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  @christiankohlhaas627351 минут бұрын

  Again the bureaucrats disregard the fact the moment the driver deactivated the system and goes back to manual driving, he gets no nags or anything and can do whatever he wants. That's what will lead to complete loss of all advantages of the system.

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  @markttСағат бұрын

  Basically, it’s never coming…. The rules, should simply be the rules that human drivers have to follow + allowing a human to disengage the system at anytime.

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  @AdrianMeredith2 сағат бұрын

  You can tell this written by a committee. It reminds me of RoboCop 2 where they add 100s of prime directives and her no longer functions

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  @BerntGranbacke4 сағат бұрын

  I do not understand the interpretation of 5.3.7.2.4. This is my interpretation, and if so, we could easily have Beta in Europe: Conclusions and Examples: * Ability to Cancel: The system must give the driver enough time to cancel a maneuver before it's executed. For example, if the system presents an action how to drive in the roundabout, the driver must be able to cancel it before the car starts driving in the roundabout. Even after the maneuver has begun, there should be a clear and simple way to cancel it, such as a button on the steering wheel or a voice command. * No Maneuver After Engagement Request (EOR): If the system has issued an engagement request (EOR) to the driver within the last 7 seconds, no new maneuver may be initiated. This is to ensure that the driver is attentive and aware of the situation. For example, if the system issues an EOR due to the driver's inattentiveness, it must not initiate an system initiated maneuver within 7s afterward. * Active Driver: In addition to the above requirements, further strategies should be implemented to ensure that the driver is actively engaged before a maneuver is initiated. These strategies should be documented and explained. Examples of such strategies could be that the system requires the driver to confirm the maneuver before it is executed, or that the system monitors the driver's attention by analyzing eye movements or head position. I think Tesla do have everything of this in their pocket already.

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  @BerntGranbacke4 сағат бұрын

  And again thank you 🙏🙏🙏 You are important to us Europeans awaiting for this to happen 🙏🙏🙏

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  @Putersdcat4 сағат бұрын

  Europe will have a solid body count from this, and then just decide public transport is best for everyone.

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  @Putersdcat4 сағат бұрын

  Let’s be honest, EU or UNCE makes no difference it’s about DE. I believe by 2030 we can have summon without a cellular signal for 10m in one direction.

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  @StevenPeeters4 сағат бұрын

  @@Putersdcat not at all. There is no conspiracy. Germany is pushing hard for this as well

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  @Putersdcat4 сағат бұрын

  Tesla and “other brands” 🤣🤣🤣

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  @BerntGranbacke4 сағат бұрын

  Thank you for your reporting, I always becomes happy to find your reports. 🙏🙏🙏 There seems to be a misunderstanding regarding the interpretation of "system initiated maneuvers 5.3.7.2.4.10": It clearly states: That it allows the system to exceed the posted speed limit by up to 10% if the driver does not confirm, but the system must stay within the posted speed limit with a tolerance of 10% during and after the maneuver. Leading to a system determines speed being 90km/h, allows the system to drive up to 99km/h. How could you read it otherwise? Maybe I didn't understand your reasoning? It also states "higher than that of system-determined speed-limit". Meaning that if Teslas "system determines" that its 90 km/h, even if there's no roadsign stating that (roadwork example), then it can drive up to 99 km/h. That's definitely how I interpreted the text. I also verified it with different AI:s to ensure I got it right. Maybe I'm wrong? Then please tell me how 🙏

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  @StevenPeeters4 сағат бұрын

  @@BerntGranbacke it needs to aim for the speed limit but there is a tolerance. It is not intended to deliberately exceed the speedlimit

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  @DanFrederiksen4 сағат бұрын

  Maybe write them and tell them that what they are doing is quite stupid and that it works quite well in USA

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  @StevenPeeters4 сағат бұрын

  @@DanFrederiksen but Europe is not the US. It’sca lot harder because of our road system and all our tiny countries doing different things

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  @DanFrederiksen3 сағат бұрын

  @@StevenPeeters that doesn't mean that anything unece is doing is even remotely beneficial

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  @StevenPeeters3 сағат бұрын

  @@DanFrederiksen sure, their methods are not really good or fast. But I firmly stand behind their intention: make the roads safe. They need to be more progressive though

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  @DanFrederiksenСағат бұрын

  @@StevenPeeters they have benefitted nothing and obstructed for several years. they need to be in the ocean. they are idiot bureaucrats. you have made videos about their stupidity for years and now you stand behind them?

