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Been riding my AIMA Santa Monica everywhere, absolutely fantastic ride! So glad I made the right choice!
The 2 AIMA bikes definitely won it for me! Love how consistent those 2 models performed, not to mention they’re $600 bucks cheaper than the bike that placed first! Insane quality for the price!
I have the Summit 1. It’s pretty good. BUT low end torque and PAS is bad. Numerous owners have contacted the company about it. The acceleration profiles are so weak anything other than BOOST pas 5 gives very little torque. Fine on flats but it is horrible on even paved hills. It’s so bad that my T1ST by comparison feels much more powerful on hills despite having less than half the power. Motor programming is messed up The company acknowledges they’re trying to fix this in the next firmware update.
This with truck together you really big time then
Good luck mailing it to Sweden and back for any warranty service. Two year warranty nonsense.
VMAX has warehouses and service centers in the US. No need to mail it to Sweden :)
I'm curious how the acceleration and ride were for someone who is a little nervous on a bike. Were the Sinch/mod City/Monday torque sensors smoother than the Fold/XP/Elux cadence sensors? Wondering about the takeoff and maintaining speed for a biking novice.
The thing that I love about torque sensors, in general, is the methodology behind how you get the power is different than cadence. Based on your question, it sounds like you know that part of it. But the way I think about it is cadence is on or off for power, and you control that power by limiting your top speed with your Pedal assist level. With torque, it's more like a percentage of the motor. So 25, 25, 60, 75, etc. There's not a MPH cut off with torque, and that makes it feel a bit more intuitive, and much more similar to a traditional bike experience. The nice thing is, if you are feeling a bit more nervous, as you stated above, you probably wouldn't be pedaling very hard, which means you wouldn't be getting as much power from the motor. With cadence, the takeoff and motor cutoff is usually a bit delayed (because the ride would end up being really jerky if the timing was adjusted too short). I usually sum it up like this: cadence is liking riding ON an electric bike, whereas torque makes it feel like you're Lance Armstrong (without all the cheating). I hope that sums it up a bit, some of the general differences. Now for the bikes you mentioned, there is definitely a difference in the ride feel between the cadence and torque. For Lectric, they have kind of their own thing going on, so it's a mix between the two with their Lectric PWR. If it were me, and I could just get one bike, I'd most likely go with a torque sensor for regular bike riding, but I would probably want a cadence for something that doesn't have a good pedal geometry (think Super73 or ZOOZ-style bikes). So each has its place in the market, but for a more traditional bike riding experience, I would go torque 9 times out of 10.
@@MicromobilityIndustries Thanks for the explanation, that's very helpful. We have been going back and forth on getting a folding bike or not but I think I definitely am going to stick with the torque regardless of which we pick.
In Germany we can drive only with 13 mph :(
It would take me an hour to get to work with those speeds :P
Very cool!!😎 👍 I’m normally free in the afternoon if you ever need an extra hand.
Thanks Dusty! :)
just got my v12 pro and after 1 hour, the inner tube valve broke. Inmotion is ghosting me, answering email every 3/4 days. And yesterday my friend with a V14, after 3 weeks of use, valve of inner tube broke also. I used to ride V11 for 2 years and happy with it. But done with inmotion now. Customer service is trash and quality ZERO
That's a major bummer :( I've had a lot of riders tell me they buy their wheels from ewheels.com instead of directly from the manufacturer, as ewheels provides great support and covers in-warranty issues.
very common it could be from low pressure or if u have crashed or dropped it it is easy to maniplulate ans crack
The black color is live to me. I think it’s nice that you can interchange the parts.😊😊😊😊
The loud motor is a deal breaker for me. I like the power, Most commuter bikes have 500 watt motors. I want a bike with similar specs and better components.
This was a prototype bike and it had a problem causing the motor to be louder than it normally is. They had to swap the motor over from a different bike and I believe the housing wasn't all the way sealed.
@@MicromobilityIndustries I just watched Lectric's recent video where they metioned how quiet the motor was. I still wish they would offer better component options. I prefer the power of the Xpress over the Ride1up commuter. Thank you for responding.
