4 years too late and you probably heard this but here's a theory The metal heads are like the Flood, they're parasitic creatures that feed on Precursors and after getting that taste they wanted more. I mean, they're basically bugs and Daxter PSP has him the exterminator on a couple metal head bugs. As for the time travel thing, Kor knew Jak because he met Mar and needed to ensure his descendant is deceased or used to aid in his goal for the Precursors. So there's that. Plus the game established the secrets of the Precursors is lost to the ages even before the first game so its up to Jak to find and unlock the unknown
@entropic-decay14 күн бұрын
Note: there's now an additional way to play the series. An official port by the creator of the series on steam, called Submachine: Legacy
@moonwalkdreamer20 күн бұрын
Announcement for the fans ! (for who don't know) Submachine Legacy is on Steam and mr. Mateusz smashed the boundaries with his creation. Totally worth checking by anyone who liked it. Also, Submachine card game is on Kickstarter, reached the goal in 2.5 days, now working on strech goals.
@misanthropicservitorofmars211622 күн бұрын
I got this wild idea that Kor is literally Gol and Maia. They were fused together with the precursor robot when they fell into the dark eco silo. It explains the metal in their heads (being part precursor robot), Kor being a brood mother who births all the eggs works because it’s part Maia, a woman. It explains why Kor seems to know everything already. I also personally believe the precursors on this planet gave up their original creation plans because of the dark makers. Not because of the metal heads.
@JayVonJayixth23 күн бұрын
Ever wonder if the way the Precursors fight their wars is to utilize endless time loops, to secure specific events in the timeline? The outcome will always be the same as the events would lead up to a favorable scenario. Now from there, they try to chain different periods of time connecting them via favorable time loops to achieve the same outcome of victory. Supposing our "time warrior" Jak is the original Mar, the Precursors can win specific periods of time by bringing different versions Jak there or keeping him there until events can guarantee either something plausible that will transition into an inevitable future. Control over time periods and control between time periods. Kor's approach was extermination. His impatience is notable and is short-term. The Precursors had a long-term plan to set him back through weaponizing time, eventually winning far in the future.
@moodyowlproductions4287Ай бұрын
Me"so metal heads...where did you come from" Metal heads"honestly we have no clue..last thing we remember we showed up in this land and just went from there"
@metaKnightSpamer777Ай бұрын
Sub 6 was the first game I needed to wait for; & every time a new one came out, felt like an important experience;
@akaMaddyАй бұрын
If anyone is reading this, the Remake Age of Mythology: Retold is planned to release in september 2024 for PC & xbox! 🥳
@jgtheman84Ай бұрын
I can’t wait.
@SaleriasАй бұрын
The theory makes sense. I for my part had as another explanation on what happened to the metal heads or why they seem to get travel back from the future that they got banished there in the past. So basicly the same idea as in Skyrim with the dragons. In the past the Precursor were losing the war against the metal heads and they then send them into another time (in this case future maybe to fight them more prepared in the future or at least have more time for planning). From there they used the rift gates to travel through time. That would at least for me explain on were the metal heads went between the ancient Precursor war and the moment they arrived through the gate because for it always sounded like they were present on the planet long before Jak 1 but were no where seen during Jak 1. If the rift gates only allow travel to special moments in time (or the gate needs to be active) it can be explained that this was the earliest moment they could travel back after they got send to the future. His comment with "the final rift gate has been opened" would not even get in the way because it is possible that the others got activated later (time frame between Jak 1 and Jak 2 or even long after Jak 3 so even more in the future) So the timeline for the metal heads would be: Ancient war against Precursor -> Time around Jak 2 -> Travel back to Jak 1 -> time passes normal until they arive back at the moment the rift gate opens -> Time after Jak 2 normal. I don't know if Kor traveled back as well or if it only were the "normal" metal heads but in this unsiverse it doesn't seem to be a problem if one and the same person exists more then one time at any moment. Something must have happend to them between the time of the Precursor war and Jak 1 because otherwise they have been somewhere. The power they have seems to be pretty great the time of Jak 2 so we would have seen at least any hint that they are sill around. Also if they would have been around during that time they would not need to travel back in time because, well they already would be there somewhere. The only reason to travel back in that case would be because they only noticed there where he is on the planet but I then again we would most likely see any kind of hint that they exist at all.
