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  @escos04103 сағат бұрын

  How old are you? I work at sellafield nuclear so I would like to think I know a little about the industry What is your source of income in there than y tube

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  @markusw78332 сағат бұрын

  Why do you ask?

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  @escos04102 сағат бұрын

  @@markusw7833 well I was 11 in 86 and can remember the event like yesterday still. it’s just a question my friend as Chernobyl and windscale accidents are used as learning modules in year 3 just whats said says Iv been told rubbish basically

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  @markusw78332 сағат бұрын

  @@escos0410 Make sure to tune into the coming parts. This is just the beginning of what you've been told incorrectly.

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  @escos04102 сағат бұрын

  @@markusw7833 well 70k sterling a year says different for 5 on 5 off shifts at 8hrs max at sellafield I’m a control officer What’s your day to day? Night pal

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  @thatchernobylguy29152 сағат бұрын

  I'm afraid that in case you have been told rubbish :-/ The stuff you're told, if it aligns with HBO, etc, comes into direct conflict with INSAG-7, the IAEA's official report on the accident. www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/Publications/PDF/Pub913e_web.pdf INSAG-1, the report HBO largely follows, is so bad they literally scrubbed it off of their site, yet many courses continue to tell a very warped version of events, with Grigori Medvedev's book also high up there in terms of information, despite his work being heavily discredited by scientists and operators alike. For example, as a more easily accessed version, the MIT opencourse lecture covering the Chernobyl Accident also follows this version of events, which given details contained, implies HBO at least saw this lecture and timeline. kzread.info/dash/bejne/e56n1pagZa6sfpM.html Keep in mind that, as previous videos of mine have mentioned, the INSAG-1/Medvedev version of events had already been discredited in the west. It just so happens that when you have compelling storytelling on your side, these stories of operator malpractice can be perpetuated a lot easier than some workers following their instructions, and when they move to turn the reactor off, it instead explodes.

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  @Malbeefance3 сағат бұрын

  Unsurprising. Authoritarian governments are made up of oligarchs and their so called "governments" lie as a point of policy to cover up their incompetence and corruption. Hollywood is made up of ruling oligarchs. The connection between consistent lying for the sake of profit is not a stretch.

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  @MitchM2404 сағат бұрын

  I have to say I was shocked to find out the HBO doc was not accurate. Until I found your channel a few months ago I thought it was nearly truth, of course some liberties were taken for dram but otherwise I thought it was accurate. All information tended to indicate that. Man, have my eyes been opened.

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  @injadeus89787 сағат бұрын

  Toptunov didn't press the button. It was Akimov.

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  @thatchernobylguy29157 сағат бұрын

  @@injadeus8978 Actually, all witnesses and reports from 1986 and beyond state Toptunov pressed AZ-5. The only source that says Akimov is Medvedev, a highly discredited author who was effectively tasked with writing Soviet propaganda :)

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  @musicilike699 сағат бұрын

  They did their best to cover up the very worst of it and the West and IAEA did the rest led by Hans Blix.

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  @markomicovic530813 сағат бұрын

  I didn't understand again. Did the operators that day operate the reactor within the limits of what was allowed 100% or did they break some rules because of the test that was supposed to be performed?

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  @markusw783312 сағат бұрын

  This is only part one.

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  @KarimY-11914 сағат бұрын

  for me the "2-reactor" comparison given by Diatlov is the only logical. the reactor was doomed much earlier. (and the void effect cannot be the primary culprit to initate the catastrophe, given that most MCPs were running at just 30MW thermal when the excursion occured. the reactor was flooded with water).

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  @AngelBela-f8s22 сағат бұрын

  Rip hisashi oucy😢😢😢😢

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  @rodrigosouto371222 сағат бұрын

  Make a video telling the story of the other RBMK nuclear power plants (Leningrad, Ignalina, Kursk and Smolensk) I liked your channel, greetings from Portugal!

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  @CourtneyHammettКүн бұрын

  It genuinely breaks my heart. His death was much less agonizing than that of his colleagues, but to think of workers looking for him and his family having nothing to bury... But the Three Mile Island fact warmed my heart

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  @nofuckerzКүн бұрын

  whats the first song called?

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  @jdrisselКүн бұрын

  I remember hearing the woodpecker on a heathkit shortwave radio and discoving a second broadcast that I think mightnhave shown up as targets moving slowly away from the radar. It would be easy to do this today, but it seemed really advanced then.