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  @eubikedude5 сағат бұрын

  Meanwhile Elon is out (Earnings call) saying "maybe by the end of the year" again. 🤦‍♂

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  @StevenPeeters5 сағат бұрын

  @@eubikedude as is the Roadster going to be delivered next year (again). I wonder if there is still anyone who believes him

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  @eubikedude3 сағат бұрын

  @@StevenPeeters based his political clap-trap as well, he's lost all credibility with a lot of us at this point. Such a shame.

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  @eubikedude5 сағат бұрын

  Nicely done.

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  @DanielBlomqvist5 сағат бұрын

  Seems like the regulation assume a rule based system. So, will be hard for Tesla’s neural net system to comply.

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  @StevenPeeters5 сағат бұрын

  @@DanielBlomqvist the regulations for driving are all rule based. Thst is why a n AI approach will take many more years to work everywhere. AI is the best approach but it is very hard to get the corner cases right due to the fact that they have a low occurrence and thus there is little training data available

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  @AdrianMeredith2 сағат бұрын

  @@StevenPeeters but the ai based approach solves way more of those Corner cases because it solves the ones you don't know about. It only struggles when you want to solve one specific one but they can use the simulator to help there

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  @seppoingalsuo58795 сағат бұрын

  Thanks for good summary! I’m worried about my X100D with FSD. Just holding one hand at 8 or 4 o’clock is not enough to avoid penalty. Wiggling the wheel for no reason every 5s is not making sense. Tesla needs to improve the sensing. In current state would need a cheating device 😠

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  @RaoulTeeuwen6 сағат бұрын

  Thank you for the update. Regarding the monitoring and punishment: seeing many people texting and engaged on their device while driving in a zero-autonomous car, shouldn't the regulators also demand monitoring and punishment for all cars, maybe all vehicles?!

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  @StevenPeeters5 сағат бұрын

  @@RaoulTeeuwen they are called fines 😉 But I knowwhat you mean.

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  @BaldurNorddahl6 сағат бұрын

  With this we have level 3 on the highway and city driving with system initiated maneuvers with driver approved maneuvers as backup. It could actually become an ok system. I just hope Tesla will actually implement it in good faith and no more excuses.

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  @timepstein2746 сағат бұрын

  I'm actually quite positive about this update (I am a long-time Tesla FSD owner in Italy). It is a big step forward from the previous draft that still required human physical approval of every system initiated manoeuvre. These rules should allow FSD supervised to be rolled out in Europe, but with the requirement for regular intervention (e.g. crossing solid white line to pass a bicycle). I fully expect that the feedback from the obvious constraints such as the passing a bicycle example will be incorporated in a much more realistic version next year that allows for "human" like driving as we are now seeing in FSD 12.x Keep in mind that initially they were planning a single version of this legislation for both supervised and unsupervised (L2 and L3) but decided to separate out the L2 to get the legislation implemented as soon as possible. It is clear to me that they will monitor the success of FSD in North America and follow suit with appropriate rules as required in future versions.

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  @kcw93136 сағат бұрын

  The AP fsd nagging sucks. Sunglasses helps with eye.

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  @ikex5ksb47psq27 сағат бұрын

  Excessive regulation will delay advancements in self driving and arguably make the system more complicated to operate than simply driving yourself

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  @BaldurNorddahl7 сағат бұрын

  I fear the HOR system is not good enough. I keep my left hand on the wheel, yet I often get the flash to remind me to give a little tug. Going from 15 to 5 seconds will have this happen exponential more often. If that only can happen 10 times, this will be bad.

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  @StevenPeeters6 сағат бұрын

  Weird, because that works for me 100%

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  @BaldurNorddahl6 сағат бұрын

  @@StevenPeeters I think it depends on how I am sitting. Sometimes it also works perfectly but not always. Maybe my arm is too light to register in some positions. If that is the case, it would be worse for slight women with very little mass in their arms.

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  @ranxerox108 сағат бұрын

  a person with a red flag shall walk in front of the vehicle if the system is active

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  @PinkDuckUK8 сағат бұрын

  What about cars without in-cabin camera? (HOR only-capable)

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  @StevenPeeters6 сағат бұрын

  They won't be able to drive hands-off as there is no way to detect driver attentiveness. Hands-on should be no problem.