@Uberdude6666Ай бұрын
The beauty of making a story about t ime paradox, is that you can legitimately tell people "Don't think too hard about it"
@startek119Ай бұрын
Kind of weird the precursors on Jaks world would lose to metal heads. Big tech difference. And then Baron Praxis without precursor tech fends off the metal heads for so long?
@ActualitieАй бұрын
Just played through the games, watched some videos and read as much as I could and this is my theory on the timeline: Jak is Mar, who after the events of Jak 3 makes his way back in time to the precursor age to become their hero While back in time and embracing his birth name, the metalhead threat is massive and they need him. This is where the timeline starts to split as “Mar” realizes the bread crumbs he has to leave for his future self, precursor technology in different areas and clues he experienced Kor and the metalheads never truly get defeated and are obsessed with the technology, interacting with Jak/Mar and learning the time loop somehow and how he’s a part of it. Spends millennia waiting for the last one to open where Haven will stand in a separate timeline at that exact moment. The portal opens, he sees the wretched boy he’s fought against again finally, ready for Jak to be pulled in to start the haven time loop which would only exist because he brought his army into a portal into the past to start the invasion in this timeline changing the future and re-entering the portal to find young Mar Mars descendants live through the invasion, build haven, get cast out and young Jak with his medallion from Damas is ready to meet Kor. Kor has two years to find young Jak and twist the story, keeping with the time loop enough that he can interject at anytime but unknowingly falls into the predetermined path of adult Jak and then we get Jak 3 I’d love to hear any thoughts 😅
@odiagam57552 ай бұрын
Update : Even though the last of us already exist on pc platform, i tested the ps3 emulated last of us in 2024 and yess it still unplayable crap 😂 ...
@AURELIAN-restitutororbis2 ай бұрын
To date the VERY BEST point and click game I have EVER played. Submachine Legacy was worth every cent. I fucking love it
@kev20342 ай бұрын
RIP Yuzu
@Warfield_vrc2 ай бұрын
i mean you can play ps5 on pc now.
@Localcryptiid2 ай бұрын
i didnt even know anyone else knew about these games, its incredible to see, nice vid
@rx-08623 ай бұрын
naughty dog should just reboot the series, so much potential for a multi series universe
@forevrmore953 ай бұрын
This and the Exmortis series were absolutely top tier point and click, not many could touch them!
@torchilicho3 ай бұрын
The end of Jak three i think Jak goes back as Mar, at some point before the future (Jak II) and the past (Jak and Daxter). Then came back one second after he left to the past in Jak 3.
@rmarshall77443 ай бұрын
I finally returned to submachine after never getting past 2 as a kid. Without getting into it too much, the friend who put me onto them died tragically extremely young and I feel like I owe it to him to give these games another try. I'm on 5 right now, and I'm going to play through them all for him. He died before the series was ever completed, and I wish I had listened to him back then and we could have talked about it more together. These games are genius
@redtail5645 ай бұрын
RPCS3 still proves that these games can be emulated. Sony literally abandoned the PS3 once the PS4 came out. This is hardware from 2005. It is 2024 and there are still idiots trying their absolute to defend Sony. A lot of us bought their digital games and they still won't let us access them on the PS5.
@mattyb15915 ай бұрын
It makes me wonder how do metal heads travel to other planets? Do they have tech? And are there other leaders as well aside from Kor?
@TMORAF5 ай бұрын
If you are looking to the continuation of Aethersx2, there is Daemonsx2
@michagrill94325 ай бұрын
Submachine legacy released a couple months ago on steam wich is pretty much a remake of all submachine games by the maker of the original put into one big game. If you like them so much its worth checking it out
@3N1StaticGaming5 ай бұрын
The more you think about it the more it hurts the brain ~ Daxter
@hotman7185 ай бұрын
Interplay had a falling out with Snowblind and they also lost the license to produce D&D games. Chances of Dark Alliance 3 coming out are slim to none, unless Wizards of The Coast allows someone to develop it.
@DANtheMANofSIPA5 ай бұрын
Jak goes back in time and does the whole rift gate stuff and fight against Kor during the end of Jak 3.
