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  • @MrNadav1995
    @MrNadav199514 күн бұрын

    How much real world range are you getting?

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski13 күн бұрын

    70km till 20% on highway

  • @manueltolosa2632
    @manueltolosa263215 күн бұрын

    Peso ?

  • @rolandalin5812
    @rolandalin581223 күн бұрын

    Für Niu gibt es keinen Händlernetz mehr Deutschland weit, wo auch die Roller reparieren kann, Die waren mal gut aber ohne Werkstatt kann man diese Marke nicht mehr empfehlen!!

  • @henocdiaz6093
    @henocdiaz609324 күн бұрын

    Buenas tardes, me dirijo al dueño de la moto, osea al que hizo el video. En AliExpress venden todas las piezas que requieras horquilla delantera, soporte trasero etc etc ojalá que puedas traducir mi comentario!

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski23 күн бұрын

    @@henocdiaz6093 Gracias por esa sugerencia. En Alemania, los productos Ali Express son problemáticos porque necesitan aprobación, por lo que no quieres tener problemas con el seguro en caso de accidente. Por eso compro los productos originales a distribuidores que a su vez los compran al importador KSR. Los precios no son mucho peores que en AliExoress.

  • @Gehtdichnichtsan583
    @Gehtdichnichtsan583Ай бұрын

    Was ist eigentlich dein Geheimnis das der Bildschirm noch geht? Bei den meisten ist er absolut verblasst und unlesbar.

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinskiАй бұрын

    Steht unter ner Plane und auf der Arbeit in einer Garage. Vielleicht hilft es ja dass es oft genutzt wird.

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski23 күн бұрын

    So nebenbei, wenn das Display in der heißen Sonne warm wird, lässt sich bei mir der Kontrast nach.

  • @Gehtdichnichtsan583
    @Gehtdichnichtsan58323 күн бұрын

    @@prometeusz.jasinski Ja bis es gar nicht mehr geht

  • @Gehtdichnichtsan583
    @Gehtdichnichtsan583Ай бұрын

    Hast du deine Schaugläser erneuert? Suche aktuell einen passenden Satz der nicht zu klein ist.

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinskiАй бұрын

    ? Ist doch im Video zu sehen?!

  • @Gehtdichnichtsan583
    @Gehtdichnichtsan583Ай бұрын

    @@prometeusz.jasinski Dann muss ich mir die stelle nochmal raus suchen hast so viele Videos 😁🫶

  • @Gehtdichnichtsan583
    @Gehtdichnichtsan583Ай бұрын

    Tatsache grad gesehen bei der 2. Minute. Hast du noch den link zu den Gläsern die du gekauft hast? Hab jetzt 4 Sätze über Amazon gekauft alle etwas zu klein. Passt halt locker rein ohne Druck und das wird dann nicht dicht.

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinskiАй бұрын

    @@Gehtdichnichtsan583 18mm schaugläser bei eBay. Hatte wohl Glück dass die gepasst haben.

  • @Gehtdichnichtsan583
    @Gehtdichnichtsan583Ай бұрын

    @@prometeusz.jasinski Mist dann muss ich weiter ausprobieren. 😢

  • @DieAnstalt-Ens
    @DieAnstalt-Ens2 ай бұрын

    *Warum nicht gleich auch auf deutsch den Ton aufnehmen, geht doch beides oder nicht?* Trotzdem danke für deine tolle Video Reihe und die Tipps die du gibst 👍

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski2 ай бұрын

    Ich habe auch noch ein Leben neben KZread 😉

  • @Gehtdichnichtsan583
    @Gehtdichnichtsan5832 ай бұрын

    Bezahlst Du echt für die app? Fährst du die FOC80 Software? Und hat NIU die Gabel als Garantie ausgetauscht?

