damn is that the population number next to the server name? Chaos is just 1.2k? Back in the day it used to be like 10k+ rip :(
@gamecitizen2 күн бұрын
@@iamnemoo Yeah, current ragnarok is a shadow of its former glory! The only highly populated servers are some of the Asians one...
@Dark_Wizard_of_Mu10 күн бұрын
They will milk this game to death by making endless gacha mobile game versions of it.
@bal966514 күн бұрын
If you love Ragnarok, come to Toram Online, it is what RO2 should have been and it is still improving patch per patch. We will now be celebrating the 9th anniversary soon! Don't miss the freebies if you are planning to play, start now!
@gamecitizen8 күн бұрын
Never heard of it before! I will give it a try!
@asterphyll17 күн бұрын
Get on ratemyserver, pick a server, live RO
@MazeartshopАй бұрын
That game was my favorite, is Brave ro lives ? its the old Dreamer yh ?
@haggenfarАй бұрын
A footage é br e vc tem sotaque br. És tu um br?
@gamecitizen28 күн бұрын
Sim, sou brasileiro! :)
@cherdnad2630Ай бұрын
Build variety is gone in renewal. Everyone just gets AoE. 4th job is even worse. Every job feels the same.
@gamecitizen28 күн бұрын
Exactly! I never got hyped with the 4th classes; quite the opposite, actually.
@MarsHarborАй бұрын
Hey man, when is your next video :D
@gamecitizen28 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for your message! I really mean it! People talk a lot about toxicity in social media, but there is also a whole lot of positivity, too! These previous months, I got very busy with my job. I couldn't even play. My next video will most likely be published in mid-July! I really appreciated your commentary!
@keyb0atАй бұрын
yoo! straigh up! this is why ive always wanted to play a version without transcend or even ones without alternate jobs. WOE would be very simple and nice! but no! all servers are only "pre-renewal" at best. and nothing earlier than that. I HATE FOOD BUFFS, it ruins the feel everytime i had to EAT ALL FOOD to compete either in PVP or hunting. the only food im willing to consume is concentration/awakening/berserk. thats it. everything esle (food related) is just garbage
@gamecitizen28 күн бұрын
Oh, yes! The insane amount of consumables! Ragnarok could have expanded horizontally, but they decided to go full on power creep!
@terushinomiyaАй бұрын
2004 vibes I want those times in gaming to be back.
@bayumahendra1797Ай бұрын
The best server to play ro is jro but it p2w oriented, if you just want to enjoy pve, then this server is for you
@chibiichenАй бұрын
Hey Gamecitizen. I love your videos and I’m thinking about playing again. Can you recommend any good servers?
@gamecitizenАй бұрын
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed the videos! :) My recommendation would be, for the most people, iRO. But it depends on your location. The official servers of ragnarok have ip block, so, depending where you are, you will have to use a VPN to play on iRO. I play on bRO, the official Brazilian server, and I use VPN to play on it. To play on iRO, I also used VPN. Any good VPN will be all right, and usually the first month is for free, so you can test it. Now, regarding private servers, I'm must say I am a bit outdated. I played on some private servers until a couple of years ago - until Gravity started hunting the big one, Nova. That had a tremendous impact on the private server landscape. Many servers shut down at that time. Since then, many have re-opened. But I will wait a bit, and see which private ones will last. For me, Ragnarok is the perfect background game; that is, a game that you play for a month, stop, and return after several months. Because of that, I think stability is the most important aspect of any server. And that is why, when I suggest, I recommend official servers (not that they never shut down, it happened with the old european server, but it's been a while since an official server has shut down).
@chibiichenАй бұрын
@@gamecitizen thanks for your explanation. I’m glad you took the time and I may check iro later today. What about guides and leveling spots? It’s been 20 years since I played actively and I forgot all the good locations for leveling up an archer.
@gamecitizenАй бұрын
@@chibiichenPerhaps I should make a guide! But, as a general guidance, you can follow the quests in the Eden Group. You can check iRO wiki about it: irowiki.org/wiki/Eden_Group
@chibiichenАй бұрын
Used to play it. I did love it when I was young. I played on euRO and loki I guess and had a lot of fun playing WoE.
@rafalongo72 ай бұрын
I try the mobile version and yes, the game play automatic. I hate that.
@shrimplyrelax30782 ай бұрын
Would you say it's worth starting the game again as an old Burda/FRo player? Are there still enough players and activity? I saw there is still the Iro server that you play on and the 4Game server. Which one would you recommend to me? I used to love this game.
