arrow heads designed for cutting rope. used in naval warfare and defending against seige weapons.
@simonphoenix37898 күн бұрын
its interesting how the Japanese chose to make their spears fit inside the shaft while European spears and polearms are all mostly made with a socket that fits around the shaft. I wonder whether there is any drawback to either method. It instinctively feels like having a socket around the wooden shaft and putting a pin through would be sturdier, but who knows. Its also rather clever that their yari points are triangular in cross section, which makes it far less troublesome to forge rather than going for four symmetrical faces like the European spear. I don't think that gives you any benefit but its a lot more work and easier to mess up.
@rustybow72938 күн бұрын
A friend of mine has a socketed yari (repro). It inspired me to research them and that's why mine has a tang, but mine is only loosely faithful to history. The triangular design allows for sharp edges and near-spike thickness, so good for piercing armor it seems. I'm no expert on yaris and even less so on euro spears. I prefer a tang, but not really sure which is better. Easier to replace haft w/ a socket though.
@yibaidthulin682721 күн бұрын
Excelente, saludos desde México
@rustybow729321 күн бұрын
Thank you! Greetings from my forge! :)
@ecaspari25 күн бұрын
did you temper the fork after hardening? Looks as if it wasn't
@rustybow729325 күн бұрын
No, I wanted to see if i could differentially harden it but there wasn't enough mass to do that. I didn't want to lose hardness from the edge. Probably play with tempering in the future.
@rustybow729324 күн бұрын
Sorry...thought this was for another vid. No, did not temper the tines.
@Susikohmelo28 күн бұрын
In Japanese archery there is a very similar kind of head known as karimata (雁股). They allegedly were used both for war and large game hunting. The tips tended to be slightly more angled forwards maybe 3-4cm wide on average, not as big as yours but very similar shape overall. It's important to note is that the bows these arrowheads were used with are military bows. We're talking about 80 -150lbs drawn back to 32-34 inches. Overpenetration even against large animals like horses is quite likely, and an arrow that passes through is an arrow that didn't exert all of it's energy into the target. So it can actually sometimes be preferable to have lower penetration. That being said this is mostly just conjecture and to my knowledge hasn't been properly tested.
@rustybow729328 күн бұрын
Thanks for this! I'll look up an image of one and try this more formally. I've been using a 55# in the videos lately but I also shoot w/ 90# & 110# so that might make for a better video later.
@user-yd2rb3vl7pАй бұрын
Great craftsmanship, have you considered doing Damascus arrow heads ?
@rustybow7293Ай бұрын
I have made multilayered arrowheads (due to material sources) but since an arrowhead gets lost potentially easier, the time investmwnt is prohibitive. Thanks for the kind words! :)
@tort.2251Ай бұрын
Amazing! I'm excited to see how you craft the handle!
@sleipnir9113Ай бұрын
Nice! Thanks for sharing.
@rustybow7293Ай бұрын
My pleasure, bro! :)
@zacchcanavan5390Ай бұрын
There's a theory that perhaps they were made to injure and not kill, there could have been a stigma around killing another person, maybe someone in your group steals something of yours, you can't straight kill him because a certain peace must be kept, so you shoot a crescent and mame him. Its just a theory
@rustybow7293Ай бұрын
Small game makes sense to me. I had thought maybe for hamstringing larger game, or possibly horses to take down riders in battle, but I found no historical mention of that so far.
@boogboog8097Ай бұрын
Birds like duck or geese was what i read idea being it causes a big enough wound that it cant fly away and end up on the water dying like from a pass through.
@gozer87Ай бұрын
I know some folks claim these are rigging cutting arrows, but maybe they are for birds or small game in the grass.
@Kurogane_666Ай бұрын
I was always thinking about a knife shaped arrowhead like a tanto style blade I must try it for shits and giggles
@rustybow7293Ай бұрын
That sounds cool. Why not, right?
