I bought a top-tier M1 iPad in 2021, because I wanted the ability to facial mocap and learn some 3D modeling in Nomad. Ironically, I've done almost none of either, but it did help me take up drawing again. I like it, and I'm gkad i have it but I wouldn't buy another. If I were ro buy a tablet for art, I'd try the Samsung Tab S9 Ultra, which uses a Wacom type pen and has rave reviews, then take the money I saved and buy Nvidia stock this summer after it splits. 😂
@piyushchoudhary0072 сағат бұрын
Is this 11 or 13 inch ipad pro?????
@tripplejaz2 сағат бұрын
Have you tried the Galaxy Tab S9? I've been researching it the last few days to replace my iPad for a few reasons: 1. Closed vs Open Ecosystem; I really don't care for Apple's products apart from the iPad. 2. Flexibiity; OSX products are an onrails, fool-proof experience and I like being able to cause or solve problems on my own, something Android does really well. Also, Android speaks to Windows much better than anything Apple makes (duh) 3. Apple continues to sell everything a la carte. A lot of other companies have bundles, sales, etc to get good products into the hands of everyone. Also, I really have grown tired of Procreate. On my desktop, I can fly through menus, brushes, everything I need in Clip Studio Paint, but when I switch to sketching in Procreate, everything slows down and none of thr brushes feel very good to use. I hate the animated brush tips.
@michaeldunbar30043 сағат бұрын
I have a cintiq 24 and barley use it only for certain project. The iPad Pro is what I chose most of the time for work. Putting a sleeve on the Apple pencil and it's good to go!
@DukePaints3 сағат бұрын
My current mental battle is do I want the 13inch or the 11inch. I have the 24' wacom which is big enough, just wanted the ipad for sketching and to try do more shitty kinda just sketchy art, just not sure if a 11' will be fine
@irinakuzmina93873 сағат бұрын
All good and fair but there is very little competition for something that light. Being a nomad myself, I just don’t find laptop+tablet comparable, my back was dying all the time before I moved to iPad (I also think Wacom doesn’t have good ethos as well - e.g. drivers problems spun out for decades now). So yeah, might not be the best overall, but probably the best in its category. We also aren’t obliged to upgrade (yet haha) unless they bring out something really good.
@Vestele84 сағат бұрын
I’m working on ipad pro professionally for few years now, and I think there’s nothing better than apple pencil. But! New pencil (pro version) looks like just the same thing for more money x)
@ZhifftNuxx4 сағат бұрын
What is a 123 read?????
@akeemmorrison25894 сағат бұрын
such a refreshing take and thanks for touching on planned obsolescence
@steveis335 сағат бұрын
What exactly do u want out of Apple Pencil you already have from the generation before. I would have bought one if it had a eraser on top and the springiness, pretty much like Wacom pens( but I guess you have a copyright on them) I will stick to my 12.9 1tb 2022 and pencil or Wacom mobile 16inch 😂👍
@claytonhenry58275 сағат бұрын
25+ year professional artist here. Currently an exclusive artist with DC Comics. While my opinion isn’t worth anymore than Tim’s, I will say that I love drawing with the Apple Pencil. And I don’t even use a screen protector or nano texture. Also, I have no difficulty activating the squeeze function with my natural pencil holding grip.
@3dchickСағат бұрын
Totally fair and cool to know. 😊
@Xanoxis6 сағат бұрын
The thing you mentioned about AI setting behaviour for specific angles and sensitivity around the whole Pencil Pro is totally not viable or easy to do in programming, AI or not. It’s a thing 5-10 years away. Maybe 2-5 years away if someone would focus on making it work.
