At like 19:10 why wouldn't you count the other 9s and 10s in the deck as part of your outs?
@karlpillay83604 күн бұрын
Ehh okay wait would it only become an out if a 9 or a 10 is pulled on the turn? I think I get it
@linus58852 ай бұрын
in the last example the call is a bit closer because we are only beating 34 combos not 44 which makes it 14:17 which is significantly less than 7:11 but we still win more than 40% (pot odds)
@royalcandy66902 ай бұрын
Great Video, but you did make a mistake at the end if I'm not mistaken. 12 + 16 + 6 should add up to only 34, lowering your odds of winning to 34/(27+34)≈55%. Still a great video and an immense help!
@jazzyfact923 ай бұрын
18:53 why are you not accounting for two 9s and 10s as outs to win?
@linus58852 ай бұрын
because hitting a 9 or 10 on the turn will not make them win, it does give you more outs to win on the river though
@austintyler79013 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t the first example be 3:1?
@dantekou43235 ай бұрын
12+16+6 is 34 not 44. Changes the Equity value.
@linus58852 ай бұрын
yeah, i also commented that, but it is still a call because we beat about 55% of the opponents range, which is still more than the odds (40%)
@renzomenos25285 ай бұрын
I wonder if GTO's take an average of these 2 EV calculations to balance equity when factoring in combos/blockers.
@renzomenos25285 ай бұрын
not that I'd have the time to calculate both, maybe best to do 1 or the other in different spots keep it in mind ;-;
@NakieaBrown7 ай бұрын
Thanks for making the video.
@troyobrien48447 ай бұрын
How much of an advantage would be gained from seeing the exposed A♠️ K♣️? Given there’s two less unseen cards.
@rickt108 ай бұрын
Wait,I have always seen pot odds as risk versus reward. Pot has one, villain bets one, then I am risking 1 to win 3-- as I have to put 1 in to win.
@branthebroken96208 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t a call in the second example depend on your stack size? Because it’s significantly reducing the reward? Is the math just adding it up and ignoring he shoved?
@TheKisaHani8 ай бұрын
im stupid i know: on Fractions; why is it exactly 3 divided bt the pot odds?
@kyleweston32809 ай бұрын
Very good lesson
@gtaglia77910 ай бұрын
Great lesson!! Thanks. Any tricks to calculating Hand vs Range live at a table in the moment? Also, the problem dealing with only percentages is that the cash size of the bet impacts your bankroll. You can win 4 out of 5 hands, so 80% of the time, but still lose money if the losing bet was greater than all your wins...Anyway to manage that in the calculations?
@gmsleepless6530 Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate , please make more of these , you havent make one like 2 years :/
@colemiller7408 Жыл бұрын
This is the most well put together little course I have ever seen! Well done
@dillon4060 Жыл бұрын
Great job dude
@stevenjacobson8177 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this and your math videos 🙏🏼
@tomashcroft7024 Жыл бұрын
Great videos and break downs. Thank you for providing this.
@nyr413 Жыл бұрын
Great video ty!
@ckysusanliu Жыл бұрын
The best poker math lessons I've seen
@panepinto1959 Жыл бұрын
Loved the video. I do not understand at 27 mins into it how there are 6 possible flush draws when the flop, turn and river are out and there are only 2 hearts. If the opponent only as 2 cards, the best possible case for a flush is only 4 hearts, not enough. What am I not understanding? Also, can normal people do all that in their heads while playing? Figuring out the math is pretty easy, but figuring out all the possible ways one could win or lose is difficult to do so quickly, no? Are there any tricks for doing that?
@bartomiejkmita5118 Жыл бұрын
Man this is great! Why you stopped recording videos?
