This EECOM seems brow beat by Lunney throughout Part 2. The EECOM and Kranz had a much better working relationship in Part 1…
@davidstepeck2644Ай бұрын
It’s details like this, not JUST the Apollo 11 footage, but the footage from Apollo 8 to 17 and this background tech support that makes we want to smack people who say we never landed on the moon. It would be harder to make all this 4:36 stuff up than to actually land on the moon. Not to mention the LRO video of all the landing sights of Apollo 11, 12 and 14-17. Also, huge respect for the guys in Mission Control getting Apollo 13 home and all our Apollo astronauts!
@alansmithee183Ай бұрын
The true mark of professionalism is when you can't even tell there's an emergency going on...
@user-yt9gy4wp7bАй бұрын
In the mission where Trevor is flying a cargobob, if you land it on the H, you can keep it. It despawned on me during eye in the sky, but it respawned later on when I went by his airfield, and I just landed it on the H again.
@minnesotajack1Ай бұрын
I would have thought the “what do we have on the ship that’s good?” line was a screenwriter line, but that is an original quote
@Exnay777Ай бұрын
please lose the auto-generated transcript...it's mostly jibberish...
@nathandahl92332 ай бұрын
22:37 WTH is Popeye doing up there? Not only that, but they have him flying the spacecraft? There's your problem right there.
@SuperSneakySteve2 ай бұрын
Very good information here. Thanks so much.
@ZeroKelvinMoralist2 ай бұрын
This game fascinated me so extreme back in the days, when i look at it now, and how i perceived it back in the days, worlds apart.
@wyattrodriguez20363 ай бұрын
The helicopter took off before I could get into the
@NicholasMatteo3 ай бұрын
Dose anyone know if kranz stayed in the room for 2 days
@coloneldax81433 ай бұрын
they didn't have any blank paper to write on yet they navigated by the stars
@gives_bad_advice4 ай бұрын
Who is the fellow with the southern drawl?
@nigelwilliams93074 ай бұрын
Great movie. They re-made it years later with Tom Hanks.
@user-im4ke4hd7z4 ай бұрын
When i get there i cant find the chopper
@simonraj87484 ай бұрын
I always do that method to! its so easy to get to get the Cargobob
@kidflid32255 ай бұрын
These guys make it sound like a Tuesday morning zoom call to check up on the team, big respect
@silvereagle20615 ай бұрын
"Power down. We lost the Moon"
@RightCenterBack3216 ай бұрын
People think "tough" when they think of Gene Kranz. He may be, but you see that his toughness manifests as calmness and coolness. The way he guided his team is unbelievable. It's like he already knew the answer and was simply pointing everyone the right way. He doesn't consider himself a hero, but he is. Everyone in that control room is.
@pclarin6 ай бұрын
Those guys were so smart!
@lineshaftrestorations79037 ай бұрын
Fighting a monumental problem lead to some outstanding work by all members of the flight and mission control teams.
@lineshaftrestorations79037 ай бұрын
These guys fought a monumental problem and kept cool heads. Outstanding.
@jackwardrop49947 ай бұрын
The AGS played an important role in the safe return of Apollo 13 after an oxygen tank explosion left the Service Module crippled and forced the astronauts to use the Lunar Module as a "lifeboat." Supplies of electrical power and water on the LM were limited and the Primary Guidance and Navigation System used too much water for cooling. As a result, after a major LM descent engine burn two hours past its closest approach to the Moon to shorten the trip home, the AGS was used for most of the return, including two mid-course corrections
@postergmail6202Ай бұрын
So glad you posted this cause no one here knew that.
@MarkJoseph817 ай бұрын
I wish there was the rest of this, as they had to figure out the other problems that arose during the return! Is there a part 5, 6, etc.?
@johnelliott0101Ай бұрын
Agree
@jambojambo3137 ай бұрын
In the UK both men would have been made Sir’s👍
@gives_bad_advice4 ай бұрын
Three
@MarkJoseph817 ай бұрын
Anybody that thinks we didn't go into space, go to the moon, or any of that, needs to listen to every minute of all of these recordings. Tell me this is faked. Give me a break...
