Great sounding speakers makes it easier to identify and thus control reverb, compressors, placement and depth. There is no doubt about that.
@BenedictRoffMarsh14 күн бұрын
I agree. That mindset has done so much damage to music overall. Apart from the studio where I trained there were (real) NS-10s, I have never used studio monitors. My first speakers were handmade with an 8" dual cone + piezo tweeter, no crossover is a light ply box ported by ear using the same technique as the harpsichords my father was building (from scratch). I got some of those pieces bounced to CD at a studio with massive Genelecs and it sounded fine to me and the engineer was complimentary. I knew those speakers because they were what I listened to all music on for years and years. I still use Jamo C803s with a Rotel A10 and while some (cheaper) "studio monitors" may be more flat (claimed ;-) I do just fine. I find that people who insist (like Nazi bullies) that you MUST use monitors, rarely have any work to show, and then if they do, it is bland, generic, flawed... None of the amazeballz Pro-ful-ness they insist must flow from their thoughtless rigidity. :-)
@clayteasouth19 күн бұрын
I liked the 102 on most things. 103 sounds slightly clearer but liked 102 overall.
@SoundAloneband22 күн бұрын
Well considering the kali ppl worked at JBL not suprised they sound very similar. Where they vary s as are the controls on back. Can't go wrong with either. I have the JBL. Kali are no slouch.
@footballkaran540622 күн бұрын
Heavily underrated
@bunker5tudios495Ай бұрын
Nice shootout! It would be great to hear the difference in toms too 🙏
@Audiophile_ManiacАй бұрын
This is not a fair comparison. You should have compared the WA12 MKii Vs GAP PRE73 MKii.
@compucorder64Ай бұрын
I have both of these. And I use the WA12 API-style pre for electric guitar, percussion, and sometimes toms. And I use the GAP Neve-style pre for most other things (vocals, bass, kick, snare). Including using it as a DI for bass. Apart from acoustic string instruments (nylon & steel guitar, strings, piano), where I prefer my cleanest/quietest/flattest pre, the Cranbourne Camden EC1. I sometimes use the Camden EC1 for vocals too, especially if using an SM7b or a Ribbon mic rather than a U67 or 414 style LDC mic. My audio interfaces pres (MOTU ultralite mk.V) get used for overheads or room mics (ribbons).
@RupturedCatalyst420x2 ай бұрын
awh the photo of your cat is cute!
@callyric95712 ай бұрын
you just make it easy for us unfortunately you re right ever, i want to buy m audio bx8 carbon and im confused by users comments
@mnash33 ай бұрын
I respectfully disagree. Alright...it is moreso that the thought is incomplete such that I am not really disagreeing as I am emphasizing the key point of investing in the right tools for your project. The key in the video is when he talked about he used monitors himself and the monitors help him to essentially have an efficient workflow. The example that I give folk... U could build a house with an axe, but a more efficient tool is a hammer. But even with a hammer, u still need to get the best hammer i.e. tool for the job. Sooooo....even if u know that your home stereo speakers are adding low-end, it is still impacting your work flow because it is impacting all of your mixing and mastering decisions. The more efficient way is to mix and master on the most neutral monitors that u can afford and then listen on different platforms until u have a sound that u r comfortable with on the multiple platforms. For me, I normally listen on my car speakers, my laptop, and my home stereo speakers before I say the master is as good as it is going to get. If all u have is your home stereo speakers because u r just getting started, then the video is fine buuuuuuuut if u have the budget to afford better tools and u choose to cheap out because this video tells you to simply use your current crappy speakers and make sure u understand the enhancements that are impacting the mix by using reference material, then the advice is bad advice especially when he tells u that he uses monitors. Anyways.... I just did not want some new home studio person to take this video as gospel and not invest in the right tools that they need to work on their projects. Good luck everyone.
@tzmathew3 ай бұрын
Hi, do you think I can use my existing 2.0 speakers that are supposed to have a very flat freq response instead of buying studio monitors ? Here's a graph for the measurement alongside some JBL and Kali monitors. I intend to run these through the headphones output of an audio interface. I want use them primarily to track guitar. Is this a bad idea and could I potentially damage my speakers even if I am careful with the levels of the headphone out. imgur slash a slash NsVF8Vq
@pandeni45123 ай бұрын
Just because of pure honest and sincerity, you got a sub from me
@deirdrefinnegan54363 ай бұрын
Lovely!
@pamelabloom27684 ай бұрын
Goosebumps 💖🙏🏻 Thank you 🙏🏻
@larrytan734 ай бұрын
this is pure bullshit! How many credits do you have first!
