Thanks for the information, sometimes is not convenient for some people to know
@davidnacey7281Ай бұрын
I love reading about Angel's Flight and hearing stories from the old-timers about the Red Car. Please let's not forget that that system was put in place by real estate developers to make bunches of money selling land for development, and boy did it ever work! The Pacific Electric effectively died once it was sold to the Southern Pacific in 1910. Oh, it stayed in service for some time, but that was the beginning of the end. Millions of people moved to Southern California to work in the defense industry before and during World War II. Interestingly, that's what kept the system alive for a period of time. This was a system designed for single street cars which during the 1940s incorporated up to seven cars connected, still at very low speed. After the war, highway systems cut through the rights of way, killing many lines, and bus service slashed the ridership in the system. So the last viable lines went from downtown L.A. to the South Bay. The last line was closed in 1961. I remember going to downtown L.A. with my dad during the early 1980s, and at the time, you could still see the P.E. tracks running down Alameda St., but no overhead electrical lines and obviously no cars running. Just my dad telling stories about when he was an appliance service tech and the old-timers telling him they used to ride the red car with their toolboxes in hand to their service calls.
@stephenkruft22132 ай бұрын
Please don't picture equipment newer than the period you are discussing.
@jonesy90352 ай бұрын
My mother was born in 1926 in Los Angeles and used to talk about the red street cars… now I understand what she was talking about! She absolutely loved riding on them!
@urielbanuelos1502 ай бұрын
damn they did us DIRTY! they robbed our future for profits instead of practicality.
@davidzagrodny96014 ай бұрын
the decline of the Pacific Electric actually began as early as 1920, as private car ownership, with relatively open roads at the time, brought incredible freedom of travel and movement
@davidzagrodny96014 ай бұрын
hindsight, of course, is 20/20
@setaymada50234 ай бұрын
The car killed the red car. period.
@Master_Blackthorne6 ай бұрын
The yellow cars in the video were a separate company known as the the Los Angeles Railway (LARY) and were not Pacific Electric--although they were originally owned by Huntington.
@CarlGerhardt15 ай бұрын
And actually, LARY was much more 'profitable' than P.E.'s operations were for many years.
@stevenedwards37546 ай бұрын
Thanks for the through discussion of Pacific Electric. Yes, photos and film footage isn't all of PE, but your coverage of the subject is excellent. I grew up in L.A. and remember riding on PE, LARY and their successors as a child. As a young adult I didn't want to spend the rest of my life stuck in brown air behind the wheel of a car and have never for a minute regretted moving to San Francisco. It ain't cheap, but the skies are mostly blue and getting around on transit mostly works.
@ineedtoeatcake8 ай бұрын
Between the options of driving and taking the Metro in LA, I much prefer driving. The last time I took the metro, I was sitting behind a homeless woman wielding a hammer who was threatening a homeless man that kept taunting her. My car is a more comfortable place to be.
@rvvanlife8 ай бұрын
Nice job on this report 👍
@weirdfish12168 ай бұрын
Great video! I bought into the Who Framed Roger Rabbit theory of LA streetcar decline for a long time but I’ve realized that it was more complicated than that. You make a good point with the streetcars shaping the geography and population density of present-day LA. CityNerd on YT has a great video about the same topic. In fact, basically any U.S. city that developed pre-WW2 and had a streetcar system shares the same interesting phenomenon. I hope we can revive rapid transit in a lot of these corridors and even create new ones with modern rapid transit.
@KeepinItRealEstate8 ай бұрын
that is not Carmelita Torres in that newspaper clip
@PDXLibertarian9 ай бұрын
My mom and dad remembered the Pacific Electric and it being ripped out on Long Beach Blvd. Then they remembered the Blue Line being put back in - and I always thought my parents were a bit naive. The public should have just thrown some public money at the private system to make it work.