@williamburns-uw2gf2 ай бұрын
Old school forging a blade and bevelling does save your sanding belts. Truly enjoyed your video friend as I am soon to be a hobby bladesmith and too many hydraulics used normally but made my day seeing how I would like to forge. Love, peace and tranquility
@rustybow72932 ай бұрын
Hey, so glad you liked the vid and happy you'll be hammering soon! Great to hear your kind words! Thanks for watching, friend!
@sleipnir91132 ай бұрын
Such a cool design. Does it feel balanced in the hand?
@rustybow72932 ай бұрын
It balances right at the point of the wood handle. It wants to be thrown from a holding the point or blade position...but i think I'll pass for this one. :D
@mrkiky2 ай бұрын
I think this style of spear is called sankaku yari or triangular spear (literally 3 corner spear).
@rustybow72932 ай бұрын
Yeah, i started out modelling it off what i remembered of a friend's socketed version which was trangular cross-sectioned. I deviated a bit and made the inner part more concave so there is sort of a blade edge, but it still retains that spike quality. It's a bastardized thing, i admit. Thanks for the info. Had to look that up and see for myself. :)
@cotygwinn7802 ай бұрын
Thats awesome dude
@rustybow72932 ай бұрын
Thanks, man!
@bikerguykrash11823 ай бұрын
That hole is rough huh? I think both pieces of steel you're using is 5160. When you get it closer to finish and start grinding, etch it like a damascus. If there is color differences of lighter or darker the darker has the higher carbon content. With you using a coal forge you should have some carbon migration may be minimal but some should transfer between the 2 pieces and from the coal.
@rustybow72933 ай бұрын
I think the 2 steels are slightly different because the bulk piece is a couple decades (at least) older and the spring steel off my truck may be an alloy (It doesn't weld as easily---burns quicker.) Wait til the part 2 video. You'll see the issue. Rust belt stock is always a gamble, lol. The spring steel is great for a water clay-quench edge. I will test the gear shaft further. I think by itself it is axe edge worthy. Wish i had more.
@sleipnir91133 ай бұрын
That stamp is super-sweet!
@rustybow72933 ай бұрын
Yeah, thx to Steve. Don't know where he found the place that makes 'em. I'm getting the hang og making a full imprint finally. Bigger hammer, lol.
@sleipnir91133 ай бұрын
A little trial and error resulted in a nice looking arrow head. It was enjoyable to watch. 👍
@rustybow72933 ай бұрын
Thanks! Yeah, trial n error are my helpers in the shop.
@kirkboswell25753 ай бұрын
Try forming the socket around a mandrel - rather than trying to form it by driving it onto your pointed former. (hint - keep some lube handy, beeswax or etc, and keep the mandrel as cool as possible).
@rustybow72933 ай бұрын
I'll have to make myself a mandrel and try that. Have not heard of doing it that way before. Thanks for the tip!
@ryanhunter15873 ай бұрын
mmmmm tooling.
@danisprettygay3 ай бұрын
I think you have pretty much talked me out of trying socketed arrowheads. I'm not much of a smith and that looks like an awful lot of work. Good video. Thanks for posting!
@rustybow72933 ай бұрын
I'm not a big fan of socketed stuff myself but i wanted to learn the skill. Thanks and glad you enjoyed rhe vid!
@RustyInventions-wz6ir3 ай бұрын
Just found your channel and Subscribed. Very interesting. Good job
@rustybow72933 ай бұрын
Thanks, man! Good to hear from you. Fellow rust belter?
@alpinista96794 ай бұрын
Good arrows.
@rustybow72934 ай бұрын
Thanks man. The lighter ones actually make target w/o heroic arc.
@terrybest89734 ай бұрын
Brother you do all the things I been doing since 1979 I started custom knife builds in Bryan Texas at 9 years old and throwing hawks and archery I just do it now when somebody wants a knife or what ever it may be but my love is building spear heads and atlatl 's and arrow heads to cool video
@rustybow72934 ай бұрын
Good to hear! Keeping the tradition alive. :) I'm working on a spear head now, a yari. That's a video in a few weeks. Researching today how best to harden it. Not sure if it's a clay-method thing. Never tried atlatl but i have a friend who's very interested in that.
