Demoed 4m and 5m halo. 4m much better overall little too much flutter on the 5m. the boom could def be a bit better material.
@andreannovakov9410Күн бұрын
Thank you for your comment! I tend to agree on the boom material, after a 4 hour session I came out with blisters on my right hand. This never happened with Duotone handles.
@scp84122 күн бұрын
Ah interesting! I wanted to switch from my razor to 880 to gain glide! Thanks for that review!!
@foiling_jp3 күн бұрын
Does this mean that the HA880 is less likely to stall and is easier to handle, but its speed is slower than the HA925?
@andreannovakov94103 күн бұрын
You've got it 100%, 880 is slower than 925 and with lower stall speed. I no longer ride the HA wings unless it's sub 10kts, mostly ride DWP series now and trying out other brands as replacement down the road
@foiling_jp2 күн бұрын
@@andreannovakov9410 Thank you. :) I like the HA925, so I'll wait and see before replacing it.
@schwitzberger73256 күн бұрын
hey thx... my connection is also a little loser than the regular sabfoil 83mk mast. I will write sabfoil as well as I just got this foil combo...
@fluiditynz12 күн бұрын
I don't ride any manufacturer's front or rear wings(I make my own) but SAABfoil front connection to wing is much weaker than Armstrong. The comments about how high you can ride should be corrected to being about ability and stabiliser efficiency, size and distance behind mast. I used to think Axis crazyshort fuselage was on the short side but from late last year I ride the Axis Advance Crazy short and find it great with just my own diy 300 sqcm stabiliser and my own front wings. One of my friends rides Armstrong and his fuselage is about a 1/3'rd longer than mine, he has more ability than me but the length of his Armstrong fuselage seems excessive. My impressions about SAABFOIL have been that they are primarily focussed on race. Armstrong are based in NZ as am I and their owner wouldn't tolerate flimsy design, I've heard he surfs too close to rocks and I understand it, when you make the foils you ride, every foil is a learning opportunity for that design iteration and scratching it up is OK if you can fix it! Ultimately you have to choose the best foils fit for the locations you ride. If that's big slow waves then it's going to be about agility of the foil. If it's small fast waves then it's about a fast foil. If you have trade winds then glide is not as important as if you have a gusty location like I do. I suspect I know why you report SABFOIL Razor Pro as having surfier feel than the Armstrong HA and it's probably from 2 subtle differences. The Armstrong foil tips are more forward than those of the SAAB and likely thicker. This makes them less pitch-steering responsive. My current lastest and favorite design is lower aspect ratio than these, around 7.9 However I did that on purpose. Big sweep back, big chord reduction towards the tips and extra thinning closer to the wingtips. One session on it and I absolutely love it's speed and handling of everything I tried with it. Understand when comparing Armstrong and SAABFOIL that speed and glide are not everything. It's matching your use case and your local conditions to the foil that best fits. If you work your foils hard in waves then be sure you have kit that can handle the stresses of those huge leverages.
@andreannovakov941012 күн бұрын
Thank you for the thoughtful comments, I agree with most of your points. The fact that you’re manufacturing your own front and rear wings is absolutely amazing! I tried to compare both kits as they have similar dimensions, and fuselage length is a couple of centimeters apart, I feel that pitch stability in this particular case comes from front wing geometry more so than fuselage length difference. My POV is strictly based on winging in South Florida conditions which are 8-12 kts at best…so glide is one of the most important elements when evaluating foils…and at my beginner level. SABFOIL 975 front wing has a very unique geometry, glide is closer to my old ART PRO 1051 (which was at the top of my quiver) and turnability of a smaller wing. The issue with the stabilizer-mast fitment comes from the fact that SABFOIL are trying new anodized graphite alloy that is supposed to be super light and stiff, but difficult to manufacture. I sent the mast and fuselage back to SABFOIL, eager to see what they determine after inspecting the parts. Based on the video I sent them, SABFOIL said the connection has too much play…we’ll see. Thank you again and hope to see you on the water one day 😊
@NeuralEngin33r13 күн бұрын
Thanks, I appreciate your comparison.
@zbindenren14 күн бұрын
Waiting for the sabfoil review 😊
@andreannovakov941013 күн бұрын
Thank you for your comment! SABFOIL asked me to send the mast and fuselage back to them, so it would be awhile before I get it back. Will do a full review once I get it back.
@zbindenren13 күн бұрын
No worries. I am still a beginner and learning to gybe with my beginner gear (gong). But I plan to buy into sabfoil system later on.