@Councilmember.nils.nehrenheim10 ай бұрын
What a great video. Really shows the value of a properly built system and the impacts decades later. The most impactful part of this video is at the end, where the density of residential is directly correlated with the rail line. The Europeans did the same and are reaping the benefits today.
@SunnyJohn4511 ай бұрын
Why do you use photos from Sandusky, Ohio? There are tons of PE photos.
@patriciaberry463011 ай бұрын
I would also think,putting tanks,airplanes automobiles dumping them in the oceans would make the water rise. ??
@Beepinsqueekin Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I was born in 1957 and clearly remember riding curbliner trolleys with my grandmother in Des Moines Iowa. Currently, here in Omaha, Nebraska, they're making a comeback and plan to have operational streetcars by 2025.
@cliffwoodbury5319 Жыл бұрын
youtube needs more videos like this
@salaamallahalternatechannel Жыл бұрын
SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT IS SO GOOD ABOUT BUSES ??
@AMPProf11 ай бұрын
THE Silence a lack of an answer is is how they doop you onto a Stinky, Smelly, overcrowded ghetto machine.. City man Circa every day Actually it's.. Cost.
@AMPProf11 ай бұрын
Busses are actually designed to be a supplement to trains .. And as a Lower cost alternative for Lower density/capacity areas. What happened was.. A LARGE ASS corruption scheme..That basically put the train out of Business. So the bus cold replace it.. No joke big oil and rubber Won that round.
@manp1039 Жыл бұрын
interesting video.
@thetruthonlydementia7379 Жыл бұрын
OR armor the krap out of the sea cliffs, and drill for oil, gas and coal, and throw Greta into chains.
@PuJitois Жыл бұрын
It's laughable that people readily accept and even repeat the notion that the sea level rises in Pacifica and a few other places but not all ocean shores. Here's a challenge: What's causing shore erosion at Long Beach, Indiana? kzread.info/dash/bejne/eK6TsthydJCtZJs.html OPEN CHALLENGE TO ANYONE: Cite evidence of human-caused "climate change." (Computer models aren't evidence.)
@OmmerSyssel Жыл бұрын
According to beach nourishment, Denmark solves equal problems by simply regularly pumping millions of cubic meter sand at certain areas. Huge dredge vessels haul sand from one area and pump it at the same areas every few years.
@marktaylor3802 Жыл бұрын
Sea level rises play a very minor part at this stage FFS! It's called a large surge/waves from stormy weather. Perhaps the storms are getting worse or just do every 100-150yrs. Sea level rise would show it a bit higher in the video if it were a cause. Get Real.
@JC-fy6fy Жыл бұрын
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@frankmarkovcijr5459 Жыл бұрын
No streetcar or Matt Transit line was ever profitable after the introduction of the cheap American Automobile. Let's not forget during this time period American made cars for cheap you had good union wages and gasoline was cheap now gasoline is expensive the car is made in Korea and cost more than your house and we all work for minimum wage or just above that in real dollars so the prosperity that created the car buying public is not there anymore.
@plasticmojo8384 Жыл бұрын
Schweet,Blame it on what you want to,The same thing happens here on the east coast with the outer banks, each year due to storms we lose millions of dollars worth of homes and property,and it only comes down to one thing and one thing only Mother nature doing what she does best,Just Existing like she has since the beginning of time!!!!
@JC-fy6fy Жыл бұрын
On point observation. You have it reversed. Humans impinge on parts of earth they have no business impinging on. Even if they desire to build their dream homes there. Nature will take what it wants.
@salaamallahalternatechannel Жыл бұрын
THE BUS IS A TOTAL FAILURE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@actualfacts1055 Жыл бұрын
How much less carbon dioxide is coming out of volcanos every year ?
@actualfacts1055 Жыл бұрын
Don't build on sand dunes, full stop.
@robserrano8971 Жыл бұрын
Too bad LA didn't keep the PE LINES ACTIVE
@LearnwithJanice Жыл бұрын
Hello from Kansas 🇺🇸
@charlessmileyvideo2 жыл бұрын
kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y6V5tqmahqe_daw.html Great video, more Pacific Electric history here!
