I think a lot of the confusion comes from tanneries wanting to imitate the look of old "traditional" stingray. Stingray was tanned long before we started farm raising them. Native or "wild" rays, particularly larger species, have a more pronounced section of these calcium nodules called "placoid scales". In traditional tanning, these nodules were "barrel sanded" or "plane sanded". Due to the nodules being higher in the middle, as they are sanded down evenly, the larger nodules in the middle left a distinct "diamond" pattern... as the larger sanded nodules reveal undyed calium beneath the surface. It's very easy to tell the difference between a fake/painted "diamond" as shown in this video, because the lighter color goes all the way to the skin itself. Anyone who tries to sell you on any claim of authenticity from the "diamond" that colors the skin, is full of fertilizer.
@user-je5rf1pu7o3 ай бұрын
The blue is so beautiful
@Sam-gf1eb3 ай бұрын
When I saw the pictures with the white shape in the middle, I thought it was just a hole.
@alejandro69able4 ай бұрын
Looks better without the white diamond
@natiplans4 ай бұрын
🎉thank you I don’t like that they paint the eye white
@high_maintenance7 ай бұрын
I live in a nice neighborhood and a furniture store got rid of real leather scraps. I took them not knowing what the stingray was! Very beautiful interesting texture too
@rejiepark7 ай бұрын
great info
@Albanus358 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for clarifying!
@jzyer42309 ай бұрын
what kind of spray dye used in this kind of leather??
@felonebike985910 ай бұрын
Are the diamonds ever sanded on after the dying process?
@rondodson5736 Жыл бұрын
Interesting comment and opinion. I watched your video and personally i prefer the product with the white diamond, simply because it gives contrast to the leather and i think it looks better. Looking at your product it just seemed dull to me.
@Steve-se5zc Жыл бұрын
Are you able to dye the stingray leather yourself? Is it the same process as leather?
@eddie1199 Жыл бұрын
awesome vid i want to get some stingray boots but hate all have that white diamond i like the natural color
@cosmic-fortytwo Жыл бұрын
5:05 I totally agree with your choice to leave it off. The white diamond stencil painted on the leather makes it look like an eBay special. Souvenir from Bangkok.
@evertvandenberghe Жыл бұрын
Yeah! Tnx!!
@thewaltest Жыл бұрын
I just LOVE this. I have no idea why anyone would not want to enjoy them without the strange diamond!
@HEROICRacingApparel Жыл бұрын
Good on you Tom! Stingray Skin 101 - The pointed toe boots are from a Large to XL skin. That skin is off a fish that is 3.5 to 4 years old. Tiny beads deposits are off a young fish 1-1.5 years old. The beads are actually calcium deposits. The same calcium deposits that we scale off a boat every year. The calcium deposits grow every year the fish gets older. When you are buying skins; there are four finishes that you can purchase. Pearl Finished, Art Deco Finished, Art Nouveau Finish and Hard Finish Pearl Finished - a soft tan, un sanded and the pearls are grainy. They are coated with poly urethane and you use this for high end leather goods. Art Deco Finish - a soft tan, Sanded, semi smooth grained, coated with poly urethane and the finish looks glossy - Use is for furniture, interior design and art deco projects Art Nouveau - a soft tan, sanded, smooth grained and finished with a WAX polish - Use is for contemporary furniture, interior design and art deco projects Hard Finished - hard tanned, un sanded, pear-like grain, no coating and matte. Uses would be for antique restoration when restoring old stingray projects that has the top coat worn off with time. The biggest reality or the lie in the industry!!!! The Tiger Eye! The tiger eye is manufactured folks. I hear MANY salesman say that this piece is worth this much more because of the uniqueness of the skin on the boots are identical on each boot. The reason it is identical; the same template was used on hundreds of skins to get that tiger eye. First the area of the tiger eye is colored white. Then the stencil is placed over the white and then a template is placed on the top; generally in a diamond shape and the rest of the boot is colored; black, grey, tan, brown, green, red; whatever color the customer wants the design to look like. Then a poly-urethane is sprayed on top to give that shiny look! Sorry to burst the bubble! Natural stingray pelts are a grayish color in appearance :). HEROIC Racing Apparel uses stingray skin on the crash area of our racing gloves and on our race suits on the hip and the elbow of the suits. The stingray skin of an adult stingray will slide on asphalt 650ft before wearing through to the foam. We use Pearl Finished skins without the manufactured tiger eye! :)
@gnarkillgnarkill7725 Жыл бұрын
YES.