@em.a.httpss6 сағат бұрын
Great video! I agree with your thesis and the overall direction Apple is taking. Been drawing digitally for 10 years, switched to an iPad Pro 3 years ago after 7 with the cheapest pen table Wacom, and never looked back. I feel the crux of the iPad being a car vs a truck is that on the one hand it represents an incredible technological paradigm shift for touch-first software (I still use Photoshop on the daily, but couldn't get myself to draw on it for the love of my life-it's just never clicked for me), while at the same time being held down by Apple's business model, which is fully contingent on locking you down into their ecosystem. I hope the technology will someday catch up and we can have open computers with all of an iPad's functionalities. I'd consider a Cintiq if Procreate ran on desktop, but as it is, costing double as an iPad, and without the gesture and UI support I find critical for drawing digitally, it's just not worth it for me. As an aside on the Apple Pencil itself: While I fully agree with all your points and after trying it out on a store I think the haptics are too stiff and uncomfortable, I've personally never had any problem with the ergonomics of the pen. I don't doubt a Cintiq stylus may be objectively more ergonomic and I would feel the difference using one, but as it is, the Apple Pencil has never given me hand cramps or anything of the like. The only time I found it uncomfortable to use was when I tried one of those rubber add-ons that supposedly make it more ergonomic, hah!
@Buddhabellie6 сағат бұрын
21:34 dopomine, dopomine, dopomine....lol. I've learned how to do this digital some, and nothing replaces my sketchbook and pencil for a sense of wonder and amazement.....but i am not a professional. I just love the tactile sense.....
@Buddhabellie6 сағат бұрын
So my question for you is, what does one of your non digital peices look like? How do you do backgrou ds in real world not digital.....just curious.
@Buddhabellie6 сағат бұрын
Im happy with my little S Pen. No pro here
@Jerry_quesoso7 сағат бұрын
Interesting thoughts, it’s refreshing to see someone not regurgitating the same spec descriptions from the back of the box and how good it feels now. I heavily agree with you, working on the iPad is poorly ergonomic which is terrible on a long run. I myself had to buy an ergonomic grip, different nib, paper feel screen protector, blackboard from Astropad and use a funny little device called 8bitDo micro as a macro pad. All of that just to make it somewhat more tolerable and mimic my old and trusty PC setup, but was it worth it? Even if they make the Apple Pencil more ergonomic and slap the name “creators edition” it’d still kinda suck to draw on the iPad and would require some setup imo. This somewhat reminds me to the recent Wacom Movink 13, a product marketed it towards professionals looking for portability. A product which in my opinion has no reason to exist other than being able to use the Wacom 3 pen and the funny OLED, but looking at the design more deeply it’d definitely suck to work with it. Runs on cables which takes away the portability that you get nowadays from any tablet, 1080p, 13inch and 16:9 screen will make every desktop app look crammed as hell and by far the worst offender are those small bezels which reduce the working area and make you prone to hand cramps. So who’s the real target of this product?
@DragonthornX7 сағат бұрын
For me the draw of the Ipad is the portability which is why I invested in the pro (M2, 2022). Beats having to carry a separate laptop and wacom device any day for convenience since I like being mobile. I'm no "Pro" tho, just a hobbyist.
@user-yb7rz6bg3f8 сағат бұрын
Thanks a lot timmmmmmm
@EldritchUniverse8 сағат бұрын
I have a 4th Gen iPad Pro 12.9 from 2020 with the Apple Pencil 2nd gen. And I have absolutely no need to upgrade. Devices over a thousand eurodollar are usually are so good that there isn't much that warrant spending another +1500 eddies. I think all of those upgrades are for people with even older devices who might get finally swayed by some kind of an spec jump or a gimmicky new feature. With all of that being said, the only aspects which would get me to upgrade right now would be... a bigger screen size or an actually good Apple Pencil. They increased the size up to 13 inches but obviously that's a joke compared to having a 12.9. It's not enough. There were rumors of a 14-15 inch iPad Pro and I would have bought that one but nope, apparently not. And the Apple Pencil itself is not only a thing, uncomfortable piece of crap for which you require a ergonomic grip - but it's also not as good as the Wacom Pen in terms of pressure sensitivity. With Wacom / Huion and even XP-Pen, your pen pressure feels smooth - as if it goes from 0 to 100. The Apple Pencil feels way more jumpy - as if the painting lines start 60 and then go to 100.
@abel53339 сағат бұрын
Tbf Apple or Wacom for that matter do not create their products for drawing or painting. Its horrible for those purposes we just put up with it cause the benefits of digital are obvious. When i want to draw for fun, i would never reach for a apple pencil.