@KevinKerin-mf8uuАй бұрын
Thanks for the review can you give my your comments on tails how was the 195 tail was it worth changing to the 180 tail as I have a 195 tail. Kevin
@andreannovakov9410Ай бұрын
Hi Kevin - thank you for your comment! The 180 tail felt faster on the 925 rig when I was first tested things. I would say the 180 switch is worth it.
@glfmkgАй бұрын
how does this wing compares to the Core XC? I'm debating if the investment in material is worth it
@andreannovakov9410Ай бұрын
I haven't tried Core XC so I couldn't answer that question. However, I recently tried 2024 Duotone Unit D-Lab and it felt closer to the Core Halo, more balanced and lower end power. I still believe Core Halo Pro has more grunt and is lighter. In all cases I would recommend any Aluula wing before regular dacron. Hope this helps and thank you!
@glfmkgАй бұрын
@@andreannovakov9410 thank you.
@TheGalagona2 ай бұрын
Very interesting review, What’s your weight?
@andreannovakov9410Ай бұрын
I am about 70kg at the moment. If I am using my downwind board, Core Halo can get me up on 9+ kts, if on my sinker need 12+ kts. Hope this helps and thank you!
@alchemycannaco30172 ай бұрын
Finally some more reviews on the Halo thanks! Would love to see a review against the new Dyneema wings
@ginodavid96612 ай бұрын
Hi I’m currently winging ma1225, ha 1125 and ha925 (kitefoil and higher winds) 155 pounds. Wonderful review! Are you able to comment how the 880 is compared to ha1125 and ma1225? Wondering if I can just get the 880 or if 980 better. Winds mostly 12-25mph.
@andreannovakov94102 ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment! I've only tried MA1000 from the MA series, so won't be able to compare the 1225. However, with certainty can tell you that HA880 for your weight can be your go-to foil for light wind days. I got the HA780 and use it for anything 10+ kts. I believe the HA980 would be too large for your weight. Hope this helps and thank you again!
@dr.ericvanek28184 ай бұрын
I echo your experiences... i was extremely close to purchasing a D/LAB wing but thankfully ended up with the Core Halo. This is 100% worth the investment when you have already got some basics down and are ready to push the envelope in waves and light wind. I tried a lot of different equipment (Duotone wings, but not the D/LAB) & definitely think the bar is a must for me in waves.... being able to wing with one hand is really an advantage in waves and light wind & ALuuLa is an amazing material. I'm really happy to see it being utilized across all brands.
@andreannovakov94104 ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment! My local Duotone is going to let me try 4, 5 and 6M 2024 D-LABS, once I get to compare the 2024 models will do another side-by-side review. Thanks for watching!
@secondlife79764 ай бұрын
Oh VK 😀
@buenacloud4 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for the review. What is the material of the canopy of the core? Is it something durable like the Mode3 of Duotone or something else?
@andreannovakov94104 ай бұрын
Thank you! The CORE canopy material is very similar to the 2023 D-LAB canopy, seems to have similar thickness and weight. The wing itself (as a whole) is lighter than the D-LAB.
@buenacloud4 ай бұрын
@@andreannovakov9410 Thank you for your prompt response. I'm curious about the canopy, particularly because models such as the F-One V2 and the Unit 2022, even those equipped with the Aluula frame, sold out quickly. Starting with the Mod3 in Units or the HiTex with the Strike V3, the canopy has become more durable and lasts longer.
@andreannovakov94104 ай бұрын
@@buenacloud I can't speak to CORE durability yet as I had the wing for about a month. What I can tell you for sure is that 2023 Duotone D-LAB canopy is extremely durable. It took a full-force foil impact to puncture the canopy. I've had many cases where my entire body falls on to the Unit, the wing is perfectly fine. '23 D-LABs are very, very durable
@buenacloud4 ай бұрын
@@andreannovakov9410 Yes, I switched to Unit '24 last year, and although they may be slightly heavier than the Strikes, for example, they are definitely more durable. The new Takoon VX is also said to be more durable. I asked about the canopy material with Takoon, but they didn't provide a specific answer, only stating that it is more durable than the Unit's.
@tibormozes39934 ай бұрын
Awesome, super useful review, thanks Andrean!
@stanleyshino4 ай бұрын
Great review..! may i know how meavy you are..?
5 ай бұрын
Great review. Looking forward to part III
@tc1585 ай бұрын
I'm 195lbs and riding an 1125 right now as my daily driver. You think the 880 will be enough for me? I tried the 925 and it was too much work to get me up.