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  @andparf863Күн бұрын

  I have to remind that this show was out when EU goverment pushed the idea of shuting down all nuclear power plants. It is a propaganda film against nuclear energy.

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  @EvilMcSheepКүн бұрын

  Had to speed up the playback, you're talking wayyyy too slow :D

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  @AbhigyanBharadwaj-y1kКүн бұрын

  Dyatlov was supervising the test and akimov was senior something I don't remember

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  @VilemJackel-pp5kgКүн бұрын

  When 0.2 drops?

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  @poletooke4691Күн бұрын

  @2:01 - @2:45 No offense, but..... What was even just said?

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  @markusw7833Күн бұрын

  The graphite tips were graphite displacers that sat symmetrically in the middle of the core when control rods were fully extracted. They were made that way so as to displace water, which absorbed reaction-causing neutrons. As the boron section of the control rods also absorbs neutrons there being graphite under it rather than water means the movement of control rods had a greater effect on reactivity or the amount of reaction-causing neutrons present. Given the size of these graphite displacers if they entered the core from above when control rods were fully extracted the control rods would have stuck out above the reactor core into the reactor hall. Medvedev cannot be considered especially familiar with Chernobyl making such a ridiculous mistake on something so central to the disaster. His book was propaganda.

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  @CourtneyHammettКүн бұрын

  Really saddening/maddening that people used a historical area as target practice

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  @CourtneyHammettКүн бұрын

  Kinda heartbreaking to me that Dyatlov's grave location has to be kept secret. Even after everything

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  @8bitorgy2 күн бұрын

  Never underestimate narrative manipulation. Really.

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  @user-qf6yt3id3w2 күн бұрын

  I loved the series but you can see there's simplification going on to portray Dyatlov as solely to blame and Legasov as a hero.

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  @canadianragin2 күн бұрын

  One thought: the internal openness of the USSR about the causes of the disaster is not the same as being open to the international community, which is what I think the show was broadly going for re: the KGB guy. Was this the case? I apologize that I haven’t watched other videos in this series yet, but that is something I think it is worth discussing

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  @markusw78332 күн бұрын

  Politburo meeting notes were not public.

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  @BB-gr9hq2 күн бұрын

  Dr. Jack Kervorkian would have been the best specialist this man could have had. He suffered twithout hope. I believe they used him just to gather data on end stage radiation sickness.

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  @BB-gr9hq2 күн бұрын

  It is hard for me to believe that Japanese would break the rules to this extent. They are a very intelligent and orderly people.

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  @trisfenn2 күн бұрын

  This youtuber IS probably well paid by putin... Good doggo

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  @thatchernobylguy29152 күн бұрын

  Given this video is clowning on the Soviet propaganda narrative, and how the west is inadvertently parroting it, and I've made previous videos critical of Russian forces in Ukraine, me being paid by Putin is about as likely as me winning the lottery (I don't buy lottery tickets)

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  @Isus6669992 күн бұрын

  Important to remember, in that kind of system, you would never get to become a deputy chief of one of the most prestigious institutions if you would not be a very loyal party member also the KGB would have to approve that.

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  @JiresHacob2 күн бұрын

  I kinda knew it was full of shit when they said the nuclear lava hitting the water would cause like a 10 megaton explosion. That is commonly said yes. But in reality that isn't what would happen. It would release *way more* radiation than a bomb, because it would have just been a large steam explosion much less powerful. So it wouldn't have been the actual explosion that would kill half of Europe, it would have been the resulting radioactive material getting dispersed across Europe by the explosion that would have been the problem if it hit the water below.

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  @hyperbomb022 күн бұрын

  I'm looking at comments and listening to the video and, I'd hate to say it but the TV series does not present itself as accurate history. What the show does do and is reinforced in the video is represent the bureaucracy as the main issue. The TV series uses smaller characters as antagonists vs the reality that it was years of secrets leading to the disaster. But TV is made for the lowest common denominator of the population and if they take away an understanding of chernobyl that they didnt have before, thats a success and good tv. Chernobyl is not a documentary, its a horror/mystery with a real event as a back drop, it gets the ultimate responsibility correct, while getting details wrong. When watching media its important to remember that the show is created by someone who isnt an expert and to be very fair to the tv show it doesnt market itself as the "real story" at all.