@Scatty6669 сағат бұрын
I agree that it is a bit strange that they didn't change the actual look and feel of the new pencil at all, instead of just adding internal tech.
@mattdel85689 сағат бұрын
it is to heavy.. hand hurts after one hour..
@Somtric9 сағат бұрын
I really hate how it's trending so hard, being so negative... 1. The Apple Pencil design is AWESOME.. it's amazing and the new features are too 2. I've had wacom tablets and pens before.. they "ergonomic" shape is just NOT for me.. but in any case, you can literally buy attachments for the pen thatm akes it feel and being able to hold the able pencil exactly like a wacom pen 3. The haptics are great 4. The features you don't like, you can simply deactivate, it's not that hard... and I could go on, but I'm honestly getting so tired of these crying videos from everyone now a days... Don't like it? Then use something else. Personally, I love it immensively and I don't usually speak up for Apple, as I truly hate their Mac systems and their prices are too high etc. But the products they make (except for Mac hardware products) are great and work amazingly, again.. despite the overpriced prices you pay for the brand. in the end, it's MOST important that people understand, that it is PERSONAL PREFERENCE... there is no end-result here.
@Scatty6669 сағат бұрын
2. I think those attachment would prevent one from using the squeeze function for instance? Wacoms latest Pro pen is super customizable and something I would have loved for the new Apple Pen to be 4. Sure, but why pay a lot for a new model of something just to turn off the new features. I would have liked if they had released this as an apple pen 3 and then released a pro pen version more directed to actual artists, taking keys from artist drawing tablets.
@Somtric8 сағат бұрын
@@Scatty666 The majority of professional self-running atists, use the apple pen, so you are simply wrong. And as I wrote, it's personal preference in the end.
@teohyc7 сағат бұрын
Him sharing what he doesn't like is useful info compared to reviewers repeating specs
@Scatty6667 сағат бұрын
@@Somtric ok, I had no idea that professional artists had moved away from computer and tablets, sounds a bit strange to me and I never really met any graphic designer or illustrator that switched to an iPad for their main work, but if you say so. Btw I have an iPad and Apple Pencil as well, and I am not as critical as this reviewer, I still like the feeling of my Wacom or Huion more though. Anyway I don’t see what I was wrong about, I just said that I personally would wish for a pen more akin to a Wacom, such as their new pro pen 3, that a lot of attachments would stop the squeeze and magnetic charging to work, and that I thought that the advice to just turn of all the new features maybe wasn’t all that helpful
@Somtric5 сағат бұрын
@@Scatty666 It's helpful if you don't like the features and the accessories can easily be taken on/off. And if you've never met anyone who work mainly on iPad... well, then I highly doubt that you are in a graphic or video-editing business professionally. In any case, as I said.. it's personally preference, there is nothing wrong with Wacoms tablets or pens, I also like XP-Pen and Huions things products, but there is just too much subjective negativity in videos like this... he doesn't like it, that's cool and fair, but that is so far from what the majority does.
@jrsinsf9 сағат бұрын
The Apple cult is for amateurs... thanks for saying it out loud!
@antonchistiakov35389 сағат бұрын
So i really like the new M4 ipad with nanoglass . However, my last ipad was from 2018 and i hate the fact that they put Nanoglass behind a 1TB option . Hopefully its going change in future and we wont have to splash so much money to get the option. That puts it in price range of a Cintiq pro 17
@msb13099 сағат бұрын
Again, Apple have to design things for everyone! Artists, writers, designers, hobbyists. The pen has to be able to be used by all and because of that compromises have to be made. Is it as good for artists as a Wacom pencil? No but then how many people make notes or write on a Wacom tablet? Is the IPad labelled as a drawing tablet no! Can it be used as one? Yes. There’s isn’t many products out there to compete with it on the move, especially when you consider size and space it takes up.
@sharonb.91286 сағат бұрын
THANK YOU. KZread is filled with blowhards who only review Apple products as if they are single use devices. Even digital artist use their pencils differently and will never use certain features and use others heavily. Architects and drafters must share this product with cartoonist.
@akeemmorrison25894 сағат бұрын
that's fine that's why he's giving his perspective from an artist. To let artists know if we should buy it. Doesn't matter how useful it is to someone else if it it;s not perfect for artist's use.