@ishanbarma5413 Жыл бұрын
How much does a stingray leather wallet cost ? Do u deliver to India ?
@rondodson5736 Жыл бұрын
Depends on where you buy it. Here in Thailand a ladies wallet will sell fro between $100 and $300 American dollars. Can find them listed in stores differently. I bought one for my wife last month priced at about $135, but they were having a sale and paid $100 for it.
@JimIBobIJones Жыл бұрын
Its not painted on - at least it shouldn't be. The diamond is usually made by grinding down and polishing the "pearl" nodules.
@kevinsparks3635 Жыл бұрын
The one with a dimond looks alot better quality. You should probably find a new place to have yours tanned.
@alejandroavila9940 Жыл бұрын
Is this available for iphone 11?
@sherwin4ever Жыл бұрын
I thought their whole body is covered by those beautiful scales. I didn't know those pearls were originally spikes. Nice video!! 😊😁👍❤❤❤
@sherwin4ever Жыл бұрын
It's very obvious to spot where the pearls are. I prefer stingray leather not to have those diamond designs, it makes them look feminine and childish. It truly ruins the stingray product especially if it has a very beautiful painting or illustration. It's also an attention grabber on bags and ruins the time for your eyes to appreciate the shape of the bag.
@WarriorNotesLatino Жыл бұрын
The diamond shape is silly IMO.
@lamarpatterson7572 Жыл бұрын
Vid could’ve been 3mins lol
@hilldwler420 Жыл бұрын
I first saw the “diamond “ in the wrapping of antique samurai sword handles.
@waffaputri2662 Жыл бұрын
wow very nice. I process stingrays. part of the stingray is not wasted, all can be used. from good skin can be made into furniture and others, can also be made into noodles from stingray skin, salted fish or dried fish. even the peeling sand can be made like carbon kevlar. send regards for success
@sapphosplace18782 жыл бұрын
Didn't come here to learn this, but I still wanted to take the time to say thank you for such a well done explanation. Content like this represents the best of KZread.
@pdswrld52002 жыл бұрын
5:25 Fact: Some ppl does love the white diamond on stingray products Specially on boots that we love within the Mexican community but don't get me wrong some do like the natural that I've know about & with diamond or simply natural they are both nice👌🏼✌🏼
@RAJASEKAR-jg3bm2 жыл бұрын
How sting ray skins are tanned
@rubenc78582 жыл бұрын
I always wondered about that
@kornflakes32 жыл бұрын
Are you still in business?
@toadsage2 жыл бұрын
I don't think so. Went to their website and it says the domain name is up for sale
@rondodson5736 Жыл бұрын
@@toadsage I guess the majority of people thought the diamond looks better.
@Eristhenes2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for such a succinct explanation. I was searching for an explanation of the different styles of stingray hide I have no affinity for the diamond or the "pearls". I prefer the sanded hide; it makes the skin shimmer as if it has sequins :)
@rickyy00062 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@jlett72 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the info! I have a pair of stingray boots with the white diamond, and the white diamond has started to fade. What can I use to brighten it up or re-dye it?
@dmounce55132 жыл бұрын
Are you still making these? Bought one roughly 10 years ago and the stitching finally gave way in some of the internal pockets. Would like to purchase another but the website is no longer up.
@rondodson5736 Жыл бұрын
I live in Thailand and many stores here offer them for sale. Haven't checked in other Asian countries so do not know if they market this product.