@gamecitizen2 ай бұрын
Well, iRO has many more players than the european server. That alone makes iRO better. However, depending on the style of gameplay, you might have an excellent time at the european server. It's been a while since I last logged on the European server, but iRO got many updates and the playerbase even grew a little bit last year! However, you will need a VPN to play there, and if you are intending on a different play style, you might actually enjoy the european more. Having less players, the market is a bit cold, compared to iRO. But, if you want to farm your gear by yourself or with friends, the european server can be a good choice! Since it is free to play on both, I highly recommend you try by yourself!
@saynotop2w2 ай бұрын
This game was really only “good” for about a year and it was quickly replaced by other games. People can’t even really agree on what that one year is, either-alpha, pre transcendence, transce. Trickster had more freedom, wow had better quests, Mu was edgier, gw had better pvp, and mabinogi had better atmosphere. The current state of the game emphasizes daily so much that if you’re not rotating dozens of characters and doing the same things over and over you’re‘wasting’ time.
@gamecitizen2 ай бұрын
Well, if people disagree on what year was the best, it means that the game was good for many years, but for different people! I always loved the market system in Ragnarok, and jobs like blacksmith and alchemist, and also that "anime-vibe"! I don't think there is one single think that made Ragnarok a good game, nor that it was the best at some specific thing, but, overall, it had a mix of different qualities, making it tasting unique, back in the days!
@ryanlevack93612 ай бұрын
I played this from beta until the release of 2-2 classes and never so the holy trinity established
@gamecitizen2 ай бұрын
Which class did you play with? Hunter was more self-sustaining. But are you going to say you never played in a group with a priest? I played through the same period, and I constantly played in groups. Sometimes we would play alone, sometimes without a priest, but those were the exception. The most normal way to play was: at least one tanker (usually a knight), at least one priest, and everyone else to deal damage.
@ryanlevack93612 ай бұрын
@@gamecitizen never played with a priest I just potion spammed. Only time I played with a priest was when we were both priests and we heal bombed undeads. I played a vit knight and Spammed bowling bash and a grim tooth assassin.
@linkblink6082 ай бұрын
mmorpg is dead... they all just pay to win... its a business now a days not a game genre anymore XD
@gamecitizen2 ай бұрын
Gravity gets most of its revenue stream from mobile games. Gravity could very well sustain classic Ragnarok not for profit, but for securing the status of the brand, of the intellectual property. But they couldn't care less...
@linkblink6082 ай бұрын
@@gamecitizen yea they should make a pc version again.. but i guess they wont do this coz basically mobile games gives more profit than pc games..well i hope they make a ro3 or some updated version of ro in the near future i hope i can still play when they do so as most of us ro is our childhood mmorpg..
@lukintagi2 ай бұрын
It's also very difficult for new players to join the servers because the amount of information that you have to learn to play this game is massive, I mean you can just play and don't care about anything, but if you want to improve your gameplay then you need to learn and reaserch sooo much information and I guess it is hard for newer generations with a shorter span of attention
@gamecitizen2 ай бұрын
That's very much true. I can't imagine what it must be to play Ragnarok for the first time nowadays. There are sooooo many differents things in the game! In the past, there were also many things that were unexplained in-game and we had to rely on forums. Oh, the golden age of MMORPGs and their forums!
@lukintagi2 ай бұрын
@gamecitizen yep, I remember when I started to play this game when I was like 16 years old in the pre-renewal era and before transcendent classes, I felt overwhelmed with all the information I had to learn and reaserch, nowadays I can't imagine how a newbie to the game would feel 🤕
@KvL922 ай бұрын
Ragnarok really managed to make so many parts of the world have some value: cards, crafting materials, pet tame item, converters. Lower lvl players can still make reasonable money farming low areas because high lvl players prefer farming something that gives exp and money at the same time. So few games make low-mid areas seriously relevant for high level characters which makes it so you can only start engaging with the economy/trading once you're at the end. Reliance feels like a core pillar to learn from RO. If you no longer rely on anyone for anything, you get renewal and there's not the same sense of being in a world together and finding your place.
@gamecitizen2 ай бұрын
Exatly!