@NikunjAgrawal1 Жыл бұрын
The pot odds will always be below 50% right [since risk < 1/2 (reward + risk) => bet < 1/2 (pot + bet) + bet => bet < 1/2 (2 * bet + pot) < bet + 1/2 pot], then what is the number you really use to decide when to bet? It seemed like you bet even when the pot odds were close to 50%.
for the example, why dont we have more outs? what if we hit 9 9 on the flush and river, or 10 10, or 9 10? 2 pair and 3 of kind beats pair of aces. Or do we calculate outs to get the nuts, the absolute best hand? confusion lol
@linus58852 ай бұрын
because even if you hit a 9 or a 10 on the turn, you are not ahead, you do have more outs on the river though, which you can calculate. so for example, if he hits a 9 on the turn, he has additonal 5 more going into the river. (9 (flush) + 3 (8s) + 2 (9s) +3 (10s)) x 2 = 36%
how do you account for other players at the tables cards
@MrLogidriver Жыл бұрын
amazing
@matthewwhite2756 Жыл бұрын
How can I possibly calculate this in a Live game? Is it even possible/necessary?
@SuperBehroze Жыл бұрын
Literally what I’m wondering
@adamp2029 Жыл бұрын
I used to play blackjack for a living. I put a lot of time and effort into that. But nothing compared to excelling at poker, which I’m just getting into now.
@thomasmatthews80 Жыл бұрын
I hope wow comes back one day. Great guy. GG has got a lot bigger since back then
@mitchsmix269 Жыл бұрын
Your math was off on the Hand Versus Range example. 12 combos of (T9) + 16 combos of (54) + 6 flush draws = 34 hands we beat to 27 hands we lose to. Since we're still winning ~55% of the time vs this range and we only need 40% equity to profitably call it's still an easy call, but it is a bit closer than you showed in the video Still thanks for the super helpful video
@attilajuhasz318 Жыл бұрын
this actually helped me out a lot. thank you!
@neumichel Жыл бұрын
utterly confusing. i appreciate the effort, of course, but you lost me. (i went to college). For instance, at 12:24...which is the summation of pot odds...you have a bullet that says "If you are calling....will never be more than 50%". WHAT will never be more than 50%? And why don't you express 7:3 as 3.33:1? All of a sudden the common ratio of X:1 is abandoned. You introduced ratios as X:1 in previous slides.
@isak3222 Жыл бұрын
Great video, only thing I noticed was wrong is the Hand vs Range slide where you say 12+6+6=44 It is 34
@clydeveigas05 Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best Poker Math lessons, if not THE Best. Thanks alot!
@edboyle66232 жыл бұрын
Excellent video on a subject that I have struggled with in the past (heck, who am I kidding, I still struggle now). I loved the slow, step by step explanation that took me to a final end point that is actually covering a lot of complex stuff (at least to me) yet made it understandable. This video actually made me want to run some hand samples through on paper and work out the math. Nice job !
@ZackSussmanMusic2 жыл бұрын
12:00 how can it not be more than 50%? consider a pot of 1 and a bet of 3. Then you need to win 75% of the time to break even.
@ZackSussmanMusic2 жыл бұрын
SOLVED: You are risking 3 to win 4. So actually you need to win 3/7 of the time to break even. 3/7(4) - (4/7)(3) = 0. The reason it never exceeds 50% is that you win at least the other person's bet + what is in the pot, and the other person's bet is always never less than what you are putting in. In other words, the reward is always at least the risk.
@NocyMusic2 жыл бұрын
Poker is 40% skills 60% luck 🍀 you don’t need to be mathematically good to figure this just play and have fun
@cleborp44532 жыл бұрын
For the question 19:00 wouldn’t there be more outs? Like catching two additional 10’s or 9’s?
@WowPoker2 жыл бұрын
Runner runner outs like this add very little extra equity to your hand and are more difficult to calculate. You have to multiply the percent of the time you hit your out on the turn and the percent of the time you hit your out on this river. So, for your example there are 6 10s or 9s left in the deck on the turn. That is (rough calculation) 12%. IF you hit that out on the turn then you have 5 10s or 9s on the river. That is (again rough calculation) 10%. So. 0.12 x 0.10 = 0.012 = 1.2%. So, the outs do count for something but not really enough to worry about and it makes the calculations too difficult for a beginner video. However, if you have a runner runner flush draw or open ended straight draw, you can typically add 1 out to your calculations on the turn. Hope that helps. Good luck at the tables!
@cleborp44532 жыл бұрын
@@WowPoker that’s what I figured, appreciate the explanation and reply !