@Direwoof5 ай бұрын
Xenia emulator absolute gobbage still imo, tried to ply lost odyssey and just had so many issues on a high spec gaming pc. clicking audio visual bugs. Just awful Even RPCS3 is drastically better.
@deathrow199616 ай бұрын
Honestly your theory is plausible entirely, but mine is that Gol and Maya fused together in the dark eco with the messed up precursor tech, opening the portal opens the silos they were trapped in, below the metalhead leader IS THE SILOS as it is a deep seemingly never ending hole, after all Kor's jaw kinda looks like Gol's, maybe vaguely but mine is also just a theory.
@deathrow199616 ай бұрын
The dark eco 'probably' destroyed them, but maybe not
@fhuckgoogle41716 ай бұрын
I’d say they came from space, searching for precursor eggs.
@phantomgamer126 ай бұрын
There’s a theory that jaks uncle(the explorer) has a precursor stone on his cane/staff
@AlrightThere6 ай бұрын
I find it cool how the story in Jak is very similar to World of Warcraft. The metal heads are the legion and the precursors are the titans.
@SpiralDemonic6 ай бұрын
3:17 As a reference the 360's Infinite Undiscovery much like the ps3's malicious. Popularity is the ultimate decider as 360 fans aren't known for there lov of rpgs and sony fans only play what's trendy. Even if the 360 had more exclusives, the 360 fans at the time wouldn't play them if it wasn't a shooter or sports game.
@NBWDOUGHBOY6 ай бұрын
Here again. 👋. Looking at this video again. I really wonder if PS4 will have the same issues as PS3? PS4 was released on technology me akin to PC. I wonder if it would be easier to emulate overall.
@Bargate6 ай бұрын
PS4 emulator runs but only 2D games like Sonic Mania so it's fairly useless atm but it will get there. They got bloodborne to boot to the menu screen but nothing past that yet. It being more similar to PC didn't really help it much. Then again most emulators take over a decade to get good example Dolphin didn't even emulate GameCube games well till well into the Wiis lifespan even though now it's probably the best emulator.
@NBWDOUGHBOY6 ай бұрын
@@Bargate Yeah very True. It always takes a really long time for sure
@victorlacerda46036 ай бұрын
Sorry, couldn't watch the entire video. I died from dehydration at 07:20
@mfebriansyahvi55996 ай бұрын
Why dark alliance 3 not realize? I waiting since 12 years ago
@omk5736 ай бұрын
I just beat submachine legacy, my experience with it felt pretty special to me. When i was a kid i remember playing and seeing a few if the submachine games, i dont think i ever beat to many of them because ot scared me way too much. Earlier this year i remembered a couple of games that i couldn't quite remember fully but i just remember the fear and a few odd details. All i remember of submachine was the gimmick of the loop and the note about the black cat. I knew i had to find it but i put it off. Fast foward later 2023 i just randomly opened steam and i see "submachine: legacy" and immediately knew that was the game i remembered.
@phil410557 ай бұрын
I played all of these games as a kid. The loop was my favorite!
@mikebrostlove137 ай бұрын
As of today it doesn't boot the game rps3 is a scam
@kwisatzhaderach95917 ай бұрын
I absolutely love the open ended mysterious of the Jak and Daxter franchise. It's such an amazing universe to explore, and it's great years later to know I'm not the only one that has made head canons with what lore we do have. I don't think Naughty Dog can do it justice with a 4th game (just looking at Last of us 2 and making movies instead of games) but there's sooooo much deep potential to explore.
@hzkjoncee7 ай бұрын
SH2 never felt scary nor looked it. It was more like just abandoned but SH3 always makes you fight for Heather's life and it looks actually scary. My ranking is SH1, SH4, SH3 and SH2.
@nathanlamberth76317 ай бұрын
I don't think the metal heads have a stated origin on the planet. It's most likely that the few metal heads that traverse the portal into the past are not the start of the invasion. Instead I think it's more the other way around. Jak was placed into the past before the metal heads found the planet so he could he could grow up safely. When Samos says "so this is how it happened" he's saying "this is how the adventure started." It's confusing phrasing, and it relies on circumstance for the metal heads to find the planet, but seeking out precursor planets are their thing anyways. This also allows the metal head invasion to start much later and haven city could now be build in preparation of their arrival not in response.