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  @thatchernobylguy29152 күн бұрын

  @hyperbomb02 Except Craig Mazin, the creator of the miniseries, has gone to great lengths to explain how he wanted the show to be as close to history as possible, in his podcast and in his interviews explaining how everything presented in the show is true, save for small changes in detail. This is of course false; nothing in the show is correct, not even the assignment of "blame", especially the blame towards the operators, which subsequent scientific analysis in the late 80s showed held little to no fault in the accident, whereas the miniseries follows the propaganda narrative to a tee. There is a difference between changing details to tell a story and completely inventing a fictional narrative that follows a propaganda story out of simple ignorance. Real people died, and they had their legacies dragged through the mud.

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  @hyperbomb022 күн бұрын

  @@thatchernobylguy2915 I'll have to look into the Craig Mazin point. My statement that Chernobyl doesn't represent itself as a "true" story is based on the promotional materials. Regular people would have to go out of their way to see potential podcasts and interviews. I concede that it wasn't a good idea to offload the 3 main operators as the antagonists of the story, while maintaining their real names. But they are vindicated to a degree in the courtroom scene where it's implicitly said everything they did was with the understanding that the reactor could be shutdown. The made up female character even goes to great lengths chastising Legasov because "he knew of the design issues and said nothing for years." As it goes for storytelling, I think it's important to get the audience to believe the propaganda before smashing over their heads what they saw was wrong and Legasov is "the bad guy" even though the first 3 episodes are telling you he is the good guy. Going back through and watching it again gives you a new pov, Legasov isn't a hero struggling against the machine, he's struggling against himself and his guilt the whole time.

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  @2782Jack2 күн бұрын

  I feel that I don't even have enough science literacy to understand what this video is talking about but it seems well constructed, good job!

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  @frankfahrenheit95372 күн бұрын

  Funny pattern of argumentation. I think one can state the following: - had the experiment never been carried out nobody in the West would know the name "Chernobyl" - had nobody tried to restart the reactor core after shutting it more or less during the experiment down nobody in the West ..... - the guy who restarted the reactor pulled the control rods 100% out. I gues one should never, ever pull control rods out 100% , under whatever circumstances (except reactor is not fueled) Had this guy remembered this simple rule nobody in the West ..... Whatever shitty the control rod design was, pulling them 100% was a bad, bad idea.

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  @thatchernobylguy29152 күн бұрын

  Chernobyl would probably be known as an incredible tourist destination and home for the world's largest NPP. Restarting the reactor was the official procedure and was assessed by scientists after the accident as the correct decision. The rods were not pulled 100% out; in fact the control rod insertion was almost certainly within a permissible level when AZ-5 was pressed. This is covered in my other videos, and will probably be covered again when we get to that part of the episode. The HBO miniseries, in effect, followed the government propaganda narrative to a tee, a narrative that didn't even survive to 1988 when western scientists actually looked at the data.

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  @Scots_Diesel2 күн бұрын

  Id more likely believe this if he could spell mini series

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  @thatchernobylguy29152 күн бұрын

  Miniseries has always been spelt as one word :) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miniseries

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  @latajacyosioek55902 күн бұрын

  This reactor would not stabilise. It was badly kicked out of stability by the crew under Diatlov. First they pumped the cold water. Than reactor almost shut down, with power being close to 0, which prompted Diatlov to call for raise of all control rods. Then only a couple of the rods remained inserted, meaning there was almost nothing to catch the neutrons and keep the reaction at value. So, the reactor fell to almost 0, then was raised with almost no brakes. Although I am a noob in nuclear science, I doubt that it would stabilise itself. But when AZ-5 was pressed, all the rods entered their channels at the same time, creating something similar to a spark in a plug. A sudden increase in reactivity, before shutting it down. In conclusion to this yapping, I agree, not pressing AZ-5 would have saved Chernobyl, IF the crew would connect the diesels and started entering the rods in small batches. However, with Diatlov's hot-mind, not the best training of the crew and not safe building (the rest of the reactors were built by Soviet standards with heat-proof materials, but the 4th one wasn't), I doubt that they would pull it off.

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  @scoobsm69942 күн бұрын

  It was, like most such shows, a dramatisation. Most people realise this. Get over it.

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  @aluminium57382 күн бұрын

  Now most people believe in bs over the truth

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  @Andrew-ku4ny2 күн бұрын

  I regard the following book the most complete and informative available refererence work reference nuclear accidents. Title. Serge Marquet -A Brief History of Nuclea Reactor Accidents.

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  @bobsyouruncle15742 күн бұрын

  Fantastic video! I can't even find anything to complain about.