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski2 ай бұрын

    Ja, nein, ja

  • @huepfhoernchen
    @huepfhoernchen2 ай бұрын

    Wieder mal ein klasse Video von dir. Hast du bei deinem schon mal das Potentiometer (Fehler 140 beim NQI GTS 80km/h Version) tauschen müssen? Ich würde gerne wissen, ob ich das selbst machen kann und ob du vielleicht Erklärvideos oder ähnliches Material empfehlen kannst. Beste Grüße aus deiner Umgebung ;)

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski2 ай бұрын

    Gude, nee, der Fehler ist bei mir noch nicht aufgetreten. Elektrisch siehts im Augenblick gut aus

  • @joker9184
    @joker91842 ай бұрын

    Richtig stark wieviel das Din ausgehalten hat. Meiner ist knapp 5 Jahre alt und hat 11500 Km oben . Macht mir gute Hoffnungen :)

  • @josemestre8589
    @josemestre85892 ай бұрын

    Thank you so much for the update and the highlighting the software issue. I also started getting the same "random" restarts and was worried the FOC was faulty.

  • @raphaducarvalho
    @raphaducarvalho3 ай бұрын

    Thak you so much for all these updates and tips about this scooter! You're one of the main owners that contributed heavily to my decision to buy myself one of these, and I'm very happy to see that I can expect to have a good time with it. I'm from Rio de Janeiro and I've already made 1300km since last feb, but it pleases me to see how great your scooter seems to be after 5 years of riding. Thanks again and, please, keep the updates for us!

  • @dokesz530
    @dokesz5303 ай бұрын

    Mine also cut off showing zero battery.Speed also slower.I need to renew the niu service first then see whats next. Did u check the ecu battery %? Im thinking when the battery is out of juice and i could be after 5 yrs that ll cause all these weird issues because the ecu controles everything.

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski3 ай бұрын

    No problems after paying for the service

  • @dokesz530
    @dokesz5303 ай бұрын

    I payed for the service there are no issues so far now.Never let the battery of the ecu drain.Next step upgrade keyless remote because mine is older and need a key to start.

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski3 ай бұрын

    @@dokesz530 ​​⁠actually my ecu battery is draining regularly empty as I’m keeping my batteries in the basement. So over the weekend the ecu battery is then dead. No issues so far related with that.

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski3 ай бұрын

    The system is powered permanently from the dc/dc converter, when batteries are connected (this is not the case for the mqi evo or 100). The dc/dc converter is actually responsible for the fast battery drainage when parking the scooter.

  • @spartankittygames
    @spartankittygames3 ай бұрын

    Think youve convinced me to get one

  • @sladjanaboromisa2301
    @sladjanaboromisa23013 ай бұрын

    Schöne Zusammenfassung!! Auf die nächsten 13k 🎉❤

  • @newgetway
    @newgetway3 ай бұрын

    Gibt es noch die THG- Prämie für gebrauchte E-roller?

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski3 ай бұрын

    Leider nicht mehr. Erst ab der a2 Klasse wieder.

  • @newgetway
    @newgetway3 ай бұрын

    @@prometeusz.jasinski Also auch nicht beim Silence bzw. Sead Mö?

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski3 ай бұрын

    @@newgetway leider ja

  • @newgetway
    @newgetway3 ай бұрын

    Gude, was für Akkus sind bei dem Roller verbaut? Wie schnell kann er laut Tacho fahren, wie ist so die durchschnittliche Reichweite? Grüsse aus Wiesbaden.

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski3 ай бұрын

    Gude, Panasonic, Tacho 77kmh gps 70kmh, 70-80km auf der Autobahn bis man im battery save mode mit 18kmh unterwegs ist.

  • @essentials1016
    @essentials10163 ай бұрын

    Krass da sieht man halt die China Qualität. Ich habe meinen N Pro komplett eingewachst und hoffe es wird nicht so schlimm wie bei dir.

  • @gtasandman
    @gtasandman3 ай бұрын

    im confused they forced you to buy smart service or your scooter will shut down over and over randomly.