@msb13094 сағат бұрын
@@akeemmorrison2589 And I was stating that it’s not comparable to a product like a Wacom tablet, because it’s not solely a drawing tablet. It isn’t Pro for many artists but it is pro for some. The new pencil itself is called pro to differentiate from the pens used on the standard ipad. Until Apple put an OS on an ipad that lives up to the technology it’s hard to call it Pro as in professional anyway.
@theunrealisticartist894110 сағат бұрын
Excellent video. You’ve managed to articulate the discomfort I feel when I’m using my iPad Pro and pencil (previous gen). It’s just not comfortable to draw on (for me), even when ‘in theory’ it’s everything I should want. I think I was subconsciously beating myself up for not conforming to the technology when it’s the technology that should be conforming to me! I think part of the problem is the iPad is trying to be everything, while something like an intuos tablet does just one thing but does it really bloody well.
@JJ_Magnificent10 сағат бұрын
I get it, not pro enough for you but for a lot of us.. Its great!!!
@justarandomtomato_5 сағат бұрын
Exactly what he illustrated with the truck and car analogy. But that is the thing, he is reviewing the products for the professionals, the people that need the "truck".
@odrhann10 сағат бұрын
I can never get used to this plastic thing taping on hollow glass. And the battery... And Bluetooth...
@OgBlagstA11 сағат бұрын
M1 iPad with the 2nd Gen pencil is enough for me. Less is sometimes more, and to be honest, I could do with the double tap feature not being there at all, even though I've come to tolerate it, haha.
@Ammon611 сағат бұрын
Apple overly abuses the "pro" adjective.
@Xenotork12 сағат бұрын
Apple products are the tip of the spear for mobile, on the go art stuff. They sure aren't the king of art tech in their field, but damn are they better than those with their mobile products. Like i understand, an apple ipad isn't going to beat a wacom cintiq pro 24 in terms of QOL. but the Wacom studio pro is a damn disappointment when it comes to what it offers compared to an ipad.
@Figuremakr12 сағат бұрын
Excellent, thankyou! I have been drawing digitally on-the-go, starting with the Samsung Note 10.1, in 2012. Tried the iPad/iPencil many times over the years ,and for me...its Meh at best. - I have kept most of my older devices (~9 retired so far), My favorite for a while was the Wacom Companion Hybrid....a full-on wacom pro pen! - Current is the Tab S7+, but soon to be retied by a Tab S9 Ultra. Finally IMHO the Apple pencil is more tech wizardy over function....sadly.
@dzibanart852112 сағат бұрын
So happy I bough a minis forum V3 instead,more performant, better pen (actual buttons), bigger screen, less expensive.
@ChinchillaFur13 сағат бұрын
800 ish bucks plus the pencil to have a portable long lasting device with a stunning display is a huge bargain for an amazing device.
@noisetin5 сағат бұрын
long lasting?
@BakyBaky4 сағат бұрын
@@noisetinI have my Ipad pro since 2017 and it works very well. The downside is the battery, like every portable device. So yes they are pretty long lasting for this type of device.
@JericCamps4 сағат бұрын
Apple products last pretty long
@noisetin3 сағат бұрын
I will share Tim's sentiment on this one. iPad or other Apple products may last bit longer then other brands' equivalents but when compared to artists traditional, physical tools it's laughable. For example your easel will probably last decades before giving up. It's fine to buy tech products and use them for art but it's also important to keep a healthy distance and not fomo'ing for the latest and greatest.
@BakyBaky2 сағат бұрын
@@noisetin I absolutely agree with you. I should have say 'long lasting for a tech product, with a battery'
@ChinchillaFur13 сағат бұрын
I am super pleased with the Apple Pencil Pro, Procreates update will unleash its potential better.
@averyfay991413 сағат бұрын
I have one of the earliest ipad pros and the OG apple pencil still and I only like it because I liked procreate as an introductory digital software - it was simple and there felt like less of a barrier between me and my work. But this planned obsolescence that tech companies like Apple lean into has me thinking that when my ipad and apple pencil finally go… I’m not likely to replace them.
