I am in Australia and just got the Shapeoko 5 Pro with the 2.2 spindle kit, now just waiting for the lot to get here, will be watching your video again then, thanks for down-loading this informative viewing, all the best mate, Allan
@StudioZ72.create13 сағат бұрын
That's awesome Allan! I hope they make your installation easier. You will love that machine it's really amazing. Some day I hope to visit Australia, beautiful country! Cheers mate!
@atmm8913 сағат бұрын
@@StudioZ72.create I REALY DO HOPE YOU DO, KEEP IN TOUCH, i MAY BE ABLE TO HELP, MEAN TIME YOU MAY GIVE ME SOME POITERS WITH PROGRAMING, ALL THE BEST MATE, ALLAN
@StudioZ72.create12 сағат бұрын
Will do, be sure to take advantage of the free trials offered by design software sites. I settled on Vectric because it worked for me and the way my brain thinks. Carbide Create not so much. There are so many tutorial videos on KZread for whichever software you choose and can help you get started, but feel free to ask me for help or there is a great online forum which I joined for our machine, Carbide3d forum everyone is very helpful and knowledgeable, Best of luck, Pete
@DjTeebot2 күн бұрын
Amazing work! Is learning the software very complicated to learn?
@StudioZ72.create2 күн бұрын
Thanks so much! So for the sign I used Carbide Create which is the software from the company that made my machine and it wasn't working for me. I got through it but it doesn't work the same way as my brain thinks. This is generally the case for most design software as you have to try them before you buy and see if it works for you. I am currently using Vectric Aspire and I love it. They have different price levels but for what I plan on doing I needed Aspire. There are a ton of videos to watch and will tutor you making the learning process much easier.
@DjTeebot2 күн бұрын
@@StudioZ72.create Many thanks!!
@Todestelzer2 күн бұрын
I have a 1kw router from Maffel and it cuts aluminum just fine. I don’t have to min max my time on the machine and can go with lighter cuts.
@StudioZ72.create2 күн бұрын
As long as that works for you then that's great. But, just remember that the lighter cuts you take means that you have to make more passes which means the job takes longer. The purpose of this video was to demonstrate that, and for the viewer to figure out what is best for them. Any router will perform the task it's just how long will it take?
@ZrubekFamily3 күн бұрын
Does the machine stop and start across the cut like that or is that a illusion from the camera?
@StudioZ72.create3 күн бұрын
Hey there! I'm not sure which scene you are referring to but after the first test with both the 1.2 Kw and the 2.2 Kw where the 1.2 Kw ended up failing yes there was chatter in the cut from the machine. When I used the 1/2" upcut endmill on the 2.2 Kw there was chatter on the slower speed pass 100 ipm but not on the faster ones. In the last test with the 3/8" upcut endmill at 3/4" depth of cut there was chatter on the first pass at 100 ipm only and yes I noticed it too that the camera made it appear as if the cut was jagged but it wasn't. Though I did ramp in at the beginning and that causes a slight chatter before it gets all the way into the cut.
@fitybux46643 күн бұрын
Almost makes me wonder what a downcut might look like at 200IPM. (Since... you're cutting wood?)
@StudioZ72.create3 күн бұрын
I think the edges would be clean, I didn't want to try it in this test because down cut bit s are harder on the spindle since the chips are evacuated down into the material you are cutting and not up and out. I didn't have a compression bit on hand but that would have been the best choice.
@Aftab_Baloch.4 күн бұрын
please cut some aluminium also with half of this parameter
@StudioZ72.create4 күн бұрын
Hey there! Sorry the 1.2 Kw spindle has already been removed from the machine. Only the 2.2 Kw spindle could be tested at this point but I don't work with metals, it's possible , I'll have to look into it.
@Bigwingrider18005 күн бұрын
And the low end torque like for plastic is sweet. Gages
@StudioZ72.create3 күн бұрын
I haven't cut plastics yet, I'm assuming they have to be cut at lower rpm so as not to melt the plastic?
@Bigwingrider18005 күн бұрын
I have a 2.2 kw water cooled 13 yrs now. Stalled it in z 50imp down once but never stalled cutting.
@StudioZ72.create4 күн бұрын
Interesting, what material did it stall in?
@FearsomeWarrior9 күн бұрын
Real question without taking away the performance benchmarks. As a hobbyist is there any reason to spend more to go faster? Just fun and maybe for projects that have many repeated small shapes? I watched until end of video and you sort of touched about it but not about the reasons I am curious about.
@StudioZ72.create9 күн бұрын
Much appreciated thanks for watching until the end of the video! So for the hobbyist that only uses it for small shapes and intricate details I would say you do not need the 2.2 Kw spindle. The 1.2 Kw can do everything that the 2.2 Kw can just slower, except use 1/2" shaft bits. You could even get by with just a Makita 65mm router, if you don't mind manually turning on the router and having no RPM control in your toolpaths. You would have to control the RPM manually on the router but the performance would be less than the 1.2 Kw spindle. Now if your using it for a business as you know time is money and I would say then you should consider upgrading to the 2.2 Kw. You can finish jobs faster and as you know time is money.
@FearsomeWarrior9 күн бұрын
@@StudioZ72.create The idea of paying off the CNC by using it is very lucrative. Kind of lends itself to that too. That might be reason enough for at least getting a spindle over a router.
@StudioZ72.create9 күн бұрын
Yes in my opinion I would not bother with the router, it takes away from it actually functioning as a CNC when you have to manually control the RPM. If your buying a machine like the Shapeoko 5 Pro or similar it seems silly to put a router on it, it can handle so much more.
@BMRStudio9 күн бұрын
Actually, 1.2 little guy holds up very well 😂 Yeah, honestly, everyone of us driving machines a little too soft. Way below the real capacity. Meanwhile Titan CNC dudes driving everything on maxed max maximum overdose supermax 😂 Amazing what those basic spindles, endmills and ballscrews can handle without break down.
@StudioZ72.create9 күн бұрын
Lol! I agree with you, I was very impressed with the 1.2 Kw. I think Titan just goes for the shock aspect to reel you in. However, it is good to know the limits of something. Yes those machines are quite tough but I think everyone is so afraid that they will ruin the accuracy of the machine and so they baby them. Cheers!
@SKESE78910 күн бұрын
What size steppers?
@StudioZ72.create10 күн бұрын
Good question, but it's not listed anywhere. From what I can find the Shapeoko Pro which is a lesser model uses Nema 23 steppers. When I looked at mine they have a sticker on them that reads....Model: STEP200-S5 2.0A(U) 1.8deg/step
@StudioZ72.create10 күн бұрын
So I just measured them also and it looks like they are Nema 23 steppers. I put the calipers on them and I'm getting just over 2.2"
@SKESE7893 күн бұрын
@@StudioZ72.create Nema 23 have a lot of torque.
@StudioZ72.create3 күн бұрын
Torque is awesome but how fast can they spin? I watch the shaft that sticks out the back of the motor while the machine is cutting and the motors are hardly turning. There is still a lot left there, hoping Carbide 3d has a way to bypass the setting they imposed(my assumption) and really show what the Shapeoko 5 Pro is capable of.
@ginomaneri970310 күн бұрын
I’m have run a ⅜” bit in aluminum with a 0.0375” step over with the 2.2 kw spindle no problem.
@StudioZ72.create10 күн бұрын
Nice! How deep?
@ginomaneri970310 күн бұрын
@@StudioZ72.create 0.375” depth.
@donepearce11 күн бұрын
I'd like to see this test with a power meter on the spindle.
@StudioZ72.create11 күн бұрын
On both spindles?
@donepearce11 күн бұрын
@@StudioZ72.create absolutely. The actual amount of power in use. Particularly as the spindle is slowing down would be very interesting.
@D-GatDesignsLLC11 күн бұрын
Really not much of a comparison video if you're already talking about the 65mm failing. Additionally, 200ipm factory set limit tells me that machine falls short compared to others
@StudioZ72.create11 күн бұрын
The purpose of the test is to point out how far each spindle will go before reaching failure or close to it, and then the consumer can use this information to determine which spindle is right for them when purchasing one. The 200 ipm was discovered during the test and I'm hoping something happens with that. I believe all machines have a governed speed that most of the time has to be manually overridden and this one just happens to be a little low.
@61quick11 күн бұрын
The difference is about 1.35 HP. In case no one wants to do the math...
@StudioZ72.create11 күн бұрын
That's pretty cool! Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the 2.2 Kw spindle is around 3 hp? Which would put the 1.2 Kw just under 2 hp? But the difference is in the torque. The 2.2 Kw running on 220 volts and weighing much more than the 1.2 Kw will have much more torque because your spinning a heavier mass.
@GregCormier10 күн бұрын
@@StudioZ72.create I think these are also all measured at peak power which is typically max RPM - running 18k RPM will leave some power on the table. I think that's why it's nice to get the 2.2kW as some bigger bits will not be happy at max rpm.
@southernjoes837211 күн бұрын
My 2.2kw will easily run at 400 at .25 depth, even on hard maple
@StudioZ72.create11 күн бұрын
Good to know! Now if I can only find out if it's possible to speed up the Shapeoko 5 Pro above 200 inches per minute. It's not a big deal but it would be nice.
@FrazerCanyonWoodworks6 күн бұрын
@@StudioZ72.createI believe max right now is 275ipm
@StudioZ72.create6 күн бұрын
Hey there! Just wondering if this is a speed you achieved or heard about? Because I couldn't get my S5 Pro to go above 198 ipm in a straight line during machining. Yes it peaked out at like 270 ipm when moving around after initializing but not while cutting.
@steveward807011 күн бұрын
Thank you very much for that test! I was leaning towards the 2.2kW spindle in order to eventually machine aluminum, but your comparative test convinced me.
@StudioZ72.create11 күн бұрын
Awesome! I'm so glad it helped you out!
@michaelgmyers12 күн бұрын
I found it very helpful. I ordered the Altmill last month with the 1.2 spindle. No 220 in my shop. Now I see that I must upgrade to keep my man card valid. Thanks for the great video. I did not know I would be limited to .25 bits.
@StudioZ72.create12 күн бұрын
Thank you!! Lol on the man card! Yes the 1.2 has an er11 collet which only goes up to 1/4" bits, the 2.2 has an er20 collet allowing up to 1/2" bits. I'm glad you found it useful!
@southernjoes837211 күн бұрын
Yeah unfortunately I bought a LongMill MK2 and quickly found out they aren’t easily upgradable. You might want to check with Sienci Labs to see if the SLB will be upgradable to a 2.2kw spindle.
@GregCormier12 күн бұрын
That was me asking for the full DOC! Thanks for finally testing and showing what this machine can actually do. It would be nice if every manufacturer did this for us to show off the rigidity!
@StudioZ72.create12 күн бұрын
Your welcome! Yes I wasn't sure if I had gone far enough for the comparison and when I saw your comment I knew I needed more. Thanks for the push, I needed it. Glad you enjoyed it!!
@Kris-P34312 күн бұрын
Thanks for doing this comparison! I ordered my Shapeoko 5 Pro 4x4 a few days ago, I went with the 65mm spindle for now since most of my projects tend to be smaller but that 80mm is mighty impressive. Keep up the great work!
@StudioZ72.create12 күн бұрын
Your welcome! You'll be very happy with the 65mm, you can't go wrong with either of these spindles. I'm glad you enjoyed it, Thank you!
@GregCormier15 күн бұрын
Let's see full DOC with a 1/4" compression bit in 3/4" plywood!
@StudioZ72.create15 күн бұрын
You'll have to wait and see! I like the way you think! 👍
@fredsmachinewerks481116 күн бұрын
I would soke the hose in hot water to get straight. Or use silcon hosing much more flexable. nice just the same. Cheers
@StudioZ72.create16 күн бұрын
Thanks, yes I almost had to do that. This hose was a little stiff but good idea, cheers
@kevinwillis670716 күн бұрын
that cnc on the floor would drive me nuts, but everyone does what works for them, cheers
@StudioZ72.create16 күн бұрын
I agree it's not ideal but I had no choice for right now, space is very limited. I'm hoping in about 2 years to add on 10 feet to the back of my shop. If that happens then I will have a separate area just for the CNC on a table 🙏 cause I'm not getting any younger :) cheers
@Kris-P34317 күн бұрын
I’m considering purchasing the Shapeoko 5 Pro 4X4 and would definitely go with a spindle. For me personally, a 65mm spindle on a 4X4 machine seems like I would be leaving a lot of performance on the table… you definitely made the right call with the 80mm! Thanks for the video, clear and concise. One other thing stands out to me though, how do you keep your shop so neat? My shop looks like a tree exploded in it.
@StudioZ72.create17 күн бұрын
Thank you! To help you out even further this coming Saturday I will be releasing part 2. It will be a head to head comparison test between the 65mm and the 80mm, really helps when your deciding which spindle is right for you. As for my shop, I'm a neat freak but it does look pretty bad after long furniture builds. I clean the machines every day and the shop itself once a week. I have to also because of the channel. Hope this helps you decide, it's a really great machine! :)
@Kris-P34316 күн бұрын
@@StudioZ72.create I’m looking forward to to your comparison!
@prutila17 күн бұрын
Nice job on the video and walk through!
@StudioZ72.create17 күн бұрын
Thanks so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@AcrylicMemories17 күн бұрын
cant wait for the head to head video
@StudioZ72.create17 күн бұрын
Awesome! It should be up later this week
@retrolizardscustomarcadesАй бұрын
What’s the size of your table?
@StudioZ72.createАй бұрын
72" x 50"
@DreamWorksWoodShopАй бұрын
Wow Pete! Very Cool! I’m happy that your CNC was fine after that mishap.. I’m sure I would’ve reacted the same way. Even us OCD people 😬don’t remember to cross all our T’s and dot our I’s all the time. Securing it to the floor as well as the bench is a good idea. But who would’ve thought it weighing 200 pounds would move anyway, I wouldn’t have.. love the basket weave pattern options just awesome. What a great option for i.e. draw fronts, cabinet doors, or wall art?? etc.. Thanks for sharing. Happy the machine is doing well. Quite the scare there! I hope y’all are doing well. Take care, buddy! 😎
@StudioZ72.createАй бұрын
Thanks Walt! Lol yeah I really felt like an idiot after that one. I'm glad you enjoyed the video, I know the CNC stuff isn't quite your thing, but it is fun to watch. Getting busy over here, hope your doing well. Thanks again buddy!
@jukama7671Ай бұрын
very nice!
@StudioZ72.createАй бұрын
Thank You!
@NWGR2 ай бұрын
I watched your shop tour and shapeoko 5 build, but just some constructive feedback; we don't need to see every pass of every cut you make. Explain the setup, show a few cuts, (the first and last and maybe a couple in between), or timelapse the cutting, show us the finished project. This video is 16 minutes long, 13 minutes of it was you cutting the notches in the legs. I'm not trying to come off as offensive, just giving feedback as to what keeps me watching as another woodworker. Keep it up, you have a beautiful shop. Also, about your shapeoko 5; have you though of putting it on a rolling platform, or maybe get some large drawer slides you can fix to the legs? I know I've seen that in some other videos. It seems like it would make access easier.
@StudioZ72.create2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the feedback, it has been an issue that I have been experimenting with and have been cutting back on. Those were some of my very first videos and my more recent videos contain less footage as you recommended. Watch my coffee table build and let me know what you think? Much appreciated 👍
@NWGR2 ай бұрын
@@StudioZ72.create Will do. 👍
@DIY_Bliss2 ай бұрын
I bought mine last tax year but I couldn't use it until my husband & I had our surgeries. They were spanned out over the year and recovery is still ongoing, both of us had more surgeries this year as well. Just wanted to say that it was the reason for the long delay, and I was waiting for this tax year to get a computer. So, were you NEW to the software too or do you have some background with coding or similar software? I have NEVER worked with any type of software like this nor with a CNC machine. I use computers for very basic things like google searches. That's pretty much it, so this is gonna be a challenge and adventure for me. I will be starting sometime after Thursday or Friday. It will depend on when my laptop gets delivered, supposed to be on Thursday. I will subscribe. I would love to see what you are doing.
@StudioZ72.create2 ай бұрын
First, I would like to say I hope you and your husband are recovering well. I had 2 surgeries the last of which was 11 months ago so I know the struggle. Yes I was new to the software but I am somewhat decent with computers in general. I will say this I have tried both Carbide Create and Vectric Aspire. For me Carbide Create made simple things difficult to design whereas Vectric was so much easier to use. This may not be the case for everyone it depends on how your brain thinks. Some software works for some but not for others. However, Vectric is pricey but worth it to me. My suggestion is to try different ones and see what works. There are lots of tutorial videos which I watched and at least Vectric has a free trial. Good Luck and thanks for subscribing! I should have another video out soon with a little more challenging 3D design.
@puhiadams51712 ай бұрын
What happened? He lost a couple of fingers maybe?
@StudioZ72.create2 ай бұрын
You'll have to watch the long form video of this on my channel, click the link on the short :)
@zombiegurke54792 ай бұрын
My dream shop
@StudioZ72.create2 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! If your interested check out the long form video on my channel, much more to see!
@geneeby89582 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing the difficulties. I think it was a beautiful build
@StudioZ72.create2 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! It's very reassuring to hear other peoples opinions especially in this situation, I'm glad you enjoyed it
@5280Woodworking2 ай бұрын
I’m surprised they didn’t like the grain pattern. I thought it was a clever design.
@StudioZ72.create2 ай бұрын
Thank you!! At least I know I'm not crazy, after all I went through to match the grain top and bottom. I built this for a designer and they wanted it to look all uniform, somewhat artificial. The real problem is my supplier of plywood doesn't allow us to pick the sheets, you get what you get. I have to have a talk with them before I build the second one.
@markgasp2 ай бұрын
Hey Pete how’d you come up with such a cool creative design? Hey Future Pete would love to see what this table looked like finished!
@StudioZ72.create2 ай бұрын
I'll text you pics, it's for sale if you want to buy it 😉
@oliviahadley95342 ай бұрын
I appreciate how you explain your thought process and methods before every step. Super helpful for beginners (like me 🙏).
@StudioZ72.create2 ай бұрын
That's awesome Olivia! My business is all about the details and I wondered if it would be too much for viewers attention spans, but I'm glad that you found it helpful 😊
@WG5Xradio2 ай бұрын
Nice video. I'm guessing by the number of subscribers that you are a fairly new channel. If I could offer a tiny bit of advice it would be watch your audio levels. The biggest mistake I see people make is having uneven audio, like the music and power tool noise was much, much louder than the talking audio. It kinda blasts you when you aren't expecting it. Not meant as criticism, but I watch a lot of videos, and little things like that really make a noticeable difference. Good luck with your channel.
@StudioZ72.create2 ай бұрын
Thanks, yes this was the first time using music and have since adjusted the audio but wasn't aware of the tool volume, thanks for the tip. I will check those levels for sure going forward.
@OnefinityCNC3 ай бұрын
Great video! CNC's are fun!
@StudioZ72.create3 ай бұрын
Thank you! Yes they are a lot of fun, can't wait to make some 3D projects!
@Benmeglei13 ай бұрын
That black stain is incredible. I wish I would have seen this sooner. I just stained a red oak canvas frame but it required a few coats and wasn’t as dark as this. I’ll be using this in the future. Thank you.
@StudioZ72.create3 ай бұрын
Thanks! Yes it's one of the only stains that is really black, just be careful if you use it not to sand or abrade it too much. Sometimes it raises the grain ever so slightly and the sanding will take off the color on the raised grain.
@michaelgmyers3 ай бұрын
That looks awesome I'm just now starting my cnc adventure myself. I have pro version of carveco but much prefer fusion. What Cad did you design with
@StudioZ72.create3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! So for the sign I used Carbide Create which is the company that makes my machine (Carbide 3D) but going forward I am trying out Vectric Aspire. Carbide Create Pro does not let you design in 3D from scratch, you can only add things together to make a 3D object. Whereas in Vectric you have full ability to make whatever you want plus it has other features which I hope to use in the future like 4th axis rotary capability. It's expensive but worth it for me, I hope to buy it soon. I'm glad you enjoyed the video, coming up will be a 3D project which I can't wait to do!
@brrman1233 ай бұрын
Very nice and organized shop! Very clean and love that bandsaw. My only other comment is my concern about the unprotected romex cable running down the wall.
@StudioZ72.create3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! Yes that bandsaw is a beast and yet very precise. You are right about the wiring but I'm very careful and originally I set up the shop so that it could be converted back to a regular car garage quickly. It's been like that for ten years and no issues 🤞
@sklikizos3 ай бұрын
I like how much you're able to do in the small space and the principles you've used to manage that. This is a really great video, well explained, well produced. Can't wait to see what else you have in store.
@StudioZ72.create3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it, most of what I do is all about the details which is what this channel will focus on, much more to come!
@Ericq423 ай бұрын
My biggest question is, how in the hell did you move the fully assembled CNC down below your table? Not only based on the weight once it was fully assembled, but also ensuring it stayed squared while making such a drastic move of it based on it's precision? I just have the 2X4 Shapeoko and was always concerned with moving it if I had to, so I built it on a table with locking casters if I had to move it. Hope you enjoy your new CNC. I am enjoying mine, but the learning curve of design has made my use of mine more difficult than I imagined, but with practice and with the help of so many videos on KZread, I am sure it will get easier over time. Thanks for sharing your video.
@StudioZ72.create3 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it, It wasn't too hard to move just awkward to grab. We used lifting straps that went across underneath and with my nephew we managed to get it done. It was heavy but it is solid and didn't budge a millimeter afterwards. I'm loving it, I found that it was fairly easy to learn. In fact, I'm trying out Vectric software because I want to be able to design in 3D from scratch, that will be in an upcoming video making something in 3D. Keep at it and Carbide 3D's group is also very helpful, best of luck!
@DreamWorksWoodShop3 ай бұрын
Hi Pete, Wow! The sign turned out awesome! Sorry, I’m just getting to viewing your video I’ve been a bit been a bit busy. But I was looking forward to it. I wanted to take the time to really enjoy it without having to start and stop it. It seems for a first CNC project you’ve already mastered the process👊 I must admit it was mesmerizing, watching that machine work. Being a traditional woodworker, it’s something I never considered having in my shop but they do have their place. Great job!! it really turned out beautiful. I’m looking forward to the next one!! Make it a great day buddy!!😎
@StudioZ72.create3 ай бұрын
Thanks Walt! No worries it's been crazy at my shop also, I know the feeling. I'm glad you really liked it, I'm looking forward to making something 3 dimensional next time. I was also skeptical to how others would react to the machine/process as it's generally not considered woodworking. I think it can be really cool if mixed in with woodworking, like I was thinking of making some 3D sculpted drawer fronts for a console or something along those lines, either way it's really fun to learn and create with. Have a great week! 👍
@RonKillian3 ай бұрын
Turned out great. Beautiful sign. On a side note, your music is quite loud compared to your voice :(
@StudioZ72.create3 ай бұрын
Thank you! Sorry about that, that was my first time using music, I'll work on it.
@johnterdik47073 ай бұрын
Very nice. How would you establish bit zero if the project board was very irregular?
@StudioZ72.create3 ай бұрын
Thanks! The project board can't be irregular , it has to be the same thickness or else the carving will come out inconsistent. But, you could put an irregular board in the machine and surface it flat first then run your design program using bitzero.
@StudioZ72.create3 ай бұрын
Also, let's say you wanted to use a circular board, well you would first load a square board into the machine and let it cut the circle for you.
@craigdelfino5443 ай бұрын
Great looking sign. Wonderful work 🎉
@StudioZ72.create3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much!
@generalsworkshop3 ай бұрын
Well thought out. The fire place sounds nice! The curtain idea is awesome! It deploys so well. Do you use a drop cloth for the floor in the paint booth?
@StudioZ72.create3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! No drop cloth on the floor, I just deal with the overspray which is minimal. Yeah, maybe next winter I'll have a wood stove in there for heat just weighing my options.
@21blackwood4 ай бұрын
I have a different CNC and (I am assuming) like you space is an issue. I am seriously considering hoisting mine from the ceiling. Yours under your outfeed table is an interesting idea. How long have you had it there any thoughts on having it that low? back/knee/ease of use issues? Your thoughts are appreciated
@StudioZ72.create4 ай бұрын
So in a perfect world I would definitely have it on a table and leave the laptop at the front of the machine(which I could easily do now, just trying to do other work while the machine is running) . I've had it set up now for about 2 weeks and for me the kneeling down isn't a problem, I just really have no other space to be able to dedicate for the machine.
@ScottAllen663 ай бұрын
Love how you put your machine under your outfeed table - I think I'm going to do the same thing when I get mine!
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I am in Australia and just got the Shapeoko 5 Pro with the 2.2 spindle kit, now just waiting for the lot to get here, will be watching your video again then, thanks for down-loading this informative viewing, all the best mate, Allan
That's awesome Allan! I hope they make your installation easier. You will love that machine it's really amazing. Some day I hope to visit Australia, beautiful country! Cheers mate!
@@StudioZ72.create I REALY DO HOPE YOU DO, KEEP IN TOUCH, i MAY BE ABLE TO HELP, MEAN TIME YOU MAY GIVE ME SOME POITERS WITH PROGRAMING, ALL THE BEST MATE, ALLAN
Will do, be sure to take advantage of the free trials offered by design software sites. I settled on Vectric because it worked for me and the way my brain thinks. Carbide Create not so much. There are so many tutorial videos on KZread for whichever software you choose and can help you get started, but feel free to ask me for help or there is a great online forum which I joined for our machine, Carbide3d forum everyone is very helpful and knowledgeable, Best of luck, Pete
Amazing work! Is learning the software very complicated to learn?
Thanks so much! So for the sign I used Carbide Create which is the software from the company that made my machine and it wasn't working for me. I got through it but it doesn't work the same way as my brain thinks. This is generally the case for most design software as you have to try them before you buy and see if it works for you. I am currently using Vectric Aspire and I love it. They have different price levels but for what I plan on doing I needed Aspire. There are a ton of videos to watch and will tutor you making the learning process much easier.
@@StudioZ72.create Many thanks!!
I have a 1kw router from Maffel and it cuts aluminum just fine. I don’t have to min max my time on the machine and can go with lighter cuts.
As long as that works for you then that's great. But, just remember that the lighter cuts you take means that you have to make more passes which means the job takes longer. The purpose of this video was to demonstrate that, and for the viewer to figure out what is best for them. Any router will perform the task it's just how long will it take?
Does the machine stop and start across the cut like that or is that a illusion from the camera?
Hey there! I'm not sure which scene you are referring to but after the first test with both the 1.2 Kw and the 2.2 Kw where the 1.2 Kw ended up failing yes there was chatter in the cut from the machine. When I used the 1/2" upcut endmill on the 2.2 Kw there was chatter on the slower speed pass 100 ipm but not on the faster ones. In the last test with the 3/8" upcut endmill at 3/4" depth of cut there was chatter on the first pass at 100 ipm only and yes I noticed it too that the camera made it appear as if the cut was jagged but it wasn't. Though I did ramp in at the beginning and that causes a slight chatter before it gets all the way into the cut.
Almost makes me wonder what a downcut might look like at 200IPM. (Since... you're cutting wood?)
I think the edges would be clean, I didn't want to try it in this test because down cut bit s are harder on the spindle since the chips are evacuated down into the material you are cutting and not up and out. I didn't have a compression bit on hand but that would have been the best choice.
please cut some aluminium also with half of this parameter
Hey there! Sorry the 1.2 Kw spindle has already been removed from the machine. Only the 2.2 Kw spindle could be tested at this point but I don't work with metals, it's possible , I'll have to look into it.
And the low end torque like for plastic is sweet. Gages
I haven't cut plastics yet, I'm assuming they have to be cut at lower rpm so as not to melt the plastic?
I have a 2.2 kw water cooled 13 yrs now. Stalled it in z 50imp down once but never stalled cutting.
Interesting, what material did it stall in?
Real question without taking away the performance benchmarks. As a hobbyist is there any reason to spend more to go faster? Just fun and maybe for projects that have many repeated small shapes? I watched until end of video and you sort of touched about it but not about the reasons I am curious about.
Much appreciated thanks for watching until the end of the video! So for the hobbyist that only uses it for small shapes and intricate details I would say you do not need the 2.2 Kw spindle. The 1.2 Kw can do everything that the 2.2 Kw can just slower, except use 1/2" shaft bits. You could even get by with just a Makita 65mm router, if you don't mind manually turning on the router and having no RPM control in your toolpaths. You would have to control the RPM manually on the router but the performance would be less than the 1.2 Kw spindle. Now if your using it for a business as you know time is money and I would say then you should consider upgrading to the 2.2 Kw. You can finish jobs faster and as you know time is money.
@@StudioZ72.create The idea of paying off the CNC by using it is very lucrative. Kind of lends itself to that too. That might be reason enough for at least getting a spindle over a router.
Yes in my opinion I would not bother with the router, it takes away from it actually functioning as a CNC when you have to manually control the RPM. If your buying a machine like the Shapeoko 5 Pro or similar it seems silly to put a router on it, it can handle so much more.
Actually, 1.2 little guy holds up very well 😂 Yeah, honestly, everyone of us driving machines a little too soft. Way below the real capacity. Meanwhile Titan CNC dudes driving everything on maxed max maximum overdose supermax 😂 Amazing what those basic spindles, endmills and ballscrews can handle without break down.
Lol! I agree with you, I was very impressed with the 1.2 Kw. I think Titan just goes for the shock aspect to reel you in. However, it is good to know the limits of something. Yes those machines are quite tough but I think everyone is so afraid that they will ruin the accuracy of the machine and so they baby them. Cheers!
What size steppers?
Good question, but it's not listed anywhere. From what I can find the Shapeoko Pro which is a lesser model uses Nema 23 steppers. When I looked at mine they have a sticker on them that reads....Model: STEP200-S5 2.0A(U) 1.8deg/step
So I just measured them also and it looks like they are Nema 23 steppers. I put the calipers on them and I'm getting just over 2.2"
@@StudioZ72.create Nema 23 have a lot of torque.
Torque is awesome but how fast can they spin? I watch the shaft that sticks out the back of the motor while the machine is cutting and the motors are hardly turning. There is still a lot left there, hoping Carbide 3d has a way to bypass the setting they imposed(my assumption) and really show what the Shapeoko 5 Pro is capable of.
I’m have run a ⅜” bit in aluminum with a 0.0375” step over with the 2.2 kw spindle no problem.
Nice! How deep?
@@StudioZ72.create 0.375” depth.
I'd like to see this test with a power meter on the spindle.
On both spindles?
@@StudioZ72.create absolutely. The actual amount of power in use. Particularly as the spindle is slowing down would be very interesting.
Really not much of a comparison video if you're already talking about the 65mm failing. Additionally, 200ipm factory set limit tells me that machine falls short compared to others
The purpose of the test is to point out how far each spindle will go before reaching failure or close to it, and then the consumer can use this information to determine which spindle is right for them when purchasing one. The 200 ipm was discovered during the test and I'm hoping something happens with that. I believe all machines have a governed speed that most of the time has to be manually overridden and this one just happens to be a little low.
The difference is about 1.35 HP. In case no one wants to do the math...
That's pretty cool! Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the 2.2 Kw spindle is around 3 hp? Which would put the 1.2 Kw just under 2 hp? But the difference is in the torque. The 2.2 Kw running on 220 volts and weighing much more than the 1.2 Kw will have much more torque because your spinning a heavier mass.
@@StudioZ72.create I think these are also all measured at peak power which is typically max RPM - running 18k RPM will leave some power on the table. I think that's why it's nice to get the 2.2kW as some bigger bits will not be happy at max rpm.
My 2.2kw will easily run at 400 at .25 depth, even on hard maple
Good to know! Now if I can only find out if it's possible to speed up the Shapeoko 5 Pro above 200 inches per minute. It's not a big deal but it would be nice.
@@StudioZ72.createI believe max right now is 275ipm
Hey there! Just wondering if this is a speed you achieved or heard about? Because I couldn't get my S5 Pro to go above 198 ipm in a straight line during machining. Yes it peaked out at like 270 ipm when moving around after initializing but not while cutting.
Thank you very much for that test! I was leaning towards the 2.2kW spindle in order to eventually machine aluminum, but your comparative test convinced me.
Awesome! I'm so glad it helped you out!
I found it very helpful. I ordered the Altmill last month with the 1.2 spindle. No 220 in my shop. Now I see that I must upgrade to keep my man card valid. Thanks for the great video. I did not know I would be limited to .25 bits.
Thank you!! Lol on the man card! Yes the 1.2 has an er11 collet which only goes up to 1/4" bits, the 2.2 has an er20 collet allowing up to 1/2" bits. I'm glad you found it useful!
Yeah unfortunately I bought a LongMill MK2 and quickly found out they aren’t easily upgradable. You might want to check with Sienci Labs to see if the SLB will be upgradable to a 2.2kw spindle.
That was me asking for the full DOC! Thanks for finally testing and showing what this machine can actually do. It would be nice if every manufacturer did this for us to show off the rigidity!
Your welcome! Yes I wasn't sure if I had gone far enough for the comparison and when I saw your comment I knew I needed more. Thanks for the push, I needed it. Glad you enjoyed it!!
Thanks for doing this comparison! I ordered my Shapeoko 5 Pro 4x4 a few days ago, I went with the 65mm spindle for now since most of my projects tend to be smaller but that 80mm is mighty impressive. Keep up the great work!
Your welcome! You'll be very happy with the 65mm, you can't go wrong with either of these spindles. I'm glad you enjoyed it, Thank you!
Let's see full DOC with a 1/4" compression bit in 3/4" plywood!
You'll have to wait and see! I like the way you think! 👍
I would soke the hose in hot water to get straight. Or use silcon hosing much more flexable. nice just the same. Cheers
Thanks, yes I almost had to do that. This hose was a little stiff but good idea, cheers
that cnc on the floor would drive me nuts, but everyone does what works for them, cheers
I agree it's not ideal but I had no choice for right now, space is very limited. I'm hoping in about 2 years to add on 10 feet to the back of my shop. If that happens then I will have a separate area just for the CNC on a table 🙏 cause I'm not getting any younger :) cheers
I’m considering purchasing the Shapeoko 5 Pro 4X4 and would definitely go with a spindle. For me personally, a 65mm spindle on a 4X4 machine seems like I would be leaving a lot of performance on the table… you definitely made the right call with the 80mm! Thanks for the video, clear and concise. One other thing stands out to me though, how do you keep your shop so neat? My shop looks like a tree exploded in it.
Thank you! To help you out even further this coming Saturday I will be releasing part 2. It will be a head to head comparison test between the 65mm and the 80mm, really helps when your deciding which spindle is right for you. As for my shop, I'm a neat freak but it does look pretty bad after long furniture builds. I clean the machines every day and the shop itself once a week. I have to also because of the channel. Hope this helps you decide, it's a really great machine! :)
@@StudioZ72.create I’m looking forward to to your comparison!
Nice job on the video and walk through!
Thanks so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
cant wait for the head to head video
Awesome! It should be up later this week
What’s the size of your table?
72" x 50"
Wow Pete! Very Cool! I’m happy that your CNC was fine after that mishap.. I’m sure I would’ve reacted the same way. Even us OCD people 😬don’t remember to cross all our T’s and dot our I’s all the time. Securing it to the floor as well as the bench is a good idea. But who would’ve thought it weighing 200 pounds would move anyway, I wouldn’t have.. love the basket weave pattern options just awesome. What a great option for i.e. draw fronts, cabinet doors, or wall art?? etc.. Thanks for sharing. Happy the machine is doing well. Quite the scare there! I hope y’all are doing well. Take care, buddy! 😎
Thanks Walt! Lol yeah I really felt like an idiot after that one. I'm glad you enjoyed the video, I know the CNC stuff isn't quite your thing, but it is fun to watch. Getting busy over here, hope your doing well. Thanks again buddy!
very nice!
Thank You!
I watched your shop tour and shapeoko 5 build, but just some constructive feedback; we don't need to see every pass of every cut you make. Explain the setup, show a few cuts, (the first and last and maybe a couple in between), or timelapse the cutting, show us the finished project. This video is 16 minutes long, 13 minutes of it was you cutting the notches in the legs. I'm not trying to come off as offensive, just giving feedback as to what keeps me watching as another woodworker. Keep it up, you have a beautiful shop. Also, about your shapeoko 5; have you though of putting it on a rolling platform, or maybe get some large drawer slides you can fix to the legs? I know I've seen that in some other videos. It seems like it would make access easier.
Thank you for the feedback, it has been an issue that I have been experimenting with and have been cutting back on. Those were some of my very first videos and my more recent videos contain less footage as you recommended. Watch my coffee table build and let me know what you think? Much appreciated 👍
@@StudioZ72.create Will do. 👍
I bought mine last tax year but I couldn't use it until my husband & I had our surgeries. They were spanned out over the year and recovery is still ongoing, both of us had more surgeries this year as well. Just wanted to say that it was the reason for the long delay, and I was waiting for this tax year to get a computer. So, were you NEW to the software too or do you have some background with coding or similar software? I have NEVER worked with any type of software like this nor with a CNC machine. I use computers for very basic things like google searches. That's pretty much it, so this is gonna be a challenge and adventure for me. I will be starting sometime after Thursday or Friday. It will depend on when my laptop gets delivered, supposed to be on Thursday. I will subscribe. I would love to see what you are doing.
First, I would like to say I hope you and your husband are recovering well. I had 2 surgeries the last of which was 11 months ago so I know the struggle. Yes I was new to the software but I am somewhat decent with computers in general. I will say this I have tried both Carbide Create and Vectric Aspire. For me Carbide Create made simple things difficult to design whereas Vectric was so much easier to use. This may not be the case for everyone it depends on how your brain thinks. Some software works for some but not for others. However, Vectric is pricey but worth it to me. My suggestion is to try different ones and see what works. There are lots of tutorial videos which I watched and at least Vectric has a free trial. Good Luck and thanks for subscribing! I should have another video out soon with a little more challenging 3D design.
What happened? He lost a couple of fingers maybe?
You'll have to watch the long form video of this on my channel, click the link on the short :)
My dream shop
Thanks so much! If your interested check out the long form video on my channel, much more to see!
Thanks for sharing the difficulties. I think it was a beautiful build
Thanks so much! It's very reassuring to hear other peoples opinions especially in this situation, I'm glad you enjoyed it
I’m surprised they didn’t like the grain pattern. I thought it was a clever design.
Thank you!! At least I know I'm not crazy, after all I went through to match the grain top and bottom. I built this for a designer and they wanted it to look all uniform, somewhat artificial. The real problem is my supplier of plywood doesn't allow us to pick the sheets, you get what you get. I have to have a talk with them before I build the second one.
Hey Pete how’d you come up with such a cool creative design? Hey Future Pete would love to see what this table looked like finished!
I'll text you pics, it's for sale if you want to buy it 😉
I appreciate how you explain your thought process and methods before every step. Super helpful for beginners (like me 🙏).
That's awesome Olivia! My business is all about the details and I wondered if it would be too much for viewers attention spans, but I'm glad that you found it helpful 😊
Nice video. I'm guessing by the number of subscribers that you are a fairly new channel. If I could offer a tiny bit of advice it would be watch your audio levels. The biggest mistake I see people make is having uneven audio, like the music and power tool noise was much, much louder than the talking audio. It kinda blasts you when you aren't expecting it. Not meant as criticism, but I watch a lot of videos, and little things like that really make a noticeable difference. Good luck with your channel.
Thanks, yes this was the first time using music and have since adjusted the audio but wasn't aware of the tool volume, thanks for the tip. I will check those levels for sure going forward.
Great video! CNC's are fun!
Thank you! Yes they are a lot of fun, can't wait to make some 3D projects!
That black stain is incredible. I wish I would have seen this sooner. I just stained a red oak canvas frame but it required a few coats and wasn’t as dark as this. I’ll be using this in the future. Thank you.
Thanks! Yes it's one of the only stains that is really black, just be careful if you use it not to sand or abrade it too much. Sometimes it raises the grain ever so slightly and the sanding will take off the color on the raised grain.
That looks awesome I'm just now starting my cnc adventure myself. I have pro version of carveco but much prefer fusion. What Cad did you design with
Thanks so much! So for the sign I used Carbide Create which is the company that makes my machine (Carbide 3D) but going forward I am trying out Vectric Aspire. Carbide Create Pro does not let you design in 3D from scratch, you can only add things together to make a 3D object. Whereas in Vectric you have full ability to make whatever you want plus it has other features which I hope to use in the future like 4th axis rotary capability. It's expensive but worth it for me, I hope to buy it soon. I'm glad you enjoyed the video, coming up will be a 3D project which I can't wait to do!
Very nice and organized shop! Very clean and love that bandsaw. My only other comment is my concern about the unprotected romex cable running down the wall.
Thanks so much! Yes that bandsaw is a beast and yet very precise. You are right about the wiring but I'm very careful and originally I set up the shop so that it could be converted back to a regular car garage quickly. It's been like that for ten years and no issues 🤞
I like how much you're able to do in the small space and the principles you've used to manage that. This is a really great video, well explained, well produced. Can't wait to see what else you have in store.
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it, most of what I do is all about the details which is what this channel will focus on, much more to come!
My biggest question is, how in the hell did you move the fully assembled CNC down below your table? Not only based on the weight once it was fully assembled, but also ensuring it stayed squared while making such a drastic move of it based on it's precision? I just have the 2X4 Shapeoko and was always concerned with moving it if I had to, so I built it on a table with locking casters if I had to move it. Hope you enjoy your new CNC. I am enjoying mine, but the learning curve of design has made my use of mine more difficult than I imagined, but with practice and with the help of so many videos on KZread, I am sure it will get easier over time. Thanks for sharing your video.
Glad you enjoyed it, It wasn't too hard to move just awkward to grab. We used lifting straps that went across underneath and with my nephew we managed to get it done. It was heavy but it is solid and didn't budge a millimeter afterwards. I'm loving it, I found that it was fairly easy to learn. In fact, I'm trying out Vectric software because I want to be able to design in 3D from scratch, that will be in an upcoming video making something in 3D. Keep at it and Carbide 3D's group is also very helpful, best of luck!
Hi Pete, Wow! The sign turned out awesome! Sorry, I’m just getting to viewing your video I’ve been a bit been a bit busy. But I was looking forward to it. I wanted to take the time to really enjoy it without having to start and stop it. It seems for a first CNC project you’ve already mastered the process👊 I must admit it was mesmerizing, watching that machine work. Being a traditional woodworker, it’s something I never considered having in my shop but they do have their place. Great job!! it really turned out beautiful. I’m looking forward to the next one!! Make it a great day buddy!!😎
Thanks Walt! No worries it's been crazy at my shop also, I know the feeling. I'm glad you really liked it, I'm looking forward to making something 3 dimensional next time. I was also skeptical to how others would react to the machine/process as it's generally not considered woodworking. I think it can be really cool if mixed in with woodworking, like I was thinking of making some 3D sculpted drawer fronts for a console or something along those lines, either way it's really fun to learn and create with. Have a great week! 👍
Turned out great. Beautiful sign. On a side note, your music is quite loud compared to your voice :(
Thank you! Sorry about that, that was my first time using music, I'll work on it.
Very nice. How would you establish bit zero if the project board was very irregular?
Thanks! The project board can't be irregular , it has to be the same thickness or else the carving will come out inconsistent. But, you could put an irregular board in the machine and surface it flat first then run your design program using bitzero.
Also, let's say you wanted to use a circular board, well you would first load a square board into the machine and let it cut the circle for you.
Great looking sign. Wonderful work 🎉
Thanks so much!
Well thought out. The fire place sounds nice! The curtain idea is awesome! It deploys so well. Do you use a drop cloth for the floor in the paint booth?
Thanks so much! No drop cloth on the floor, I just deal with the overspray which is minimal. Yeah, maybe next winter I'll have a wood stove in there for heat just weighing my options.
I have a different CNC and (I am assuming) like you space is an issue. I am seriously considering hoisting mine from the ceiling. Yours under your outfeed table is an interesting idea. How long have you had it there any thoughts on having it that low? back/knee/ease of use issues? Your thoughts are appreciated
So in a perfect world I would definitely have it on a table and leave the laptop at the front of the machine(which I could easily do now, just trying to do other work while the machine is running) . I've had it set up now for about 2 weeks and for me the kneeling down isn't a problem, I just really have no other space to be able to dedicate for the machine.
Love how you put your machine under your outfeed table - I think I'm going to do the same thing when I get mine!
Awesome! It really saves space.