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski3 ай бұрын

    I think the argument here is that the ecu is faulty and out of warranty. They do not fix this software problem as newer versions might be without this issue. So I need to replace the ecu by a newer one or pay for the service. Second option was cheaper for me.

  • @dokesz530
    @dokesz5303 ай бұрын

    Yeah i thinks so cuz i bought a used one but service was expired.Got strange errors like 67 or even 99.The spare battery which power up the ecu also get weaker it can cause all these weird issues.

  • @josemestre8589
    @josemestre85892 ай бұрын

    @@dokesz530 I'm getting the same error messages after my licence expired. Good to know that I'm not the only one and this is not a real issue :)

  • @jdrublebuble
    @jdrublebuble4 ай бұрын

    Wow no matter still impressive , thanks

  • @RubenRuizMartinez-oc1rx
    @RubenRuizMartinez-oc1rx4 ай бұрын

    Hello. My Niu NGT is 5 years old... but only 5000 kms!!! I use it to go to the city center and some short trips. I am very happy with it. I'm glad to see that with the years and the kilometers, it ages very well. Thank you for sharing your experiences with our little motorcycle!!

  • @shadowofthepast2008
    @shadowofthepast20084 ай бұрын

    thanks for the update!

  • @bhasselgren
    @bhasselgren4 ай бұрын

    Thanks for sharing!

  • @demetrio_odessa
    @demetrio_odessa4 ай бұрын

    Yes, you can! (50k)

  • @soyisaaccc
    @soyisaaccc4 ай бұрын

    Thank you very much for the videos, it helped me a lot when it came to understanding that scooter because I was thinking about buying it and I ended up buying it😎

  • @essentials1016
    @essentials10163 ай бұрын

    You should use a conservation wax so it does not rust.

  • @soyisaaccc
    @soyisaaccc4 ай бұрын

    What country do you live in that is so rusty?😂😂😂

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski4 ай бұрын

    Germany. Rain is good for nature but not for 2 wheelers.

  • @Troobeli69
    @Troobeli694 ай бұрын

    Do they use anti-icing on roads? That will corrode even plastic. 😅

  • @ekcaca3677
    @ekcaca36774 ай бұрын

    Hello Prometeusz Need you help here😊 I bought niu ngt like yours last year Everytging went well i driver 2000km last year without any problems but today it want start , both batteries are fully charged Do you have some tip maybe? Thanks in advance

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski4 ай бұрын

    Hi, not sure what your problem is. You are very unspecific here. Please tell me exactly what you do and see

  • @krakena.f542
    @krakena.f5424 ай бұрын

    I see a lot of rust....it may be due to the climate of the country, but I think the rust will be harmful in 4 more years at most.

  • @city_research921
    @city_research9215 ай бұрын

    Wdias masz ten skuter ? Jeseli fhodzi o rzeczywisty Range z dwoma bateriami, w miescie i poza , mode 2 , jak to wyglada ?

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski5 ай бұрын

    1% = 1km

  • @city_research921
    @city_research9215 ай бұрын

    @@prometeusz.jasinski Ale gap narobiłem 😝 To całkiem fajnie to wygląda ! Myślę właśnie czy kupić takiego elektryka czy benzyniaka. Głównie na dojazd do pracy 25 mili w dwie strony, i Delivery po Londynie. Dzięki wielkie za odpowiedź ! :)

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski5 ай бұрын

    @@city_research921Dla mnie dziala. Laduje scootera w pracy za darmo.