@andreannovakov94105 ай бұрын
I am confident the 880 would an adequate replacement of the 1125. I did have the 1125 for about a year and can tell you in terms of lift and speed the 880 is super close to the 1125. Glide might be a bit less that 1125, but you'll gain a lot of maneuverability and perhaps give you better surfing experience. This is with the 180 tail...I am about to try the 880 with 140 tail, which would change the mix a bit. Hope this helps
@asquared016 ай бұрын
Thank you - excellent overview. I come from the MA1000 and prior to that, a 925. After using an 880 for about three weeks, my thoughts are very much in line with yours (even though you compare the 880 with the 925). I, too, suspect that a 780 would be a daily driver for me. I have ordered a 680 and might use that for most days where I wing and keep the 880 for lighter days.
@andreannovakov94106 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I would be very curious to see how the 780 performs. Personally, I would hold off on buying new Armstrong gear until I am 100% sure that 780 is truly on par with the 925, my biggest fear is that 780 won't have the glide of 925. I am seriously considering expanding my ART PRO quiver and if that happens would be difficult to invest more into Armstrong. Please let me know how the 680 goes
@Stefan-Foil6 ай бұрын
Yes after testing the 880 I got the same experience. Yes I think the 780 is comparable to the 925 in lift but remember these new HAs are developed for prone surfing not winging so have slower speed optimized section, good pumping and turning. I expect new wing performance HA will be next.
@andreannovakov94106 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment! In my mind 1550 and 925 were the two foils that made Armstrong popular, while there was a natural successor of the original 1550 there was none for the 925. It almost seems that a void is created with the new HA series, many people would not be willing to sacrifice speed and glide. Would be awesome if Armstrong come up with a new performance HA lineup, but they may lose some of their customer base to Axis ART PRO
@bastialdehoff77795 ай бұрын
@@andreannovakov9410 have you tried the DWP 685? Should be more comparable to the ART Pros
@andreannovakov94105 ай бұрын
@@bastialdehoff7779 I haven't tried the 685 yet. If you have, what do you think of the 685? I am contemplating on trading the 880 for 755, awaiting one final head-high session before I finally rule out the 880 as part of my quiver
@Stefan-Foil5 ай бұрын
@@andreannovakov9410 I have the dwp755, it has lots of high speed glide, basically everything the HAv2 lack. BUT, it doesn't like really like choppy turbulent water and also get sketchy in breaking waves, so the usage is more limited to DW swell ride or flatwater. The 685 may be better for winging than the 755
@andreannovakov94105 ай бұрын
@@Stefan-Foil Thanks for sharing your 755 experience. Seems like the Armstrong DWPs are very similar to the ART PROs. What you outlined as 755 drawbacks are the reasons I did not switch entirely to ART PROs...yet.
@odedlicht616 ай бұрын
Hi Andrean Great video looks like amazing spot. I’ll be there with my family next month wondering should I bring my gear from NY or can rent maybe a board and bring the rest ? Also how deep is the reef ? Thanks
@andreannovakov94106 ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment! I would definitely recommend bringing your gear, I don't know if there's a place to rent wing foil gear in Punta Cana. The reef is super shallow and getting back in is super tricky, please be careful going past the reef. Within the reef is nice, the only thing to watch out for is boat traffic. Enjoy DR!
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Demoed 4m and 5m halo. 4m much better overall little too much flutter on the 5m. the boom could def be a bit better material.
Thank you for your comment! I tend to agree on the boom material, after a 4 hour session I came out with blisters on my right hand. This never happened with Duotone handles.
Ah interesting! I wanted to switch from my razor to 880 to gain glide! Thanks for that review!!
Does this mean that the HA880 is less likely to stall and is easier to handle, but its speed is slower than the HA925?
You've got it 100%, 880 is slower than 925 and with lower stall speed. I no longer ride the HA wings unless it's sub 10kts, mostly ride DWP series now and trying out other brands as replacement down the road
@@andreannovakov9410 Thank you. :) I like the HA925, so I'll wait and see before replacing it.
hey thx... my connection is also a little loser than the regular sabfoil 83mk mast. I will write sabfoil as well as I just got this foil combo...