@terrybest89734 ай бұрын
Cool brother how do I get one of them Mongolian horse bows
@rustybow72934 ай бұрын
I got all mine on ebay years ago but Steve C, who's been in some of my vids, got his hornbow here: Grozerarchery.com
@Letsmake1234 ай бұрын
So great work😮
@rustybow72934 ай бұрын
Thank you! :)
@Letsmake1234 ай бұрын
So Nice blade!
@rustybow72934 ай бұрын
Thanks! :)
@vezdekhodik4 ай бұрын
Молодец! Всё вручную, как я.
@rustybow72934 ай бұрын
Hey, way cool! Nice work, man! And your forge looks alot like mine! :D
@vezdekhodik4 ай бұрын
@@rustybow7293 In our country you cannot show long blades. I have bear spears and other interesting things. Mainly it is steel bearing, hrc 60-62
@greenrover4 ай бұрын
О, наш человек!
@sleipnir91134 ай бұрын
That came out really nice. Great work!
@rustybow72934 ай бұрын
Thanks! I kept it out of my foot this time.
@MASI_forging4 ай бұрын
You did a great work 😍😍
@rustybow72934 ай бұрын
Thx, man!
@MASI_forging4 ай бұрын
Nice work dude 😍😍
@rustybow72934 ай бұрын
Well, at least i know the point works. Lol!
@sleipnir91134 ай бұрын
“I had better cuts ... Bill threw them in the fire.” 😂😂
@rustybow72934 ай бұрын
I broke that to him, today, lol!
@sleipnir91135 ай бұрын
Cool arrowhead!
@rustybow72935 ай бұрын
Thanks, Bro!
@juangreyson36605 ай бұрын
incredibly informative and entertaining!
@rustybow72935 ай бұрын
Thank you, sir! :)
@dirkbenning94895 ай бұрын
Ich hatte beim anschauen ihrer Arbeit nicht das 100 Prozentige Gefühl das sie immer Herr der Lage waren. Das Schmiedestück schien mehrere male fast weiss glühend, der Hammer rutscht in ihrer Hand, Unsicherheit war zu erkennen. Das alles mag jedoch auch der Aufregung geschuldet sein bzw. die Temperatur durch die Kamera nicht korrekt einschätzbar. Alles im allem eine tolle Arbeit die eventuelle Kritiker selber erstmal besser machen sollen. 😉😀👍👍👍
@rustybow72935 ай бұрын
Thanks! Yeah, the camera never shows the accurate color. But also, I don't always know exactly what I'm working with...if there's an alloy present, or if some steel was cast in its prior existence. It's all repurposed, so always a little risky. Sometimes I use a scrap of patternweld, so there could be defects. This piece was particularly problematic. But it made for a unique arrowhead in the end. Thanks again for your generous words! :)
@dirkbenning94895 ай бұрын
I thank YOU. 😉👍👋
@edconway90725 ай бұрын
Strange! But ok?
@rustybow72935 ай бұрын
Flies better after the tip broke and was remodified. My fletcher is designed to slightly corkscrew the feathers so i think flat arrowheads are contrary to the intention. More noticeable the larger the head. This one's smaller now, lol.
@MASI_forging6 ай бұрын
Nice work dude, this looks cool 👏👏
@rustybow72936 ай бұрын
Thanks man! It's a mess but i pulled something fun out of it, lol.
@CreatorCade6 ай бұрын
It looks to me like it's delaminating and may split apart if you hit something hard. Overall it's not a bad design I'd just make another just in case it breaks.
@rustybow72936 ай бұрын
Yeah, that's exactly what happened. It was kind of a mess and largely guided the shape. I filed into the worst of it.