@CristianGuerreroC3 ай бұрын
as a 30yo, I always come back to RO when I need a safe place to escape from reality
@gamecitizen2 ай бұрын
I've been writing a script for a video on why I've been playing a game that is 20 years old. On my part, I think it has to do with some nostalgia, but also some connection with a part of myself that I might have lost, that childhood/teenager part. Back then, I had no friends and I had a really hard time at school. So, playing Ragnarok was a escape from reality already back in 2005-2009. Of all game genres, I think MMORPGs had a larger impact on the young players' lives. Almost like it became part of our identity.
@akiehss.gnibmum6513 ай бұрын
100% facts, i miss the old days, Ragnarok player here batch 2004
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
I'm from the 2005 batch!
@akiehss.gnibmum6513 ай бұрын
100% facts, i miss the old days, Ragnarok player here batch 2004
@nomorevlogs2653 ай бұрын
Excelente video. Deu saudades de Ragnarok. Vi as mensagens em português e desconfiei que voce fosse brazuca haha
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
Obrigado! Vi que você também faz vídeos em inglês!
@nomorevlogs2653 ай бұрын
@@gamecitizen Sim, estava fazendo por um tempinho. Tomando um break agora haha
@nina70003 ай бұрын
wth 9 minutes?! yes or no thats just 3 secs!
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
Hahahah!! Well, the short answer is in the thumbnail (No), but the long answer is that it depends on the circumstances, and I explain the circumstances in 9min :)
@kuamir5733 ай бұрын
extractor>middle man>producer/crafters>middle man>consumer, i think you forget middle man, person who buy extractor produce to sell to producer, and then they can even buy again from the producer the equipment made by producer to sell to consumer, even in real world many people become billionaire using this method... and personally if you make a game, obviously you want to make money, what this company cash shop should sell is skins that have no in game impact (like dota) and maybe increased drop rate or increased experience item, dont sell in game cash which like you said can mess up the economy...
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
You definitely right!! I completely overlook the middle man, which has always been a central figure in Ragnarok, and, like you said, also in real life economies. Amazon is just a gigantic middle man, so is UberEats, Deliveroo. I will pin your comment and the next time I make a video about in-game economy, I will definitely talk about the middle man!
@bayumahendra17973 ай бұрын
What make RO beautiful is there's np tutorial and quest back then you leaen by yourself or asking other player thats the core of this game comunity Now everyone mind their own bussiness and sadly this game turned into solo online rpg
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
Exactly! It is a shame that, not only Ragnarok, but all MMOs became centered on solo-play.
@xsteel17543 ай бұрын
I'm glad to find your channel
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed my videos! :)
@RazacoReal3 ай бұрын
True bro, you know your stuff like a science 👌👌
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
Thanks! :)
@mirrorblitz3 ай бұрын
I have been thinking a lot about this game and working on a game economy, so this hit in the perfect crossroad for where I am right now. I really miss playing RO with my friends, but it eventually died out, and it really felt like the company decided to cash out with the cash shop updates that were implemented. Who knew that it was really that cashing out that was helping to kill the game-
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video! Are you making a game centered on economy? Will it be like a colony simulator?
@lucianozane16903 ай бұрын
I used to love spending time dropping witch starsand, fabric, immortal hearts... creating mushrooms with alchemists while talking to friends and then almost crash the game just to drop a few alcohols... Similar thing on Tibia, spending time fishing with friends and making runes. And now you can just pay cash for everything. Ok, we don't have time nowadays, but even if we did, the feeling of accomplishment of before was so much simpler compared to now.
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
The grind in old MMOs was indeed very hard, but they threw baby out with the bathwater!
@pattrickmerete3 ай бұрын
When i play MMO, one of my goals is to be rich! From RO to WOW, did nothing but to make money.
@spartaqq3 ай бұрын
great memory lane video! thx. ragnarok died for me after implementation of 3rd classes, thatss why i sticking to pre-renewal RO servers
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
@elcidgaming3 ай бұрын
Gotta admit,, its impressive that EL is still alive and kicking
@바보Queen3 ай бұрын
it doesn't work tho, everyone is a consumer and everyone wants to do the PVE stuff.. and everyone can just gather and craft their own stuff too, u can be everything, so it doesn't have dedicated people, and if there are its a tiny section, nobody is really dependent on anyone
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
Well, it depends. Let's take old Ragnarok as example. In order to make potions, you would need an alchemist with high DEX and LUK. That wasn't an easy feat. On the other hand, it was much easier to farm herbs and sell to the alchemists. Okay, now let's move to contemporary Ragnarok. Nobody relies on nobody else, the game is directed towards solo-play. There is still commerce, but it is mostly about selling gear that you get through cash shop. Okay, now let's consider Albion. In Albion, it is possible for one single character to craft literally anything. However, that seldom happens. Just like in real life economics, it is not because you can do it that it is advantegeous to do it. It is better to do something you are good at, so you are more competitive in the market for that thing, sell and use the money to buy the rest.