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  @Essah152 күн бұрын

  If the Miniseries is based on a biased Soviet propeganda narrative of the events then it is ironic that modern day russia produced their own miniseries presenting their own biased version of it because they deemed the HBO show as western biased propeganda.

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  @gatsbysgarage83892 күн бұрын

  Def uses a lot of artistic interpretation, maybe too much but Soviet censorship makes it easier to suspend disbelief imo

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  @TheVeenmeister2 күн бұрын

  I have written this to multiple reviewers of the Chernobyl series. On TV you need to explain things to the mainly uneducated viewer. That is why they are talking about graphite tips and bullets firing for thousands of years. So beware that some things are romanticized and specified on the average viewer that has no idea in how a plant like this works. If you go in too technical talk, or too political, viewers turn off the series halfway trough. So take the series with a grain of salt. It is mainly based on real life stories, but still made for people that have no idea about everything that happened.

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  @thatchernobylguy29152 күн бұрын

  There is a difference between dumbing down things for the layperson viewer, and completely reinventing the story to create new villains from nowhere, living or dead, or, more importantly, directly changing the story story to create a new version of the story that ironically follows the Soviet propaganda narrative.

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  @thaiexodus29162 күн бұрын

  Let's simplify. Fact 1. HBO exists to make money from advertisements between riveting programming. Whatever keeps the audience glued to the TV. Fact 2. The Soviet hierarchy was wall to wall brown lipstick. Fact 3. The operators did as they were told. When the fit hit the shan they undertook textbook procedures. Fact 4. The experiment at Chernobyl was not acceptable in reactors then and at present. An unnecessary risk. Fact 5. When the crisis came down the control of it was outside all operational parameters. IE they did not understand the reactor properties as mentioned. In mathematics it's easily explained: A variable had not been assigned. Bottom line. A. If it smacks of drama, change the channel unless you like sunshine blown up your backside. B. If it's mostly boring and incomprehensibly complex, you're getting the real deal. Science, be it nuke fizzicks or political science.

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  @grahamrobbins79262 күн бұрын

  According to Craig Mazin said most of the script & story came from Voices of Chernobyl by Svetlana Alexievitch, which he clained during the companion podcast which ran concurrently with the shows initial run, though I suspect he was referring to the Ignatenko family storyline. There can be little doubt about Medvedev's book being a source for a lot of the erroneous information re: the design & events leading up to the disaster. As someone who had a fascination for all things nuclear throught the years (and remembers when Chernobyl happened) I was struck at how the showhow got some things that seem otherwise unnecessary to change and/or would not have deeply impacted the storyline.

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  @thatchernobylguy29152 күн бұрын

  Voices From Chernobyl has also been thoroughly dragged through the mud in terms of inaccuracy; even Lyudmilla Ignatenko has gone public stating that her story was changed completely. Kupnyi actually talks about this before talking about Medvedev's book, which episode 5 was largely based on.

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  @grahamrobbins79262 күн бұрын

  @@thatchernobylguy2915 I suspected as much. The whole "the baby absorbed all the radiation so mom could live" bit that was allegedly taken from Voices of Chernobyl is just ludicrous. Thanks for clarifying, and keep up the great work, I love you channel! :)

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  @thatchernobylguy29152 күн бұрын

  @@grahamrobbins7926 Lyudmilla Ignatenko's child, Natasha, was born with congenital heart problems and liver cirrhosis. Radiation had nothing to do with her death; they developed a lot earlier in pregnancy.

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  @grahamrobbins79262 күн бұрын

  ​@@thatchernobylguy2915 Yeah, I remember reading their daughter had a heart condition or something and died shortly after birth, but I didn't know about the liver on top of that, neither of which would be tied to ionizing radiation exposure of course and apparently were diagnosed prior to the events of 26 April. I know people can exaggerate their experiences and distort the truth sometimes when they are asked to recall said event, but I just don't understand why Ignatenko or Svetlana or Medvedev or any of them would lie about easily refutable stories. Perhaps animus vs. the Soviet overseers, or maybe just good ol' fashioned greed (write a book, make it "exciting", and cash cheques).

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  @CadenKarow3 күн бұрын

  I've been waiting for this video

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  @user-io9ie5cs8j3 күн бұрын

  Wow. The Soviet govt, management or techs covering something up. Imagine my not-surprise face.....