@lanedraws13 сағат бұрын
I fear that artists are simply never going to be the major target audience for Apple, and therefore we won't see design changes that sacrifice minimalist form for greater function. That being said, I've found the iPad and pencil quite surprisingly effective, as long as I treat it as it's own limited medium. I don't try to do full-on paintings with it, only drawings. For what it lacks in features, the Apple Pencil has more natural pressure and tilt control than Wacom when replicating traditional media; Specifically with the pencil brushes I made myself. The brushes can make or break the experience.
@deanbrooks72973 сағат бұрын
What features are they missing?
@jameslabs113 сағат бұрын
Thanks for being level-headed.
@michaelsebah299513 сағат бұрын
Bonjour, j'ai essayé, hier pour la première fois de ma vie un Ipad. Et j'ai été déçu pour tout vous dire. La taille de la surface est insignifiante, 13 pouces c'est même pas du A4. C'est trop étriqué pour déployer des images. Et oui ça peut faire un bpon carnet de croquis, mais à quel prix? Le stylet semble qualitatif, mais je n'ai pas été convaincu, ça n'a pas répondu à ma main.. . J'ai m'imùpression que c'est moi qui doit me plier et m'adapter au pencil pltuôt que du contraire. ET oui, la sensibilité et l'inclinaison ne me vont pas. Ainsi, Pour ma part je vais investir dans une tablette à écran de grand format (24 pouces) de chez Xencelabs en 4 K. Ce n'est pas la même chose mais au moins je serai certain de mon coup et des sensations de de peinture et de dessins! 🙂
@eljuli100313 сағат бұрын
What computer do you have as your main pc?
@jamesbullo13 сағат бұрын
I use a grip on my Apple Pencil but overall the iPad (2018 Pro) is just a secondary art tool.
@thedabblingwarlock13 сағат бұрын
I'm only three minutes in, but I think that maybe I should share my reaction when I saw someone call this out as the death of Wacom and its tablets since it's a friggin' iPad when you're not using it to draw with. If anything is going to kill Wacom, it's probably going to be Xencelabs, not Apple. I have an Intuos 5, a Cintiq 13 HD (from back in 2015,) a bamboo something or other, an ancient iPad, a Samsung Tab S6 Lite (I think?), and an Asus Vivobook Flip S. By that logic, I should only be using the Asus for drawing since it's a friggin' laptop when I'm not drawing with it. I don't. Heck, I don't even use it to draw that much. Most of my drawing these days is on paper and with a pen or a pencil, and I have not enjoyed drawing on the iPad, the Samsung, or the Asus, and all for the same reason. The feel is all wrong. I get it. I'm not a professional artist, but man, even as awkward as it can be to draw on that Intuos 5, the feel is a lot closer to what I want, that feeling of pen or pencil on paper. I don't have this iPad to compare, and while it'd be a massive upgrade to the one I got way back in 2014, unless it feels like pen and paper, I probably won't draw on it. And if that Apple Pen Pro is like the Bamboo, Asus, and Samsung styluses and doesn't have an eraser function, that's a hard pass. If I'm using a digital tool to draw, I want it to let me draw and get out of the way. If I have to switch to the eraser tool in the program instead of flipping the stylus, then it's getting in my way. It's breaking up my flow. It's making me think about it as a tool and not an extension of my hand. And my Wacom tablets (well, besides the Bamboo one) feel like that. They don't get in my way when I use them. They act like I expect from pen and paper and they feel like drawing with pen and paper. I feel like I have control and that things aren't slipping all over a glossy screen. Yeah, I know the new iPad has an etched glass screen that is supposed to mimic that, but that's something that I'd have to try and judge for myself instead of taking Apple's word for it. That's just my two cents. Now back to watching the video. EDIT: @8:30-ish "It's slippery." BINGO! That's the thing that is the dealbreaker for me as an art tool. EDIT 2: @14:30-ish, the conversation about Oh lordy, this reminds me of the whole death of the desktop and laptop thing that happened back when smartphones and tablets were really booming and I was thinking about how much using a touch keyboard sucks. Even now, almost 20 years after the first iPhone came out, touch keyboards are still a pain to use. Sometimes, there's no substitute for a physical, tactile interface, and that gets me back to the whole rant about how things feel up above. Who cares what the specs are if it's a pain in the posterior to use?! @15:24 AI Okay, while I am no expert on AI, I do have a degree in Computer Science, I have worked in IT, and I have talked to researchers who have used AI and ML in their research projects and anyone calling it smart is either trying to sell you something or has no clue what they are talking about. Computers are really, really, really stupid. They do exactly what you tell them to. There may be layers of translation between what you did to tell the computer what to do and what actually happens on the hardware, but computers do exactly