@mataca93 ай бұрын
there is a few brazilian private server that have more than 8k active players
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
Sério? Quais servidores? Fiquei interessado agora! :)
@mataca93 ай бұрын
I tryed some mobile, with some hope, but is a lame. The mobile games should be names "Ragnarok Cassino"
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
Definitely! They are cash-grab games. Gravity even acknowledge that in their annual financial report.
@Zilero3 ай бұрын
So true, I wish we could go back to subscription model (including game pass). The irony is that MMOs abandoned it because players were too young to afford it, but now that their demographic could afford it they're addicted to gacha mechanics.
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
Exactly. It~s crazy to thing that the only official server that still charges subscription is the Japanese one, jRO, but it is also the server with the most aggressive gacha!
@CloudminS23 ай бұрын
Totally agreed. What you are playing nowadays?
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
I spent some time playing Albion, but more recently, I started playing ragnarok again, but differently. The idea is to play with extra rules, so as to make the game not only more challenging, but to force playing the initial levels! Some people have been doing that on the Brazilian server, I joined them. Soon I will make a video about that experience!
@Grumpycrankyhead3 ай бұрын
@@gamecitizeni recently has jump to RO world again and found out this server call "MythosofMidgard", no p2p or RMT, nice exp and drop rate, the mechanics is different from the original but its really interesting. Do check it out and please let me know if there's any server better than that. Anyway, nice video ♥️
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
I'll take a look!
@carlwei3 ай бұрын
With this analysis I'm not surprised the Business has left RO mostly untouched since changes to RO puts the whole Ragnarok IP at risk. The Ragnarok team would need to get approval from the parent company to invest in RO. The only way this would be approved is if they're making lots of small changes that add monetization for the business. This is the microtransactions additions we saw from the semi-recent changes. Now the RO team doesn't want to make more changes to the game, since only the bad changes get approved.
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
Crazy thing is that GungHo, the parent company of Gravity, manages the official Japanese server, and it is the only server that still charges monthly to pay and it has more aggressive gacha than any other server!
@Terotrous3 ай бұрын
I feel like any company that's trying to fight modders is playing the wrong game. Modders are willing to put in thousands of hours of work for free just because they want to make your product better. It's literally not possible to compete with that. Even if your own staff has comparable talent and dedication, you still have to pay them. The key is just to make money off of them. Sell the Ragnarok Client for like $50, and if you buy the client, you can play on any server you want. Heck, maybe we even give out some server hosting tools. Most people would probably pay, certainly at least far more than are paying now. Of course, many modern games operate using exactly this model, and unsurprisingly they generally tend to be pretty successful.
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
Exactly! I mean, look at Minecraft. They fully embraced the community making the game better, and it did very well for the game. Not to mention mods in Warcraft and Half-Life. Some of these mods became games of their own, some even started new genre trends! Dota from Warcraft, Counter-Strike from Half-Life, battle royales from minecraft mods. Not only would Gravity make more money, they would make their intellectual property stronger, and thus make more money out of their mobile cash-grabbers!
@danielmartinontiverosvizca73253 ай бұрын
you delivery great videos, I'm happy to watch them
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
I'm glad you like them! Thank you very much! :)
@adtsiriusstarr1123 ай бұрын
FF14 still use the basic holy trinity. But eventually its all about damage. Each role has various jobs/classes but the difference mostly cosmetics. I miss classic ragnarok
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
I haven't played FF14, I thought it would be more direct to solo play. I should try!
@adtsiriusstarr1123 ай бұрын
@@gamecitizen true, during story line it'd be mostly solo play. But for end game its always multiplayer. Dungeons matchmaking is more like ragnarok online 2. We can't customize stats and skill set like classic ragnarok tho...
@gsp19953 ай бұрын
If you can't have fun as a capitalist pig in an MMO, it's a bad MMO (much less a real MMO).
@RyanHare3 ай бұрын
Ah, meu coracao! Hj em dia tenho 32 anos e dois filhos. Mas pelo menos uma vez por ano sinto um aperto no coracao e uma saudade de RO. Nao me arrependo de nenhum segundo das provavelmente milhares de horas que joguei.