@justinrodriguez14032 жыл бұрын
What happens if the pot is 80,000. Player bets 20,000. Reward is 100,000 and risk is 20,000. Should it be 10:2 or will it be 1:2 since we take all the zeros.
@WowPoker2 жыл бұрын
The first answer is correct. You have to remove the same number of zeros from both sides so sometimes one side will be left with a zero.
@FRT5502 жыл бұрын
While playing you don't have time to do all this math. So how do you really apply this when playing?
@WowPoker2 жыл бұрын
With practice these calculations only take a few seconds. At first it is slow which is why you should do them a lot when you are studying when learning poker and then when you play it is almost instant. Or you can memorize the common bet sizes and pot odds.
@Ezem12 жыл бұрын
sorry just saw how lol.......my ba
@WowPoker2 жыл бұрын
Good luck with your studies and at the tables!
@Ezem12 жыл бұрын
sorry follow up question how u get d 28:44 ratio?
@WowPoker2 жыл бұрын
I made a typo in the PowerPoint and since I was just reading from my notes when I recorded the video I didn’t notice.
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At like 19:10 why wouldn't you count the other 9s and 10s in the deck as part of your outs?
Ehh okay wait would it only become an out if a 9 or a 10 is pulled on the turn? I think I get it
in the last example the call is a bit closer because we are only beating 34 combos not 44 which makes it 14:17 which is significantly less than 7:11 but we still win more than 40% (pot odds)
Great Video, but you did make a mistake at the end if I'm not mistaken. 12 + 16 + 6 should add up to only 34, lowering your odds of winning to 34/(27+34)≈55%. Still a great video and an immense help!
18:53 why are you not accounting for two 9s and 10s as outs to win?
because hitting a 9 or 10 on the turn will not make them win, it does give you more outs to win on the river though
Wouldn’t the first example be 3:1?
12+16+6 is 34 not 44. Changes the Equity value.
yeah, i also commented that, but it is still a call because we beat about 55% of the opponents range, which is still more than the odds (40%)
I wonder if GTO's take an average of these 2 EV calculations to balance equity when factoring in combos/blockers.
not that I'd have the time to calculate both, maybe best to do 1 or the other in different spots keep it in mind ;-;
Thanks for making the video.
How much of an advantage would be gained from seeing the exposed A♠️ K♣️? Given there’s two less unseen cards.
Wait,I have always seen pot odds as risk versus reward. Pot has one, villain bets one, then I am risking 1 to win 3-- as I have to put 1 in to win.
Wouldn’t a call in the second example depend on your stack size? Because it’s significantly reducing the reward? Is the math just adding it up and ignoring he shoved?
im stupid i know: on Fractions; why is it exactly 3 divided bt the pot odds?
Very good lesson
Great lesson!! Thanks. Any tricks to calculating Hand vs Range live at a table in the moment? Also, the problem dealing with only percentages is that the cash size of the bet impacts your bankroll. You can win 4 out of 5 hands, so 80% of the time, but still lose money if the losing bet was greater than all your wins...Anyway to manage that in the calculations?
Thanks mate , please make more of these , you havent make one like 2 years :/
This is the most well put together little course I have ever seen! Well done
Great job dude
Thank you for this and your math videos 🙏🏼
Great videos and break downs. Thank you for providing this.
Great video ty!
The best poker math lessons I've seen
Loved the video. I do not understand at 27 mins into it how there are 6 possible flush draws when the flop, turn and river are out and there are only 2 hearts. If the opponent only as 2 cards, the best possible case for a flush is only 4 hearts, not enough. What am I not understanding? Also, can normal people do all that in their heads while playing? Figuring out the math is pretty easy, but figuring out all the possible ways one could win or lose is difficult to do so quickly, no? Are there any tricks for doing that?
Man this is great! Why you stopped recording videos?
The pot odds will always be below 50% right [since risk < 1/2 (reward + risk) => bet < 1/2 (pot + bet) + bet => bet < 1/2 (2 * bet + pot) < bet + 1/2 pot], then what is the number you really use to decide when to bet? It seemed like you bet even when the pot odds were close to 50%.
