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This video is phenomenal. Thank you so much for sharing
Wow 8 year's ago. A god of your own understanding.
Works for some, not for others. Unless you got something better, and I mean better for the masses, not just yourself, then you have nothing but a critique of a program that has saved tens/hundreds of thousands.
There is a great video by a psychologist citing a study that long-term AA people have changed brains when it comes to triggers to drinking. That shows that the program works. There are a lot of people that are stuck in the program that don't really belong there, people that have been pigeonholed as dual diagnosis, half mental illness with half a enjoyment of intoxicants. The human race enjoys intoxicants and many different lands and to do that does not necessarily mean one is an addict. Real alcoholics are different than real marijuana addicts or real hard drug addicts. When alcoholics relapse it can often be a deadly thing, but when a marijuana addict relapses on alcohol thinking that he is an alcoholic because he goes to aa, he probably ends up having a different experience with the relapse.
The steps are both fascist and narcissistic. Tread carefully if you choose to follow those “suggestions.”
Disgusting how this woman dumped on John h. Narcissist monster. Must have made a hell of a sponsor!
AA works. Nearly every one on this thread got sober in AA. I continue to go to help others. I can not imagine an AA with only newcomers.
I had poor boundaries and self esteem when I was young. They told me that I faced institutions or death if I left. But not a cult.
I also read some of the book Not God which was given to me.
atheist alcoholic coping 😂
Daaaaaaaaamn this is crazy I've been in AA over 20 years the longest I've managed to get together was 4 years. I quit AA after meeting a total narcissist 13th stepping me I quit I'm looking for another way to stay sober everything I need is within me
‘Seems to me AA is the perfect example of ‘the cure being worse than the disease.’
I’m a Christian, but can relate to soooo much of this!
Let's say I create a program that says there is no God and you are responsible for your own actions. How many Christians will sign up for that? But they want me to sign up for their program which was taken from the Christian Oxford Group. They want me to make an exception, but I know dam well they won't make one for anything that says there is no God.
THANK GOODNESS FOR SECULAR RECOVERY
AA is a pysop.
I am really liking the LifeRing meetings. I wish there was in person where I live, but, online meetings do help with my sobriety and loving the topics they offer in meetings from emotional dysregulation and emotional sobriety. I am still new to LifeRing.
❤ thank you for your story 👍
To each his/her own...
I'm sorry but John Huey sounds like he's an angry man. Just an observation. What happened to live and let live
this was one of my favorite episodes!
Good point! Let’s Write a new “big book(s)” without god.
With only a 5 to 8% success rate, I could no longer carry this message to the alcoholic, who still suffers because they’ve got a much better chance with other methods.
Also recovery and church and therapy also help
The aa program has nothing but improved my life .ive had wonderful experiences in aa program.ill continue . The meetings the bigbook fellowship all keep you sober sponsor helps you . Ive met wonderful people in the program .and having God in my life only helps.me to stay sober
I do not remember which step I was taking the last time I got drunk but it was cetainly not one that was designed to get or keep me sober.
I go to AA to be of service. That’s where they keep the newcomers.
Very astute comments. Thank you.
I’m not sure what my life would be like without daily inventory, I don’t need religion or magical thinking to benefit from the personal insight inventory brings
I left AA today. This honest testimony was exactly what I needed. Thank you
I found the all inclusive statements, 'Alcoholics Anonymous does not demand that you believe anything,' and 'All alcoholics are welcome.' were helpfull. They explain a viewpoint independent of anybody who does or does not attend meetings. Even, it seems to me, if they are one of the many who want to stop drinking but cannot. Thank you, guys.
I never saw him drunk but he always had that damn smile on his face.. 🙂
Very good discussion. I know of a fellow who is an AA member down south in the heart of "The Bible Belt" who does something unique. He like most of them was more or less raised to attend church. Most people in the groups in that area speak very freely of their affiliation with it, especially if they continue to do so. This man is very aware of how it all sounds to someone coming into AA that's new but not embracing the God concept of the program. He himself was raised the same way as many of the others but never alludes to it at AA meetings. In fact he takes on the role of an agnostic preferring to play "Devils advocate " so to speak because he feels the other side needs representation in AA. Many times people are shocked to discover he has only been playing a role even after knowing him for years. I really do admire him because he often gives Bible thumpers in AA fits! He knows more about it then they do. But you'd never guess by hearing him talk in AA meetings. You'd think he was a agnostic at best. And that's exactly the way he wants it.
I went to AA for 10yrs and stayed sober, and felt great. I stopped going to Meetings within a very short time I started drinking again. I became a lying and just didn't like as I became the person I never thought I'd become. Back in the program & feel great again. The religion part in AA I found to be Take pr Leave it no pressure>
Very interesting conversation. Thank you. I'm looking a group to join to help me stay sober. I need help...badly.
Marya is brilliant
I'm surprised how low the views are on this video. It needs way more views
God works through the members in the group conscience there is members also that would charge the twelve steps and twelve traditions to their own understanding the twelve steps and the twelve traditions is working since Alcoholic Alcoholism started nothing has to change just except the program
I’ve been sober 14+ years. A huge part of my recovery is the fellowship. I’m around people who have gone through similar experiences. I’ve made great friends there. There actually is AA literature that shares how atheists and agnostics got and stayed sober.
This is excellent guidance for anyone getting into AA. There are dogmatic, pushy groups that use gaslighting and fear mongering to push their idea of the program-and this is dangerous for very vulnerable people.
im a christian and i can tell you AA is a cult religion.
When Betty Ford and Hazelden recovery gave the county the rights to recovery, it became big business and as Atheists, do your meeting, have a democratic process, or just draw names out of the hat? Vs. round robbin rules being less structured than , conventional recovery mthods?
John isn't natural law, survival of the fittest? inner core value,is liveable within the the mind heart willingness,which sustains recovery ?
There will be no fear of your on progress.
An inversion, of influence with influx to veritable realities, of suspension which proves, wilt isa willingness which regards the self, to be, more important than alcoholic drunkenness, with pervading truths, without. Mesmerization to ,some faith, that a supernatural entity is in control of your recovery. The,, greatest wisdom being abstinence.
Profound ideas, are usually dangerous, leaving basic fear's, the trigger's, therefore for contempt, of unknown, reasons.
What is your with u
If u have not heard of Monica step 13...If u r criticizing offer others choices.
I wish I knew your background. Or at least where u developed your thoughts. I feel in my soul A.A. is wrong. I always did.
I also suffered from a mental illness all my life. I felt when I screwed up so many times, but was going through grief non expressed. I had some abuse and pretended to understand.
I agree with so much you say. But I am learning about the real Bible. If u are an atheist..please are u a believer?