It absolutely does have a disadvantage: limited ammo capacity and it eats through ammo like mad It also is difficult to hit accurately at higher range But overall, it's absolutely S-tier and is a good counter to heavy devastators and a hard counter to scout striders (aim between their legs and you can get the explosion to go off behind them, knocking the driver off the back)
@SpamtonGSpamton1997-28 күн бұрын
I think the mo-98 is based on the P-90
@ArgentumfoxxАй бұрын
Best against the bot scum. Punisher plasma Stun grenades Laser cannon Supply pack FS-34 Exterminator armour Eagle or orbitals of choice. = RIP BOTS
@user-xz5ozАй бұрын
Спасибо чел, как раз думал брать этот пак или нет
@adawg3032Ай бұрын
Its my fav gun and idk why.. I think the chargup just makes me enjoy it. Its got good ammo economy. It pairs decently with the hmg or the laser cannon. In the video you used autocannon.. with chargup splash gun. use a drone backpack ideally... and instead of autocannon youll want either the expendable or quasar. or be a bit more niche and go HMG/supply pack and use stuns, or go quasar with shield or drone backpack. I think the reason i like it so much is just because of how different it is.
@hallofo8107Ай бұрын
Good overview. I'm not sure if you touched on it very much, but one large factor is that the bullet flies slower than most other guns. I have to remember to lead my shots MUCH more than usual when I shoot at moving targets. I agree that once you get good with the jar, it's absolutely ROCKS the enemies of -The Imperium of Man- Managed Democracy.
@Helljumper-mp6nfАй бұрын
I just got used to it , damage potential compensate all problems in my opinion
@gangsterguardsman4576Ай бұрын
If it had more damage and a better scope then it’d be awesome as a marksman rifle/sniper for long range engagements than the plasma punisher
@sturmmagnunstein1008Ай бұрын
Pay to lose!
@janfortuna30022 ай бұрын
200 hours in and uninstalled. The bugs, crashes and insane nerfs made me stop having fun. I had a lot of super credits yet I still bought more to get the warbond with Eruptor... Just to support the devs. Then they take it from me.... I am just so done with them...
@Cipher732 ай бұрын
They should remove the charge up feature of this gun, make it slower rate of fire than the Scorcher, increase the damage, and treat it like a medium armor penetrating DMR. The charge up completely sucks and it's why no one wants to use it. But I love the way it looks. I wish this was the Scorcher. I'd be rockin' it. I don't like the way the current Scorcher looks.
@adawg3032Ай бұрын
i think a chargup scorcher is a great idea. A scorcher with more damage, more explosion radius, and the same amount of ammo has its purpose in the game. Trading off with a chargup i think is a good idea and adds great variety. Currently, the purifier needs just a bit more punch to it, and if it had that extra punch it could be a cool charge up scorcher.
@AndarilhoMarco2 ай бұрын
Their balance is your primary is actually your secondary, your secondary is your support, and your support is your primary.
@maxcassian96272 ай бұрын
If u really wanna use this gun use the punisher plasma, its the same thing but pump action with less range
@absolutexk2 ай бұрын
Purifier is utter garbage
@m4xfl4xst4r2 ай бұрын
Yea, Im not feeling it. I wouldn't choose it over anything, including the level 1 starting assault rifle.
@tomhuitema20682 ай бұрын
Yeah yeah yeah, you have a bunch of numbers and shit but no stats can make up for the fact that I like it :)
@markd93182 ай бұрын
Increase damage, give it infinite ammo like the arc thrower
@welsunsig67152 ай бұрын
This piece of plastic is evolving sooner or later u will see foo.. so stop hating on this gun fr
@user-zq5fk4go6i2 ай бұрын
All I can see is that it has good ammo economy and last long in prolonged fights. It still isn’t an infinite ammo energy weapon. Armor pen doesn’t seem to matter, kills hive guard to the head in 3 shots, same as punisher plasma. 50 more damage than scorcher? Who cares. They made it sound really cool. Yes you can one shot striders to the upper front plate but still… who cares. I want to like it… but I can’t right now. I saw a guy mention the other day, what if 2-3 shots from superheated plasma weapons could catch enemies on fire in AOE?