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  @steinmar28 сағат бұрын

  Basically regulators doing regulations without understanding how systems really work and limiting where they think they have to … making rules which are not lived in real life scenarios.. Man it will take another year at least to get something close to the FSD from US.. I will be a baby version restricted in doing anything critical or interesting! They have to think there is no driver capable of driving anymore in their minds…

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  @StevenPeeters6 сағат бұрын

  @@steinmar2 the whole point is that accidents hapen due to himans driving. So mimicing the current real world is dangerous. They want the system to be safe. Of course, they should not expect perfection from a system, but copying human behaviour is even worse

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  @lolfreakwaca4328Сағат бұрын

  @@StevenPeeters the problem is these level 2 "self driving" cars still have to share the road with human drivers.

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  @StevenPeetersСағат бұрын

  @@lolfreakwaca4328 yes. If tomorrow we could flip the switch and every single car is full self driving, the problem would have been solved long ago

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  @andreas41128 сағат бұрын

  What??? They are still talking about Level 2-Systems? With this approach, we will never have autonomous driving! How could they ever approve humans driving cars as this will definitely result in more accidents than with any autopilot systems😡.

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  @StevenPeeters6 сағат бұрын

  @@andreas4112 next to this, they are already working on L4 for 2026. But keep in mind that Tesla FSD is nothing more than L2

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  @BaldurNorddahl6 сағат бұрын

  UNECE approved level 3 up to 130 kph on highways almost 1.5 years ago. Tesla just haven't actually made a level 3 system, neither here nor in the US.

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  @StevenPeeters5 сағат бұрын

  @@BaldurNorddahl Even Mercedes has not updated their system to go up to 130kph. L3 is the hardest level to get right

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  @BaldurNorddahl5 сағат бұрын

  @@StevenPeeters that is true. I also consider the Mercedes system to be a demonstration. I doubt they have delivered many level 3 systems to actual customers. However Elon is already talking about FSD Unsupervised. I think maybe we should start with the highway level 3 system.

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  @skjold738 сағат бұрын

  5.3.7.2.4.1/2/2.1 should be possible with FSD superviced - the driver can disengage (.1), the systemerror is a bit vage and so is the 7 secs (.2), FSD have plenty of strategies in place for detection, planning and controles (.2.1)

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  @thearab599 сағат бұрын

  Thank you. I won't be buying FSD again. Autopilot has deteriorated over the 5 years I have had it, and it's clearly being deliberately killed. I use it less and less.

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  @lolfreakwaca4328Сағат бұрын

  the sad thing is its ACTUALLY getting worse.... sure, they updated the map data or got the speedsigndetection right, and now it ACTUALLY seems to get all the speed limits right, but everything else seems to regress.... basic lane keeping..it STILL makes basic mistakes and phantom breaking is real. I always say, with Autopilot you are always on the gas pedal, because the system never DOESNT brake when it needs to, it ALWAYS breaks when it DOESNT need to! driver attention monitoring seems to be pretty bad as well, I am looking forward, and the system is yelling at me to pay attention to the road....I COULDNT BE LOOKING MORE FOREWARDS TO THE ROAD !!! you can argue that its a 5 year old system, but come on, its so sad that Tesla is giving us NOTHING over here in Europe and just letting Basic autopilot deteriorate

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  @jamiebrown29 сағат бұрын

  Good video. Important to remember - none of these proposed regulations would allow the use of FSD Supervised in UNECE countries. An earlier version of FSD (eg a modified v11 or earlier) in theory could be adapted to ensure all these requirements are literally coded in. We really need regulators to have a complete step change in what’s allowed for anything like FSD Supervised to be allowed.

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  @SailingFloh9 сағат бұрын

  Yes the positive thing maybe EAP is enough to get hands free on the highway even that would be a huge improvement 😊

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  @BaldurNorddahl6 сағат бұрын

  I know someone from Tesla said something like that, but it is not true. FSD v12 could definitely be trained for this. Driver confirmed maneuvers is nothing more than an extra traffic rule just like respecting a red light. Tesla already changed their stance on this and are now promising FSD in Europe by end of year.