@MustaAlanko2 жыл бұрын
The movie named Who framed Roger Rabbit got me excited about the trolleys and especially those trams of the late Pacific Electric Railway (although in real life they weren’t exactly like that in the movie because they were more like train than buses like that though some probably ran that way in the middle of the highway) and maybe just that as those kids and Eddie sat on the wide rear bumper of that tram. I would like to tell you, especially as a Finnish representative, that if I were a multi-billionaire with huge assets like Elon Musk, for example, I would travel to Los Angeles with the person in charge of these deceased companies and buy the traffic and copyrights of Pacific Electric Railway to I could rebuild, repair and thus reopen it, thus bringing back the former "best public transport in the world" back to Los Angeles and bringing it to my home country of Finland, to further improve our public transport even though it is actually the best in the world at the moment, education, health and equality in addition. And I'll set it up so that the trams will be exactly the same as in this movie: similar in shape, size and design, albeit a bit more modern, with wide front and rear bumpers so that kids and adults like the kids and Eddie in that movie can themselves pick up and sit there. on top of them and travel, travel on trolleys in this way for free, and they drive on the rails embedded in the middle of the highway as seen in the film, although the trams also have to be built back, you can buy a ticket on the spot from the ticket seller like Eddie did ( pay for it either in cash or by card and I promise the price is nickel) or some kind of Pacific Electric app created for checking schedules and buying a ticket with a smartphone and terminal stations like in a movie, i.e. includes a waiting room and a bar, restaurant, though I'm going to set them up e so that children may also visit them, where snacks, coca-cola and other soft drinks and other delicacies are sold to children and teenagers where restaurant food and beer are sold to adults. And I would invest both millions and billions of dollars and euros in the company's cash and cash equivalents on both the American and Finnish sides so that it would not have to be sold in cash to any company for financial difficulties, at least not immediately or at all if the money is kept as emergency and spent reasonably not almost any of them actually go away. And before my death or possible resignation, I would make sure that the company is never, for whatever reason, or no matter how good the offers made by other companies, sold to any other company or entity so as not to be abused or liquidated again for one reason or another. don't get to repeat yourself. That if I got the Pavific Electric Railway, even after it was liquidated, I would bring it to life, bring it back to the world map and inspired by the film alone :)
@olderolderman46032 жыл бұрын
I rode those cars as a kid just for fun no to get lost .by myself .
@olderolderman46032 жыл бұрын
I play kooky rideing the red cars .
@aphex142 жыл бұрын
Great documentary!!! My Parents bought a home in Pasadena, from the original owners, along Villa Street in '71. The owner would tell my Dad stories of how the 'Train' would run on Villa Street, which was actually the Red Car. Where's a good place to source such images and map of that route? My Mom still resides at the Home, which is east of Allen/Villa Street.
@albertcarello6199 ай бұрын
The Los Angeles Metro Blue Line from Los Angeles CA to Long Beach CA.is a revival of Pacific ELECTRIC and the Gold Line to Pasadena from Los Angeles is also another revival of Pacific ELECTRIC and that line is bring expanded further to Montclair.
@tominnis83532 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! Thank you for your thorough research.
@SuperBajafresh2 жыл бұрын
more... kzread.info/dash/bejne/noyM0sFmhbC5lco.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZW1hxM6MedbPoaw.html This is Mt. Lowe, fascinating story folks. It was a world amazement.
@kenc23862 жыл бұрын
Today, government owned trains have right of way over everything and everybody. Most intersections of the blue line in dtla have red light cameras. The video showed a car right behind a pe streetcar in the same lane. Government gives buses and trains protected lanes and routes.