@ericmiltner36042 ай бұрын
It needs some love fr. Big L
@lukemehalick3702 ай бұрын
Im happy that this warbond isnt so far beyond the rest of them to where its required to be competitive. Aside from that, we learned, as a community, that as a whole, releasing overpowered weapons and then nerfing them is much worse than releasing under performing weapons and buffing them down the road. No way AH can test these weapons like thousands of players can. Expect buffs, accept buffs, but also accept that being bad is just the first step of becoming awesome. Oh, also, we have new faction coming soon, and potentially weapon customization and different ammunition. This game is still in its crib. Just needs time to grow.
@DaytonaRoadster2 ай бұрын
>we have new faction coming soon, "soon" likely a year from now
@Double3032 ай бұрын
So what you're saying is, Alexus couldn't balance a table? Shock.
@PayYourTick2 ай бұрын
Depressing we’ve gotten to a point that the weapons being useable makes them S tier. The freak community managers like Misty and the balancing team will ruin this game while the CEO “doesn’t want to target specific employees”. I genuinely think the game will be ruined before they fire the right people.
@defenstrator46602 ай бұрын
I disagree about the Pummeller . That gun locks Devastators and Stalkers right down and you can mess them up. The rewt are pointless though, either having ready alternatives that are almost the same, or are just bad.
@LoweredLine2 ай бұрын
I was so hopeful for this gun they really need to increase the damage to 400 or so to make the chargeup time to be worth it. The gun itself is super fun to use Edit: it is really good at destroying bile titan bellies tho so thats good atleast bloww up the sacks and then one orbital rail cannon ez titan kill
@rzu14742 ай бұрын
Imagine saying the liberator is bad
@lividfireye73042 ай бұрын
sneed and based Slav
@cupcake_seiko26452 ай бұрын
Am I the only one likes this gun????? I play PC so I headshot for days And the reduced recoil crouched and extreme accuracy snipes pretty good
@amishtechsupport-32822 ай бұрын
I also play on pc and enjoy using this weapon, I just feel 10 more bullets in the mag would really help it
@Jhunta2 ай бұрын
I tried to defend the tenderizer, but i just cant. the pummeler is great though. the smg n the nade are two items ive always wanted in the game, so polar patriots was worth the buy to me for those 2 items alone. and stalwart is great on any lvl w bugs. but def not the weapon you want for bots.
@Siegefriedd2 ай бұрын
'' You need to rely on stragaments instead of your primaries and secondaries! '' Why the fuck would we need to send Helldivers planet-side then? hell, the game itself acknowledges this by constantly blasting you from orbit if you get the traitor status. Do the devs don't know their own game?
@Razumen2 ай бұрын
The stratagem reliability is a bit bunk, if you can't predict enemy movement, use stun grenades, they keep the enemy right where you want them for stratagem strikes. This works for every enemy but titans.
@McShieldBash2 ай бұрын
i just using SMG all the time, i've never had any problem with it strategems either.
@Helljumper-mp6nf2 ай бұрын
its depends on ,if you play solo or with team against which faction and on which difficulty . Its totally fine if our experiences are different on such controversial topic , discussion like this help make game better and community healthier. Thank you for your opinion , and have a great day.
@deviancepurplehaze60452 ай бұрын
Pretty stupid nerfing for a coop only game. There is not much need for nerf for this kind of multiplayer. Just buff instead.
@1979draaven2 ай бұрын
Fucking whiners
@GiveMeYoSammich2 ай бұрын
For terminids in general, the fire breaker is s tier due to it's ability to take out hunters easily and in number. That being said, they really need to bring up all the primaries and increase the mag size or offer an attatchment for it.