@andrew24778 ай бұрын
Turn on the captions for this video if you want a good laugh 😂🤣 also this is a really nice video. I'm so glad someone finally tried to delve into the lore of the metal heads.
@snejkcz95658 ай бұрын
I completed this game a few days ago. It was awesome experience. The games (from Basement to The Exit) was exactly the same like the original ones, even they looks better.
@KhoiV8 ай бұрын
it's so rare to find a youtuber talk about Submachine, thank you.
@cecilia.e8 ай бұрын
Submaachine Legacy has recently been released in Steam. it is the whole game remastered plus a lot of new content, all in one game. An absolute masterpiece.
@kartikpundir-ph9cp8 ай бұрын
Ps3 emulator for android
@jscoutfly8018 ай бұрын
“Honey, the more you think about it, the more it hurts your head” That line from daxter was a direct message from the writers to the audience to not think about it too hard, so i don’t. I appreciate your valiant effort though 🫡.
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4 years too late and you probably heard this but here's a theory The metal heads are like the Flood, they're parasitic creatures that feed on Precursors and after getting that taste they wanted more. I mean, they're basically bugs and Daxter PSP has him the exterminator on a couple metal head bugs. As for the time travel thing, Kor knew Jak because he met Mar and needed to ensure his descendant is deceased or used to aid in his goal for the Precursors. So there's that. Plus the game established the secrets of the Precursors is lost to the ages even before the first game so its up to Jak to find and unlock the unknown
Note: there's now an additional way to play the series. An official port by the creator of the series on steam, called Submachine: Legacy
Announcement for the fans ! (for who don't know) Submachine Legacy is on Steam and mr. Mateusz smashed the boundaries with his creation. Totally worth checking by anyone who liked it. Also, Submachine card game is on Kickstarter, reached the goal in 2.5 days, now working on strech goals.
I got this wild idea that Kor is literally Gol and Maia. They were fused together with the precursor robot when they fell into the dark eco silo. It explains the metal in their heads (being part precursor robot), Kor being a brood mother who births all the eggs works because it’s part Maia, a woman. It explains why Kor seems to know everything already. I also personally believe the precursors on this planet gave up their original creation plans because of the dark makers. Not because of the metal heads.
Ever wonder if the way the Precursors fight their wars is to utilize endless time loops, to secure specific events in the timeline? The outcome will always be the same as the events would lead up to a favorable scenario. Now from there, they try to chain different periods of time connecting them via favorable time loops to achieve the same outcome of victory. Supposing our "time warrior" Jak is the original Mar, the Precursors can win specific periods of time by bringing different versions Jak there or keeping him there until events can guarantee either something plausible that will transition into an inevitable future. Control over time periods and control between time periods. Kor's approach was extermination. His impatience is notable and is short-term. The Precursors had a long-term plan to set him back through weaponizing time, eventually winning far in the future.
Me"so metal heads...where did you come from" Metal heads"honestly we have no clue..last thing we remember we showed up in this land and just went from there"
Sub 6 was the first game I needed to wait for; & every time a new one came out, felt like an important experience;
If anyone is reading this, the Remake Age of Mythology: Retold is planned to release in september 2024 for PC & xbox! 🥳
I can’t wait.
The theory makes sense. I for my part had as another explanation on what happened to the metal heads or why they seem to get travel back from the future that they got banished there in the past. So basicly the same idea as in Skyrim with the dragons. In the past the Precursor were losing the war against the metal heads and they then send them into another time (in this case future maybe to fight them more prepared in the future or at least have more time for planning). From there they used the rift gates to travel through time. That would at least for me explain on were the metal heads went between the ancient Precursor war and the moment they arrived through the gate because for it always sounded like they were present on the planet long before Jak 1 but were no where seen during Jak 1. If the rift gates only allow travel to special moments in time (or the gate needs to be active) it can be explained that this was the earliest moment they could travel back after they got send to the future. His comment with "the final rift gate has been opened" would not even get in the way because it is possible that the others got activated later (time frame between Jak 1 and Jak 2 or even long after Jak 3 so even more in the future) So the timeline for the metal heads would be: Ancient war against Precursor -> Time around Jak 2 -> Travel back to Jak 1 -> time passes normal until they arive back at the moment the rift gate opens -> Time after Jak 2 normal. I don't know if Kor traveled back as well or if it only were the "normal" metal heads but in this unsiverse it doesn't seem to be a problem if one and the same person exists more then one time at any moment. Something must have happend to them between the time of the Precursor war and Jak 1 because otherwise they have been somewhere. The power they have seems to be pretty great the time of Jak 2 so we would have seen at least any hint that they are sill around. Also if they would have been around during that time they would not need to travel back in time because, well they already would be there somewhere. The only reason to travel back in that case would be because they only noticed there where he is on the planet but I then again we would most likely see any kind of hint that they exist at all.