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
Sorte nossa de termos vivido a época de ouro dos MMORPGs!
@RandomNPC153 ай бұрын
As soon as you started talking about the holy trinity I immediately knew where you were going based on the rest of the video! Very well written! I never thought about markets having their own holy trinity before, that's a spectacular design theory! As a merchant main in RO, I feel like so many mmos get it totally wrong :(
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
Thanks! Compared to other MMOs, I think Ragnarok has (or at least had) the best market system of them all. I would say not only most MMOs failed to understand the dynamics of market chains, Gravity itself completely forgot it too!
@rezacomplex53273 ай бұрын
ro died because of boot
@gamecitizen3 ай бұрын
EAC got rid of the bots, but now there are macros everywhere!
@malakain3 ай бұрын
started first at 2004 and got immediately addicted. since this time i played every 3-4 years a session of five to seven months, then i took a break. now we have 2024 and right now i play raganagnag again :D. like you said in the video. the vibe of the game makes it great and the class and card system is the best in any mmo, in my opinion. love this game so much!
@NerevarineKing4 ай бұрын
I think there's still an audience for sandbox/grindy MMOs considering OSRunescape
@rendygunawan80994 ай бұрын
Nord vpn free?
@gamecitizen4 ай бұрын
No, only for the first month. You can cancel within the first month and not pay for it, but, after that, it is paid.
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damn is that the population number next to the server name? Chaos is just 1.2k? Back in the day it used to be like 10k+ rip :(
@@iamnemoo Yeah, current ragnarok is a shadow of its former glory! The only highly populated servers are some of the Asians one...
They will milk this game to death by making endless gacha mobile game versions of it.
If you love Ragnarok, come to Toram Online, it is what RO2 should have been and it is still improving patch per patch. We will now be celebrating the 9th anniversary soon! Don't miss the freebies if you are planning to play, start now!
Never heard of it before! I will give it a try!
Get on ratemyserver, pick a server, live RO
That game was my favorite, is Brave ro lives ? its the old Dreamer yh ?
A footage é br e vc tem sotaque br. És tu um br?
Sim, sou brasileiro! :)
Build variety is gone in renewal. Everyone just gets AoE. 4th job is even worse. Every job feels the same.
Exactly! I never got hyped with the 4th classes; quite the opposite, actually.
Hey man, when is your next video :D
Thank you so much for your message! I really mean it! People talk a lot about toxicity in social media, but there is also a whole lot of positivity, too! These previous months, I got very busy with my job. I couldn't even play. My next video will most likely be published in mid-July! I really appreciated your commentary!
yoo! straigh up! this is why ive always wanted to play a version without transcend or even ones without alternate jobs. WOE would be very simple and nice! but no! all servers are only "pre-renewal" at best. and nothing earlier than that. I HATE FOOD BUFFS, it ruins the feel everytime i had to EAT ALL FOOD to compete either in PVP or hunting. the only food im willing to consume is concentration/awakening/berserk. thats it. everything esle (food related) is just garbage
Oh, yes! The insane amount of consumables! Ragnarok could have expanded horizontally, but they decided to go full on power creep!
2004 vibes I want those times in gaming to be back.
The best server to play ro is jro but it p2w oriented, if you just want to enjoy pve, then this server is for you
Hey Gamecitizen. I love your videos and I’m thinking about playing again. Can you recommend any good servers?
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed the videos! :) My recommendation would be, for the most people, iRO. But it depends on your location. The official servers of ragnarok have ip block, so, depending where you are, you will have to use a VPN to play on iRO. I play on bRO, the official Brazilian server, and I use VPN to play on it. To play on iRO, I also used VPN. Any good VPN will be all right, and usually the first month is for free, so you can test it. Now, regarding private servers, I'm must say I am a bit outdated. I played on some private servers until a couple of years ago - until Gravity started hunting the big one, Nova. That had a tremendous impact on the private server landscape. Many servers shut down at that time. Since then, many have re-opened. But I will wait a bit, and see which private ones will last. For me, Ragnarok is the perfect background game; that is, a game that you play for a month, stop, and return after several months. Because of that, I think stability is the most important aspect of any server. And that is why, when I suggest, I recommend official servers (not that they never shut down, it happened with the old european server, but it's been a while since an official server has shut down).