@dmounce5513 Жыл бұрын
@rondodson5736 yeah I have bought some since then. This particular one seemed to be better quality than any of the others I have found. Kinda showed the difference between a man working for himself and making a couple a day versus a guy in a factory being paid by the hour and being pushed to kick out 50 of them a day.
@arturopatxeco55512 жыл бұрын
I learned a couple weeks ago fishing off the imperial beach pier that stingrays are shark not fish.
@Smb122332 жыл бұрын
The diamond is hideous imo. All of my stingray I get made without it
@mackm38752 жыл бұрын
That's good info. I actually 5hink the white diamond is cool tho if done tastefully, like Galco Holsters.
@ndoghouse68533 жыл бұрын
Ive seeen a lot of stingrays in my life but never heard of such a diamond. Sounds like complete BS if I had heard it tho. I love stingray meat and so do sharks.
@rex10303 жыл бұрын
Isn't it more likely that the diamond area is where the calcium beads have been sanded down and reveal their natural color...
@davidvang33103 жыл бұрын
Imagine an alien race farming and skinning us for our skin and then them debating if our skins are actually from our skin
@Galopo Жыл бұрын
No weirder than cow hide, just another product of nature. IMO
@BoleDaPole8 ай бұрын
Stingray are animals and not sentient beings. Your comparison is flawed and emotionally driven. Though it might surprise you that goods made of human leather has been used for centuries and is even sold today with high demand.
@agh53997 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@DS-nl8ci3 ай бұрын
@@BoleDaPole Of course they are sentient, this is straight anti-scientific. They have nervous systems and pain receptors and behavioural patterns that undoubtedly indicate sentience and consciousness. If an argument is acccompanied by emotions or not does not change the truth value of a point, so it is irrelevant if an argument is emotional motivated or not.
@user-je5rf1pu7o3 ай бұрын
I always knew it was called human leather but I didn't know it came from actual humans... Trippy
@hammerhead7193 жыл бұрын
Thank you for educating me in this very question I was asking myself and my wife I even tried Google and it said nothing to the depth and clarity you just explained. I've seen your wallets and tried to find your webpage I've been directed to not currently available etc.. I will get to your site as I've been wanting a stingray wallet.
@oceano_drive2413 жыл бұрын
Can you answer the difference between Stingray boots that have the white diamond, and those that have a white line? Does it have anything to do with male=diamond shape, and female=line?
@yoyochill243 жыл бұрын
May I ask if the stingray is from salt water or fresh water? Is the leather of fresh water stingray better than the ones from the ocean? I
@eddiehsueh48613 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this information been looking for this. I am looking for the process of spraying the dye using a template. I wanted to spray a logo on a piece of stingray, but I have not been able to find any information anywhere. What type of dye, what the process is, etc. Any information appreciated.
@drpablovazquez3 жыл бұрын
the white "diamond" looks horrible, I cannot believe someone came up with this idea hahahahah such a bad taste
@2stroketyson793 жыл бұрын
I actually hate when they put the white diamond on it! they ruin what little hide exist in the first place
@oksanavladimirovna14233 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining. I thought the white is painted on. Didn't know why. But it looked cheap. I do prefer the even color look better.
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I think a lot of the confusion comes from tanneries wanting to imitate the look of old "traditional" stingray. Stingray was tanned long before we started farm raising them. Native or "wild" rays, particularly larger species, have a more pronounced section of these calcium nodules called "placoid scales". In traditional tanning, these nodules were "barrel sanded" or "plane sanded". Due to the nodules being higher in the middle, as they are sanded down evenly, the larger nodules in the middle left a distinct "diamond" pattern... as the larger sanded nodules reveal undyed calium beneath the surface. It's very easy to tell the difference between a fake/painted "diamond" as shown in this video, because the lighter color goes all the way to the skin itself. Anyone who tries to sell you on any claim of authenticity from the "diamond" that colors the skin, is full of fertilizer.
The blue is so beautiful
When I saw the pictures with the white shape in the middle, I thought it was just a hole.