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  @SailingFloh10 сағат бұрын

  Thx for the Video after i watched it im very convenient that i don't Upgrade to FSD 😅 The highway part is wher the system with hands of and Systeminitiated shoud be very useful but the rest dose sound more annoying than usefull I will safe the money for a car in the fute that can really level 4 drive it self😂

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  @SailingFloh10 сағат бұрын

  For me that sadly sounds more like the Nav on AP version that is currently available in the US and not really FSD 😢

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  @enriquemorenotent10 сағат бұрын

  This video made me extremely hopeless. It is clear that with all these restrictions, Tesla is just going to say "Nah, f*ck it". The work implied in doing an FSD that adapts to European regulations is extreme, and all that to create a system that is worse that what they have... Elon will never allow it.

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  @StevenPeeters10 сағат бұрын

  That is what Rohan Patel also said. Tesla will not adapt to the many regulations. But that was when talking about the DCAS without the system-initiated part. This now brings us another step closer to what Tesla FSD actually is. But yes, there are additional checks that will have to be implemented by Tesla.

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  @enriquemorenotent10 сағат бұрын

  @@StevenPeeters Those additional checks will make it impossible. The current FSD system uses end-to-end AI systems, meaning that there are barely any code point to add an "if (this) doThat();" statements. To make a system that applies all those additional checks they would have to start training the system from zero with EU-only footage. Actually, it would have to be extremely curated footage because, as you said, we humans do all those things that the regulations do not allow AI to do. This alone, will make the task an impossibility. Additional the amount of compute necessary to be allocated to build this system would delay the complete version in the US. Tesla will never accept such conditions. I saw Patel's tweet, and it is clear that he also feels quite hopeless, like I do. The only things that we might get AT BEST is FSD on highways. And that is being EXTREMELY optimistic, which I am not, seeing what has happened so far

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  @StevenPeeters10 сағат бұрын

  @@enriquemorenotent I’m a bit more optimistic than that. Time will tell.

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  @enriquemorenotent10 сағат бұрын

  @@StevenPeeters Fingers and toes crossed ;)

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  @IDRIVE-mk1lv11 сағат бұрын

  Thank you Steve. Let's hope 2025 will be the year of FSD for us.

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  @alwin23011 сағат бұрын

  Not sure why my other comment was hidden, but the system is allowed to cross solid lines in certain situations.

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  @andre-742311 сағат бұрын

  does this mean that a AP1 Tesla will nag for meaningless pulling on the wheel every 5 seconds? or is that only to sabotage newer cars? - this stupidity is to teach people to hang on to the wheel, if falling asleep, by muscle memory instantly going into traffic or off the road.

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  @StevenPeeters11 сағат бұрын

  @@andre-7423 no, it means the for DCAS features it will nag every 5 seconds. Regular lane keeping in standard AP will remain the same

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  @studennison118 сағат бұрын

  Love it! but that’s not a Tesla S-Plaid

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  @StevenPeeters14 сағат бұрын

  Why not? What car is it then?

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  @evaldasustinovicius353016 күн бұрын

  That's it :)

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  @radeklukas18 күн бұрын

  What package do you have? Basic, Enhanced or FSD?

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  @StevenPeeters17 күн бұрын

  @@radeklukas FSD, but what you see here is nothing more than EAP, since FSD doesn’t mean much outside of North-America

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  @radeklukas17 күн бұрын

  @@StevenPeeters I know 🙂, but there are some differences still and it is important to distinguish it. Thanks.

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  @a5tr0019 күн бұрын

  Nice vid thanks! I have 1 month FSD in new M3 2024, however non of the FSD features are working, any idea?

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  @StevenPeeters19 күн бұрын

  @@a5tr00 check with Tesla. I can’t debug your car 😉. Are you sure you have the FSD software version? Europe still doesn’t have any real FSD feature due to regulations

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  @a5tr0019 күн бұрын

  @@StevenPeeters Thanks for your response! Tesla is taking ages to reply to my request. I know I have all features, because when I go to upgrades there is empty. Friends who have Tesla they can see there the options to purchase Enhanced AP or FSD. At least autoparking should work, but it doesn’t …

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  @StevenPeeters19 күн бұрын

  @@a5tr00 where do you live?

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  @francescofernando575621 күн бұрын

  Don't compare that shit with the porsche, the porsche is a sport car

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  @NICKCAMP0418 күн бұрын

  Sedan

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  @rocketry10023 күн бұрын

  Great video. For solar charging how do you tell the car to stop taking power - for example if it gets really dark and cant even support 6A. Maybe a <10% duty cycle? or removing the 1KHz signal entirely (0%)?

