to race on Atomic and really liked the brand. But there was about ten years where they went in some crazy directions and kept changing things without much sense of purpose. In the past five or six years they have done very good work and are really back on track. But it is a lot of hard work to learn a new brand - we test a LOT of skis and it takes time to learn. We haven't done the work with Atomic.
Thanks for the detailed overview of ski design. I appreciate your use of the term rocker to describe tip splay. Skis be skis and its useful to use the same terms for ski design from water skis to dh skis and xc.
Из практики работы с ножами разных производителей,я скажу так это творческая работа.Бывает когда комбинации srb end swix работают вместе и 3 и 4 ножа,и по всей длине лыжи,бывает только из середины лыжи,бывает только пятка лыжи работает.Это безконечный процес,как мазки у художника.В идеале иметь человека который комбинирует ножи и наносит,а два тест пилота катают на лыжах эти рисунки.Три или четыре человека занимаються сруктурами и больше ничем,узкоспециализированные должны быть.Фантазии идут до безконечности,комбинаций море!
Пока не будет четкой научной базы, все это мартышкин труд.
@@TpaBkaTpaBka Мне жалко вас бедолаг,далеких от профи спорта.Диванные эксперты!
Will the cleat system be licensed to other boot companies-- or even available on its own for custom carbon boot makers? Such a step up in tech!
Yes Alpina
What's a conceptual difference if you apply a glide wax thin or thick? Why does thin film work better assuming that repelling properties of the wax are the same.
@9:41 "all your existing skis remain functional" what if my skis dont have a nis plate and are still using direct mount bundings? Honestly i might even want the mint the "cleat" further back on the boot much more like where i mount my pedal cleats on my bike shoes.
There are screw on nis plates available. However plate technology has been around for 15 years. If you're skis are that old I would put money into updating them before investing in the new binding system. I had access to the best skis in the world from 2009-12 but they are obsolete now. Ski technology has progressed fast enough that a stock ski Zach picked for me last year blew my whole world cup fleet away in glide and feel.
Do you have any thoughts on sprocket driven rollers vs. non sprocket?
wil it quick release well in a crash?
No !
So are ski manufacturers going to need to design a new series of skis(construction, sidecut, pressure/flex) to take full advantage of this system?
Sturla Lagreid had these boots+binding couple of days ago, guess what won the whole think. He was not the fastest skier but he won by seconds so this might have helped him.
At biathlon world championship, biathlon is where skate skiing is used the most.
Madshus representative in Finland said that they have patent up to 2026 so I guess we will see a major breakthru of this for the season 27/28. Also the price cap of the boot and binding ought to drop from the 850€/200€ to lets say 500€/100€ to get it to others but the top tier. But then again this most certainly happens 27/28.
Is Madshus planning on releasing these next year to general public?
@@alessela7119 at least in Finland yes
Made the conversion from inline to Nordic in ‘02. Started skating on a pair of Lust custom boots & bindings in ‘03 with incredible response. Super lightweight, snappy and responsive like a clap skate, and with a very low profile sole and binding interface it actually put the foot closer to the ski than a conventional race boot! Never skied anything that compared since….?!
Winter ISPO 2024 didn´t award this obviously innovative and ready to market system - why didn´t we see a launch there ? I can imagine that shops having preordered their top of the line boots aren´t happy at all with this innovation being released with delay. For my part and as a Fischer fanboy, but Mashus rider in earlier days (before they designed boots for Ballerinas only ;)), I´d of course first give the X a try before investing in any (out- ?) dated technology. Your video was very in depth and informative. Wished the structure tool one would have gone the same direction ;)
A bit confused about steel brush being "directional". You seem to use the brush in both directions. If it's directional, wouldn't you brush in one direction only?
This very much looks like it was derived from the Xplore system that Rottefella has been releasing in it's backcountry/XCD line. A lot of the talk in the tele forums was that they thought this was prime for adaptation into the high-performance skate market.
They are, indeed, similar. However, I think this SkateX concept predates the Xplore system, and there are critical differences between them. What's clear is that both draw some inspiration from Alpine Touring tech bindings.
@@caldwellsportski very interesting feedback. The tech binding inspiration is obvious, and as a nordic skier now doing more pin-toe AT skiing, welcome I think. I may have missed it (was watching while working), but did you discuss at all how the SNS Pilot attempted to solve for this balance point issue, or how this system is different? I know NNN has 'won' the binding wars, but I still have pilot setups that I love.
Will other ski companies be allowed to make boots compatible with this new system?
I have every reason to expect that the system will be licensed to other ski companies.
wow!👍👍
Thanks for letting us know about this system. Approximately how much will the bindings be?
The preliminary pricing I've seen puts the binding at $200 at retail.
Thank you
Speedskater here who just started skate skiing. Where do I get these? Seems perfect for me. Klapskates were a game changer in 97. Thanks for the info!
The system should be available at select Madshus dealers for next season.
Will this ever be applied to classic skis?
I think there are really necessary elements to the use of the foot structure in classic. Every attempt to make boots soles too stiff in classic has made the action of the kick too hard to achieve. The function of the skis is incredibly position dependent, and the ability to load the foot according to conditions is what makes really outstanding classic skiers so good at making their skis work. I believe that classic will continue to depend on a closer foot/ski interface with softer soles and more sensitivity in the system.
Will the system be a unique Rottefella/Madshus patent, or will it be similar to NNN and open for other boot manufacturers to opt into?
I know that Madshus has been a really big part of pushing the development of this system - it was a Madshus idea originally and they have pushed really hard to develop and prove the concept. It makes sense for Madshus to have a bit of a head start. But I believe that this system will be available to license for other companies.
@@caldwellsportski not sure if this is related or not, but I worked with a new pair of atomics at US Nats in SoHo this year that had shift-in pro link bindings. They were obviously NNN, but now that I see these skatex I wonder if they are almost a precedent/NNN version of the idea. same rotating move button and for lack of a better word, frame style latch to open/close the binding clip. Interesting stuff!
If there is not a way to make this work for classic, then we will have to rely on current systems for skiathlon. I suppose it’s easy enough to change out the skat binding for an NNN for the few skiathlon there are, but what a pain.Hoo boy, I hate it when binding systems change.
Thanks for a great rundown of the system. Exciting to see real innovation!
what's the speed of the drill (or impact driver)?