@mikeault5 ай бұрын
Listening on an iPhone 14 Pro, I hear they both sound great but the original cap is brighter..
@ClintsGrievances5 ай бұрын
They sound identical except for louder white-noise on the the sm7b. some comments say the sm57 is more sibilant, but that's probably because no foam pop filter is being used. The a2ws windscreen would probably fix the sibilants to some degree.
@mikeault5 ай бұрын
Brass is brighter ?
@johnviera38845 ай бұрын
Capitol Studio A bought elite PMC monitors and then had to tweak them for days. Monitors are like a DAW, it’s not the monitor (DAW) , it’s the user.
@allwayzactive45995 ай бұрын
The Yamaha ns10 sound so bad lol but yh if you can mix on them your good but I just can't lol I have 3 pairs of monitors
@davepriddle29686 ай бұрын
Cheers for this. I know it’s old now. Good comparison, proving to my ears that they are both excellent in their own right and for different things and flavours. This video made my decision to get both units. I like what they both do, for different reasons. For me, Warm is fantastic of vocals, piano and acoustics, but I prefer the GAP on electric guitars and bass. It’s all subjective and down to taste. And it changes depending on the song. Thanks.
@SDA-Sound7 ай бұрын
If this was all tracked on the same vocal take its shocking. The Neumann literally sucks the melody out of the voice you can barely distinguish the key.
@tomszymusic4 ай бұрын
Hello and thank you, sorry on the belated response. It was all tracked at the same time with themicrophones in this exact position of the thumbnail. It's not perfect, but I still like using one take into all the microphones all at the same time to eliminate that variable at least.
@1plus1je57 ай бұрын
Best advice on the subject. I've watched 20h of content to find this video... thx.
@IcemanTheDj8 ай бұрын
Booth sounds good. iloud imo is not so "natural" on bass cause a small driver is forced to go so low. I mix on Kali IN-8 2nd wave and they are great. Thanks for comparison. ❤
@Viking_20168 ай бұрын
Are you even aware how much would it cost to make exactly the same AKG C414EB BRASS CAPSULE microphone today? The mic is built like a tank with high quality components and of course expensive for a reason. Best overall multipurpose microphone ever built in my opinion. Fantastic microphone!
@user-vc4gb4pr4u8 ай бұрын
Вот теперь понимаю что за звукорежисёры пишут музыку, JBL как раз звучат правдободобно и правильно, а не украшивают музыку как домашние колонки
@christopherdunn3178 ай бұрын
Well I'd say this is very wrong ! most people who have recorded music lately sounds like crap in my car ! as compared to say like van halen (summer nights) which sound's awesome no matter where it is played ! you do need good speakers not 100.00 one's for mixing it properly ! And if this is the case ? why do you have the pro monitors behind you ?
@manoglzinn3 ай бұрын
Well, you need to be used of what music sound in your car or any other device to have an reference, and the more references you have the more you can get precisely on your mix
@manoglzinn3 ай бұрын
Obviously this is so much easy on studio monitors or headphones, but if u dont get these, you have to use what you have
@keithmoriyama54218 ай бұрын
Today's studios are small basement/home project studios-- you don't need studio monitors. But, in a commercial application with revolving engineers you absolutely do need a coherent playback system.
@nerds-nonsense8 ай бұрын
"Do you need arms to win a fight?" No, but you're much better off with them
@ASDPOWER8 ай бұрын
Also put Dyn audios in your car lol
@ASDPOWER8 ай бұрын
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES this is what so many people miss.
@navala74369 ай бұрын
El AT4050 me gustó más en tu voz, el 4047 sonó algo turbio debido a sus medios-bajos, sin embargo me encantó el 47 en el piano, le agregó un "peso" que lo hizo sonar más lleno, en los platillos también fue mejor que el 4050 en mi opinión.
@gabedestellano9 ай бұрын
Def not vocal mics...
@josephmartin54369 ай бұрын
Thanks. You just cured my headache and confusion. Going right back to what I have
@VUVURECORDS9 ай бұрын
they sound exactly the same
@MeastrasElKachelino9 ай бұрын
I've mixed on my home theater system before and checked the mix on my headphones... Came out tight through out.
@jorgelrmf9 ай бұрын
O at4050 soou melhor em tudo pra mim.
@maxcarter97010 ай бұрын
They sound exactly the same
@kehindea10 ай бұрын
The most famous studio monitors was a hi-fi speaker! The Yamaha NS-10s. Let that sink in. In reality all you really need are full range speakers or failing that any speaker that you are used to. We have been lied to and made to feel inadequate unless we spend spend spend!