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  @StevenPeeters23 күн бұрын

  @@rocketry100 you go back to state B

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  @rocketry10023 күн бұрын

  @@StevenPeeters This video kzread.info/dash/bejne/qoJ5t5mbnMqeeqg.html says there are actually 2 state Bs - B1 and B2. B1 is where the +9V signal is present on CP (but no PWM) - in this state the EVSE is not yet ready to supply power. B2 is where the PWM is present - the EVSE is ready to provide power at the indicated rate.

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  @G82Watts24 күн бұрын

  The regular tesla model s plaid posted a 7:35 .. the taycan turbo s posted a 7:33 .. porsche beat the plaid when both used street tires . tesla "Track pack" cheated it had to use track tire semi slicks (GoodYear Eagle F1 SuperCar 3Rs) that are only used for track times not for street use to beat the porsche taycan,panamera turbo s, m5cs,m3cs, and some other 4 door sedans that all used STREET TIRES. The tesla plaid has 1,000hp and the other cars i named have 400hp less then the plaid. Yet when they all used street tires those cars beat it. The semi slicks on the track pack plaid alone shaves off 10-15 sec. The track pack then posted a 7:25 Think how embarrassing that is that a car with 1000hp couldn't beat a 400hp less taycan. BMW/Porsche design and handling is on another planet. Elons ego got hurt so he had to use tires that no production car has ever came with. Everything about tesla is a marketing scheme. They even recieved a lawsuit for lying about their range estimates 😂😂 their 0-60 times uses rollout 😂😂

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  @StevenPeeters24 күн бұрын

  @@G82Watts all US cars use rollout. It’s a US thing

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  @ivanalbreht692329 күн бұрын

  Hello Steven Which FSD (AP) features are currently applicable in Europe (EU)? It's a real shame that bureaucratic-technical requirements are delaying the entire spectrum of FSD functions. Thank you in advance.

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  @StevenPeeters29 күн бұрын

  @@ivanalbreht6923 they are on the Tesla website. Some cars have summon that doesn’t work. And auto park is currently bring rolled out to hw4 cars without USS. Lane changes work but gave heavy restrictions for years now. Not sure what answer you’re looking for exactly

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  @ivanalbreht692329 күн бұрын

  @@StevenPeeters If I understand correctly, other than speed limit recognition, lane keeping and active cruise control are not in use. Anyway, thanks for the reply.

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  @StevenPeeters29 күн бұрын

  @@ivanalbreht6923 speed limit, traffic lights, lane keep, lane change, TACC, auto park, summon (for older cars) etc. all work but limited by regulations. Autopark and summon are limited by Tesla software, not by regulations. Perhaps you shoud wathc one of the early videos on AP on what exactly the UNECE regulations mean for Tesla. That should make things clear

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  @ibrahimdogan141Ай бұрын

  Excellent, thanks

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  @sunrisejak2709Ай бұрын

  I thought that recommended practice is to drive immediately after reaching 100% to avoid damage by leaving the cells at maximum voltage. Waiting 2-3 hours runs contrary to the deep concern of letting the battery sit at 100% for any length of time. Just by doing this recalibration and cell balancing might it not at the same time reduce full capacity distance?

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  @StevenPeetersАй бұрын

  A few hours is fine. Not a few days

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  @sunrisejak2709Ай бұрын

  ​@@StevenPeeters👍 thanks.

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  @rustlerboi1052Ай бұрын

  Tesla’s (especially model 3’s) are very aerodynamically unstable at speed. The center of pressure is forward of the weight distribution which is naturally unstable. When optimizing a car for low drag, this is what happens. I will not say how I know this about tesla’s specifically, but i’m a vehicle dynamics engineer in the automotive industry.

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  @KoosGoossensАй бұрын

  I'm in the process of replacing my 2019 Model 3 with a new Model 3 (perhaps the Performance version), and I live in the Netherlands. What would your bet be? Will FSD arrive within the next five years in the EU? My current Model 3 has FSD, which I bought five years ago. Apparently, I lost that bet, and I would hate to spend the money again and lose again in the next five years....

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  @StevenPeetersАй бұрын

  Current FSD capabilities within 5 years: sure. True FSD with no one in the car or you in the back seat: unlikely

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  @KoosGoossensАй бұрын

  So you expect self driving with you behind the wheel without any of the current restrictions within 5 years? So no more mayor slowdown at a “klaverblad” or auto lane change? Roundabouts? That would be awesome!