I don't ride any manufacturer's front or rear wings(I make my own) but SAABfoil front connection to wing is much weaker than Armstrong. The comments about how high you can ride should be corrected to being about ability and stabiliser efficiency, size and distance behind mast. I used to think Axis crazyshort fuselage was on the short side but from late last year I ride the Axis Advance Crazy short and find it great with just my own diy 300 sqcm stabiliser and my own front wings. One of my friends rides Armstrong and his fuselage is about a 1/3'rd longer than mine, he has more ability than me but the length of his Armstrong fuselage seems excessive. My impressions about SAABFOIL have been that they are primarily focussed on race. Armstrong are based in NZ as am I and their owner wouldn't tolerate flimsy design, I've heard he surfs too close to rocks and I understand it, when you make the foils you ride, every foil is a learning opportunity for that design iteration and scratching it up is OK if you can fix it! Ultimately you have to choose the best foils fit for the locations you ride. If that's big slow waves then it's going to be about agility of the foil. If it's small fast waves then it's about a fast foil. If you have trade winds then glide is not as important as if you have a gusty location like I do. I suspect I know why you report SABFOIL Razor Pro as having surfier feel than the Armstrong HA and it's probably from 2 subtle differences. The Armstrong foil tips are more forward than those of the SAAB and likely thicker. This makes them less pitch-steering responsive. My current lastest and favorite design is lower aspect ratio than these, around 7.9 However I did that on purpose. Big sweep back, big chord reduction towards the tips and extra thinning closer to the wingtips. One session on it and I absolutely love it's speed and handling of everything I tried with it. Understand when comparing Armstrong and SAABFOIL that speed and glide are not everything. It's matching your use case and your local conditions to the foil that best fits. If you work your foils hard in waves then be sure you have kit that can handle the stresses of those huge leverages.
Thank you for the thoughtful comments, I agree with most of your points. The fact that you’re manufacturing your own front and rear wings is absolutely amazing! I tried to compare both kits as they have similar dimensions, and fuselage length is a couple of centimeters apart, I feel that pitch stability in this particular case comes from front wing geometry more so than fuselage length difference. My POV is strictly based on winging in South Florida conditions which are 8-12 kts at best…so glide is one of the most important elements when evaluating foils…and at my beginner level. SABFOIL 975 front wing has a very unique geometry, glide is closer to my old ART PRO 1051 (which was at the top of my quiver) and turnability of a smaller wing. The issue with the stabilizer-mast fitment comes from the fact that SABFOIL are trying new anodized graphite alloy that is supposed to be super light and stiff, but difficult to manufacture. I sent the mast and fuselage back to SABFOIL, eager to see what they determine after inspecting the parts. Based on the video I sent them, SABFOIL said the connection has too much play…we’ll see. Thank you again and hope to see you on the water one day 😊
Thanks, I appreciate your comparison.
Waiting for the sabfoil review 😊
Thank you for your comment! SABFOIL asked me to send the mast and fuselage back to them, so it would be awhile before I get it back. Will do a full review once I get it back.
No worries. I am still a beginner and learning to gybe with my beginner gear (gong). But I plan to buy into sabfoil system later on.
Thanks for the review can you give my your comments on tails how was the 195 tail was it worth changing to the 180 tail as I have a 195 tail. Kevin
Hi Kevin - thank you for your comment! The 180 tail felt faster on the 925 rig when I was first tested things. I would say the 180 switch is worth it.
how does this wing compares to the Core XC? I'm debating if the investment in material is worth it
I haven't tried Core XC so I couldn't answer that question. However, I recently tried 2024 Duotone Unit D-Lab and it felt closer to the Core Halo, more balanced and lower end power. I still believe Core Halo Pro has more grunt and is lighter. In all cases I would recommend any Aluula wing before regular dacron. Hope this helps and thank you!
@@andreannovakov9410 thank you.
Very interesting review, What’s your weight?
I am about 70kg at the moment. If I am using my downwind board, Core Halo can get me up on 9+ kts, if on my sinker need 12+ kts. Hope this helps and thank you!
Finally some more reviews on the Halo thanks! Would love to see a review against the new Dyneema wings
Hi I’m currently winging ma1225, ha 1125 and ha925 (kitefoil and higher winds) 155 pounds. Wonderful review! Are you able to comment how the 880 is compared to ha1125 and ma1225? Wondering if I can just get the 880 or if 980 better. Winds mostly 12-25mph.
Thank you for your comment! I've only tried MA1000 from the MA series, so won't be able to compare the 1225. However, with certainty can tell you that HA880 for your weight can be your go-to foil for light wind days. I got the HA780 and use it for anything 10+ kts. I believe the HA980 would be too large for your weight. Hope this helps and thank you again!
I echo your experiences... i was extremely close to purchasing a D/LAB wing but thankfully ended up with the Core Halo. This is 100% worth the investment when you have already got some basics down and are ready to push the envelope in waves and light wind. I tried a lot of different equipment (Duotone wings, but not the D/LAB) & definitely think the bar is a must for me in waves.... being able to wing with one hand is really an advantage in waves and light wind & ALuuLa is an amazing material. I'm really happy to see it being utilized across all brands.