@manoglzinn3 ай бұрын
Yeah this what im sayin, you have to be used to on how music sound in your device to know what you are doing in a mix, even with cheap headphones or speakers
@wynton76510 ай бұрын
I agree that to an extent you can get great mixes on speakers that you know extremely well. I look at it like this.. Say you have a pair of clean, super clear glasses, and your being asked to walk down a road and avoid all rocks on the road. With very clean and clear glasses, you will be able to avoid a lot of the rocks on the road. Now say you were given a pair of smudged dirty glasses that are scratched, and you were asked to do the same thing and avoid all the rocks. Obviously it will be more difficult to avoid all the rocks. But hey, lets say these are your glasses, you know them very well and have been using them for years although they are messed. You are aware of objects in certain areas because you know that you may not be seeing them as well, and your still able to avoid a lot of the rocks. But the thing is, while you may be able to avoid a lot, your probably still going to miss and run into small rocks that you may have not been paying attention to, or rocks that are out of your vision because your glasses aren't ideal. Of course, the more experience you have going down that road full of rocks, the better you will be at avoiding the rocks, but you can only do so well if you can't see them all. My OGs have always told me, your only as good as what you hear. If your just using headphones, or just using speakers or low quality or medium quality, using low quality converters, you may be able to get a great mix, but your probably sitll missing a lot of finite details and definition that can make your mixes even better. And in this competitive music industry where many pros pride themselves in releasing amazing sounding products, who wants to be missing those details? IDK that's how I look at it.
@Jil884010 ай бұрын
Great test thanks.I like the warm audio. It is cleaner.
@lennytunnel10 ай бұрын
Hi Tom! I have a question for you.. with the GAP PRE 73 MKII, would i be able to record 2 mic simultaneously with 48v for both?
@steverok6711 ай бұрын
Would you say that the AT4050 and AT4047 have the same form factor ? They look the same.
@hxhdfjifzirstc89410 ай бұрын
I think the 4047MP is nearly identical to the 4050, because of the pattern switch, while the 4047SV has a slightly different body, without the switch cutouts. As far as having the same general 'form factor', they certain do by appearance (I assume they are dimensionally identical, as well, because it's more efficient to standardize things for manufacturing).
@steverok6711 ай бұрын
A wonderful demonstration of these two mic's. The only thing missing was acoustic guitar. I prefer the 4047 for its more earthy characteristics. Well done. Thank you.
@ryanwilliams422311 ай бұрын
Can I use both the 4050 and 4047 whilst recording ? I usually use X2 AT2020s for a live recording set up I am just wondering if getting X1 4050 maybe for the instruments I.E guitar and buying X1 4047 for the vocals or vise versa whichever works best what do you reckon ?
@ShaneT5S11 ай бұрын
Crazy, this is the first comparison that I can actually hear the difference between the two mics in the spoken part before the singing. The 102 sounds a bit darker, and also audible in the piano's chords. The other instruments sounded identical except the individual drum pieces where I thought the 102 sounded better
@Atmkash Жыл бұрын
"My last name rhymes with sky"😂
@joshmcdzz6925 Жыл бұрын
There's a difference in sound when solo'd but that difference will definitely get lost in a full mix.. I guess it's not worth spending so much on a preamp rather on more important things like mic, room treatment and most important eq'in skill etc..
@robshaw845 Жыл бұрын
and maybe turn your gain down so you're not clipping?
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Great sounding speakers makes it easier to identify and thus control reverb, compressors, placement and depth. There is no doubt about that.
I agree. That mindset has done so much damage to music overall. Apart from the studio where I trained there were (real) NS-10s, I have never used studio monitors. My first speakers were handmade with an 8" dual cone + piezo tweeter, no crossover is a light ply box ported by ear using the same technique as the harpsichords my father was building (from scratch). I got some of those pieces bounced to CD at a studio with massive Genelecs and it sounded fine to me and the engineer was complimentary. I knew those speakers because they were what I listened to all music on for years and years. I still use Jamo C803s with a Rotel A10 and while some (cheaper) "studio monitors" may be more flat (claimed ;-) I do just fine. I find that people who insist (like Nazi bullies) that you MUST use monitors, rarely have any work to show, and then if they do, it is bland, generic, flawed... None of the amazeballz Pro-ful-ness they insist must flow from their thoughtless rigidity. :-)
I liked the 102 on most things. 103 sounds slightly clearer but liked 102 overall.
Well considering the kali ppl worked at JBL not suprised they sound very similar. Where they vary s as are the controls on back. Can't go wrong with either. I have the JBL. Kali are no slouch.