what you tell them to and only what you tell them to. They are not self-aware, nor can they think, synthesize, or do any of the other things that we normally associate with intelligence. It's one reason I don't call AI generated images art. Another reason is because, to grossly oversimplify things, what most modern AI is doing is solving a massive vector equation that's been tuned on a dataset. It's doing math, which is something that computers are good at. It's become a marketing buzzword and personally I am praying for the day the hype dies a bloody and ignoble death in some back alley, and we haven't even gotten into my issues with the vocabulary around AI. Someone said that we should really be calling AI "extracting statistical probabilities from extremely large datasets." Personally, given the narrow focus of most AI programs, I'd call them savant programs if I thought anyone would know what I was talking about. (Mainly because without any context, I'm likely to get funny looks if I did call them that.) So, yeah, AI artbots are just taking your prompt and running it through a math equation to produce an image that has the highest probability of matching what you wrote, and good grief are they dumb! True, you can get it to generate an image that looks really good at first glance, but then you start noticing all of the things that just don't make any sense. It's why it's easy to tell AI images from art that an artist has made once you know what to look for and actually look for it. As for the whole 3d interface thing, I think you would run into the same issue that laser projector keyboard from like 2003-2004 had with knowing where your fingers and the stylus actually were, along with potential FCC compliance issues depending on how you decided to implement it. Oh, and lets not forget how much processing power that would actually take. I don't think even an M4 iPad has that much juice to squeeze. What you're talking about is orders of magnitude harder than generating an image based on a string. If you want to know more about AI, Grant from 3Blue1Brown has a series on AI and does a great job of breaking things down in an easy to understand way. @17:30 Blunt pencil Gasp! Think about how many kids would poke their eyes out! In all seriousness, yeah, that thing needs a finer point. @18:30 Apple as a company Even when Steve Jobs was still around, I think Apple became a marketing company that just happens to make tech. That you can get a Windows machine that has the same specs and similar fit and finish as a Mac for substantially less is almost a certainty. I had a MacBook Pro, and I have an iPhone that is my second one and an iPad. But after using it, after looking for parts to repair the keyboard when it started to go out a few years ago, after seeing how far they've gone to lock out anyone that isn't Apple from repairing their devices (Just ask Louis Rossman and iFixit), I won't buy or use an Apple product unless I have to. I use an Apple MacBook Pro for work, and I am not a fan of it. I got a second iPhone after using an android phone and just getting annoyed with it, but it's probably going to be the last Apple product I ever buy. I don't appreciate being treated like an idiot, and between the hypocrisy Apple has shown by espousing how green and eco-friendly they are while simultaneously locking anyone out from extending the lifetime of their devices by repairing them and how many damn hoops I feel like I have to jump through just to install a program among other things, I feel like Apple thinks its userbase are a bunch of idiots. I know some people are die-hard Apple fanboys, I had one of them as a boss, but enough treating people like dirt will snap even them out of it. @22:00-ish Regarding Tools To me, tools should be functional. My maternal grandfather was a carpenter. I watch machinists on KZread. I find things that do a job and do it well beautiful. I think that craftsmen can be just as much artists as they are technicians. I love the look of well used and loved tools. While I agree that almost any functional workspace is going to get messy, I think there's also something to be said for keeping things at least somewhat organized. I've been working on cleaning up my house and I have found stuff I've been missing because it wasn't where I thought it was or I couldn't remember where I put it. I can actually stand a good bit of clutter. I put most of my smaller kitchen appliances on wire shelving so that I could see it and know what I have. I wanted to do the same with my spices, but I didn't have enough room. I'm planning on doing the same with my art supplies. If it's in a drawer or cabinet and I can't see it, I forget I have it and I wind up ordering another when I think I need it. I also have the "Oh! Shiny!" problem, but I'm less likely to fall prey to it if I'm actually looking at a tool that can do the job right there on my desk or in a rack or something where I can see it. And, if things are actually a mess, I'm more likely to focus on the mess and telling myself that I need to clean that up than what I should be doing.