@nikolaospeterson24952 жыл бұрын
The trams in yellow, green, with silver roofs are from GM's NCL the big scandal to rid North America of all public electric transpot (Angels Flight funicular was fortunately spared the axe) are not part of PER. thez were the second szstem more localised for inner LA proper, the LATL soon to become the MTA with orchard green and lime green livery.. Even the track gauge was different, PER used international standard gauge (1.435 cm as LATL was approx. 16,55 cm). some track in civic centre was dual gauge of both szstems. 02:24 This is in TTC (Toronto Transit Commission) from Canada! This car never served in Los Angeles)!
@sneadh12 жыл бұрын
There's no need to "puff up" PE by citing "miles of track" rather than route miles. It's like giving freeway mileage by "miles of lane."
@alexsmith-ob3lu2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Los Angeles is a perfect example of what happens when you abandon urban planning and public-private workmanship for several decades. You end up with a city in grid lock and blight.
@nickgilmore51972 жыл бұрын
Great job on this. I hope you got high marks for it.
@blackbirdgaming81472 жыл бұрын
12:37 Where was this photo taken? It’s fascinating. Trains right on the beach... wow. Was this the HB-Balboa line?
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My grandpa used to work for them
That should be part of history at schools
Sad times!
Thanks for the information, sometimes is not convenient for some people to know
I love reading about Angel's Flight and hearing stories from the old-timers about the Red Car. Please let's not forget that that system was put in place by real estate developers to make bunches of money selling land for development, and boy did it ever work! The Pacific Electric effectively died once it was sold to the Southern Pacific in 1910. Oh, it stayed in service for some time, but that was the beginning of the end. Millions of people moved to Southern California to work in the defense industry before and during World War II. Interestingly, that's what kept the system alive for a period of time. This was a system designed for single street cars which during the 1940s incorporated up to seven cars connected, still at very low speed. After the war, highway systems cut through the rights of way, killing many lines, and bus service slashed the ridership in the system. So the last viable lines went from downtown L.A. to the South Bay. The last line was closed in 1961. I remember going to downtown L.A. with my dad during the early 1980s, and at the time, you could still see the P.E. tracks running down Alameda St., but no overhead electrical lines and obviously no cars running. Just my dad telling stories about when he was an appliance service tech and the old-timers telling him they used to ride the red car with their toolboxes in hand to their service calls.
Please don't picture equipment newer than the period you are discussing.
My mother was born in 1926 in Los Angeles and used to talk about the red street cars… now I understand what she was talking about! She absolutely loved riding on them!
damn they did us DIRTY! they robbed our future for profits instead of practicality.
the decline of the Pacific Electric actually began as early as 1920, as private car ownership, with relatively open roads at the time, brought incredible freedom of travel and movement
hindsight, of course, is 20/20
The car killed the red car. period.
The yellow cars in the video were a separate company known as the the Los Angeles Railway (LARY) and were not Pacific Electric--although they were originally owned by Huntington.
And actually, LARY was much more 'profitable' than P.E.'s operations were for many years.
Thanks for the through discussion of Pacific Electric. Yes, photos and film footage isn't all of PE, but your coverage of the subject is excellent. I grew up in L.A. and remember riding on PE, LARY and their successors as a child. As a young adult I didn't want to spend the rest of my life stuck in brown air behind the wheel of a car and have never for a minute regretted moving to San Francisco. It ain't cheap, but the skies are mostly blue and getting around on transit mostly works.
Between the options of driving and taking the Metro in LA, I much prefer driving. The last time I took the metro, I was sitting behind a homeless woman wielding a hammer who was threatening a homeless man that kept taunting her. My car is a more comfortable place to be.
Nice job on this report 👍
Great video! I bought into the Who Framed Roger Rabbit theory of LA streetcar decline for a long time but I’ve realized that it was more complicated than that. You make a good point with the streetcars shaping the geography and population density of present-day LA. CityNerd on YT has a great video about the same topic. In fact, basically any U.S. city that developed pre-WW2 and had a streetcar system shares the same interesting phenomenon. I hope we can revive rapid transit in a lot of these corridors and even create new ones with modern rapid transit.
that is not Carmelita Torres in that newspaper clip
My mom and dad remembered the Pacific Electric and it being ripped out on Long Beach Blvd. Then they remembered the Blue Line being put back in - and I always thought my parents were a bit naive. The public should have just thrown some public money at the private system to make it work.