The beauty of making a story about t ime paradox, is that you can legitimately tell people "Don't think too hard about it"
Kind of weird the precursors on Jaks world would lose to metal heads. Big tech difference. And then Baron Praxis without precursor tech fends off the metal heads for so long?
Just played through the games, watched some videos and read as much as I could and this is my theory on the timeline: Jak is Mar, who after the events of Jak 3 makes his way back in time to the precursor age to become their hero While back in time and embracing his birth name, the metalhead threat is massive and they need him. This is where the timeline starts to split as “Mar” realizes the bread crumbs he has to leave for his future self, precursor technology in different areas and clues he experienced Kor and the metalheads never truly get defeated and are obsessed with the technology, interacting with Jak/Mar and learning the time loop somehow and how he’s a part of it. Spends millennia waiting for the last one to open where Haven will stand in a separate timeline at that exact moment. The portal opens, he sees the wretched boy he’s fought against again finally, ready for Jak to be pulled in to start the haven time loop which would only exist because he brought his army into a portal into the past to start the invasion in this timeline changing the future and re-entering the portal to find young Mar Mars descendants live through the invasion, build haven, get cast out and young Jak with his medallion from Damas is ready to meet Kor. Kor has two years to find young Jak and twist the story, keeping with the time loop enough that he can interject at anytime but unknowingly falls into the predetermined path of adult Jak and then we get Jak 3 I’d love to hear any thoughts 😅
Update : Even though the last of us already exist on pc platform, i tested the ps3 emulated last of us in 2024 and yess it still unplayable crap 😂 ...
To date the VERY BEST point and click game I have EVER played. Submachine Legacy was worth every cent. I fucking love it
RIP Yuzu
i mean you can play ps5 on pc now.
i didnt even know anyone else knew about these games, its incredible to see, nice vid
naughty dog should just reboot the series, so much potential for a multi series universe
This and the Exmortis series were absolutely top tier point and click, not many could touch them!
The end of Jak three i think Jak goes back as Mar, at some point before the future (Jak II) and the past (Jak and Daxter). Then came back one second after he left to the past in Jak 3.
I finally returned to submachine after never getting past 2 as a kid. Without getting into it too much, the friend who put me onto them died tragically extremely young and I feel like I owe it to him to give these games another try. I'm on 5 right now, and I'm going to play through them all for him. He died before the series was ever completed, and I wish I had listened to him back then and we could have talked about it more together. These games are genius
RPCS3 still proves that these games can be emulated. Sony literally abandoned the PS3 once the PS4 came out. This is hardware from 2005. It is 2024 and there are still idiots trying their absolute to defend Sony. A lot of us bought their digital games and they still won't let us access them on the PS5.
It makes me wonder how do metal heads travel to other planets? Do they have tech? And are there other leaders as well aside from Kor?
If you are looking to the continuation of Aethersx2, there is Daemonsx2
Submachine legacy released a couple months ago on steam wich is pretty much a remake of all submachine games by the maker of the original put into one big game. If you like them so much its worth checking it out
The more you think about it the more it hurts the brain ~ Daxter
Interplay had a falling out with Snowblind and they also lost the license to produce D&D games. Chances of Dark Alliance 3 coming out are slim to none, unless Wizards of The Coast allows someone to develop it.
Jak goes back in time and does the whole rift gate stuff and fight against Kor during the end of Jak 3.