The V12 series are good wheels, but in my opinion they wouldn’t be the easiest to learn on.. The V12 is quite top heavy and is very sensitive to tyre pressures, if the pressure is high it does feel a bit unstable for a new rider.. Also, it is probably the most configurable wheel made..arguably, it has way too many settings and options to configure for a new rider..the settings give all the options to adjust the V12 ride from dream wheel to absolute pig… which is great if you know and fully understand what the settings and options actually do…if not, you can be in a world of misery very quickly. I would advise that any V12 rider checks out ..mrelwood euc …on KZread..he explains things really well.
$10k? just get a honda, vespa, or yamaha.
i really want to buy one. is it loud? and do you have an affiliate link for me to use??
Link to the winner (Monday Motorbikes Verano) - mondaymotorbikes.com/products/verano
I wonder if they can adjust the delay with a firmware update?
Possibly, but I'm not sure. After further researching I think it's a combination cadence+torque sensor, where a cadence sensor is responsible for activating PAS, and a torque sensor controls the level of power.
62 miles ,😁😭😂🤣🤣😂😭😭😂🤣🤣😂😭 right preytel ,riiiiighghhht.
Thanks for this! I'm really liking what you guys are doing with the individual reviews and category comparisons (with some fun. Love the water and polarized glasses tests 😂). I was between this bike and the Lectric Xpress, and the deciding factors were frame (wanted a high step for better rigidity), torque sensor tuning (seems easier to maintain top speed on the Xpress), and price. I went with the Xpress, but still really like the Discover 2 as well. Both seem like top choices for urban commuters / general fitness bikes
Thanks for the kind words!! I hope your XPress is everything you need it to be! Would love an update to see how it holds up after you get some miles on it!
great review team. any word on the verano link?
I just checked back with them, they said the tech guy is working on it! As soon as it's done, I'll get it updated in the description, but I'll also respond here so you get a notification to check it out!
I gotchya - mondaymotorbikes.com/products/verano
Reporting in the future about the weight of the bikes sounds great, I’m now a subscriber! Your reviews are very thorough and I hope I didn’t come across as harsh on this review. I’m frustrated as I’ve spent all week online and driving to about 13 bike shops looking for a folding e bike with at least a partial suspension, gears, 30+ range and weight of about 55 lbs or less. Nothing. I tried the new WindHorse Wave which has a remarkable amount of features but no gears and 53lbs. No reviews on this and it probably isn’t made to travel more than 5 miles on but I was able to lift it into my trunk on testing (I’m older) as this will be a function of it. Can you recommend a few for me to look at with these few features? Or maybe they don’t exist? Thanks for your excellent reviews! ✌️
You sounded very reasonable to me! It sounds like you know what you need, and it can be hard to find those specs, especially the weight part. Weight is not something most brands like to brag about, but some do a good job of putting all the facts out there. Seems to be hit or miss in my experience. If I look at what you're needing a bike to be, the Monday Motorbikes Verano seems to be a good fit. With the battery and basket attached it weighs in at 58lbs. If you take the basket off, you're probably down to 57, and if you remove the battery (which is super simple these days) that takes off another 9lbs. So you're down to 47-48lbs give or take. It has the gears, the range, and if you remove that battery it comes well below the 55lbs you were looking at. So, that could be an option. We were all pretty impressed with it when we filmed this competition, and it won. We didn't know what to expect from Monday's first folder, but I myself think it was well-built, and am a fan of the Monday Motorbikes company in general, so seems like an excellent bike to look into. They're currently working on getting the Verano uploaded to their website, and as soon as it's done, I'll update the description, and paste that link here as well for you if you'd like to do some further research on it.
Yes I’d like to see it if it’s a folding e-bike. I’ve called the Company all day, no answer and they don’t return my calls. Also there is zero info on a web search and no pics. Do you at least have a photo? Thanks
@@wackit6756 The Monday Verano is one of the folding bikes in this video (The Best of 2024 Folding Bikes Video). There is some good coverage on it, if you need to see it. I'll be sure and post the link here when I get it from Monday so you can check out further specs!
They got it up - mondaymotorbikes.com/products/verano
@@MicromobilityIndustriesThank you!
I appreciate your review but it’s astonishing that you, and most folding bike websites (and even regular bikes) leave out THE most important stat, the weight of the bike. They’ll tell you all the specs and measurements in the world even the total allowable weight to carry but not the weight of the bike itself. After all isn’t this the whole point of a folding bike, to pick it up and try to put it in the trunk? It amazes me.
We appreciate you watching :) I totally agree that some Ebike companies make it hard to find, cause for most of them it’s not a stat they’re super thrilled with I imagine. There’s a few, like Carbo, who promote the weight of their bikes front and center, but most don’t. Now that being said, it is usually listed somewhere on the product page, you just might have to do some digging. We’ll be doing in depth reviews on some of these bikes, and in those we will definitely mention the weight of the bikes. We didn’t mention it in this video in particular because it wasn’t a review, and we didn’t have any fun tests to showcase weight. But now you’ve got me thinking about some ideas for next time… ;)
I love Lectric (:
Thanks for watching! Which model do you have?
@@MicromobilityIndustries I have a couple of different models! XPeak, XP 3.0 and I have a XP Lite 2.0 on order
Oh you're gonna love that Lite 2.0. When we filmed the affordable competition video, that was the only bike we didn't use the lift gate for. Feels solid too, even compared with the Lite 1.0. Did you get belt or chain on the 2.0??
@@MicromobilityIndustries It seems like it will be a great entry level bike I am getting it for my mom who has been wanting an ebike. We ended up getting the Lavender Haze with the standard chain.
@@Ctrey97 That color looks really cool! I haven't seen it in person, but I like the look of it online. I hope your mom likes it! I got my mom a Carbo Model X a few years ago, and if that wasn't the best gift she ever received...haha. I got it for free because it was a review unit, but she loves it and rides it to this day.
Yep every 5 miles fix a flat due to very soft tires. It means more money in manufacturers pocket. Don't buy it till they get harder tires. And if made in China good luck and waiting weeks to get parts. If they are the right parts. Had a buddy buy e bike broke down first day he never got to ride it again all summer waiting for parts the china sent wrong parts. No speak engish.
Hey there! Sorry to hear about your experience with the Chinese company. Monday Motorbikes has an all US crew, including customer service, so maybe your friend got a bike from a different company?
@@MicromobilityIndustries the problem is the tires. To soft. Me I ride a harley. In one month I stopped over 10 times to help e-bikes with flats the majority of pepole ride on the street or off the side of road. And they get so pissed off with soft tires. I always carry tool and patch kit and air compressor. Be a good idea to start selling some hard tires ask the customer were their going to be riding. HARD TIRES!!!
It's interesting you bring that up...I had a conversation with a lady today who had 4 ebikes, 3 of which had flats. She even had Tannus liners in them, which was wild to me, and she had been doing some research on switching her 20x4" tires to some motorcycle or 16x3 scooter tires. Which I hadn't heard of before, but doing some research that does seem to be a pretty cool option.
Where do you get the Monday bike? Their website doesn't sell a folding e-bike.
It’s a little bit of a sneak peek 👀 they’re almost here though. Well have a link to a preorder page in a day or two. I’ll update the Monday motorbikes website link when we have that. Good catch!
@@MicromobilityIndustries cool thanks
You're welcome! Honestly I was very impressed the Verano. It seemed to have some really solid performance, while feeling a bit lighter than some of the others, also who doesn't love a free front basket? ;)
They got it up - mondaymotorbikes.com/products/verano
Nice!👍
Thanks Dusty :) appreciate you stopping by to watch!
How . much? 😊
4:05 they should offer a smaller battery that’s more streamline 😮
Maybe once battery tech improves, otherwise that would sacrifice too much range 🫠 I think that's the one major drawback for the Anthem/Outset is that the real world range isn't great. Smaller battery would also reduce the weight, which could be a good thing depending on who you ask. I like my motorcycles on the heavier side as they feel more stable at speed and in wind 🤷🏻 although for offroad riding on the Outset the reduced weight would probably be nice.
Good 💯
I'm not gonna lie, hearing someone say that six minutes between trains isn't good enough _is_ a little bit infuriating.
The battery tech is so far behind the motor/controller tech right now. The only way to get a fast charging bike is to fork over the same money as an auto it seems.