  • @marcusmichalla442
    @marcusmichalla4425 ай бұрын

    Mein 2019er NGT hat rund 35.000 km runter. Der Zustand entspricht deinem: Bremsengläser gewechselt, Bremssattel hinten erneuert (korrodierter Kolben), Laufgeräusch vom Motorlager seit ca. 8.000 km, diverse abgerissene Schrauben vom Topcasehalter, Radverkleidung und Tacho (!) durch Kopftsteinpflaster, Der Roller hat aber außer der 1.000er noch nie eine Inspektion gesehen. Alle Mängel sind erst > 25.000 km aufgetaucht. Akku hat 400 Zyklen und gefühlt 95% Kapazität. Ich bin extrem zufrieden

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski5 ай бұрын

    37.000 km Review kommt diesen Frühling 😊

  • @BURNOUTBMX
    @BURNOUTBMX5 ай бұрын

    The fork :(

  • @BURNOUTBMX
    @BURNOUTBMX5 ай бұрын

    Gg

  • @Marcusrashford223
    @Marcusrashford2236 ай бұрын

    I wonder how u have so much rust from riding for four years I have done 3300km for around 5 and it has not taken any rust

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski6 ай бұрын

    I’m riding it in rain and sub zero conditions, you too?

  • @perodenero
    @perodenero6 ай бұрын

    Hello Prometeusz, thanks for your videos, i bought the 2022 model and after 5400km the Niu store told me that my brakes need replacing. I am shocked that the pads is so bad. Do you have any advice or can maybe share a link to the replacement pads that you bought please? For some reason the calipers are eating a groove into the back brake and i think its a factory issue but the Niu garage in Malaga said its not covered by the guarantee.

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski6 ай бұрын

    Sorry , but I’m in Germany so my sources will not help you. I recommend you buy original spare parts as they are quite ok to my mind

  • @perodenero
    @perodenero6 ай бұрын

    @@prometeusz.jasinski thanks, I'm in Spain and the originals lasted only 5k km. Anyway, thanks for the content, I appreciate it

  • @Teapode
    @Teapode6 ай бұрын

    Thank you for the video! Got tired of electric kick scooters from Segway getting broken after 5000-10000km, and thought I might buy a propper escooter that would last. But as it seems with those Chineese companies, there are issues with ecooters also. So many repairs on that one after 28 000km. Oh why there is no single escooter on the planet, that could last as my VW Golf, which is 9 years old, has 120 000km and has no rust, no deformation, nothing is falling appart and I`m not feeling unsafe driving it. I think EU should do something about, it promotes electromobility, cycling, low carbon transport. But all of the bikes and scooters are made solely in China, and becoming rusty scrap after few years of usage. Which makes cycling more expensive that driving a petrol 1,5 tonn car, because you need to replace your E-bike every 3 years.

  • @zae87
    @zae878 ай бұрын

    Hi! where do you buy spare parts?

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski8 ай бұрын

    Here in Germany you will find regular online dealers which sell original parts. I do not mess with Chinese suppliers for structurally relevant parts such as brake pads.

  • @zae87
    @zae878 ай бұрын

    could you please give me some trustable online dealers? I'm looking for white stripes! Thanks@@prometeusz.jasinski

  • @dokesz530
    @dokesz5308 ай бұрын

    Someone can tell me the size of the 2 bolts holding front brake caliper bracket to fork.And are there 2 spacers need it for front rim?

  • @dokesz530
    @dokesz5308 ай бұрын

    Clean it with wd40 it ll protect ur bike from all corrosion.Lot of owners just dont give a shit and end up with a rusty bike.

  • @davidpp9999
    @davidpp99998 ай бұрын

    Looking forwars for next years upsate

  • @dokesz530
    @dokesz5308 ай бұрын

    Hi i got a used gts with 14 inch rims the front all damaged includes rim broke ass hell so now i did order all parts.But niu has a poor list of parts and not all spare parts are available.Can u check for me please the size of the 2 bolts connected to fork and bracket holding front caliper.Also there are 2 different spacers for front rim if am right? Thanks.

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski8 ай бұрын

    Sorry Mate, my one is the smaller wheel size.

  • @dokesz530
    @dokesz5308 ай бұрын

    @@prometeusz.jasinski ok thanks

  • @cbf114
    @cbf1149 ай бұрын

    Mam możliwość kupna takiego. Proszę powiedz czy warto? Jest z 2019r i przebieg 13tys km i w aplikacji pokazuje 160 cycles , battery score 84. Te 84 to aby nie za mało?