Looks better without the white diamond
🎉thank you I don’t like that they paint the eye white
I live in a nice neighborhood and a furniture store got rid of real leather scraps. I took them not knowing what the stingray was! Very beautiful interesting texture too
great info
Thank you so much for clarifying!
what kind of spray dye used in this kind of leather??
Are the diamonds ever sanded on after the dying process?
Interesting comment and opinion. I watched your video and personally i prefer the product with the white diamond, simply because it gives contrast to the leather and i think it looks better. Looking at your product it just seemed dull to me.
Are you able to dye the stingray leather yourself? Is it the same process as leather?
awesome vid i want to get some stingray boots but hate all have that white diamond i like the natural color
5:05 I totally agree with your choice to leave it off. The white diamond stencil painted on the leather makes it look like an eBay special. Souvenir from Bangkok.
Yeah! Tnx!!
I just LOVE this. I have no idea why anyone would not want to enjoy them without the strange diamond!
Good on you Tom! Stingray Skin 101 - The pointed toe boots are from a Large to XL skin. That skin is off a fish that is 3.5 to 4 years old. Tiny beads deposits are off a young fish 1-1.5 years old. The beads are actually calcium deposits. The same calcium deposits that we scale off a boat every year. The calcium deposits grow every year the fish gets older. When you are buying skins; there are four finishes that you can purchase. Pearl Finished, Art Deco Finished, Art Nouveau Finish and Hard Finish Pearl Finished - a soft tan, un sanded and the pearls are grainy. They are coated with poly urethane and you use this for high end leather goods. Art Deco Finish - a soft tan, Sanded, semi smooth grained, coated with poly urethane and the finish looks glossy - Use is for furniture, interior design and art deco projects Art Nouveau - a soft tan, sanded, smooth grained and finished with a WAX polish - Use is for contemporary furniture, interior design and art deco projects Hard Finished - hard tanned, un sanded, pear-like grain, no coating and matte. Uses would be for antique restoration when restoring old stingray projects that has the top coat worn off with time. The biggest reality or the lie in the industry!!!! The Tiger Eye! The tiger eye is manufactured folks. I hear MANY salesman say that this piece is worth this much more because of the uniqueness of the skin on the boots are identical on each boot. The reason it is identical; the same template was used on hundreds of skins to get that tiger eye. First the area of the tiger eye is colored white. Then the stencil is placed over the white and then a template is placed on the top; generally in a diamond shape and the rest of the boot is colored; black, grey, tan, brown, green, red; whatever color the customer wants the design to look like. Then a poly-urethane is sprayed on top to give that shiny look! Sorry to burst the bubble! Natural stingray pelts are a grayish color in appearance :). HEROIC Racing Apparel uses stingray skin on the crash area of our racing gloves and on our race suits on the hip and the elbow of the suits. The stingray skin of an adult stingray will slide on asphalt 650ft before wearing through to the foam. We use Pearl Finished skins without the manufactured tiger eye! :)
YES.
How much does a stingray leather wallet cost ? Do u deliver to India ?
Depends on where you buy it. Here in Thailand a ladies wallet will sell fro between $100 and $300 American dollars. Can find them listed in stores differently. I bought one for my wife last month priced at about $135, but they were having a sale and paid $100 for it.
Its not painted on - at least it shouldn't be. The diamond is usually made by grinding down and polishing the "pearl" nodules.
The one with a dimond looks alot better quality. You should probably find a new place to have yours tanned.
Is this available for iphone 11?
I thought their whole body is covered by those beautiful scales. I didn't know those pearls were originally spikes. Nice video!! 😊😁👍❤❤❤
It's very obvious to spot where the pearls are. I prefer stingray leather not to have those diamond designs, it makes them look feminine and childish. It truly ruins the stingray product especially if it has a very beautiful painting or illustration. It's also an attention grabber on bags and ruins the time for your eyes to appreciate the shape of the bag.
The diamond shape is silly IMO.