@alex-internetlubber8 ай бұрын
One thing I always found interesting is that yes, the cryo tank stir request caused the explosion, but they were having problems getting a reading from it throughout the flight, the two incidents (the tank being dropped and the tank subsequently being improperly boiled at the wrong voltage) might well be connected (but doesn't every mission pretty much require a cryo stir? they're lucky to have it happen when it did, much later or earlier, they would've been dead)
@SimplyTakuma8 ай бұрын
They had a problem before the countdown that the cryotank didn't fully emptied. So the burned the stuff and caused more damage than they should know. After that, the cryotanks get filled again, and they startet with the faulty tank. Because they use the cryotanks after 55 hours, the fault was never detected. And then the stiring process brings the big suprise.
@user-wq8eh6bn3m9 ай бұрын
Bonjour
@ronaldtartaglia44599 ай бұрын
Absolutely riveting
@airplanes429 ай бұрын
They had him doing 3-4 things at once, if he had been watching the tank temp he could have shut the heater off and avoided the accident. They were very slow to diagnose the problem. Very slow. MC always comes off as the heroes, but they could have done a lot better on the front end.😂
@andybillnewstime3 ай бұрын
hahahahhahahaaa
@JimLovell-np4pv10 ай бұрын
4:54 "we'd like to know if you can see stars for landing purposes" WHAT!?
@tonygrasso99 ай бұрын
I heard, “we’d like to know if you can see stars for ‘alignment’ purposes”
@Peoplemvr10 ай бұрын
This is fascinating! You go, Glynn. Not sure why EST is displayed though. MOCR is in Houston .
@davidmichael55738 ай бұрын
Because everything in the US is EST but you also see UTC which is the most important clock on the world stage.
@robo659010 ай бұрын
I've listened so many times, I've memorized: "As long as he's in pooh..." He sure was. And the team got him out!
@ronaldtartaglia445910 ай бұрын
I know these word for word by now.
@ronaldtartaglia445910 ай бұрын
I wish you could do a side by part for part comparison between this and the movie. They were so calm and cool. The movie made them look like dunskies.
@JimLovell-np4pv10 ай бұрын
interesting point at 15:40 when Glynn wants to know if they have a procedure in place already for using the LM as a lifeboat. The engineers who put together that contingency never knew how important their work would become!
@henryj.852810 ай бұрын
Anybody know the answer to this? I am confused by the amp draw of the IMU heaters. IIRC Lunney is told at one point it is 10 amps and at another it's .8. He also says at one point leaving the IMU on for the expected duration of the flight is "academic." Does he mean it's a no brainer to leave them on or that they must be turned off? Also, the method of removing heat from the spacecraft was to attach an aluminum plate to each electronics package and run glycol coolant through them. Of course, that only transfers heat to the glycol loop. That loop is cooled by a "boiler" or sublimator that is a heat exchanger where water is "boilled" off into the vacuum of space to cool the coolant. Later, the LM gets really chilly and the crew's water intake is restricted (due to the need to use water for the cooling system). Haise even got a kidney infection b/c he wasn't drinking enough water. Shouldn't they have turned the "boiler" off? In the low power mode they weren't creating that much heat. Three warm bodies inside the vacuum-insulated spacecraft would have warmed it up nicely and they could have used all the LM water for drinking. Any thoughts on that?
@jameskierans42457 ай бұрын
I'm no expert, these are educated guesses, but for the IMU, I can only assume they didn't know the amp draw off the top of their head because it would almost never come up. With two full O2 tanks, the CSM's power reserves are practically limitless - 10 amps vs 0.8 amps changes nothing for a typical mission. They thought it was 10 amps at first, then revised it to 0.8. When Lunney says "it's academic" he's referring to the fact that 10 amps for 80 hours of flight time remaining would be 800 amp hours, which is way more than they can ever hope to afford with only the reentry batteries and the LM to rely on. The three reentry batteries had 40 amp hours each, and the LM had a total of about 2,000-3,000 (depends on the source) amp hours in its reserves. Even if they didn't think the IMU could handle the frost, they would have had to risk it anyway. As for the cooling, I guess the electronics they left on still would overheat without any cooling; electronics can get very hot locally, while not actually producing much heat. A laptop CPU can hit 90 degrees Celsius while the outer case is still safe to handle. Normally they would get water from the CSM, since the fuel cells would create water as a byproduct. Since the fuel cells were dead, they only had the water from the LM.