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski9 ай бұрын

    Battery score tylko obliczony jest. Jedyne co ważne to jest rejestracja scootera w aplikacji „cloud service”. Bez połonczenja z internetem, niestety scooter co 30min wykańcza się przez 5sek wczasie jazdy.

  • @cbf114
    @cbf1149 ай бұрын

    @@prometeusz.jasinski ten baterry score to już dotarłem co jest każde ładowanie odejmuje 0,1% czyli by się zgadzało 160 ladowań x 0,1=16% . Bardziej mnie martwi że za niecały rok on będzie 5 letni a producent właśnie na tyle zapewnia żywotność baterii a koszt jej będzie większy niż cały skuter. Napisz proszę ile masz już przebiegu wogole jeśli go masz jeszcze jak się sprawuje co się psuje

  • @cbf114
    @cbf1149 ай бұрын

    Jak po 4 latach zmienił się zasięg na baterii?

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski9 ай бұрын

    @@cbf114 mam 35000 km. Nadal łożyska czymają. A bateria nadal powyżej 90% wydaje się ze ma. Nie widzę różnicy w zasięgu. Ja tez pierwszego scootera mam. prawie 5 lat temu kupiłem.

  • @hughjanus7354
    @hughjanus73549 ай бұрын

    Since you ride through winter you're exposing it to salt, hence no wonder this moped looks like a rust bucket. The remaining battery capacity is a joke though, how much are they asking for a replacement? BTW the background muzzack, the high hat to be precise, was brain piercingly bad.

  • @fortherideGR
    @fortherideGR10 ай бұрын

    Nice reviews mate. I am looking on this ebike but also the ZEHHO one. Would you recommend this NIU or you think there are better solutions?

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski10 ай бұрын

    Currently the Niu seems to be one of the best options. Software support is limited after warranty. The scooter I have needs the cloud service to work properly. I had to pay €50 for to further years to omit lengthy conversations. Super Sochi cpx seems also ok although I hear of a lot rust issues. I’m looking forward to see the BMW C02 next year live.

  • @fortherideGR
    @fortherideGR10 ай бұрын

    @@prometeusz.jasinski In Greece is called "Super soco CPX" and yes I hear a lot negative also.

  • @bizarrehaks
    @bizarrehaks10 ай бұрын

    ECU will not charge I've tried everything I need help

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski10 ай бұрын

    I recommend consulting forums such as www.elektroroller-forum.de/viewtopic.php?t=8583 . Currently the forum seems to be offline.

  • @wavergarage9098
    @wavergarage909811 ай бұрын

    Hello, can you give me a link where you purchased the master cylinder window? thank you

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski11 ай бұрын

    eBay 18mm www.ebay.de/itm/155194451028?hash=item24224f6454:g:q40AAOSwmVxjPXE0&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAABIOwuHOuJBfxKOXCBgakCohc549kFsgZcD35dOEPh9yrncB1qVtlyMBPsTkYdquB%2Bi7qKhDHGxgw8ucq93Yl%2FYRrkHftEMoZ%2B4lhTU2tSqMjyEWv3t%2BsWhZVYrNRdRmN0JbsPcnaSLMITYIR1eEW1wspOp%2F5Ces2B7gBWva35WU%2FoNR%2BFc9tCeGgYoMtLF1Rg9nce3Xijwpd1ntG0qicnxrjMep7QGXvZm6PM2gT%2FdQ0Qx7gdixzJ9D09yMBUuTBOcX2piUrHm%2BE7gM%2FP4tRexmF5k8pIFxXsTbAEuI1nU2Vsop8W6zH52cLrPHrmFCSF41Whw6WVwy7Blg1W%2F9aHv8FhNcqETderJjHTWPTqscd35%2BfMNkYGjn50bWobLoL%2FZg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBM7IO88c1i