What a great video. Really shows the value of a properly built system and the impacts decades later. The most impactful part of this video is at the end, where the density of residential is directly correlated with the rail line. The Europeans did the same and are reaping the benefits today.
Why do you use photos from Sandusky, Ohio? There are tons of PE photos.
I would also think,putting tanks,airplanes automobiles dumping them in the oceans would make the water rise. ??
Excellent video! I was born in 1957 and clearly remember riding curbliner trolleys with my grandmother in Des Moines Iowa. Currently, here in Omaha, Nebraska, they're making a comeback and plan to have operational streetcars by 2025.
youtube needs more videos like this
SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT IS SO GOOD ABOUT BUSES ??
THE Silence a lack of an answer is is how they doop you onto a Stinky, Smelly, overcrowded ghetto machine.. City man Circa every day Actually it's.. Cost.
Busses are actually designed to be a supplement to trains .. And as a Lower cost alternative for Lower density/capacity areas. What happened was.. A LARGE ASS corruption scheme..That basically put the train out of Business. So the bus cold replace it.. No joke big oil and rubber Won that round.
interesting video.
OR armor the krap out of the sea cliffs, and drill for oil, gas and coal, and throw Greta into chains.
It's laughable that people readily accept and even repeat the notion that the sea level rises in Pacifica and a few other places but not all ocean shores. Here's a challenge: What's causing shore erosion at Long Beach, Indiana? kzread.info/dash/bejne/eK6TsthydJCtZJs.html OPEN CHALLENGE TO ANYONE: Cite evidence of human-caused "climate change." (Computer models aren't evidence.)
According to beach nourishment, Denmark solves equal problems by simply regularly pumping millions of cubic meter sand at certain areas. Huge dredge vessels haul sand from one area and pump it at the same areas every few years.
Sea level rises play a very minor part at this stage FFS! It's called a large surge/waves from stormy weather. Perhaps the storms are getting worse or just do every 100-150yrs. Sea level rise would show it a bit higher in the video if it were a cause. Get Real.
E X C E L L E N T R E S E A R C H ‼
No streetcar or Matt Transit line was ever profitable after the introduction of the cheap American Automobile. Let's not forget during this time period American made cars for cheap you had good union wages and gasoline was cheap now gasoline is expensive the car is made in Korea and cost more than your house and we all work for minimum wage or just above that in real dollars so the prosperity that created the car buying public is not there anymore.
Schweet,Blame it on what you want to,The same thing happens here on the east coast with the outer banks, each year due to storms we lose millions of dollars worth of homes and property,and it only comes down to one thing and one thing only Mother nature doing what she does best,Just Existing like she has since the beginning of time!!!!
On point observation. You have it reversed. Humans impinge on parts of earth they have no business impinging on. Even if they desire to build their dream homes there. Nature will take what it wants.
THE BUS IS A TOTAL FAILURE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How much less carbon dioxide is coming out of volcanos every year ?
Don't build on sand dunes, full stop.
Too bad LA didn't keep the PE LINES ACTIVE
Hello from Kansas 🇺🇸
kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y6V5tqmahqe_daw.html Great video, more Pacific Electric history here!