@rustybow72936 ай бұрын
Actually it did hit something hard. It split a pallet board on Bill's 25 yard range across the street. :)
@whynottalklikeapirat6 ай бұрын
That bale of hay never stood a chance 😔
@MASI_forging6 ай бұрын
Great video ☺☺
@rustybow72936 ай бұрын
Thank you, sir! :)
@The_Loreseeker6 ай бұрын
That thing looks kickass
@rustybow72936 ай бұрын
And amazingly I didn't break it yet! :D
@user-kw2rl8df2s6 ай бұрын
That was coming apart like it was cast iron.
@rustybow72936 ай бұрын
Yeah, it was odd but probably too hot and i have no idea what alloy that particular valve was. The other valve went together fine with the file embedded but this was different somehow. Definitely steel though, not iron. Probably too hot and burning at that point.
@MASI_forging6 ай бұрын
Nice video as always ☺☺
@rustybow72936 ай бұрын
Thanks! It's starting to look like the real thing now. Filing in the teeth which is tedious but getting the look it's supposed to have.
@MASI_forging7 ай бұрын
Great work as always 👏👏
@rustybow72937 ай бұрын
Thanks, Bro!
@jtc19477 ай бұрын
You have a video on those points? Really WILD looking!
@rustybow72937 ай бұрын
Bunch of vids. Glad you like them!
@jtc19477 ай бұрын
@@rustybow7293 I will have to look for the vids about Your points! Those are rally WICKED COOL!
@HistoricalWeapons7 ай бұрын
Oh nice
@rodgerkujawa46877 ай бұрын
How much would you charge for one of your arrow heads?
@rustybow72937 ай бұрын
Bronze or steel? I don't sell them currently so i don't know what i would charge for steel heads. I can ask the Bronzecaster what he might charge and if he would sell any.
@christianmiracle60543 ай бұрын
@rustybow7293 try 15.50 for a pack of 12 arrowheads it sound of a good deal
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arrow heads designed for cutting rope. used in naval warfare and defending against seige weapons.
its interesting how the Japanese chose to make their spears fit inside the shaft while European spears and polearms are all mostly made with a socket that fits around the shaft. I wonder whether there is any drawback to either method. It instinctively feels like having a socket around the wooden shaft and putting a pin through would be sturdier, but who knows. Its also rather clever that their yari points are triangular in cross section, which makes it far less troublesome to forge rather than going for four symmetrical faces like the European spear. I don't think that gives you any benefit but its a lot more work and easier to mess up.
A friend of mine has a socketed yari (repro). It inspired me to research them and that's why mine has a tang, but mine is only loosely faithful to history. The triangular design allows for sharp edges and near-spike thickness, so good for piercing armor it seems. I'm no expert on yaris and even less so on euro spears. I prefer a tang, but not really sure which is better. Easier to replace haft w/ a socket though.
Excelente, saludos desde México
Thank you! Greetings from my forge! :)
did you temper the fork after hardening? Looks as if it wasn't
No, I wanted to see if i could differentially harden it but there wasn't enough mass to do that. I didn't want to lose hardness from the edge. Probably play with tempering in the future.
Sorry...thought this was for another vid. No, did not temper the tines.
In Japanese archery there is a very similar kind of head known as karimata (雁股). They allegedly were used both for war and large game hunting. The tips tended to be slightly more angled forwards maybe 3-4cm wide on average, not as big as yours but very similar shape overall. It's important to note is that the bows these arrowheads were used with are military bows. We're talking about 80 -150lbs drawn back to 32-34 inches. Overpenetration even against large animals like horses is quite likely, and an arrow that passes through is an arrow that didn't exert all of it's energy into the target. So it can actually sometimes be preferable to have lower penetration. That being said this is mostly just conjecture and to my knowledge hasn't been properly tested.
Thanks for this! I'll look up an image of one and try this more formally. I've been using a 55# in the videos lately but I also shoot w/ 90# & 110# so that might make for a better video later.