Completely agree, current gen battery tech leaves a lot to be desired 😭 I think battery swapping stations are the way to go for motorcycles, can be back to 100% in less time than it takes to fill up a tank of gas.
Did you mention what color you had? Lava?
I don't know the official color name 🤷🏻 but it's a dark grey, I'd call it slate grey
Looks like it works great on level, paved ground, how does it work for a 77 year old man, 280 pounds, and lives in a hilly part of the country, with country roads? Thank you.
Ive had this and now livewire. Im keeping my livewire PERIOD!!!!!!!!!
Well the Livewire does cost about 5x as much... so I hope it would be better! I haven't test ridden one yet 🙃
Having only one speed restriction, the top speed, is what I was expecting when I got my bike. But it has a speed limit for each level. plus, it feels, regen braking cuts in when you go above the level's speed limit. I want to see if there's a way I can change that. I can peddle the bike quite easy with the power off though.
I couldn't figure out a way to change it when I messed around with the bike display. It is probably possible, though - I would reach out to HAOQI support and ask them :)
🔥🔥🔥 Також має великий досвід в використанні моноколеса. Проїхав на ньому майже 3500 миль.. було падіння на швидкості 35-40 миль/ годину. Після падіння. Почав їздити більш обережно з максимальною швидкістю- 15-20 миль/ годину. Під час падіння врятував фул фейс шолом , як у автора відео.
Where are the self-driving bicycles?
The closest I've heard is some companies experimenting with self-balancing scooters. I doubt we'll ever see true self-driving for personal electric vehicles... technical hurdles aside, I don't think most PEV riders would want their ride to be autonomous. Driving them is part of the fun!
@@MicromobilityIndustries maybe it could make the economics of on demand shared fleet if a bike could drive itself to the rider ?
@@davids6768 Love that idea! I hadn't thought of that before. Would beat the heck out of having to wander around and find one every time
let the buyer beware on Lectric Junk
Such a good scooter but agree that folding latch needs a rethink definitely not the most secure, functional or aesthetically pleasing, I think the Niu scooters are the best for this. Also think a rocker switch for left/right turn signals like on the Segway gmax2 and others works better. Other than that fantastic scooter and great you have different battery/range sizes to choose from!
Is it available in india ??
What camera did you use to record?
GoPro Hero8 Black. I've since upgraded to the Hero9. That's my main camera for reviews, although recently I've started using an Insta360 X4 for some of my ride tests so that I can get third-person shots.
why did'nt u try pedal-assist uphill ?
Great question! All of them could make it up the hill, we tried that. So, if you’re pedaling, you can do it, but we wanted to see where the torque started to be apparent between the motors. And there’s more variables at play like the gearing of each bike, etc. it was more of a motor test than anything. We appreciate you watching though! Do you have any other suggestions on things we can test in future videos?
I would like to buy a flashing taillight for my vitalin ebike. I want one that I can replace the old one with and run it on my bike battery., not on separate batteries. Anyone know of a company?
I have 10 Gary Fisher mountain bikes and I am going to get some more.
SNEAK PEAKS sharing iz caring by the karey bear impruvements in '24 include all newer L-forx for more stabilitty enlarged decks and stems throtle levers and brake levers are flush with the handlebares for a more aerodynamic and sensible look 👄 segment stems popup light and horn basketseats inset handlebars on large stem modeles new and impruved kixtanz they are lighterweight and more stable that duble as added deckspace when not in use
SNEAK PEAKS sharing iz caring by the karey bear impruvements in '24 include all newer L-forx for more stabilitty enlarged decks and stems throtle levers and brake levers are flush with the handlebares for a more aerodynamic and sensible look 👄 segment stems popup light and horn basketseats inset handlebars on large stem modeles new and impruved kixtanz they are lighterweight and more stable that duble as added deckspace when not in use
😬🛴😬🛴😬🛴😬🌾🍂🌾🍂🌾🍂🍁🌿🌷🥀🪴💐
So does it have esentially 3 modes? Pedal only like a normal bike,throttle only and pedal assit ?
@niumobility def has the best lineup for 2024! - The Cool Courier 🛵🟦
My scooter won't connect to the app
Im from uk and i want one...