@@gamecitizen thanks for your explanation. I’m glad you took the time and I may check iro later today. What about guides and leveling spots? It’s been 20 years since I played actively and I forgot all the good locations for leveling up an archer.
@@chibiichenPerhaps I should make a guide! But, as a general guidance, you can follow the quests in the Eden Group. You can check iRO wiki about it: irowiki.org/wiki/Eden_Group
Used to play it. I did love it when I was young. I played on euRO and loki I guess and had a lot of fun playing WoE.
I try the mobile version and yes, the game play automatic. I hate that.
Would you say it's worth starting the game again as an old Burda/FRo player? Are there still enough players and activity? I saw there is still the Iro server that you play on and the 4Game server. Which one would you recommend to me? I used to love this game.
Well, iRO has many more players than the european server. That alone makes iRO better. However, depending on the style of gameplay, you might have an excellent time at the european server. It's been a while since I last logged on the European server, but iRO got many updates and the playerbase even grew a little bit last year! However, you will need a VPN to play there, and if you are intending on a different play style, you might actually enjoy the european more. Having less players, the market is a bit cold, compared to iRO. But, if you want to farm your gear by yourself or with friends, the european server can be a good choice! Since it is free to play on both, I highly recommend you try by yourself!
This game was really only “good” for about a year and it was quickly replaced by other games. People can’t even really agree on what that one year is, either-alpha, pre transcendence, transce. Trickster had more freedom, wow had better quests, Mu was edgier, gw had better pvp, and mabinogi had better atmosphere. The current state of the game emphasizes daily so much that if you’re not rotating dozens of characters and doing the same things over and over you’re‘wasting’ time.
Well, if people disagree on what year was the best, it means that the game was good for many years, but for different people! I always loved the market system in Ragnarok, and jobs like blacksmith and alchemist, and also that "anime-vibe"! I don't think there is one single think that made Ragnarok a good game, nor that it was the best at some specific thing, but, overall, it had a mix of different qualities, making it tasting unique, back in the days!
I played this from beta until the release of 2-2 classes and never so the holy trinity established
Which class did you play with? Hunter was more self-sustaining. But are you going to say you never played in a group with a priest? I played through the same period, and I constantly played in groups. Sometimes we would play alone, sometimes without a priest, but those were the exception. The most normal way to play was: at least one tanker (usually a knight), at least one priest, and everyone else to deal damage.
@@gamecitizen never played with a priest I just potion spammed. Only time I played with a priest was when we were both priests and we heal bombed undeads. I played a vit knight and Spammed bowling bash and a grim tooth assassin.
mmorpg is dead... they all just pay to win... its a business now a days not a game genre anymore XD
Gravity gets most of its revenue stream from mobile games. Gravity could very well sustain classic Ragnarok not for profit, but for securing the status of the brand, of the intellectual property. But they couldn't care less...
@@gamecitizen yea they should make a pc version again.. but i guess they wont do this coz basically mobile games gives more profit than pc games..well i hope they make a ro3 or some updated version of ro in the near future i hope i can still play when they do so as most of us ro is our childhood mmorpg..
It's also very difficult for new players to join the servers because the amount of information that you have to learn to play this game is massive, I mean you can just play and don't care about anything, but if you want to improve your gameplay then you need to learn and reaserch sooo much information and I guess it is hard for newer generations with a shorter span of attention
That's very much true. I can't imagine what it must be to play Ragnarok for the first time nowadays. There are sooooo many differents things in the game! In the past, there were also many things that were unexplained in-game and we had to rely on forums. Oh, the golden age of MMORPGs and their forums!
@gamecitizen yep, I remember when I started to play this game when I was like 16 years old in the pre-renewal era and before transcendent classes, I felt overwhelmed with all the information I had to learn and reaserch, nowadays I can't imagine how a newbie to the game would feel 🤕
Ragnarok really managed to make so many parts of the world have some value: cards, crafting materials, pet tame item, converters. Lower lvl players can still make reasonable money farming low areas because high lvl players prefer farming something that gives exp and money at the same time. So few games make low-mid areas seriously relevant for high level characters which makes it so you can only start engaging with the economy/trading once you're at the end. Reliance feels like a core pillar to learn from RO. If you no longer rely on anyone for anything, you get renewal and there's not the same sense of being in a world together and finding your place.