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  @ceee3383 күн бұрын

  big red flag probably with a hammer on sickle on it is hilarious

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  @mr_honkers25303 күн бұрын

  7:17 sounds like you were trying not to chuckle when saying “used for target practice.” 😂

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  @yamato_tomato3 күн бұрын

  this has to be one of the best rabbit holes I've ever gone down

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  @FoxWolfWorld3 күн бұрын

  Off topic, but isn’t it insane how this power plant continued to run in an operational capacity until the year 2000??

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  @moskitt93243 күн бұрын

  highly recommend, to fix! Oleksandr Kupny is not a liquidator !!!! he's been a radiation control engineer since 1987, and he's Ukrainian, at the moment it's a very, very big difference!!!

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  @markusw78333 күн бұрын

  The description of who he is we got I believe directly from a book of his. Yes, he is Ukrainian. We did not find that to be a pertinent detail.

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  @markusw78333 күн бұрын

  Apparently we only know that he lives in Ukraine rather than where he was born... how much does it matter in this context?

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  @xxnoxx-xp5bl3 күн бұрын

  Did I miss Chernobyl being anything other than a HBO drama? I don't tecall it ever claiming to be full accurate.

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  @markusw78333 күн бұрын

  Yes, you did miss it. Watch the first Masters of Weaponized Narration video.

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  @MostlyPennyCat3 күн бұрын

  Also, correct me if I'm wrong, are you suggesting that there are no top control rods because they would stick out into the reactor hall when extracted? Because what you see on the floor of the reactor hall is not the Upper Biological Shield, that's several meters below the hall floor. There's _a lot_ of steam piping under there

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  @thatchernobylguy29153 күн бұрын

  What we're saying is that the claim that the graphite "tips" enter the core first is complete bogus, because given the length of the control rods, they would be sticking out into the floor of the Reactor Hall. They were in fact displacers that sat in the middle of the reactor to, as their name implies, displace waters.

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  @MostlyPennyCat3 күн бұрын

  @@thatchernobylguy2915 I think that needs a separate video because I can't visualise that over text. As far as I'm aware, the control rods went Blank-Graphite-Blank-Boron-Blank And either BGB or BBB was in the reactor. When they are first inserted, at the bottom of the reactor, a water filled blank is displaced by graphite, boosting the neutron flux at the edge of the reactor. And that this is what jammed the rods, a reactivity spike that caused the channels to warp and jam the control rods. And it doesn't happen at the inserting end because the water filled blank is immediately displaced by the boron. Are you saying that's _not_ what happened?

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  @thatchernobylguy29153 күн бұрын

  More or less, what you're saying is right, yes. Except the control rods didn't jam. This can be verified as the control rods only descended approximately 1/3 of the way. As it takes about 18 seconds for a control rod to fully descend, and there was about 6 seconds between AZ-5 being pressed and the first explosion; the rods descended the entire duration of the runaway and they stopped descending because they no longer existed.

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  @markusw78333 күн бұрын

  @@MostlyPennyCat 5-meter graphite tips entering the core from above do not exist. Yes, the displacement of water columns under the graphite displacers - the water columns being at the bottom of the core and the graphite displacers being in the middle of the core - is what initiated the destructive runaway reaction. You're focusing too much on the control rods being jammed (like the mini-series). Proper sources emphasize the coefficients of reactivity, which will be covered in part three of this series.

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  @MostlyPennyCat3 күн бұрын

  An interesting thing I've found is only one video ever discussing a neutron flux spike at the edge of reactor core. After AZ-5 was pressed and all rods started to enter the core, apparently the very first thing that happened was at the opposite edge of the reactor. The water that sits at the edge of the reactor was immediately displaced by graphite, spiking neutron flux and subsequently water pressure, combined with the positive void coefficient this is the "sudden spike" before shutdown seen at that other reactor. Everyone just says "graphite types rods" and moves on. The reason there's a water not graphite at the edge of the reactor is welded seals will never be as strong as sheets of metal in the middle. It was these welds, joins, valves and seals that warped, cracked and failed, jamming the control rods with only graphite in the reactor. You don't NEED to explain this or know it, but nobody ever goes that one step further.

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  @bobsyouruncle15742 күн бұрын

  Have you watched any of the earlier videos on this channel?

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  @MinSredMash2 күн бұрын

  I am struggling to follow your comment here. When you say 'edge' of the reactor, do you actually mean the 'bottom?' Because that's where the positive scram effect takes places: the entire bottom of the reactor. Also there is no real evidence that the control rods jammed in place. Your reference to welded seals seems to be confused.