Xenia emulator absolute gobbage still imo, tried to ply lost odyssey and just had so many issues on a high spec gaming pc. clicking audio visual bugs. Just awful Even RPCS3 is drastically better.
Honestly your theory is plausible entirely, but mine is that Gol and Maya fused together in the dark eco with the messed up precursor tech, opening the portal opens the silos they were trapped in, below the metalhead leader IS THE SILOS as it is a deep seemingly never ending hole, after all Kor's jaw kinda looks like Gol's, maybe vaguely but mine is also just a theory.
The dark eco 'probably' destroyed them, but maybe not
I’d say they came from space, searching for precursor eggs.
There’s a theory that jaks uncle(the explorer) has a precursor stone on his cane/staff
I find it cool how the story in Jak is very similar to World of Warcraft. The metal heads are the legion and the precursors are the titans.
3:17 As a reference the 360's Infinite Undiscovery much like the ps3's malicious. Popularity is the ultimate decider as 360 fans aren't known for there lov of rpgs and sony fans only play what's trendy. Even if the 360 had more exclusives, the 360 fans at the time wouldn't play them if it wasn't a shooter or sports game.
Here again. 👋. Looking at this video again. I really wonder if PS4 will have the same issues as PS3? PS4 was released on technology me akin to PC. I wonder if it would be easier to emulate overall.
PS4 emulator runs but only 2D games like Sonic Mania so it's fairly useless atm but it will get there. They got bloodborne to boot to the menu screen but nothing past that yet. It being more similar to PC didn't really help it much. Then again most emulators take over a decade to get good example Dolphin didn't even emulate GameCube games well till well into the Wiis lifespan even though now it's probably the best emulator.
@@Bargate Yeah very True. It always takes a really long time for sure
Sorry, couldn't watch the entire video. I died from dehydration at 07:20
Why dark alliance 3 not realize? I waiting since 12 years ago
I just beat submachine legacy, my experience with it felt pretty special to me. When i was a kid i remember playing and seeing a few if the submachine games, i dont think i ever beat to many of them because ot scared me way too much. Earlier this year i remembered a couple of games that i couldn't quite remember fully but i just remember the fear and a few odd details. All i remember of submachine was the gimmick of the loop and the note about the black cat. I knew i had to find it but i put it off. Fast foward later 2023 i just randomly opened steam and i see "submachine: legacy" and immediately knew that was the game i remembered.
I played all of these games as a kid. The loop was my favorite!
As of today it doesn't boot the game rps3 is a scam
I absolutely love the open ended mysterious of the Jak and Daxter franchise. It's such an amazing universe to explore, and it's great years later to know I'm not the only one that has made head canons with what lore we do have. I don't think Naughty Dog can do it justice with a 4th game (just looking at Last of us 2 and making movies instead of games) but there's sooooo much deep potential to explore.
SH2 never felt scary nor looked it. It was more like just abandoned but SH3 always makes you fight for Heather's life and it looks actually scary. My ranking is SH1, SH4, SH3 and SH2.
I don't think the metal heads have a stated origin on the planet. It's most likely that the few metal heads that traverse the portal into the past are not the start of the invasion. Instead I think it's more the other way around. Jak was placed into the past before the metal heads found the planet so he could he could grow up safely. When Samos says "so this is how it happened" he's saying "this is how the adventure started." It's confusing phrasing, and it relies on circumstance for the metal heads to find the planet, but seeking out precursor planets are their thing anyways. This also allows the metal head invasion to start much later and haven city could now be build in preparation of their arrival not in response.
Turn on the captions for this video if you want a good laugh 😂🤣 also this is a really nice video. I'm so glad someone finally tried to delve into the lore of the metal heads.
I completed this game a few days ago. It was awesome experience. The games (from Basement to The Exit) was exactly the same like the original ones, even they looks better.
it's so rare to find a youtuber talk about Submachine, thank you.
Submaachine Legacy has recently been released in Steam. it is the whole game remastered plus a lot of new content, all in one game. An absolute masterpiece.
Ps3 emulator for android
“Honey, the more you think about it, the more it hurts your head” That line from daxter was a direct message from the writers to the audience to not think about it too hard, so i don’t. I appreciate your valiant effort though 🫡.
four player couch coop!