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  @StevenPeetersАй бұрын

  @@KoosGoossens I expect that the L2 Supervised FSD is coming to Europe next year or the year after. This is still with you being fully attentive and fully responsible. That is why I will always refer to autonomous cars as “true FSD”. That’s a whole other ball game

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  @beehappy7797Ай бұрын

  Germany will deny Europe FSD to protect its own car industry. They don't care about reducing traffic accidents in Europe. They are cutting benefits for electric cars because they are losing money. Germany has long been a problem for humanity. They should lose their right to vote in the EU.

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  @StevenPeetersАй бұрын

  Germany is among the leaders to push this DCAS regulation. As well as ADS. Germany already has L4 limited regulation. Stop the conspiracy theories. They are just not true

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  @substance90Ай бұрын

  The autopilot is totally retarded on German streets 😢 a complete downgrade from my Skoda Octavia iV. Its ACC was insanely good.

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  @BaldurNorddahlАй бұрын

  Confirmation of compound movements are allowed. For example you could confirm the complete roundabout movement including the exit before entering the roundabout. Disengagement by too much torque on the steering wheel is just a Tesla issue. Other manufactures have detection by capacitive coupling without this problem. Similarly the car would propose how to navigate an intersection before coming up to it. All you do is confirm the compound movement. It could work just fine. I think Tesla may be a little cry baby here or maybe making excuses. The real problem is probably the test procedures that they have to come up with and then pass.

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  @BaldurNorddahlАй бұрын

  4:53 I have been reading the document 2024-01/GRVA-18-07r2e.pdf and I disagree with the statement that every manoeuvre has to be driver confirmed. That is nowhere in that document. It is even in your slide right on the screen with the (c) option. Instead different implementations can have different capabilities and one of those capability is the option to have system initiated manoeuvres. Yes including taking turns without confirmation. They do however have the section describing the requirements for this empty (section 5.3.7.2.4 "General requirements for system-initiated manoeuvres"). I interpret this as that they are not yet done specifying the requirements and that you may be right in that such a system could not yet gain approval. But it will come. It is also a bit open ended what a manoeuvre is. I would interpret it as taking actions other than following the straight route. It will still stop at red lights, following the road curves, avoid parked cars and pedestrians and so on. It just wont follow the navigation route or leave the lane to go around an obstruktion. While not following the navigation route seems silly, I am actually ok with getting confirmation before going into the oncoming lane to go around obstructions. The USA version of FSD can sometimes do some crazy things.

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  @StevenPeetersАй бұрын

  There is a clear definition of manoeuvre in the document. And the driver confirmation is mandatory for the current version if DCAS, which is exactly what I’m reporting on. And thecreadon why Tesla won’t bring FSD beta to Europe after all.

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  @BaldurNorddahlАй бұрын

  @@StevenPeeters There is _no_ mandatory text for confirmation in the text. Give me the section if you believe there is. On the contrary there is text for system initiated manoeuvres and you even put it in the video. "A manoeuvre shall only be initiated if the driver is not detected to be disengaged, and (a) or (b) or (c) is given sufficient notice to react for a system-initiated manoeuvre" This text clearly says that the car can do a system initiated manoeuvre provided it tells the chauffeur about it in advance. Notice there are _zero_ manoeuvres described as requiring driver confirmation or driver initiation. This means they can _all_ be system initiated. We even have text describing the requirements for system initiated manoeuvres, although there appears to be none currently specified: "5.3.7.2.4. General requirements for system-initiated manoeuvres The requirements of this paragraph and its subparagraphs apply to the system capable of performing a system-initiated manoeuvres. 5.3.7.2.4.1. (Reserved)" The definition of manoeuvre in the text is the following: "“Manoeuvre” means a change in the vehicle’s trajectory that leads the vehicle to at least partially leave its original lane or direction of travel whereby possibly leading to interaction with other road users" Which is just what I said.

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  @ductran8128Ай бұрын

  Thank you for the great video. One question please, after.slow charge to 100%, do we remove the charger from the port and let’s it test for 3hr. Or, we leave the charger in the port and let’s it rest for 3hr? Thank you so much,

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  @StevenPeetersАй бұрын

  Doesn’t really matter. Either works afaik