Heavily underrated
Nice shootout! It would be great to hear the difference in toms too 🙏
This is not a fair comparison. You should have compared the WA12 MKii Vs GAP PRE73 MKii.
I have both of these. And I use the WA12 API-style pre for electric guitar, percussion, and sometimes toms. And I use the GAP Neve-style pre for most other things (vocals, bass, kick, snare). Including using it as a DI for bass. Apart from acoustic string instruments (nylon & steel guitar, strings, piano), where I prefer my cleanest/quietest/flattest pre, the Cranbourne Camden EC1. I sometimes use the Camden EC1 for vocals too, especially if using an SM7b or a Ribbon mic rather than a U67 or 414 style LDC mic. My audio interfaces pres (MOTU ultralite mk.V) get used for overheads or room mics (ribbons).
awh the photo of your cat is cute!
you just make it easy for us unfortunately you re right ever, i want to buy m audio bx8 carbon and im confused by users comments
I respectfully disagree. Alright...it is moreso that the thought is incomplete such that I am not really disagreeing as I am emphasizing the key point of investing in the right tools for your project. The key in the video is when he talked about he used monitors himself and the monitors help him to essentially have an efficient workflow. The example that I give folk... U could build a house with an axe, but a more efficient tool is a hammer. But even with a hammer, u still need to get the best hammer i.e. tool for the job. Sooooo....even if u know that your home stereo speakers are adding low-end, it is still impacting your work flow because it is impacting all of your mixing and mastering decisions. The more efficient way is to mix and master on the most neutral monitors that u can afford and then listen on different platforms until u have a sound that u r comfortable with on the multiple platforms. For me, I normally listen on my car speakers, my laptop, and my home stereo speakers before I say the master is as good as it is going to get. If all u have is your home stereo speakers because u r just getting started, then the video is fine buuuuuuuut if u have the budget to afford better tools and u choose to cheap out because this video tells you to simply use your current crappy speakers and make sure u understand the enhancements that are impacting the mix by using reference material, then the advice is bad advice especially when he tells u that he uses monitors. Anyways.... I just did not want some new home studio person to take this video as gospel and not invest in the right tools that they need to work on their projects. Good luck everyone.
Hi, do you think I can use my existing 2.0 speakers that are supposed to have a very flat freq response instead of buying studio monitors ? Here's a graph for the measurement alongside some JBL and Kali monitors. I intend to run these through the headphones output of an audio interface. I want use them primarily to track guitar. Is this a bad idea and could I potentially damage my speakers even if I am careful with the levels of the headphone out. imgur slash a slash NsVF8Vq
Just because of pure honest and sincerity, you got a sub from me
Lovely!
Goosebumps 💖🙏🏻 Thank you 🙏🏻
this is pure bullshit! How many credits do you have first!
Listening on an iPhone 14 Pro, I hear they both sound great but the original cap is brighter..
They sound identical except for louder white-noise on the the sm7b. some comments say the sm57 is more sibilant, but that's probably because no foam pop filter is being used. The a2ws windscreen would probably fix the sibilants to some degree.
Brass is brighter ?
Capitol Studio A bought elite PMC monitors and then had to tweak them for days. Monitors are like a DAW, it’s not the monitor (DAW) , it’s the user.
The Yamaha ns10 sound so bad lol but yh if you can mix on them your good but I just can't lol I have 3 pairs of monitors
Cheers for this. I know it’s old now. Good comparison, proving to my ears that they are both excellent in their own right and for different things and flavours. This video made my decision to get both units. I like what they both do, for different reasons. For me, Warm is fantastic of vocals, piano and acoustics, but I prefer the GAP on electric guitars and bass. It’s all subjective and down to taste. And it changes depending on the song. Thanks.
If this was all tracked on the same vocal take its shocking. The Neumann literally sucks the melody out of the voice you can barely distinguish the key.
Hello and thank you, sorry on the belated response. It was all tracked at the same time with themicrophones in this exact position of the thumbnail. It's not perfect, but I still like using one take into all the microphones all at the same time to eliminate that variable at least.
Best advice on the subject. I've watched 20h of content to find this video... thx.
Booth sounds good. iloud imo is not so "natural" on bass cause a small driver is forced to go so low. I mix on Kali IN-8 2nd wave and they are great. Thanks for comparison. ❤
Are you even aware how much would it cost to make exactly the same AKG C414EB BRASS CAPSULE microphone today? The mic is built like a tank with high quality components and of course expensive for a reason. Best overall multipurpose microphone ever built in my opinion. Fantastic microphone!