Great craftsmanship, have you considered doing Damascus arrow heads ?
I have made multilayered arrowheads (due to material sources) but since an arrowhead gets lost potentially easier, the time investmwnt is prohibitive. Thanks for the kind words! :)
Amazing! I'm excited to see how you craft the handle!
Nice! Thanks for sharing.
My pleasure, bro! :)
There's a theory that perhaps they were made to injure and not kill, there could have been a stigma around killing another person, maybe someone in your group steals something of yours, you can't straight kill him because a certain peace must be kept, so you shoot a crescent and mame him. Its just a theory
Small game makes sense to me. I had thought maybe for hamstringing larger game, or possibly horses to take down riders in battle, but I found no historical mention of that so far.
Birds like duck or geese was what i read idea being it causes a big enough wound that it cant fly away and end up on the water dying like from a pass through.
I know some folks claim these are rigging cutting arrows, but maybe they are for birds or small game in the grass.
I was always thinking about a knife shaped arrowhead like a tanto style blade I must try it for shits and giggles
That sounds cool. Why not, right?
Old school forging a blade and bevelling does save your sanding belts. Truly enjoyed your video friend as I am soon to be a hobby bladesmith and too many hydraulics used normally but made my day seeing how I would like to forge. Love, peace and tranquility
Hey, so glad you liked the vid and happy you'll be hammering soon! Great to hear your kind words! Thanks for watching, friend!
Such a cool design. Does it feel balanced in the hand?
It balances right at the point of the wood handle. It wants to be thrown from a holding the point or blade position...but i think I'll pass for this one. :D
I think this style of spear is called sankaku yari or triangular spear (literally 3 corner spear).
Yeah, i started out modelling it off what i remembered of a friend's socketed version which was trangular cross-sectioned. I deviated a bit and made the inner part more concave so there is sort of a blade edge, but it still retains that spike quality. It's a bastardized thing, i admit. Thanks for the info. Had to look that up and see for myself. :)
Thats awesome dude
Thanks, man!
That hole is rough huh? I think both pieces of steel you're using is 5160. When you get it closer to finish and start grinding, etch it like a damascus. If there is color differences of lighter or darker the darker has the higher carbon content. With you using a coal forge you should have some carbon migration may be minimal but some should transfer between the 2 pieces and from the coal.
I think the 2 steels are slightly different because the bulk piece is a couple decades (at least) older and the spring steel off my truck may be an alloy (It doesn't weld as easily---burns quicker.) Wait til the part 2 video. You'll see the issue. Rust belt stock is always a gamble, lol. The spring steel is great for a water clay-quench edge. I will test the gear shaft further. I think by itself it is axe edge worthy. Wish i had more.
That stamp is super-sweet!
Yeah, thx to Steve. Don't know where he found the place that makes 'em. I'm getting the hang og making a full imprint finally. Bigger hammer, lol.
A little trial and error resulted in a nice looking arrow head. It was enjoyable to watch. 👍
Thanks! Yeah, trial n error are my helpers in the shop.
Try forming the socket around a mandrel - rather than trying to form it by driving it onto your pointed former. (hint - keep some lube handy, beeswax or etc, and keep the mandrel as cool as possible).
I'll have to make myself a mandrel and try that. Have not heard of doing it that way before. Thanks for the tip!
mmmmm tooling.
I think you have pretty much talked me out of trying socketed arrowheads. I'm not much of a smith and that looks like an awful lot of work. Good video. Thanks for posting!
I'm not a big fan of socketed stuff myself but i wanted to learn the skill. Thanks and glad you enjoyed rhe vid!
Just found your channel and Subscribed. Very interesting. Good job
Thanks, man! Good to hear from you. Fellow rust belter?
Good arrows.
Thanks man. The lighter ones actually make target w/o heroic arc.