@ceddysaid34322 ай бұрын
I just want to know why they send us to fights hundreds of bugs with mag sizes designed to fight humans
@Helljumper-mp6nf2 ай бұрын
So true , machine guns would be a solution , but you need stratagem slot to deal with bile titans and chargers
@ceddysaid34322 ай бұрын
As an helldiber that only plays on 9 with 284 hrs of game time. Most the primaries are bad. If it cant take the head off of 3 broude commanders in a mag whats the point. Your just handicapping yourselves
@user-ir4yk3jb5q2 ай бұрын
I got as far as diligence sucks before I had to stop. Its clear from that statement alone that you do not know how the weapons work. Each one is a different play style. If you do not play to the strengths of a weapon it will not work very well. Run and gun works with shotguns and carbines because thats what they do. That play style does not work with ARs and MRs. ARs are all about flexibility and team work. Marksman rifles are for long range fire support. Understanding a weapons limitations and adapting your playstyle is part of the game. You can just charge in like a caveman and expect to solo everything. Different guns have different roles. You cant treat a sniper like a shotgun and get the same results. The whole reason why people complain about armor is because they are constantly in melee range because thats the only playstyle they know. The more you know your gear the more you will get out of it. So yes the devs know what they are doing. At least more than the mindless mob of people crying for op weapons because they cant be bothered to learn how to play the game.
@GiveMeYoSammich2 ай бұрын
The big issue with your ides of playstyle is assuming a bunch of randoms will communicate and adhere to your diverse ideal. Most people in my experince as someone who mainly plays with randoms Is people are just going to choose whatever is fun for them and do their own thing. Normally they don't even stick with the group due to wanting to do things their own way. The game needs to be balanced towards individual play and not group play just due to the average player. When people stick together and corridinate it should be a cake walk but for those who essentially play solo or not in a group, they should be able to do well in an albeit challenged way while having fun.
@Helljumper-mp6nf2 ай бұрын
Everything that you said works only if you have perfect communication with your team , which most of the time is extremely hard to achieve . Because of that I play solo 5-9 levels and base my weapon experience on that . Diligence can't deal with crowd and can't deal with mediums. If you will play solo you will understand . Only reason why you now thinking like that it because you played with team that carried out you throughout all hardship's . Playing solo is only way to know how skilled you are , and which weapons are bad.
@janfortuna30022 ай бұрын
cap
@JustAGroundhog2 ай бұрын
So far ea h ballancing change has worked out for the better franlly seems they are doing well
@frgtthename2 ай бұрын
I think a good example of a balanced weapon is autocannon. It is able to kill and destroy anything that you can encounter, but when it comes to heavier enemies, it struggles. It is still able to kill bile titans and factory striders but it will take you some time (not abnormall amount but still long). Also it can destroy nests, factories and some objectives and it is negated by the fact it costs you a lot of ammo, it takes your backpack slot and it will take some time to reload. In summary: autocannor is very versatile but not really op in tasks that your primary weapons or grenades are good at. So i think many other strategems should be made similar to it, either very good at dealing with swarms or heavy units and other option is to make it universal but not so efficient. Also i want to say thank you for your honest opinion and calm attitude to the topic❤ (Love your accent btw, feels like smarter then me scientist from abroad is teaching me. I like it very much ^^ )
@Razumen2 ай бұрын
The Autocannon only takes long to reload if you fire all ten shots. You should get in the habit of reloading after every five. It's much faster and sustainable during battles.
@Helljumper-mp6nf2 ай бұрын
Thank you for support , my opinion is not very popular about this topic , that's why for me is really heart warming comments like this . Thank you.
@tarikcollins7782 ай бұрын
I don't agree with you , in my experience , it's all about strategy critical thinking and situational awareness, idk how many times the 500k bomb save my butt, or placing motars and they just demolish bugs and bots in impossible + missions
@Helljumper-mp6nf2 ай бұрын
Everyone have different experiences and its totally fine . That's why existence of deferent opinions is healthy for our game and community , it helps us find middle ground. Thank you for sharing .
@xxstylinonyaxx26222 ай бұрын
You right bro
@shahbaz67412 ай бұрын
Finally someone who appreciated this powerful weapon
@daedaluxe2 ай бұрын
This gun fuckin' suuucks can't do shit against chargers.
@owenbar50552 ай бұрын
Yeah I'd rather have my scorcher
@sirfrancois88882 ай бұрын
I absolutely love this weapon.
@ra-02382 ай бұрын
its baby autocanon 😂
@xwing24172 ай бұрын
Ooh, that is relevant to my interests.
@cantowerdude_30452 ай бұрын
Is the gun a sniper? No. But, it is a precision weapon. Getting headshots or hitting weak points is the best way to use this weapon effectively. And when it comes to DPS, since this gun is a long-distance grenade launcher depending on the Crowds Are shooting in you can get some crazy damage. Just know where to shoot and keep your distance and you'll have a blast using this weapon.