Vid could’ve been 3mins lol
I first saw the “diamond “ in the wrapping of antique samurai sword handles.
wow very nice. I process stingrays. part of the stingray is not wasted, all can be used. from good skin can be made into furniture and others, can also be made into noodles from stingray skin, salted fish or dried fish. even the peeling sand can be made like carbon kevlar. send regards for success
Didn't come here to learn this, but I still wanted to take the time to say thank you for such a well done explanation. Content like this represents the best of KZread.
5:25 Fact: Some ppl does love the white diamond on stingray products Specially on boots that we love within the Mexican community but don't get me wrong some do like the natural that I've know about & with diamond or simply natural they are both nice👌🏼✌🏼
How sting ray skins are tanned
I always wondered about that
Are you still in business?
I don't think so. Went to their website and it says the domain name is up for sale
@@toadsage I guess the majority of people thought the diamond looks better.
Thank you for such a succinct explanation. I was searching for an explanation of the different styles of stingray hide I have no affinity for the diamond or the "pearls". I prefer the sanded hide; it makes the skin shimmer as if it has sequins :)
Awesome!
Thank you so much for the info! I have a pair of stingray boots with the white diamond, and the white diamond has started to fade. What can I use to brighten it up or re-dye it?
Are you still making these? Bought one roughly 10 years ago and the stitching finally gave way in some of the internal pockets. Would like to purchase another but the website is no longer up.
I live in Thailand and many stores here offer them for sale. Haven't checked in other Asian countries so do not know if they market this product.
@rondodson5736 yeah I have bought some since then. This particular one seemed to be better quality than any of the others I have found. Kinda showed the difference between a man working for himself and making a couple a day versus a guy in a factory being paid by the hour and being pushed to kick out 50 of them a day.
I learned a couple weeks ago fishing off the imperial beach pier that stingrays are shark not fish.
The diamond is hideous imo. All of my stingray I get made without it
That's good info. I actually 5hink the white diamond is cool tho if done tastefully, like Galco Holsters.
Ive seeen a lot of stingrays in my life but never heard of such a diamond. Sounds like complete BS if I had heard it tho. I love stingray meat and so do sharks.
Isn't it more likely that the diamond area is where the calcium beads have been sanded down and reveal their natural color...
Imagine an alien race farming and skinning us for our skin and then them debating if our skins are actually from our skin
No weirder than cow hide, just another product of nature. IMO
Stingray are animals and not sentient beings. Your comparison is flawed and emotionally driven. Though it might surprise you that goods made of human leather has been used for centuries and is even sold today with high demand.
😂😂😂😂😂
@@BoleDaPole Of course they are sentient, this is straight anti-scientific. They have nervous systems and pain receptors and behavioural patterns that undoubtedly indicate sentience and consciousness. If an argument is acccompanied by emotions or not does not change the truth value of a point, so it is irrelevant if an argument is emotional motivated or not.
I always knew it was called human leather but I didn't know it came from actual humans... Trippy
Thank you for educating me in this very question I was asking myself and my wife I even tried Google and it said nothing to the depth and clarity you just explained. I've seen your wallets and tried to find your webpage I've been directed to not currently available etc.. I will get to your site as I've been wanting a stingray wallet.
Can you answer the difference between Stingray boots that have the white diamond, and those that have a white line? Does it have anything to do with male=diamond shape, and female=line?
May I ask if the stingray is from salt water or fresh water? Is the leather of fresh water stingray better than the ones from the ocean? I
Thank you for this information been looking for this. I am looking for the process of spraying the dye using a template. I wanted to spray a logo on a piece of stingray, but I have not been able to find any information anywhere. What type of dye, what the process is, etc. Any information appreciated.
the white "diamond" looks horrible, I cannot believe someone came up with this idea hahahahah such a bad taste
I actually hate when they put the white diamond on it! they ruin what little hide exist in the first place
Thank you for explaining. I thought the white is painted on. Didn't know why. But it looked cheap. I do prefer the even color look better.