  • @huepfhoernchen
    @huepfhoernchen11 ай бұрын

    Hey, danke für dein großartiges Video. Ich sehe du kommst aus Mainz. Kannst du mir verraten wo du deine Reifen wechseln lässt etc.? Hab auch einen NIU gts :)

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski11 ай бұрын

    Hi, seit Jahren fahre ich zum vuidar in biebelnheim. Beim Roller habe ich allerdings die Räder selbst ausgebaut. maps.app.goo.gl/6xKsZ6nxiYQbErgJA?g_st=ic

  • @huepfhoernchen
    @huepfhoernchen11 ай бұрын

    @@prometeusz.jasinski Danke für deine Antwort. War der Ausbau aufwändig? Bekommt man das als absoluter Laie hin? Hast du vielleicht Anleitungen oder Empfehlungen in der Vorgehensweise? Wäre dir sehr dankbar! Viele Grüße

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski11 ай бұрын

    @@huepfhoernchen mit einer großen Nuss und einem Kreuz Schraubenzieher kriegt das jeder hin. Ein paar Kabel Binder braucht man auch. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pZ2Z26OJdbCrkZc.htmlsi=uTiyTu5LiwhhR7VG Die jungs bei vuidar wechseln normalerweise Motorrad reifen. Man müsste die mal anfragen ob die es machen.

  • @Gehtdichnichtsan583
    @Gehtdichnichtsan5832 ай бұрын

    ⁠fährst du ihn immer noch?

  • @spartankittygames
    @spartankittygames11 ай бұрын

    Would you recommend this scooter for a 30 mile round trip commute no matter the weather conditions on some 3/4 lane roads?

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski11 ай бұрын

    Yes, unless the traffic is too fast. Then you might feel uncomfortable

  • @spartankittygames
    @spartankittygames11 ай бұрын

    @@prometeusz.jasinski I won't have to go on roads above a 60mph speed limit so I feel the scooters top speed should hold up. I'm happy to hear you recommend it though, I think this scooter should fit my needs perfectly. Does it go over bumps ok? The roads around here are pretty crappy.

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski11 ай бұрын

    @@spartankittygames the newer models have larger tires. Should be fine

  • @MrSegmentfault
    @MrSegmentfault11 ай бұрын

    Of course they are shitty quality. These scooters are appx 7999 CNY in the official Chinese Niu store. That's just over 1000 euro. They are low budget vehicles.

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski11 ай бұрын

    I did now 33000 km and still running. As long as the quality is good enough for so many miles… do you have an alternative in mind?

  • @MrSegmentfault
    @MrSegmentfault11 ай бұрын

    @@prometeusz.jasinski That's precisely the issue. We can choose between shitty scooters with decent range, or decent scooters with shitty range. Decent brands like Yamaha, Honda, Kymco, Sym, Piaggio are not willing to introduce a reasonably priced midsized electric scooter with sufficient range for commuting. I don't want to pay €3500 for this type of questionable quality. :( In Taiwan you can find Gogoro e-scooters for around €2000 and they also have a battery swap network + other brands are integrating their battery system. Much better situation than here.

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski11 ай бұрын

    @@MrSegmentfault luckily this is up to you :)

  • @bhasselgren
    @bhasselgren Жыл бұрын

    Question: do you usually charge to 100%?

  • @prometeusz.jasinski
    @prometeusz.jasinski Жыл бұрын

    Always. The handbook recommends to stay between 20% and 80%, but the scooter has no setting to stop charging earlier. This is a flaw as from my understanding lifetime can be extended by charging less. However, typically I do not store the batteries fully charged over several days.

  • @bhasselgren
    @bhasselgren Жыл бұрын

    @@prometeusz.jasinski I have kind of fixed it by programming so the charger turns off when drawing less than 750 watt for 1 min, equals to 85-90%, but it works so and so since it doesn't charge (for me) the batteries even. However, having that kind of % left in the batteries after almost 30K km is still very good I think.