Exatly!
as a 30yo, I always come back to RO when I need a safe place to escape from reality
I've been writing a script for a video on why I've been playing a game that is 20 years old. On my part, I think it has to do with some nostalgia, but also some connection with a part of myself that I might have lost, that childhood/teenager part. Back then, I had no friends and I had a really hard time at school. So, playing Ragnarok was a escape from reality already back in 2005-2009. Of all game genres, I think MMORPGs had a larger impact on the young players' lives. Almost like it became part of our identity.
100% facts, i miss the old days, Ragnarok player here batch 2004
I'm from the 2005 batch!
100% facts, i miss the old days, Ragnarok player here batch 2004
Excelente video. Deu saudades de Ragnarok. Vi as mensagens em português e desconfiei que voce fosse brazuca haha
Obrigado! Vi que você também faz vídeos em inglês!
@@gamecitizen Sim, estava fazendo por um tempinho. Tomando um break agora haha
wth 9 minutes?! yes or no thats just 3 secs!
Hahahah!! Well, the short answer is in the thumbnail (No), but the long answer is that it depends on the circumstances, and I explain the circumstances in 9min :)
extractor>middle man>producer/crafters>middle man>consumer, i think you forget middle man, person who buy extractor produce to sell to producer, and then they can even buy again from the producer the equipment made by producer to sell to consumer, even in real world many people become billionaire using this method... and personally if you make a game, obviously you want to make money, what this company cash shop should sell is skins that have no in game impact (like dota) and maybe increased drop rate or increased experience item, dont sell in game cash which like you said can mess up the economy...
You definitely right!! I completely overlook the middle man, which has always been a central figure in Ragnarok, and, like you said, also in real life economies. Amazon is just a gigantic middle man, so is UberEats, Deliveroo. I will pin your comment and the next time I make a video about in-game economy, I will definitely talk about the middle man!
What make RO beautiful is there's np tutorial and quest back then you leaen by yourself or asking other player thats the core of this game comunity Now everyone mind their own bussiness and sadly this game turned into solo online rpg
Exactly! It is a shame that, not only Ragnarok, but all MMOs became centered on solo-play.
I'm glad to find your channel
I'm glad you enjoyed my videos! :)
True bro, you know your stuff like a science 👌👌
Thanks! :)
I have been thinking a lot about this game and working on a game economy, so this hit in the perfect crossroad for where I am right now. I really miss playing RO with my friends, but it eventually died out, and it really felt like the company decided to cash out with the cash shop updates that were implemented. Who knew that it was really that cashing out that was helping to kill the game-
Glad you enjoyed the video! Are you making a game centered on economy? Will it be like a colony simulator?
I used to love spending time dropping witch starsand, fabric, immortal hearts... creating mushrooms with alchemists while talking to friends and then almost crash the game just to drop a few alcohols... Similar thing on Tibia, spending time fishing with friends and making runes. And now you can just pay cash for everything. Ok, we don't have time nowadays, but even if we did, the feeling of accomplishment of before was so much simpler compared to now.
The grind in old MMOs was indeed very hard, but they threw baby out with the bathwater!
When i play MMO, one of my goals is to be rich! From RO to WOW, did nothing but to make money.
great memory lane video! thx. ragnarok died for me after implementation of 3rd classes, thatss why i sticking to pre-renewal RO servers
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
Gotta admit,, its impressive that EL is still alive and kicking
it doesn't work tho, everyone is a consumer and everyone wants to do the PVE stuff.. and everyone can just gather and craft their own stuff too, u can be everything, so it doesn't have dedicated people, and if there are its a tiny section, nobody is really dependent on anyone
Well, it depends. Let's take old Ragnarok as example. In order to make potions, you would need an alchemist with high DEX and LUK. That wasn't an easy feat. On the other hand, it was much easier to farm herbs and sell to the alchemists. Okay, now let's move to contemporary Ragnarok. Nobody relies on nobody else, the game is directed towards solo-play. There is still commerce, but it is mostly about selling gear that you get through cash shop. Okay, now let's consider Albion. In Albion, it is possible for one single character to craft literally anything. However, that seldom happens. Just like in real life economics, it is not because you can do it that it is advantegeous to do it. It is better to do something you are good at, so you are more competitive in the market for that thing, sell and use the money to buy the rest.
there is a few brazilian private server that have more than 8k active players
Sério? Quais servidores? Fiquei interessado agora! :)
I tryed some mobile, with some hope, but is a lame. The mobile games should be names "Ragnarok Cassino"
Definitely! They are cash-grab games. Gravity even acknowledge that in their annual financial report.