@minseokwon648414 сағат бұрын
I think more people should consider, getting high quality pen table products, even if they could afford screen products. My friends who are young artist/students, do not really consider pen table as option. They consider it as inferior option, which I do not agree. And I 100 percent agree on "apple pencil" is apple's art and it's their design. And their design is keep getting in my ways when I went to make "my art".
@SketchPLAY114 сағат бұрын
No fuss tech: Pencil, paper, eraser
@systemuser870114 сағат бұрын
It's very important when I'm doing commercial marketing work with my work station in my studio, I still unscrew the cap on a can of nice smelly Turpentine . . . . because it's my STUDIO!!
@TheDrawingCodex14 сағат бұрын
Lol
@TheDrawingCodex14 сағат бұрын
The more I think about this thing the more I feel strongly it's just not that great. It was ok until they slapped 'Pro' on it, but now the gloves are off. Keep in mind I use the ipad + pencil almost everyday for something or another... but I just find it hard to imagine using it to draw 8 hours a day. The ergonomics are no joke when you are drawing a lot on deadline, I find that having different Wacom pens with different grips helps a lot to avoid RSI style issues. Using darker softer pencils has also helped with general hand health for me. Anything not ideal is just not really suited for long term use. It's not 'Pro'...
@JH-pe3ro8 сағат бұрын
Agreed, it's a serious problem. The pen digitizers are still best at selection edits and notetaking - even though they are marketing these things for professionals to draw on, the range of options for making really precise marks is just not there, especially not with Apple. But I think Wacom and others aiming for the professional market also have work to do to make something that actually gets results like, e.g., a calligraphy pen. As it is, the digital drawing workflow just makes me frustrated by how much it turns into "racing against the machine" - zooming in to correct smaller details and adding more layers to create your lighting. The software doesn't say no, so you can just add more and more and more to meet the spec bump. But that doesn't result in anything like the commercials where the artist "swings a paintbrush and something appears" - it's more work, not less. You get more spontaneity by using real watercolors than any software emulation.
@DocZenith7 сағат бұрын
Drip feed the upgrades to keep people buying, like in pharmaceuticals, it doesn’t make good business sense to cure - long term treatment is a lot more profitable. Like you alluded to in the video, we have the perfect pencil and paper like drawing surface, they’re called pencils and paper. I do love my 2020 iPad Pro though 😅
@johnpacheco54043 сағат бұрын
I feel like I should get this thing because I have a m1air and feel like it's more compatible and it will seemlessly work together. What do you think about this mind set and does it matter?
@Blood_Rapture14 сағат бұрын
OMG thank you for dropping truth on the apple pencil. I thought i was the only one that didnt feel like the tilt is usable on apple pencil, while most people only gush over it. I still use pre m1 ipad pro and it works great for fun sketching and painting, i love it, but bluetooth pencil is not pc stylus and keyboard level yet.
@TheDrawingCodex14 сағат бұрын
What do you think here? Expect more? Or just accept the scraps of 'progress'?
@Buddhabellie6 сағат бұрын
I agree. We use tools we have available. But that doesn't mean those tools make us pros...make us better. It's a different tool is all.
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I bought a top-tier M1 iPad in 2021, because I wanted the ability to facial mocap and learn some 3D modeling in Nomad. Ironically, I've done almost none of either, but it did help me take up drawing again. I like it, and I'm gkad i have it but I wouldn't buy another. If I were ro buy a tablet for art, I'd try the Samsung Tab S9 Ultra, which uses a Wacom type pen and has rave reviews, then take the money I saved and buy Nvidia stock this summer after it splits. 😂
Is this 11 or 13 inch ipad pro?????