Thank you for your comment! My local Duotone is going to let me try 4, 5 and 6M 2024 D-LABS, once I get to compare the 2024 models will do another side-by-side review. Thanks for watching!
Oh VK 😀
Hi, thanks for the review. What is the material of the canopy of the core? Is it something durable like the Mode3 of Duotone or something else?
Thank you! The CORE canopy material is very similar to the 2023 D-LAB canopy, seems to have similar thickness and weight. The wing itself (as a whole) is lighter than the D-LAB.
@@andreannovakov9410 Thank you for your prompt response. I'm curious about the canopy, particularly because models such as the F-One V2 and the Unit 2022, even those equipped with the Aluula frame, sold out quickly. Starting with the Mod3 in Units or the HiTex with the Strike V3, the canopy has become more durable and lasts longer.
@@buenacloud I can't speak to CORE durability yet as I had the wing for about a month. What I can tell you for sure is that 2023 Duotone D-LAB canopy is extremely durable. It took a full-force foil impact to puncture the canopy. I've had many cases where my entire body falls on to the Unit, the wing is perfectly fine. '23 D-LABs are very, very durable
@@andreannovakov9410 Yes, I switched to Unit '24 last year, and although they may be slightly heavier than the Strikes, for example, they are definitely more durable. The new Takoon VX is also said to be more durable. I asked about the canopy material with Takoon, but they didn't provide a specific answer, only stating that it is more durable than the Unit's.
Awesome, super useful review, thanks Andrean!
Great review..! may i know how meavy you are..?
Great review. Looking forward to part III
I'm 195lbs and riding an 1125 right now as my daily driver. You think the 880 will be enough for me? I tried the 925 and it was too much work to get me up.
I am confident the 880 would an adequate replacement of the 1125. I did have the 1125 for about a year and can tell you in terms of lift and speed the 880 is super close to the 1125. Glide might be a bit less that 1125, but you'll gain a lot of maneuverability and perhaps give you better surfing experience. This is with the 180 tail...I am about to try the 880 with 140 tail, which would change the mix a bit. Hope this helps
Thank you - excellent overview. I come from the MA1000 and prior to that, a 925. After using an 880 for about three weeks, my thoughts are very much in line with yours (even though you compare the 880 with the 925). I, too, suspect that a 780 would be a daily driver for me. I have ordered a 680 and might use that for most days where I wing and keep the 880 for lighter days.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I would be very curious to see how the 780 performs. Personally, I would hold off on buying new Armstrong gear until I am 100% sure that 780 is truly on par with the 925, my biggest fear is that 780 won't have the glide of 925. I am seriously considering expanding my ART PRO quiver and if that happens would be difficult to invest more into Armstrong. Please let me know how the 680 goes
Yes after testing the 880 I got the same experience. Yes I think the 780 is comparable to the 925 in lift but remember these new HAs are developed for prone surfing not winging so have slower speed optimized section, good pumping and turning. I expect new wing performance HA will be next.
Thanks for your comment! In my mind 1550 and 925 were the two foils that made Armstrong popular, while there was a natural successor of the original 1550 there was none for the 925. It almost seems that a void is created with the new HA series, many people would not be willing to sacrifice speed and glide. Would be awesome if Armstrong come up with a new performance HA lineup, but they may lose some of their customer base to Axis ART PRO
@@andreannovakov9410 have you tried the DWP 685? Should be more comparable to the ART Pros
@@bastialdehoff7779 I haven't tried the 685 yet. If you have, what do you think of the 685? I am contemplating on trading the 880 for 755, awaiting one final head-high session before I finally rule out the 880 as part of my quiver
@@andreannovakov9410 I have the dwp755, it has lots of high speed glide, basically everything the HAv2 lack. BUT, it doesn't like really like choppy turbulent water and also get sketchy in breaking waves, so the usage is more limited to DW swell ride or flatwater. The 685 may be better for winging than the 755
@@Stefan-Foil Thanks for sharing your 755 experience. Seems like the Armstrong DWPs are very similar to the ART PROs. What you outlined as 755 drawbacks are the reasons I did not switch entirely to ART PROs...yet.
Hi Andrean Great video looks like amazing spot. I’ll be there with my family next month wondering should I bring my gear from NY or can rent maybe a board and bring the rest ? Also how deep is the reef ? Thanks
Thank you for your comment! I would definitely recommend bringing your gear, I don't know if there's a place to rent wing foil gear in Punta Cana. The reef is super shallow and getting back in is super tricky, please be careful going past the reef. Within the reef is nice, the only thing to watch out for is boat traffic. Enjoy DR!
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏻