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Personally, I'm a Honda guy. Both 25' CRF platforms really have me impressed. Easier to ride and slightly slower than an Austrian 450, but no air forks to tinker with, better OE parts pricing and availability, as well as RWE packages to consider as well. Good question
@Graz235 күн бұрын
@@CasMoto do you think WE will be faster and less smoother engine
@CasMotoКүн бұрын
@@Graz23 Probably just as smooth, but I very much like Yoshimura exhausts and am sure it will help overall output...Can't wait to ride one!
@troyhubbard508 күн бұрын
I know the track wasn't rough but, in all honesty how was it? A lot us Honda die hards have moved on to other brands because the chassis was too freaking stiff, especially on dry hard-pack baked Socal tracks. Is this the Honda that lures us back in? Or is it a bit too early to tell?
@CasMoto5 күн бұрын
Early to tell 100%, but I'm really digging these new 25' CRF's: Easily the best bike they've had in years. Will keep you updated as we prepare for ShootOut season and put more time on it!
@yamac4889 күн бұрын
God, that jump after the big downhill table looks like such a booter
@CasMoto5 күн бұрын
Was a full-floater on this particular practice day! Haven't hit a jump right out of a turn, third-gear hard for quite some time. Intimidating, but FUN
@jpesicka99914 күн бұрын
I’m between this and the 2025 KX250. Thoughts? I ride an 01 CR125R currently.
@CasMoto13 күн бұрын
Decision, decisions...While I have not yet ridden a 2025 KX250, I'm sure it will be leaps and bounds easier to ride than your 5-speed 2001 CR125! 25' Honda CRF250R's are available now, if you can't wait out the Kawasaki arrival. If history repeats itself, Honda quality tends to be a bit better, but the Kawi fits taller (6' plus) riders best. Both will have Showa 49mm forks and similar Renthal 839 bars, so it's almost best to flip a coin if you don't have any brand/dealership loyalties. Personally, I'd hold out for some Kawasaki reviews, and possibly even wait until Spring 2025 when those Team Green deals traditionally arrive. Either way, that's a good spot to be in and enjoy whichever you choose 👍
@jpesicka9992 күн бұрын
@@CasMototy man I will be waiting for sure. I’m 6’1” so that makes the Kawi seem like a good option but it seems like splitting hairs so I will wait for reviews I appreciate the info!
@coreyploof21716 күн бұрын
I’ve been on husky for about 5 seasons, this year I grabbed a 24 kawi 450 because my local dealer got me out the door at 7600 on one.. and I do not regret the color change. I instantly felt comfy soon as I pulled on the track with it I had zero time getting used to a new chassis. I’m a green believer for sure and the fact is was about 4500 dollars cheaper than a FC is even better
@CasMoto16 күн бұрын
Yeah buddy! Love hearing these stories from new owners. Cheers
@soundcloudrapper887416 күн бұрын
I’d still rather listen to two strokes.
@DTM4519 күн бұрын
My wife won’t let me ride anymore.
@AOL032120 күн бұрын
No Horsepower Hill on that circuit? Is that different from the AMA course?
@MotoRacerGC19 күн бұрын
He goes up Horsepower Hill at 1:00. Looks small on camera lol
@AOL032119 күн бұрын
@@MotoRacerGC Yes, thanks. This course is my favorite. I always loved watching the battle between Villopoto and Dungey on this track. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aoJkw9OwqbCnes4.htmlsi=TEJCJO1WfDn_RNpd
@ClarkStar86620 күн бұрын
what practice group is this, looks like a solid group of guys
@CasMoto18 күн бұрын
Group 1 on this day: Int./Pro
@troyhubbard5021 күн бұрын
I own a 2023 and I finally rode my buddy's 24 at Glen Helen Thursday. No joke, the biggest difference I noticed was the front brake! The Brembo system is awesome, obviously. The 24 falls into ruts a bit easier too. I'm sure if I bought one I could get super comfy on it. But for now I'm really happy with my 23. Kawi really outdid themselves with both bikes. I would say they are leading the class as far as chassis feel and comfort when the track gets rough.
@CasMoto18 күн бұрын
I agree, you nailed it. The complete 24' Brembo front assembly is a direct fit on your 23' as well - Just saying!
@troyhubbard5018 күн бұрын
@@CasMoto That's cool I didn't know that. I'll probably just ride my 23 for another year then grab a 25.
@cwtoyota22 күн бұрын
Had a good time meeting and hanging out with you on the 4th of July! Give me or the #845 a shout if you do make it up here for the National race, typically we just go full blast Saturday night and leave Sunday morning.
@CasMoto21 күн бұрын
Great time with a solid group - Always fun to put a face to a name! Cheers CW31
@Its-Moto-Time23 күн бұрын
Was wondering if you had any plans to be at Cahuilla for the OTHG/OTMX races on Sunday Aug. 18th? I've met your dad & Don. You're the missing link so to speak. lol
@CasMoto23 күн бұрын
Not likely at this time, as Summer seems to be less racing and more early AM practice sessions for me! Pops and Don are much more entertaining, by the way - Great characters
@Its-Moto-TimeАй бұрын
Where is everyone? Never seen GH so empty.
@CasMotoАй бұрын
Summer Tuesdays, Noon to closing time at Five, are about as thin as it gets!
@nedwalport4426Ай бұрын
If only they could make it sound like Crazy Frog....
@tlutz275Ай бұрын
You running the stock carb on this bike? If so, do you recall what jetting you were using?
@CasMotoАй бұрын
For this video, was still on the stock Mikuni, yes. Currently on a Keihin 38 PWK AS (with TPS utilized) which is a little less temperamental. Mikuni is good when you keep up on air screw adjustments, and makes as good or better mid-top, but the Keihin has a smoother/cleaner/easier to tune low-end transition. Was running 410/420M, 50P, stock needle but a little leaner at position 2, and 1.5 - 2.25 on the AS depending on temps. Leaner main for hot SoCal summer conditions, 420 once temps cooled off. 50/50 blend of Sunoco 110L/91 pump helps keep any pinging under control, whether running Mikuni or Keihin. Good question, hope this answers it!
@tlutz275Ай бұрын
@@CasMoto great info, thank you! I've heard the PWK is the way to go on these, so I'll likely just end up going that route as well in the future.
@jgreezy744Ай бұрын
Congrats on the test day. It was crazy watching everyone that was there, that reviewed the 2025 CFR250R. They all said the same thing about the bike. No real personal opinions. I watched at least 5 different reviews and they were all the exact same content, scripted even!! What do you think? Any real difference in the feel of the bike over 2024? Do you like it better than the KX's yet? I chatted with you about the differences between the KX250F and the CRF250R. For me, after it was all said and done, I did end up going with a 2022 KX250X. I still love my 2003 CR250R as my number 1, but for the trails, ease of operation, and overall, the KX250X is growing on me.
@CasMotoАй бұрын
1. Congrats on going with the KX250X: Your 22' is a beauty and likely as good or better than anything else that's out there! I still dig my 2020 KX450... 2. 'Any real difference in the feel of the bike over 2024?' - Oh yeah, even on a smooth day where everything comes easy, the balance, stock settings, and even pick-up are better than the 22-24 CRF250's. I'm not sold on the air filter design and consumer ease of use just yet (even if the new airbox location makes the performance better), but more time and testing will tell. Also to note, everyone is given the same PR packet, rides the same track, and had many of the same complaints with the previous generation. Good testers feel a lot of the same sensations, which explains similar feedback. Remember, these are first-impression videos where there's usually less than two hours or so of ride time...Longer term tests are a better indicator than these quick-reaction introductions. 3. 'Do you like it better than the KX's yet?' - No siree Bob. First-year models take time to learn, and the lack of aftermarket supplies is always a hindrance in the beginning. More testing will tell, and it's certainly a positive improvement and the right direction, but I'm not quite there (yet). Reliability, OE parts pricing, looks, and the Honda reputation are strong points for the CRF250R, but we all need more time than just one ride to come to many of these conclusions. The 25' CRF250R was better than I expected it to be, stupid fun to rip around Fox Raceway, but she'll likely come up short in the HP department against other 250F competitors. Not a bad thing, just something to note (And that's even with a 100/90-19 rear tire!). Cheers and Thank You for watching
@jgreezy744Ай бұрын
@@CasMoto Thank you as always for your input!! Keep up the awesome footage, helps us old dudes keep the fire going!!! 😁
@zakrusk5718Ай бұрын
Significant upgrade over current gen bike? As a in the closet Honda fan boy lol I’m curious to know. Thanks for all the videos you put up.
@CasMotoАй бұрын
Yes, quite an improvement. Motor may only be slightly better, but the overall package/handling/and comfort are leaps ahead. A properly setup 2022-2024 is a good bike, but this platform has the ability to be great. Especially for those coming from other brands, it will be a much easier transition. Good question and Thank You for watching
@swampfox899Ай бұрын
nice ride man
@jsflow9049Ай бұрын
You hitting the option roller/double in 2nd?
@CasMotoАй бұрын
At 6:44? That's a third gear corner, upshift to fourth for the rollers on my KX450. If that's not the right section, let me know with a timestamp and I'll be sure to update. Cheers
@jsflow9049Ай бұрын
@@CasMotonah the jump before that at 6:25
@CasMotoАй бұрын
@@jsflow9049 I've heard most 450 riders hit it in second gear (on the gas), but I prefer third. Nice run and arc entering allows for smoother drive. Any track always changes practice session to session, so it's best to feel it out on a day to day basis!
@COWASOGGYАй бұрын
I tried a couple. laps on the main with my 112 and could barely even make it up the step up lol. good riding man
@swampfox8992 ай бұрын
Let's go out here on the Kawasakis team green all the way
@DirtyDiezel2 ай бұрын
Girls only want guys with skills (napoleon dynamite voice) and you got sklls
@brianp3162 ай бұрын
Dude, Mr. Cas, Nice ride!
@mikec_376bmikecontreras62 ай бұрын
dam dude in front you on first couple laps was getting it but looked squirrelly AF!
@christopherevans49782 ай бұрын
How did you get to ride there? I have ridden there before for a Mx group class but I want to go again just for fun
@christopherevans49782 ай бұрын
Think I could make most of these jumps on a 150 2 stroke?
@CasMoto2 ай бұрын
Most of them, yes, but there are a few right out of turns that are more difficult on small-bores! Haha I posted some YZ125 footage from Elsinore with a similar layout, can check that out to see the lines and shift points. Always moto within your ability and enjoy the ride
@christopherevans49782 ай бұрын
@@CasMoto Alr thanks so much probably gonna go there soon haven’t been there in a minute
@anthonyi81642 ай бұрын
Nice riding! What class?
@CasMoto2 ай бұрын
30+ Master (Expert)
@caycehowe2 ай бұрын
Hey man, hope you are ok!! I was there at the Stopwatch Nationals, sucked to see you go down. Sending healing vibes.
@CasMoto2 ай бұрын
Thank You - Fun first moto turned into a rough second, unfortunately. Will be back after a bit!
@patrickbilancione12012 ай бұрын
Track looks like a blast!!
@beverywhereyouare2 ай бұрын
Looks great man !!! So.much fun
@ProperSkill2 ай бұрын
I wish i could ride like that. I been rideing mx since 1996. Everytime I would get fast and hit big jumps I would get injured bad. Thats why I still suck on MX tracks, just tired of getting hurt.
@CasMoto2 ай бұрын
Oddly perfect timing on your comment, just last weekend tipped over and have to take some time off. It happens!
@fusilikevin2 ай бұрын
This guy is one of the most respectful riders I've ever seen(and I'm fricken old). You can see it in his vids and I've seen him on the track (GH) several times. He's one of the fastest guys, yet when he gets into a group he ALWAYS gives the other riders a wide birth-especially kids. I've seen him on a flyer but when he gets in behind someone be it hitting a jump or a turn, he'll shut it down to avoid spooking another rider. He's great to learn good lines from and get a tow over jumps you haven't hit before too😊
@CasMoto2 ай бұрын
Thank You for the more than kind words, I appreciate it! Always up for a tow at the local tracks too
@dustinmartin45992 ай бұрын
@@CasMoto gonna be there this Saturday? Ill be hitting glen helen for the first time. A tow always makes me more comfortable on a new track
@CasMoto2 ай бұрын
@@dustinmartin4599 Not this weekend for me, but have fun checking out GH regardless! Lots of similar-minded riders usually out there for a good follow. Enjoy
@APH.952 ай бұрын
make a bike review video
@AceOfSpadesPRO012 ай бұрын
Wow and you just happened to overshoot that jump a little too which would have been extra bad had you of been aiming towards that bike 😬
@Mira-kf1nw2 ай бұрын
nice vid man
@MasonCalma2 ай бұрын
Was such a fun day i was there
@CaseyLangosh2 ай бұрын
Jeez, glad you're alright 👍🏻
@coreyhockey542 ай бұрын
Well done for turning around and warning the oncoming riders! 👍🏻
@andrewrenner58092 ай бұрын
Not sure why a 25 second clip has to be 5 mins
@Quadz102 ай бұрын
Ashby nice save!! The worst thing you can see…
@seangavingregory43672 ай бұрын
was this yesterday/sunday?
@CasMoto2 ай бұрын
4.27.24
@Chadwick-LaCalUsa2 ай бұрын
With a little shower I bet that place is really sikkk !! Looks fun as hell 👊🏻👍🤠
@OneNineTre2 ай бұрын
My foot hurts 😢
@CasMoto2 ай бұрын
Just thankful it wasn't worse: Could've been horrendous for both of us!
@AOL03212 ай бұрын
Love your videos. Wish we had motocross tracks here in NY like you guys have in California!
@Nerff5542 ай бұрын
Would you recommend this bike or a 24 kx 250?
@CasMoto2 ай бұрын
Both great bikes, just depends on what you're looking for. Kawasaki KX250 is nearing (or at) the end of its' current generation, whereas Yamaha will have a similar YZ250F platform for a number of years...Price-wise, probably better deals on 23/24' KX250's, but resale will be more difficult, even more so if a new 2025+ betters the current design. Yamaha usually has less deals on buying new, but you'll be on the latest and greatest for a number of years. Both have KYB suspension, the KX works slightly better for heavier riders (190 lb. +), but is too stiff for most under 175 lb. At 6' tall, I prefer the KX250 ergos though Yamaha has massively improved in this area on the new bikes (250F/450F). Yamaha has an electronics edge with the Power Tuner app, if that's something you're interested in, but the high-revving and powerful KX250 engine runs extremely clean too and has Kawasaki's tried-and-true coupler system. Can't go wrong either way and new bike time is always the best! Good luck with your decision, sit on each to feel what's comfortable (or better yet: beg, borrow, steal a ride on both if accessible), pencil out the pros and cons, then Enjoy. Cheers
@CreativeCutsMedia222 ай бұрын
What gear on a 250F are you hitting the big dog in the back? I just started hitting everything but that one. Little more consequences but trying to sack up.
@CasMoto2 ай бұрын
3rd gear most 250F's, possibly 4th on a CRF250R if geared +1/+2 rear sprocket from stock. Best advice I can share: Watch a few riders who hit it clean, and even ask one for a tow over it. Best way to gauge speed. Have fun!
@slogo88793 ай бұрын
Nice video, great replies to everyones questions, very informative for anyone (as me) looking to get back to mx. Thanks!
@jophis28523 ай бұрын
Great vid. Thanks for listing the sag and fork height. Was the rest sprocket 50T abd were you running a 114L or 116L chain? Trying to get an idea how far back the rear axle is compared to stock.
@CasMoto3 ай бұрын
Great question and thank you for the kind words. This was my last ride day before some bike prep/updates, so I had stock 13/50 gearing and 114L chain this particular day. That places the axle middle/forward even with a 20+ hour stretched chain. Have since gone to a 13/51 ratio with a proper gold 116L chain, which moves the axle back quite a bit (13/50 with 116L would almost be as far rearward as you can go) - Much improved in my opinion! Especially with stock exhaust and when running 91 pump fuel. Changing either exhaust, fuel, or ECU will perk it up, but I don't believe 450 riders should have to resort to such measures...
@CasMoto3 ай бұрын
@@MX-nv7zb Kawi/Yamaha pros and cons: Kawi is easier to ride, front brake is better, smoother/more linear power character, more forgiving for the average rider. 24' KX450 lacks punch (in stock trim), first-year production models always mean waiting on parts/unknown durability/reliability, good handling but quicker front end than before, and it's physically heavier (and feels it for those coming off the lighter/perkier 2019-2023's). YZ450F engine is way more aggressive/race ready in stock trim, mapping and power tuner app are superior to Kawasaki's, hour meter and lap timer programmed in, great KYB suspension means many can get away with just springs before a revalve, and the overall quality is usually a tick better. Cons are that it's simply ALOT of bike. I've had more sketchy moments on the 23/24' YZ450F's once I'm tired/fatigued over any other bike (except those with air forks...). Engineering and working on them also takes some getting used to. Setup is also a little more critical to find perfect balance and can lack ease of use from track to track. Haven't ridden the new 24.5'+ Austrian platforms, as I haven't been formally invited to test anything from the brands since 2023 model year. Brought too much attention to the air fork maintenance requirements and stiffer frame compared to the preceding models (2019-2022), and apparently someone in the company did not appreciate that. Shame, because the all-new (more forgiving) frame and awesome features like LitPro compatibility and tuning capabilities are truly exciting. Hopefully this changes at some point, but for now I have very little insight into these always competitive machines. Great questions, thanks for watching, and enjoy that new dialed in suspension! AHM does good work and that customization always makes a new bike feel even better. Cheers
@johndepperschmidt89844 ай бұрын
Looks like you bought it? Experiences so far? It looked like you were looking for a rut or a berm. How does it compare? Thanks for posting, nice riding but no commentary.
@CasMoto4 ай бұрын
Not a personal bike, just a single day test session. Good bike with great brakes and suspension package. Not really a fan of the stock Maxxis ST tires which may be why there was a bit of hesitancy in the turns - Good eye. Beta's have solid build quality and stock components, but this bike will take a special buyer for its first-year introduction. With time, I believe it will be an extremely viable Vet class weapon and you'll start seeing more and more of them trackside; there are already quite a few in the wild on the trails (for a reason!)...
@jgreezy7444 ай бұрын
I know this is a year old but, if you recall, which bike did you like better all around between the 2023 KX 250f and the 2023 CRF 250? From track to trail riding more Vet style?
@CasMoto4 ай бұрын
Both great bikes, just very different; Should make deciding between the two an easy decision. At 6' and 185 lb. I greatly prefer the KX250. It's extremely similar to my personal KX450 ergonomically and the suspension favors heavier/faster riders. The chassis is a little more long and stable, but also softer and less suspension critical as well. The engine screams through the mid and top-end, so it's fun to ride aggressively. My only complaint is that you basically have to run TwinAir air filters, as the filter cage and airbox setup is a tight squeeze. The Honda CRF250R fits shorter (under 5'10") and smaller riders much better. The engine has way more bottom, where a normal track that could be 1, 2, 3 or the Kawasaki KX250 is easily 2, 3, 4 on the Honda. Build quality and resale are better than Kawi and air filter changes are simple as well. Ditch the 100/90-19 stock rear tire for a 110/90-19 and it gets even better. Honda is quicker handling, easier to turn, but this can be a blessing or a curse depending on riding style. Both bikes may be seeing a redesign (2025ish) soon, so use that to your advantage if buying new! Also, I mostly ride SoCal moto so take my opinion for what it's worth. For trail, the Honda CRF250RX is a slightly better trail bike option as it has big tank, 18" rear wheel, and kickstand ready to rock. The KX250X lacks the oversize tank but also has 18" and kickstand ready to go. Good question and Thanks for watching
@jgreezy7444 ай бұрын
@@CasMoto Thank you for taking the time. I appreciate it. As I am 49yrs old, 5'9 165 lbs. I mainly ride ACP in Arizona but love Fox Racway in Ca. I currently ride my 2003 CR250, which I love, for the track, and I will never get rid of, but a lot of the "Dudes" I am friends with like to ride the trails and single track, and going up north to Flagstaff @ 7000+ feet elevation is not ideal with the CR250. I want a fuel injected, electric start, 4 stroke for that. I am a Honda rider at hart, but there is just something about the KX250F that has my attention. Lol... part of that is your fault, I dig the footage, you showcase each bike you ride, on kick ass Southern California tracks, no talking, no music, no bull shit. Really helps for planning trips to tracks I want to ride, and for choosing my next bike. What it comes down to is I need to ride both bikes on a track, once I figure that out, I think it will be easier to make a decision. Thanks again for your input, and the quality footage!
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for a vet rider better this or ktm
Personally, I'm a Honda guy. Both 25' CRF platforms really have me impressed. Easier to ride and slightly slower than an Austrian 450, but no air forks to tinker with, better OE parts pricing and availability, as well as RWE packages to consider as well. Good question
@@CasMoto do you think WE will be faster and less smoother engine
@@Graz23 Probably just as smooth, but I very much like Yoshimura exhausts and am sure it will help overall output...Can't wait to ride one!
I know the track wasn't rough but, in all honesty how was it? A lot us Honda die hards have moved on to other brands because the chassis was too freaking stiff, especially on dry hard-pack baked Socal tracks. Is this the Honda that lures us back in? Or is it a bit too early to tell?
Early to tell 100%, but I'm really digging these new 25' CRF's: Easily the best bike they've had in years. Will keep you updated as we prepare for ShootOut season and put more time on it!
God, that jump after the big downhill table looks like such a booter
Was a full-floater on this particular practice day! Haven't hit a jump right out of a turn, third-gear hard for quite some time. Intimidating, but FUN
I’m between this and the 2025 KX250. Thoughts? I ride an 01 CR125R currently.
Decision, decisions...While I have not yet ridden a 2025 KX250, I'm sure it will be leaps and bounds easier to ride than your 5-speed 2001 CR125! 25' Honda CRF250R's are available now, if you can't wait out the Kawasaki arrival. If history repeats itself, Honda quality tends to be a bit better, but the Kawi fits taller (6' plus) riders best. Both will have Showa 49mm forks and similar Renthal 839 bars, so it's almost best to flip a coin if you don't have any brand/dealership loyalties. Personally, I'd hold out for some Kawasaki reviews, and possibly even wait until Spring 2025 when those Team Green deals traditionally arrive. Either way, that's a good spot to be in and enjoy whichever you choose 👍
@@CasMototy man I will be waiting for sure. I’m 6’1” so that makes the Kawi seem like a good option but it seems like splitting hairs so I will wait for reviews I appreciate the info!
I’ve been on husky for about 5 seasons, this year I grabbed a 24 kawi 450 because my local dealer got me out the door at 7600 on one.. and I do not regret the color change. I instantly felt comfy soon as I pulled on the track with it I had zero time getting used to a new chassis. I’m a green believer for sure and the fact is was about 4500 dollars cheaper than a FC is even better
Yeah buddy! Love hearing these stories from new owners. Cheers
I’d still rather listen to two strokes.
My wife won’t let me ride anymore.
No Horsepower Hill on that circuit? Is that different from the AMA course?
He goes up Horsepower Hill at 1:00. Looks small on camera lol
@@MotoRacerGC Yes, thanks. This course is my favorite. I always loved watching the battle between Villopoto and Dungey on this track. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aoJkw9OwqbCnes4.htmlsi=TEJCJO1WfDn_RNpd
what practice group is this, looks like a solid group of guys
Group 1 on this day: Int./Pro
I own a 2023 and I finally rode my buddy's 24 at Glen Helen Thursday. No joke, the biggest difference I noticed was the front brake! The Brembo system is awesome, obviously. The 24 falls into ruts a bit easier too. I'm sure if I bought one I could get super comfy on it. But for now I'm really happy with my 23. Kawi really outdid themselves with both bikes. I would say they are leading the class as far as chassis feel and comfort when the track gets rough.
I agree, you nailed it. The complete 24' Brembo front assembly is a direct fit on your 23' as well - Just saying!
@@CasMoto That's cool I didn't know that. I'll probably just ride my 23 for another year then grab a 25.
Had a good time meeting and hanging out with you on the 4th of July! Give me or the #845 a shout if you do make it up here for the National race, typically we just go full blast Saturday night and leave Sunday morning.
Great time with a solid group - Always fun to put a face to a name! Cheers CW31
Was wondering if you had any plans to be at Cahuilla for the OTHG/OTMX races on Sunday Aug. 18th? I've met your dad & Don. You're the missing link so to speak. lol
Not likely at this time, as Summer seems to be less racing and more early AM practice sessions for me! Pops and Don are much more entertaining, by the way - Great characters
Where is everyone? Never seen GH so empty.
Summer Tuesdays, Noon to closing time at Five, are about as thin as it gets!
If only they could make it sound like Crazy Frog....
You running the stock carb on this bike? If so, do you recall what jetting you were using?
For this video, was still on the stock Mikuni, yes. Currently on a Keihin 38 PWK AS (with TPS utilized) which is a little less temperamental. Mikuni is good when you keep up on air screw adjustments, and makes as good or better mid-top, but the Keihin has a smoother/cleaner/easier to tune low-end transition. Was running 410/420M, 50P, stock needle but a little leaner at position 2, and 1.5 - 2.25 on the AS depending on temps. Leaner main for hot SoCal summer conditions, 420 once temps cooled off. 50/50 blend of Sunoco 110L/91 pump helps keep any pinging under control, whether running Mikuni or Keihin. Good question, hope this answers it!
@@CasMoto great info, thank you! I've heard the PWK is the way to go on these, so I'll likely just end up going that route as well in the future.
Congrats on the test day. It was crazy watching everyone that was there, that reviewed the 2025 CFR250R. They all said the same thing about the bike. No real personal opinions. I watched at least 5 different reviews and they were all the exact same content, scripted even!! What do you think? Any real difference in the feel of the bike over 2024? Do you like it better than the KX's yet? I chatted with you about the differences between the KX250F and the CRF250R. For me, after it was all said and done, I did end up going with a 2022 KX250X. I still love my 2003 CR250R as my number 1, but for the trails, ease of operation, and overall, the KX250X is growing on me.
1. Congrats on going with the KX250X: Your 22' is a beauty and likely as good or better than anything else that's out there! I still dig my 2020 KX450... 2. 'Any real difference in the feel of the bike over 2024?' - Oh yeah, even on a smooth day where everything comes easy, the balance, stock settings, and even pick-up are better than the 22-24 CRF250's. I'm not sold on the air filter design and consumer ease of use just yet (even if the new airbox location makes the performance better), but more time and testing will tell. Also to note, everyone is given the same PR packet, rides the same track, and had many of the same complaints with the previous generation. Good testers feel a lot of the same sensations, which explains similar feedback. Remember, these are first-impression videos where there's usually less than two hours or so of ride time...Longer term tests are a better indicator than these quick-reaction introductions. 3. 'Do you like it better than the KX's yet?' - No siree Bob. First-year models take time to learn, and the lack of aftermarket supplies is always a hindrance in the beginning. More testing will tell, and it's certainly a positive improvement and the right direction, but I'm not quite there (yet). Reliability, OE parts pricing, looks, and the Honda reputation are strong points for the CRF250R, but we all need more time than just one ride to come to many of these conclusions. The 25' CRF250R was better than I expected it to be, stupid fun to rip around Fox Raceway, but she'll likely come up short in the HP department against other 250F competitors. Not a bad thing, just something to note (And that's even with a 100/90-19 rear tire!). Cheers and Thank You for watching
@@CasMoto Thank you as always for your input!! Keep up the awesome footage, helps us old dudes keep the fire going!!! 😁
Significant upgrade over current gen bike? As a in the closet Honda fan boy lol I’m curious to know. Thanks for all the videos you put up.
Yes, quite an improvement. Motor may only be slightly better, but the overall package/handling/and comfort are leaps ahead. A properly setup 2022-2024 is a good bike, but this platform has the ability to be great. Especially for those coming from other brands, it will be a much easier transition. Good question and Thank You for watching
nice ride man
You hitting the option roller/double in 2nd?
At 6:44? That's a third gear corner, upshift to fourth for the rollers on my KX450. If that's not the right section, let me know with a timestamp and I'll be sure to update. Cheers
@@CasMotonah the jump before that at 6:25
@@jsflow9049 I've heard most 450 riders hit it in second gear (on the gas), but I prefer third. Nice run and arc entering allows for smoother drive. Any track always changes practice session to session, so it's best to feel it out on a day to day basis!
I tried a couple. laps on the main with my 112 and could barely even make it up the step up lol. good riding man
Let's go out here on the Kawasakis team green all the way
Girls only want guys with skills (napoleon dynamite voice) and you got sklls
Dude, Mr. Cas, Nice ride!
dam dude in front you on first couple laps was getting it but looked squirrelly AF!
How did you get to ride there? I have ridden there before for a Mx group class but I want to go again just for fun
Think I could make most of these jumps on a 150 2 stroke?
Most of them, yes, but there are a few right out of turns that are more difficult on small-bores! Haha I posted some YZ125 footage from Elsinore with a similar layout, can check that out to see the lines and shift points. Always moto within your ability and enjoy the ride
@@CasMoto Alr thanks so much probably gonna go there soon haven’t been there in a minute
Nice riding! What class?
30+ Master (Expert)
Hey man, hope you are ok!! I was there at the Stopwatch Nationals, sucked to see you go down. Sending healing vibes.
Thank You - Fun first moto turned into a rough second, unfortunately. Will be back after a bit!
Track looks like a blast!!
Looks great man !!! So.much fun
I wish i could ride like that. I been rideing mx since 1996. Everytime I would get fast and hit big jumps I would get injured bad. Thats why I still suck on MX tracks, just tired of getting hurt.
Oddly perfect timing on your comment, just last weekend tipped over and have to take some time off. It happens!
This guy is one of the most respectful riders I've ever seen(and I'm fricken old). You can see it in his vids and I've seen him on the track (GH) several times. He's one of the fastest guys, yet when he gets into a group he ALWAYS gives the other riders a wide birth-especially kids. I've seen him on a flyer but when he gets in behind someone be it hitting a jump or a turn, he'll shut it down to avoid spooking another rider. He's great to learn good lines from and get a tow over jumps you haven't hit before too😊
Thank You for the more than kind words, I appreciate it! Always up for a tow at the local tracks too
@@CasMoto gonna be there this Saturday? Ill be hitting glen helen for the first time. A tow always makes me more comfortable on a new track
@@dustinmartin4599 Not this weekend for me, but have fun checking out GH regardless! Lots of similar-minded riders usually out there for a good follow. Enjoy
make a bike review video
Wow and you just happened to overshoot that jump a little too which would have been extra bad had you of been aiming towards that bike 😬
nice vid man
Was such a fun day i was there
Jeez, glad you're alright 👍🏻
Well done for turning around and warning the oncoming riders! 👍🏻
Not sure why a 25 second clip has to be 5 mins
Ashby nice save!! The worst thing you can see…
was this yesterday/sunday?
4.27.24
With a little shower I bet that place is really sikkk !! Looks fun as hell 👊🏻👍🤠
My foot hurts 😢
Just thankful it wasn't worse: Could've been horrendous for both of us!
Love your videos. Wish we had motocross tracks here in NY like you guys have in California!
Would you recommend this bike or a 24 kx 250?
Both great bikes, just depends on what you're looking for. Kawasaki KX250 is nearing (or at) the end of its' current generation, whereas Yamaha will have a similar YZ250F platform for a number of years...Price-wise, probably better deals on 23/24' KX250's, but resale will be more difficult, even more so if a new 2025+ betters the current design. Yamaha usually has less deals on buying new, but you'll be on the latest and greatest for a number of years. Both have KYB suspension, the KX works slightly better for heavier riders (190 lb. +), but is too stiff for most under 175 lb. At 6' tall, I prefer the KX250 ergos though Yamaha has massively improved in this area on the new bikes (250F/450F). Yamaha has an electronics edge with the Power Tuner app, if that's something you're interested in, but the high-revving and powerful KX250 engine runs extremely clean too and has Kawasaki's tried-and-true coupler system. Can't go wrong either way and new bike time is always the best! Good luck with your decision, sit on each to feel what's comfortable (or better yet: beg, borrow, steal a ride on both if accessible), pencil out the pros and cons, then Enjoy. Cheers
What gear on a 250F are you hitting the big dog in the back? I just started hitting everything but that one. Little more consequences but trying to sack up.
3rd gear most 250F's, possibly 4th on a CRF250R if geared +1/+2 rear sprocket from stock. Best advice I can share: Watch a few riders who hit it clean, and even ask one for a tow over it. Best way to gauge speed. Have fun!
Nice video, great replies to everyones questions, very informative for anyone (as me) looking to get back to mx. Thanks!
Great vid. Thanks for listing the sag and fork height. Was the rest sprocket 50T abd were you running a 114L or 116L chain? Trying to get an idea how far back the rear axle is compared to stock.
Great question and thank you for the kind words. This was my last ride day before some bike prep/updates, so I had stock 13/50 gearing and 114L chain this particular day. That places the axle middle/forward even with a 20+ hour stretched chain. Have since gone to a 13/51 ratio with a proper gold 116L chain, which moves the axle back quite a bit (13/50 with 116L would almost be as far rearward as you can go) - Much improved in my opinion! Especially with stock exhaust and when running 91 pump fuel. Changing either exhaust, fuel, or ECU will perk it up, but I don't believe 450 riders should have to resort to such measures...
@@MX-nv7zb Kawi/Yamaha pros and cons: Kawi is easier to ride, front brake is better, smoother/more linear power character, more forgiving for the average rider. 24' KX450 lacks punch (in stock trim), first-year production models always mean waiting on parts/unknown durability/reliability, good handling but quicker front end than before, and it's physically heavier (and feels it for those coming off the lighter/perkier 2019-2023's). YZ450F engine is way more aggressive/race ready in stock trim, mapping and power tuner app are superior to Kawasaki's, hour meter and lap timer programmed in, great KYB suspension means many can get away with just springs before a revalve, and the overall quality is usually a tick better. Cons are that it's simply ALOT of bike. I've had more sketchy moments on the 23/24' YZ450F's once I'm tired/fatigued over any other bike (except those with air forks...). Engineering and working on them also takes some getting used to. Setup is also a little more critical to find perfect balance and can lack ease of use from track to track. Haven't ridden the new 24.5'+ Austrian platforms, as I haven't been formally invited to test anything from the brands since 2023 model year. Brought too much attention to the air fork maintenance requirements and stiffer frame compared to the preceding models (2019-2022), and apparently someone in the company did not appreciate that. Shame, because the all-new (more forgiving) frame and awesome features like LitPro compatibility and tuning capabilities are truly exciting. Hopefully this changes at some point, but for now I have very little insight into these always competitive machines. Great questions, thanks for watching, and enjoy that new dialed in suspension! AHM does good work and that customization always makes a new bike feel even better. Cheers
Looks like you bought it? Experiences so far? It looked like you were looking for a rut or a berm. How does it compare? Thanks for posting, nice riding but no commentary.
Not a personal bike, just a single day test session. Good bike with great brakes and suspension package. Not really a fan of the stock Maxxis ST tires which may be why there was a bit of hesitancy in the turns - Good eye. Beta's have solid build quality and stock components, but this bike will take a special buyer for its first-year introduction. With time, I believe it will be an extremely viable Vet class weapon and you'll start seeing more and more of them trackside; there are already quite a few in the wild on the trails (for a reason!)...
I know this is a year old but, if you recall, which bike did you like better all around between the 2023 KX 250f and the 2023 CRF 250? From track to trail riding more Vet style?
Both great bikes, just very different; Should make deciding between the two an easy decision. At 6' and 185 lb. I greatly prefer the KX250. It's extremely similar to my personal KX450 ergonomically and the suspension favors heavier/faster riders. The chassis is a little more long and stable, but also softer and less suspension critical as well. The engine screams through the mid and top-end, so it's fun to ride aggressively. My only complaint is that you basically have to run TwinAir air filters, as the filter cage and airbox setup is a tight squeeze. The Honda CRF250R fits shorter (under 5'10") and smaller riders much better. The engine has way more bottom, where a normal track that could be 1, 2, 3 or the Kawasaki KX250 is easily 2, 3, 4 on the Honda. Build quality and resale are better than Kawi and air filter changes are simple as well. Ditch the 100/90-19 stock rear tire for a 110/90-19 and it gets even better. Honda is quicker handling, easier to turn, but this can be a blessing or a curse depending on riding style. Both bikes may be seeing a redesign (2025ish) soon, so use that to your advantage if buying new! Also, I mostly ride SoCal moto so take my opinion for what it's worth. For trail, the Honda CRF250RX is a slightly better trail bike option as it has big tank, 18" rear wheel, and kickstand ready to rock. The KX250X lacks the oversize tank but also has 18" and kickstand ready to go. Good question and Thanks for watching
@@CasMoto Thank you for taking the time. I appreciate it. As I am 49yrs old, 5'9 165 lbs. I mainly ride ACP in Arizona but love Fox Racway in Ca. I currently ride my 2003 CR250, which I love, for the track, and I will never get rid of, but a lot of the "Dudes" I am friends with like to ride the trails and single track, and going up north to Flagstaff @ 7000+ feet elevation is not ideal with the CR250. I want a fuel injected, electric start, 4 stroke for that. I am a Honda rider at hart, but there is just something about the KX250F that has my attention. Lol... part of that is your fault, I dig the footage, you showcase each bike you ride, on kick ass Southern California tracks, no talking, no music, no bull shit. Really helps for planning trips to tracks I want to ride, and for choosing my next bike. What it comes down to is I need to ride both bikes on a track, once I figure that out, I think it will be easier to make a decision. Thanks again for your input, and the quality footage!