Вот теперь понимаю что за звукорежисёры пишут музыку, JBL как раз звучат правдободобно и правильно, а не украшивают музыку как домашние колонки
Well I'd say this is very wrong ! most people who have recorded music lately sounds like crap in my car ! as compared to say like van halen (summer nights) which sound's awesome no matter where it is played ! you do need good speakers not 100.00 one's for mixing it properly ! And if this is the case ? why do you have the pro monitors behind you ?
Well, you need to be used of what music sound in your car or any other device to have an reference, and the more references you have the more you can get precisely on your mix
Obviously this is so much easy on studio monitors or headphones, but if u dont get these, you have to use what you have
Today's studios are small basement/home project studios-- you don't need studio monitors. But, in a commercial application with revolving engineers you absolutely do need a coherent playback system.
"Do you need arms to win a fight?" No, but you're much better off with them
Also put Dyn audios in your car lol
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES this is what so many people miss.
El AT4050 me gustó más en tu voz, el 4047 sonó algo turbio debido a sus medios-bajos, sin embargo me encantó el 47 en el piano, le agregó un "peso" que lo hizo sonar más lleno, en los platillos también fue mejor que el 4050 en mi opinión.
Def not vocal mics...
Thanks. You just cured my headache and confusion. Going right back to what I have
they sound exactly the same
I've mixed on my home theater system before and checked the mix on my headphones... Came out tight through out.
O at4050 soou melhor em tudo pra mim.
They sound exactly the same
The most famous studio monitors was a hi-fi speaker! The Yamaha NS-10s. Let that sink in. In reality all you really need are full range speakers or failing that any speaker that you are used to. We have been lied to and made to feel inadequate unless we spend spend spend!
Yeah this what im sayin, you have to be used to on how music sound in your device to know what you are doing in a mix, even with cheap headphones or speakers
I agree that to an extent you can get great mixes on speakers that you know extremely well. I look at it like this.. Say you have a pair of clean, super clear glasses, and your being asked to walk down a road and avoid all rocks on the road. With very clean and clear glasses, you will be able to avoid a lot of the rocks on the road. Now say you were given a pair of smudged dirty glasses that are scratched, and you were asked to do the same thing and avoid all the rocks. Obviously it will be more difficult to avoid all the rocks. But hey, lets say these are your glasses, you know them very well and have been using them for years although they are messed. You are aware of objects in certain areas because you know that you may not be seeing them as well, and your still able to avoid a lot of the rocks. But the thing is, while you may be able to avoid a lot, your probably still going to miss and run into small rocks that you may have not been paying attention to, or rocks that are out of your vision because your glasses aren't ideal. Of course, the more experience you have going down that road full of rocks, the better you will be at avoiding the rocks, but you can only do so well if you can't see them all. My OGs have always told me, your only as good as what you hear. If your just using headphones, or just using speakers or low quality or medium quality, using low quality converters, you may be able to get a great mix, but your probably sitll missing a lot of finite details and definition that can make your mixes even better. And in this competitive music industry where many pros pride themselves in releasing amazing sounding products, who wants to be missing those details? IDK that's how I look at it.
Great test thanks.I like the warm audio. It is cleaner.
Hi Tom! I have a question for you.. with the GAP PRE 73 MKII, would i be able to record 2 mic simultaneously with 48v for both?
Would you say that the AT4050 and AT4047 have the same form factor ? They look the same.
I think the 4047MP is nearly identical to the 4050, because of the pattern switch, while the 4047SV has a slightly different body, without the switch cutouts. As far as having the same general 'form factor', they certain do by appearance (I assume they are dimensionally identical, as well, because it's more efficient to standardize things for manufacturing).
A wonderful demonstration of these two mic's. The only thing missing was acoustic guitar. I prefer the 4047 for its more earthy characteristics. Well done. Thank you.
Can I use both the 4050 and 4047 whilst recording ? I usually use X2 AT2020s for a live recording set up I am just wondering if getting X1 4050 maybe for the instruments I.E guitar and buying X1 4047 for the vocals or vise versa whichever works best what do you reckon ?
Crazy, this is the first comparison that I can actually hear the difference between the two mics in the spoken part before the singing. The 102 sounds a bit darker, and also audible in the piano's chords. The other instruments sounded identical except the individual drum pieces where I thought the 102 sounded better
"My last name rhymes with sky"😂
There's a difference in sound when solo'd but that difference will definitely get lost in a full mix.. I guess it's not worth spending so much on a preamp rather on more important things like mic, room treatment and most important eq'in skill etc..
and maybe turn your gain down so you're not clipping?