@henryj.85287 ай бұрын
I get that they would need to continue to run the glycol loop to take care of local heating, but I question the need for dumping "excess" heat which required lots of water for the "boiler" and ended up over-cooling the spacecraft. @@jameskierans4245
@JimLovell-np4pv10 ай бұрын
who's "e comm"? he deserves a medal!
@alansmithee183Ай бұрын
Seymour "Sy" Abraham Liebergot
@jgunther339811 ай бұрын
we had tickets on this flight but we missed our connection in atlanta and then my wife's mother called and said she was having one of her spells, so we decided to just call it off and try again next year
@Glyn-r10 ай бұрын
You have a sickening sense of humour as human lives were on the line .😨
@JimLovell-np4pv10 ай бұрын
fwiw, i like your sense of humor just fine
@gives_bad_advice Жыл бұрын
50:11 - An interesting exchange begins here. Kranz doesn't understand what the other fellow has in mind. The other fellow re-explains his thought process and suddenly Kranz gets it and proceeds to issue the order accordingly. As I see it, this kind of negotiation is at the very heart of a well-functioning team.
@HEDGE1011Ай бұрын
A very good point; the teamwork was amazing. The other fellow was EECOM for the White Team, Sy Liebergot. Sy was on the console when the explosion happened and was crucial to the initial diagnosis and procedural steps that were taken to stabilize the situation. He wrote an excellent book called “Apollo EECOM” that I highly recommend.
@rl2905 Жыл бұрын
Moon landings were fake? That must be why NASA had to conjure up this fake Apollo 13 catastrophe story, and hire all these voice actors to read this carefully crafted premeditated flight controller script. Careful! We're being fooled here!! 🙄🤔
@Glyn-r10 ай бұрын
I actually watched all this flight and every apollo mission on live tv. Your stupid and invalid comment disrespects every single achievement we ever did in space and everyone involved. Try watching video of apollo 8 before coming up with your garbage.
@Glyn-r10 ай бұрын
Rl12905 dont comment on facts that you know nothing about.
@rl29058 ай бұрын
@@Glyn-r Noted
@rbnn Жыл бұрын
38:00 Glynn laughs or sighs when he is told there are three or four minutes of power in the CSM and a whole lot more to do
@droopmountain6510 Жыл бұрын
They were really reluctant to close out that second fuel cell.
@rbnn Жыл бұрын
At about 37:00 Sy Liebergott (EECOM) asks to reconfigure to be able to see some pump data, and Gene Kranz realizes that according to the checklist already read up to the crew those pumps had already been shut off. Extraordinary awareness and knowledge from Kranz.
@queenash2755 Жыл бұрын
You could tell several times that Glynn was under pressure and almost lost his temper on some people
@rbnn Жыл бұрын
56:51 “I want you to double check my arithmetic to make sure we get a good coarse align”. 59:31 “arithmetic looks good”
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Lol this is hysterical 😂 what a joke
Tanks blow up my car
Takk fyrir frábært myndband! 🇮🇸
I don’t think it would help…..
This EECOM seems brow beat by Lunney throughout Part 2. The EECOM and Kranz had a much better working relationship in Part 1…
It’s details like this, not JUST the Apollo 11 footage, but the footage from Apollo 8 to 17 and this background tech support that makes we want to smack people who say we never landed on the moon. It would be harder to make all this 4:36 stuff up than to actually land on the moon. Not to mention the LRO video of all the landing sights of Apollo 11, 12 and 14-17. Also, huge respect for the guys in Mission Control getting Apollo 13 home and all our Apollo astronauts!
The true mark of professionalism is when you can't even tell there's an emergency going on...
In the mission where Trevor is flying a cargobob, if you land it on the H, you can keep it. It despawned on me during eye in the sky, but it respawned later on when I went by his airfield, and I just landed it on the H again.
I would have thought the “what do we have on the ship that’s good?” line was a screenwriter line, but that is an original quote
please lose the auto-generated transcript...it's mostly jibberish...
22:37 WTH is Popeye doing up there? Not only that, but they have him flying the spacecraft? There's your problem right there.
Very good information here. Thanks so much.
This game fascinated me so extreme back in the days, when i look at it now, and how i perceived it back in the days, worlds apart.
The helicopter took off before I could get into the
Dose anyone know if kranz stayed in the room for 2 days
they didn't have any blank paper to write on yet they navigated by the stars
Who is the fellow with the southern drawl?
Great movie. They re-made it years later with Tom Hanks.
When i get there i cant find the chopper
I always do that method to! its so easy to get to get the Cargobob
These guys make it sound like a Tuesday morning zoom call to check up on the team, big respect
"Power down. We lost the Moon"
People think "tough" when they think of Gene Kranz. He may be, but you see that his toughness manifests as calmness and coolness. The way he guided his team is unbelievable. It's like he already knew the answer and was simply pointing everyone the right way. He doesn't consider himself a hero, but he is. Everyone in that control room is.
Those guys were so smart!
Fighting a monumental problem lead to some outstanding work by all members of the flight and mission control teams.
These guys fought a monumental problem and kept cool heads. Outstanding.
The AGS played an important role in the safe return of Apollo 13 after an oxygen tank explosion left the Service Module crippled and forced the astronauts to use the Lunar Module as a "lifeboat." Supplies of electrical power and water on the LM were limited and the Primary Guidance and Navigation System used too much water for cooling. As a result, after a major LM descent engine burn two hours past its closest approach to the Moon to shorten the trip home, the AGS was used for most of the return, including two mid-course corrections
So glad you posted this cause no one here knew that.
I wish there was the rest of this, as they had to figure out the other problems that arose during the return! Is there a part 5, 6, etc.?
Agree
In the UK both men would have been made Sir’s👍
Three
Anybody that thinks we didn't go into space, go to the moon, or any of that, needs to listen to every minute of all of these recordings. Tell me this is faked. Give me a break...
One thing I always found interesting is that yes, the cryo tank stir request caused the explosion, but they were having problems getting a reading from it throughout the flight, the two incidents (the tank being dropped and the tank subsequently being improperly boiled at the wrong voltage) might well be connected (but doesn't every mission pretty much require a cryo stir? they're lucky to have it happen when it did, much later or earlier, they would've been dead)
They had a problem before the countdown that the cryotank didn't fully emptied. So the burned the stuff and caused more damage than they should know. After that, the cryotanks get filled again, and they startet with the faulty tank. Because they use the cryotanks after 55 hours, the fault was never detected. And then the stiring process brings the big suprise.
Bonjour
Absolutely riveting
They had him doing 3-4 things at once, if he had been watching the tank temp he could have shut the heater off and avoided the accident. They were very slow to diagnose the problem. Very slow. MC always comes off as the heroes, but they could have done a lot better on the front end.😂
hahahahhahahaaa
4:54 "we'd like to know if you can see stars for landing purposes" WHAT!?
I heard, “we’d like to know if you can see stars for ‘alignment’ purposes”
This is fascinating! You go, Glynn. Not sure why EST is displayed though. MOCR is in Houston .
Because everything in the US is EST but you also see UTC which is the most important clock on the world stage.
I've listened so many times, I've memorized: "As long as he's in pooh..." He sure was. And the team got him out!
I know these word for word by now.
I wish you could do a side by part for part comparison between this and the movie. They were so calm and cool. The movie made them look like dunskies.
interesting point at 15:40 when Glynn wants to know if they have a procedure in place already for using the LM as a lifeboat. The engineers who put together that contingency never knew how important their work would become!
Anybody know the answer to this? I am confused by the amp draw of the IMU heaters. IIRC Lunney is told at one point it is 10 amps and at another it's .8. He also says at one point leaving the IMU on for the expected duration of the flight is "academic." Does he mean it's a no brainer to leave them on or that they must be turned off? Also, the method of removing heat from the spacecraft was to attach an aluminum plate to each electronics package and run glycol coolant through them. Of course, that only transfers heat to the glycol loop. That loop is cooled by a "boiler" or sublimator that is a heat exchanger where water is "boilled" off into the vacuum of space to cool the coolant. Later, the LM gets really chilly and the crew's water intake is restricted (due to the need to use water for the cooling system). Haise even got a kidney infection b/c he wasn't drinking enough water. Shouldn't they have turned the "boiler" off? In the low power mode they weren't creating that much heat. Three warm bodies inside the vacuum-insulated spacecraft would have warmed it up nicely and they could have used all the LM water for drinking. Any thoughts on that?
I'm no expert, these are educated guesses, but for the IMU, I can only assume they didn't know the amp draw off the top of their head because it would almost never come up. With two full O2 tanks, the CSM's power reserves are practically limitless - 10 amps vs 0.8 amps changes nothing for a typical mission. They thought it was 10 amps at first, then revised it to 0.8. When Lunney says "it's academic" he's referring to the fact that 10 amps for 80 hours of flight time remaining would be 800 amp hours, which is way more than they can ever hope to afford with only the reentry batteries and the LM to rely on. The three reentry batteries had 40 amp hours each, and the LM had a total of about 2,000-3,000 (depends on the source) amp hours in its reserves. Even if they didn't think the IMU could handle the frost, they would have had to risk it anyway. As for the cooling, I guess the electronics they left on still would overheat without any cooling; electronics can get very hot locally, while not actually producing much heat. A laptop CPU can hit 90 degrees Celsius while the outer case is still safe to handle. Normally they would get water from the CSM, since the fuel cells would create water as a byproduct. Since the fuel cells were dead, they only had the water from the LM.
I get that they would need to continue to run the glycol loop to take care of local heating, but I question the need for dumping "excess" heat which required lots of water for the "boiler" and ended up over-cooling the spacecraft. @@jameskierans4245
who's "e comm"? he deserves a medal!
Seymour "Sy" Abraham Liebergot
we had tickets on this flight but we missed our connection in atlanta and then my wife's mother called and said she was having one of her spells, so we decided to just call it off and try again next year
You have a sickening sense of humour as human lives were on the line .😨
fwiw, i like your sense of humor just fine
50:11 - An interesting exchange begins here. Kranz doesn't understand what the other fellow has in mind. The other fellow re-explains his thought process and suddenly Kranz gets it and proceeds to issue the order accordingly. As I see it, this kind of negotiation is at the very heart of a well-functioning team.
A very good point; the teamwork was amazing. The other fellow was EECOM for the White Team, Sy Liebergot. Sy was on the console when the explosion happened and was crucial to the initial diagnosis and procedural steps that were taken to stabilize the situation. He wrote an excellent book called “Apollo EECOM” that I highly recommend.
Moon landings were fake? That must be why NASA had to conjure up this fake Apollo 13 catastrophe story, and hire all these voice actors to read this carefully crafted premeditated flight controller script. Careful! We're being fooled here!! 🙄🤔
I actually watched all this flight and every apollo mission on live tv. Your stupid and invalid comment disrespects every single achievement we ever did in space and everyone involved. Try watching video of apollo 8 before coming up with your garbage.
Rl12905 dont comment on facts that you know nothing about.
@@Glyn-r Noted
38:00 Glynn laughs or sighs when he is told there are three or four minutes of power in the CSM and a whole lot more to do
They were really reluctant to close out that second fuel cell.
At about 37:00 Sy Liebergott (EECOM) asks to reconfigure to be able to see some pump data, and Gene Kranz realizes that according to the checklist already read up to the crew those pumps had already been shut off. Extraordinary awareness and knowledge from Kranz.
You could tell several times that Glynn was under pressure and almost lost his temper on some people
56:51 “I want you to double check my arithmetic to make sure we get a good coarse align”. 59:31 “arithmetic looks good”