@NoxTheZombie2 ай бұрын
Just watch the friendly fire
@advancedmonkey77022 ай бұрын
Just the best gun against bugs so far, pretty good for bots too.
@williammendolia24932 ай бұрын
You've heard of the JAR-5 Dominator right?
@advancedmonkey77022 ай бұрын
@@williammendolia2493 Not even close.
@williammendolia24932 ай бұрын
@@advancedmonkey7702 I am going to have to give it another try since you speak so highly of it. I was not impressed the firs time I used it, mainly because of the slow rate of fire. I will try it again tonight.
@advancedmonkey77022 ай бұрын
@@williammendolia2493 @williammendolia2493 My helldive bug solo loadout: R36/R19/Stun with light anti - explosive armor. SG: Laser dog, Quasar, you can do whatever in the last 2 slots, I prefer 500KG + autocannon to deal with Titans. the real problem is this is too good for level 9 bugs, once you get the hang of it, any other loadout would feel like a huge downgrade.
@advancedmonkey77022 ай бұрын
@@williammendolia2493 My helldive bug solo loadout: R36/R19/Stun with light anti - explosive armor. SG: Laser dog, Quasar, you can do whatever in the last 2 slots, I prefer 500KG + autocannon to deal with Titans. the real problem is this is too good for level 9 bugs, once you get the hang of it, any other loadout would feel like a huge downgrade.
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Love this, your enthusiasm is fun to hear
It absolutely does have a disadvantage: limited ammo capacity and it eats through ammo like mad It also is difficult to hit accurately at higher range But overall, it's absolutely S-tier and is a good counter to heavy devastators and a hard counter to scout striders (aim between their legs and you can get the explosion to go off behind them, knocking the driver off the back)
I think the mo-98 is based on the P-90
Best against the bot scum. Punisher plasma Stun grenades Laser cannon Supply pack FS-34 Exterminator armour Eagle or orbitals of choice. = RIP BOTS
Спасибо чел, как раз думал брать этот пак или нет
Its my fav gun and idk why.. I think the chargup just makes me enjoy it. Its got good ammo economy. It pairs decently with the hmg or the laser cannon. In the video you used autocannon.. with chargup splash gun. use a drone backpack ideally... and instead of autocannon youll want either the expendable or quasar. or be a bit more niche and go HMG/supply pack and use stuns, or go quasar with shield or drone backpack. I think the reason i like it so much is just because of how different it is.
Good overview. I'm not sure if you touched on it very much, but one large factor is that the bullet flies slower than most other guns. I have to remember to lead my shots MUCH more than usual when I shoot at moving targets. I agree that once you get good with the jar, it's absolutely ROCKS the enemies of -The Imperium of Man- Managed Democracy.
I just got used to it , damage potential compensate all problems in my opinion
If it had more damage and a better scope then it’d be awesome as a marksman rifle/sniper for long range engagements than the plasma punisher
Pay to lose!
200 hours in and uninstalled. The bugs, crashes and insane nerfs made me stop having fun. I had a lot of super credits yet I still bought more to get the warbond with Eruptor... Just to support the devs. Then they take it from me.... I am just so done with them...
They should remove the charge up feature of this gun, make it slower rate of fire than the Scorcher, increase the damage, and treat it like a medium armor penetrating DMR. The charge up completely sucks and it's why no one wants to use it. But I love the way it looks. I wish this was the Scorcher. I'd be rockin' it. I don't like the way the current Scorcher looks.
i think a chargup scorcher is a great idea. A scorcher with more damage, more explosion radius, and the same amount of ammo has its purpose in the game. Trading off with a chargup i think is a good idea and adds great variety. Currently, the purifier needs just a bit more punch to it, and if it had that extra punch it could be a cool charge up scorcher.
Their balance is your primary is actually your secondary, your secondary is your support, and your support is your primary.
If u really wanna use this gun use the punisher plasma, its the same thing but pump action with less range
Purifier is utter garbage
Yea, Im not feeling it. I wouldn't choose it over anything, including the level 1 starting assault rifle.