The movie named Who framed Roger Rabbit got me excited about the trolleys and especially those trams of the late Pacific Electric Railway (although in real life they weren’t exactly like that in the movie because they were more like train than buses like that though some probably ran that way in the middle of the highway) and maybe just that as those kids and Eddie sat on the wide rear bumper of that tram. I would like to tell you, especially as a Finnish representative, that if I were a multi-billionaire with huge assets like Elon Musk, for example, I would travel to Los Angeles with the person in charge of these deceased companies and buy the traffic and copyrights of Pacific Electric Railway to I could rebuild, repair and thus reopen it, thus bringing back the former "best public transport in the world" back to Los Angeles and bringing it to my home country of Finland, to further improve our public transport even though it is actually the best in the world at the moment, education, health and equality in addition. And I'll set it up so that the trams will be exactly the same as in this movie: similar in shape, size and design, albeit a bit more modern, with wide front and rear bumpers so that kids and adults like the kids and Eddie in that movie can themselves pick up and sit there. on top of them and travel, travel on trolleys in this way for free, and they drive on the rails embedded in the middle of the highway as seen in the film, although the trams also have to be built back, you can buy a ticket on the spot from the ticket seller like Eddie did ( pay for it either in cash or by card and I promise the price is nickel) or some kind of Pacific Electric app created for checking schedules and buying a ticket with a smartphone and terminal stations like in a movie, i.e. includes a waiting room and a bar, restaurant, though I'm going to set them up e so that children may also visit them, where snacks, coca-cola and other soft drinks and other delicacies are sold to children and teenagers where restaurant food and beer are sold to adults. And I would invest both millions and billions of dollars and euros in the company's cash and cash equivalents on both the American and Finnish sides so that it would not have to be sold in cash to any company for financial difficulties, at least not immediately or at all if the money is kept as emergency and spent reasonably not almost any of them actually go away. And before my death or possible resignation, I would make sure that the company is never, for whatever reason, or no matter how good the offers made by other companies, sold to any other company or entity so as not to be abused or liquidated again for one reason or another. don't get to repeat yourself. That if I got the Pavific Electric Railway, even after it was liquidated, I would bring it to life, bring it back to the world map and inspired by the film alone :)
I rode those cars as a kid just for fun no to get lost .by myself .
I play kooky rideing the red cars .
Great documentary!!! My Parents bought a home in Pasadena, from the original owners, along Villa Street in '71. The owner would tell my Dad stories of how the 'Train' would run on Villa Street, which was actually the Red Car. Where's a good place to source such images and map of that route? My Mom still resides at the Home, which is east of Allen/Villa Street.
The Los Angeles Metro Blue Line from Los Angeles CA to Long Beach CA.is a revival of Pacific ELECTRIC and the Gold Line to Pasadena from Los Angeles is also another revival of Pacific ELECTRIC and that line is bring expanded further to Montclair.
Fascinating! Thank you for your thorough research.
more... kzread.info/dash/bejne/noyM0sFmhbC5lco.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZW1hxM6MedbPoaw.html This is Mt. Lowe, fascinating story folks. It was a world amazement.
Today, government owned trains have right of way over everything and everybody. Most intersections of the blue line in dtla have red light cameras. The video showed a car right behind a pe streetcar in the same lane. Government gives buses and trains protected lanes and routes.
The trams in yellow, green, with silver roofs are from GM's NCL the big scandal to rid North America of all public electric transpot (Angels Flight funicular was fortunately spared the axe) are not part of PER. thez were the second szstem more localised for inner LA proper, the LATL soon to become the MTA with orchard green and lime green livery.. Even the track gauge was different, PER used international standard gauge (1.435 cm as LATL was approx. 16,55 cm). some track in civic centre was dual gauge of both szstems. 02:24 This is in TTC (Toronto Transit Commission) from Canada! This car never served in Los Angeles)!
There's no need to "puff up" PE by citing "miles of track" rather than route miles. It's like giving freeway mileage by "miles of lane."
Great video! Los Angeles is a perfect example of what happens when you abandon urban planning and public-private workmanship for several decades. You end up with a city in grid lock and blight.
Great job on this. I hope you got high marks for it.
12:37 Where was this photo taken? It’s fascinating. Trains right on the beach... wow. Was this the HB-Balboa line?