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for the example, why dont we have more outs? what if we hit 9 9 on the flush and river, or 10 10, or 9 10? 2 pair and 3 of kind beats pair of aces. Or do we calculate outs to get the nuts, the absolute best hand? confusion lol
because even if you hit a 9 or a 10 on the turn, you are not ahead, you do have more outs on the river though, which you can calculate. so for example, if he hits a 9 on the turn, he has additonal 5 more going into the river. (9 (flush) + 3 (8s) + 2 (9s) +3 (10s)) x 2 = 36%
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how do you account for other players at the tables cards
amazing
How can I possibly calculate this in a Live game? Is it even possible/necessary?
Literally what I’m wondering
I used to play blackjack for a living. I put a lot of time and effort into that. But nothing compared to excelling at poker, which I’m just getting into now.
I hope wow comes back one day. Great guy. GG has got a lot bigger since back then
Your math was off on the Hand Versus Range example. 12 combos of (T9) + 16 combos of (54) + 6 flush draws = 34 hands we beat to 27 hands we lose to. Since we're still winning ~55% of the time vs this range and we only need 40% equity to profitably call it's still an easy call, but it is a bit closer than you showed in the video Still thanks for the super helpful video
this actually helped me out a lot. thank you!
utterly confusing. i appreciate the effort, of course, but you lost me. (i went to college). For instance, at 12:24...which is the summation of pot odds...you have a bullet that says "If you are calling....will never be more than 50%". WHAT will never be more than 50%? And why don't you express 7:3 as 3.33:1? All of a sudden the common ratio of X:1 is abandoned. You introduced ratios as X:1 in previous slides.
Great video, only thing I noticed was wrong is the Hand vs Range slide where you say 12+6+6=44 It is 34
This is one of the best Poker Math lessons, if not THE Best. Thanks alot!
Excellent video on a subject that I have struggled with in the past (heck, who am I kidding, I still struggle now). I loved the slow, step by step explanation that took me to a final end point that is actually covering a lot of complex stuff (at least to me) yet made it understandable. This video actually made me want to run some hand samples through on paper and work out the math. Nice job !
12:00 how can it not be more than 50%? consider a pot of 1 and a bet of 3. Then you need to win 75% of the time to break even.
SOLVED: You are risking 3 to win 4. So actually you need to win 3/7 of the time to break even. 3/7(4) - (4/7)(3) = 0. The reason it never exceeds 50% is that you win at least the other person's bet + what is in the pot, and the other person's bet is always never less than what you are putting in. In other words, the reward is always at least the risk.
Poker is 40% skills 60% luck 🍀 you don’t need to be mathematically good to figure this just play and have fun
For the question 19:00 wouldn’t there be more outs? Like catching two additional 10’s or 9’s?
Runner runner outs like this add very little extra equity to your hand and are more difficult to calculate. You have to multiply the percent of the time you hit your out on the turn and the percent of the time you hit your out on this river. So, for your example there are 6 10s or 9s left in the deck on the turn. That is (rough calculation) 12%. IF you hit that out on the turn then you have 5 10s or 9s on the river. That is (again rough calculation) 10%. So. 0.12 x 0.10 = 0.012 = 1.2%. So, the outs do count for something but not really enough to worry about and it makes the calculations too difficult for a beginner video. However, if you have a runner runner flush draw or open ended straight draw, you can typically add 1 out to your calculations on the turn. Hope that helps. Good luck at the tables!
@@WowPoker that’s what I figured, appreciate the explanation and reply !
What happens if the pot is 80,000. Player bets 20,000. Reward is 100,000 and risk is 20,000. Should it be 10:2 or will it be 1:2 since we take all the zeros.
The first answer is correct. You have to remove the same number of zeros from both sides so sometimes one side will be left with a zero.
While playing you don't have time to do all this math. So how do you really apply this when playing?
With practice these calculations only take a few seconds. At first it is slow which is why you should do them a lot when you are studying when learning poker and then when you play it is almost instant. Or you can memorize the common bet sizes and pot odds.
sorry just saw how lol.......my ba
Good luck with your studies and at the tables!
sorry follow up question how u get d 28:44 ratio?
I made a typo in the PowerPoint and since I was just reading from my notes when I recorded the video I didn’t notice.
@@WowPoker so it is 34 or 44?
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