Yeah yeah yeah, you have a bunch of numbers and shit but no stats can make up for the fact that I like it :)
Increase damage, give it infinite ammo like the arc thrower
This piece of plastic is evolving sooner or later u will see foo.. so stop hating on this gun fr
All I can see is that it has good ammo economy and last long in prolonged fights. It still isn’t an infinite ammo energy weapon. Armor pen doesn’t seem to matter, kills hive guard to the head in 3 shots, same as punisher plasma. 50 more damage than scorcher? Who cares. They made it sound really cool. Yes you can one shot striders to the upper front plate but still… who cares. I want to like it… but I can’t right now. I saw a guy mention the other day, what if 2-3 shots from superheated plasma weapons could catch enemies on fire in AOE?
It needs some love fr. Big L
Im happy that this warbond isnt so far beyond the rest of them to where its required to be competitive. Aside from that, we learned, as a community, that as a whole, releasing overpowered weapons and then nerfing them is much worse than releasing under performing weapons and buffing them down the road. No way AH can test these weapons like thousands of players can. Expect buffs, accept buffs, but also accept that being bad is just the first step of becoming awesome. Oh, also, we have new faction coming soon, and potentially weapon customization and different ammunition. This game is still in its crib. Just needs time to grow.
>we have new faction coming soon, "soon" likely a year from now
So what you're saying is, Alexus couldn't balance a table? Shock.
Depressing we’ve gotten to a point that the weapons being useable makes them S tier. The freak community managers like Misty and the balancing team will ruin this game while the CEO “doesn’t want to target specific employees”. I genuinely think the game will be ruined before they fire the right people.
I disagree about the Pummeller . That gun locks Devastators and Stalkers right down and you can mess them up. The rewt are pointless though, either having ready alternatives that are almost the same, or are just bad.
I was so hopeful for this gun they really need to increase the damage to 400 or so to make the chargeup time to be worth it. The gun itself is super fun to use Edit: it is really good at destroying bile titan bellies tho so thats good atleast bloww up the sacks and then one orbital rail cannon ez titan kill
Imagine saying the liberator is bad
sneed and based Slav
Am I the only one likes this gun????? I play PC so I headshot for days And the reduced recoil crouched and extreme accuracy snipes pretty good
I also play on pc and enjoy using this weapon, I just feel 10 more bullets in the mag would really help it
I tried to defend the tenderizer, but i just cant. the pummeler is great though. the smg n the nade are two items ive always wanted in the game, so polar patriots was worth the buy to me for those 2 items alone. and stalwart is great on any lvl w bugs. but def not the weapon you want for bots.
'' You need to rely on stragaments instead of your primaries and secondaries! '' Why the fuck would we need to send Helldivers planet-side then? hell, the game itself acknowledges this by constantly blasting you from orbit if you get the traitor status. Do the devs don't know their own game?
The stratagem reliability is a bit bunk, if you can't predict enemy movement, use stun grenades, they keep the enemy right where you want them for stratagem strikes. This works for every enemy but titans.
i just using SMG all the time, i've never had any problem with it strategems either.
its depends on ,if you play solo or with team against which faction and on which difficulty . Its totally fine if our experiences are different on such controversial topic , discussion like this help make game better and community healthier. Thank you for your opinion , and have a great day.
Pretty stupid nerfing for a coop only game. There is not much need for nerf for this kind of multiplayer. Just buff instead.
Fucking whiners
For terminids in general, the fire breaker is s tier due to it's ability to take out hunters easily and in number. That being said, they really need to bring up all the primaries and increase the mag size or offer an attatchment for it.
I just want to know why they send us to fights hundreds of bugs with mag sizes designed to fight humans
So true , machine guns would be a solution , but you need stratagem slot to deal with bile titans and chargers
As an helldiber that only plays on 9 with 284 hrs of game time. Most the primaries are bad. If it cant take the head off of 3 broude commanders in a mag whats the point. Your just handicapping yourselves
I got as far as diligence sucks before I had to stop. Its clear from that statement alone that you do not know how the weapons work. Each one is a different play style. If you do not play to the strengths of a weapon it will not work very well. Run and gun works with shotguns and carbines because thats what they do. That play style does not work with ARs and MRs. ARs are all about flexibility and team work. Marksman rifles are for long range fire support. Understanding a weapons limitations and adapting your playstyle is part of the game. You can just charge in like a caveman and expect to solo everything. Different guns have different roles. You cant treat a sniper like a shotgun and get the same results. The whole reason why people complain about armor is because they are constantly in melee range because thats the only playstyle they know. The more you know your gear the more you will get out of it. So yes the devs know what they are doing. At least more than the mindless mob of people crying for op weapons because they cant be bothered to learn how to play the game.