Brother you do all the things I been doing since 1979 I started custom knife builds in Bryan Texas at 9 years old and throwing hawks and archery I just do it now when somebody wants a knife or what ever it may be but my love is building spear heads and atlatl 's and arrow heads to cool video
Good to hear! Keeping the tradition alive. :) I'm working on a spear head now, a yari. That's a video in a few weeks. Researching today how best to harden it. Not sure if it's a clay-method thing. Never tried atlatl but i have a friend who's very interested in that.
Cool brother how do I get one of them Mongolian horse bows
I got all mine on ebay years ago but Steve C, who's been in some of my vids, got his hornbow here: Grozerarchery.com
So great work😮
Thank you! :)
So Nice blade!
Thanks! :)
Молодец! Всё вручную, как я.
Hey, way cool! Nice work, man! And your forge looks alot like mine! :D
@@rustybow7293 In our country you cannot show long blades. I have bear spears and other interesting things. Mainly it is steel bearing, hrc 60-62
О, наш человек!
That came out really nice. Great work!
Thanks! I kept it out of my foot this time.
You did a great work 😍😍
Thx, man!
Nice work dude 😍😍
Well, at least i know the point works. Lol!
“I had better cuts ... Bill threw them in the fire.” 😂😂
I broke that to him, today, lol!
Cool arrowhead!
Thanks, Bro!
incredibly informative and entertaining!
Thank you, sir! :)
Ich hatte beim anschauen ihrer Arbeit nicht das 100 Prozentige Gefühl das sie immer Herr der Lage waren. Das Schmiedestück schien mehrere male fast weiss glühend, der Hammer rutscht in ihrer Hand, Unsicherheit war zu erkennen. Das alles mag jedoch auch der Aufregung geschuldet sein bzw. die Temperatur durch die Kamera nicht korrekt einschätzbar. Alles im allem eine tolle Arbeit die eventuelle Kritiker selber erstmal besser machen sollen. 😉😀👍👍👍
Thanks! Yeah, the camera never shows the accurate color. But also, I don't always know exactly what I'm working with...if there's an alloy present, or if some steel was cast in its prior existence. It's all repurposed, so always a little risky. Sometimes I use a scrap of patternweld, so there could be defects. This piece was particularly problematic. But it made for a unique arrowhead in the end. Thanks again for your generous words! :)
I thank YOU. 😉👍👋
Strange! But ok?
Flies better after the tip broke and was remodified. My fletcher is designed to slightly corkscrew the feathers so i think flat arrowheads are contrary to the intention. More noticeable the larger the head. This one's smaller now, lol.
Nice work dude, this looks cool 👏👏
Thanks man! It's a mess but i pulled something fun out of it, lol.
It looks to me like it's delaminating and may split apart if you hit something hard. Overall it's not a bad design I'd just make another just in case it breaks.
Yeah, that's exactly what happened. It was kind of a mess and largely guided the shape. I filed into the worst of it.
Actually it did hit something hard. It split a pallet board on Bill's 25 yard range across the street. :)
That bale of hay never stood a chance 😔
Great video ☺☺
Thank you, sir! :)
That thing looks kickass
And amazingly I didn't break it yet! :D
That was coming apart like it was cast iron.
Yeah, it was odd but probably too hot and i have no idea what alloy that particular valve was. The other valve went together fine with the file embedded but this was different somehow. Definitely steel though, not iron. Probably too hot and burning at that point.
Nice video as always ☺☺
Thanks! It's starting to look like the real thing now. Filing in the teeth which is tedious but getting the look it's supposed to have.
Great work as always 👏👏
Thanks, Bro!
You have a video on those points? Really WILD looking!
Bunch of vids. Glad you like them!
@@rustybow7293 I will have to look for the vids about Your points! Those are rally WICKED COOL!
Oh nice
How much would you charge for one of your arrow heads?
Bronze or steel? I don't sell them currently so i don't know what i would charge for steel heads. I can ask the Bronzecaster what he might charge and if he would sell any.
@rustybow7293 try 15.50 for a pack of 12 arrowheads it sound of a good deal