So true, I wish we could go back to subscription model (including game pass). The irony is that MMOs abandoned it because players were too young to afford it, but now that their demographic could afford it they're addicted to gacha mechanics.
Exactly. It~s crazy to thing that the only official server that still charges subscription is the Japanese one, jRO, but it is also the server with the most aggressive gacha!
Totally agreed. What you are playing nowadays?
I spent some time playing Albion, but more recently, I started playing ragnarok again, but differently. The idea is to play with extra rules, so as to make the game not only more challenging, but to force playing the initial levels! Some people have been doing that on the Brazilian server, I joined them. Soon I will make a video about that experience!
@@gamecitizeni recently has jump to RO world again and found out this server call "MythosofMidgard", no p2p or RMT, nice exp and drop rate, the mechanics is different from the original but its really interesting. Do check it out and please let me know if there's any server better than that. Anyway, nice video ♥️
I'll take a look!
With this analysis I'm not surprised the Business has left RO mostly untouched since changes to RO puts the whole Ragnarok IP at risk. The Ragnarok team would need to get approval from the parent company to invest in RO. The only way this would be approved is if they're making lots of small changes that add monetization for the business. This is the microtransactions additions we saw from the semi-recent changes. Now the RO team doesn't want to make more changes to the game, since only the bad changes get approved.
Crazy thing is that GungHo, the parent company of Gravity, manages the official Japanese server, and it is the only server that still charges monthly to pay and it has more aggressive gacha than any other server!
I feel like any company that's trying to fight modders is playing the wrong game. Modders are willing to put in thousands of hours of work for free just because they want to make your product better. It's literally not possible to compete with that. Even if your own staff has comparable talent and dedication, you still have to pay them. The key is just to make money off of them. Sell the Ragnarok Client for like $50, and if you buy the client, you can play on any server you want. Heck, maybe we even give out some server hosting tools. Most people would probably pay, certainly at least far more than are paying now. Of course, many modern games operate using exactly this model, and unsurprisingly they generally tend to be pretty successful.
Exactly! I mean, look at Minecraft. They fully embraced the community making the game better, and it did very well for the game. Not to mention mods in Warcraft and Half-Life. Some of these mods became games of their own, some even started new genre trends! Dota from Warcraft, Counter-Strike from Half-Life, battle royales from minecraft mods. Not only would Gravity make more money, they would make their intellectual property stronger, and thus make more money out of their mobile cash-grabbers!
you delivery great videos, I'm happy to watch them
I'm glad you like them! Thank you very much! :)
FF14 still use the basic holy trinity. But eventually its all about damage. Each role has various jobs/classes but the difference mostly cosmetics. I miss classic ragnarok
I haven't played FF14, I thought it would be more direct to solo play. I should try!
@@gamecitizen true, during story line it'd be mostly solo play. But for end game its always multiplayer. Dungeons matchmaking is more like ragnarok online 2. We can't customize stats and skill set like classic ragnarok tho...
If you can't have fun as a capitalist pig in an MMO, it's a bad MMO (much less a real MMO).
Ah, meu coracao! Hj em dia tenho 32 anos e dois filhos. Mas pelo menos uma vez por ano sinto um aperto no coracao e uma saudade de RO. Nao me arrependo de nenhum segundo das provavelmente milhares de horas que joguei.
Sorte nossa de termos vivido a época de ouro dos MMORPGs!
As soon as you started talking about the holy trinity I immediately knew where you were going based on the rest of the video! Very well written! I never thought about markets having their own holy trinity before, that's a spectacular design theory! As a merchant main in RO, I feel like so many mmos get it totally wrong :(
Thanks! Compared to other MMOs, I think Ragnarok has (or at least had) the best market system of them all. I would say not only most MMOs failed to understand the dynamics of market chains, Gravity itself completely forgot it too!
ro died because of boot
EAC got rid of the bots, but now there are macros everywhere!
started first at 2004 and got immediately addicted. since this time i played every 3-4 years a session of five to seven months, then i took a break. now we have 2024 and right now i play raganagnag again :D. like you said in the video. the vibe of the game makes it great and the class and card system is the best in any mmo, in my opinion. love this game so much!
I think there's still an audience for sandbox/grindy MMOs considering OSRunescape
Nord vpn free?
No, only for the first month. You can cancel within the first month and not pay for it, but, after that, it is paid.