The big issue with your ides of playstyle is assuming a bunch of randoms will communicate and adhere to your diverse ideal. Most people in my experince as someone who mainly plays with randoms Is people are just going to choose whatever is fun for them and do their own thing. Normally they don't even stick with the group due to wanting to do things their own way. The game needs to be balanced towards individual play and not group play just due to the average player. When people stick together and corridinate it should be a cake walk but for those who essentially play solo or not in a group, they should be able to do well in an albeit challenged way while having fun.
Everything that you said works only if you have perfect communication with your team , which most of the time is extremely hard to achieve . Because of that I play solo 5-9 levels and base my weapon experience on that . Diligence can't deal with crowd and can't deal with mediums. If you will play solo you will understand . Only reason why you now thinking like that it because you played with team that carried out you throughout all hardship's . Playing solo is only way to know how skilled you are , and which weapons are bad.
cap
So far ea h ballancing change has worked out for the better franlly seems they are doing well
I think a good example of a balanced weapon is autocannon. It is able to kill and destroy anything that you can encounter, but when it comes to heavier enemies, it struggles. It is still able to kill bile titans and factory striders but it will take you some time (not abnormall amount but still long). Also it can destroy nests, factories and some objectives and it is negated by the fact it costs you a lot of ammo, it takes your backpack slot and it will take some time to reload. In summary: autocannor is very versatile but not really op in tasks that your primary weapons or grenades are good at. So i think many other strategems should be made similar to it, either very good at dealing with swarms or heavy units and other option is to make it universal but not so efficient. Also i want to say thank you for your honest opinion and calm attitude to the topic❤ (Love your accent btw, feels like smarter then me scientist from abroad is teaching me. I like it very much ^^ )
The Autocannon only takes long to reload if you fire all ten shots. You should get in the habit of reloading after every five. It's much faster and sustainable during battles.
Thank you for support , my opinion is not very popular about this topic , that's why for me is really heart warming comments like this . Thank you.
I don't agree with you , in my experience , it's all about strategy critical thinking and situational awareness, idk how many times the 500k bomb save my butt, or placing motars and they just demolish bugs and bots in impossible + missions
Everyone have different experiences and its totally fine . That's why existence of deferent opinions is healthy for our game and community , it helps us find middle ground. Thank you for sharing .
You right bro
Finally someone who appreciated this powerful weapon
This gun fuckin' suuucks can't do shit against chargers.
Yeah I'd rather have my scorcher
I absolutely love this weapon.
its baby autocanon 😂
Ooh, that is relevant to my interests.
Is the gun a sniper? No. But, it is a precision weapon. Getting headshots or hitting weak points is the best way to use this weapon effectively. And when it comes to DPS, since this gun is a long-distance grenade launcher depending on the Crowds Are shooting in you can get some crazy damage. Just know where to shoot and keep your distance and you'll have a blast using this weapon.
Just watch the friendly fire
Just the best gun against bugs so far, pretty good for bots too.
You've heard of the JAR-5 Dominator right?
@@williammendolia2493 Not even close.
@@advancedmonkey7702 I am going to have to give it another try since you speak so highly of it. I was not impressed the firs time I used it, mainly because of the slow rate of fire. I will try it again tonight.
@@williammendolia2493 @williammendolia2493 My helldive bug solo loadout: R36/R19/Stun with light anti - explosive armor. SG: Laser dog, Quasar, you can do whatever in the last 2 slots, I prefer 500KG + autocannon to deal with Titans. the real problem is this is too good for level 9 bugs, once you get the hang of it, any other loadout would feel like a huge downgrade.
@@williammendolia2493 My helldive bug solo loadout: R36/R19/Stun with light anti - explosive armor. SG: Laser dog, Quasar, you can do whatever in the last 2 slots, I prefer 500KG + autocannon to deal with Titans. the real problem is this is too good for level 9 bugs, once you get the hang of it, any other loadout would feel like a huge downgrade.