Have you tried the Galaxy Tab S9? I've been researching it the last few days to replace my iPad for a few reasons: 1. Closed vs Open Ecosystem; I really don't care for Apple's products apart from the iPad. 2. Flexibiity; OSX products are an onrails, fool-proof experience and I like being able to cause or solve problems on my own, something Android does really well. Also, Android speaks to Windows much better than anything Apple makes (duh) 3. Apple continues to sell everything a la carte. A lot of other companies have bundles, sales, etc to get good products into the hands of everyone. Also, I really have grown tired of Procreate. On my desktop, I can fly through menus, brushes, everything I need in Clip Studio Paint, but when I switch to sketching in Procreate, everything slows down and none of thr brushes feel very good to use. I hate the animated brush tips.
I have a cintiq 24 and barley use it only for certain project. The iPad Pro is what I chose most of the time for work. Putting a sleeve on the Apple pencil and it's good to go!
My current mental battle is do I want the 13inch or the 11inch. I have the 24' wacom which is big enough, just wanted the ipad for sketching and to try do more shitty kinda just sketchy art, just not sure if a 11' will be fine
All good and fair but there is very little competition for something that light. Being a nomad myself, I just don’t find laptop+tablet comparable, my back was dying all the time before I moved to iPad (I also think Wacom doesn’t have good ethos as well - e.g. drivers problems spun out for decades now). So yeah, might not be the best overall, but probably the best in its category. We also aren’t obliged to upgrade (yet haha) unless they bring out something really good.
I’m working on ipad pro professionally for few years now, and I think there’s nothing better than apple pencil. But! New pencil (pro version) looks like just the same thing for more money x)
What is a 123 read?????
such a refreshing take and thanks for touching on planned obsolescence
What exactly do u want out of Apple Pencil you already have from the generation before. I would have bought one if it had a eraser on top and the springiness, pretty much like Wacom pens( but I guess you have a copyright on them) I will stick to my 12.9 1tb 2022 and pencil or Wacom mobile 16inch 😂👍
25+ year professional artist here. Currently an exclusive artist with DC Comics. While my opinion isn’t worth anymore than Tim’s, I will say that I love drawing with the Apple Pencil. And I don’t even use a screen protector or nano texture. Also, I have no difficulty activating the squeeze function with my natural pencil holding grip.
Totally fair and cool to know. 😊
The thing you mentioned about AI setting behaviour for specific angles and sensitivity around the whole Pencil Pro is totally not viable or easy to do in programming, AI or not. It’s a thing 5-10 years away. Maybe 2-5 years away if someone would focus on making it work.
Great video! I agree with your thesis and the overall direction Apple is taking. Been drawing digitally for 10 years, switched to an iPad Pro 3 years ago after 7 with the cheapest pen table Wacom, and never looked back. I feel the crux of the iPad being a car vs a truck is that on the one hand it represents an incredible technological paradigm shift for touch-first software (I still use Photoshop on the daily, but couldn't get myself to draw on it for the love of my life-it's just never clicked for me), while at the same time being held down by Apple's business model, which is fully contingent on locking you down into their ecosystem. I hope the technology will someday catch up and we can have open computers with all of an iPad's functionalities. I'd consider a Cintiq if Procreate ran on desktop, but as it is, costing double as an iPad, and without the gesture and UI support I find critical for drawing digitally, it's just not worth it for me. As an aside on the Apple Pencil itself: While I fully agree with all your points and after trying it out on a store I think the haptics are too stiff and uncomfortable, I've personally never had any problem with the ergonomics of the pen. I don't doubt a Cintiq stylus may be objectively more ergonomic and I would feel the difference using one, but as it is, the Apple Pencil has never given me hand cramps or anything of the like. The only time I found it uncomfortable to use was when I tried one of those rubber add-ons that supposedly make it more ergonomic, hah!
21:34 dopomine, dopomine, dopomine....lol. I've learned how to do this digital some, and nothing replaces my sketchbook and pencil for a sense of wonder and amazement.....but i am not a professional. I just love the tactile sense.....
So my question for you is, what does one of your non digital peices look like? How do you do backgrou ds in real world not digital.....just curious.
Im happy with my little S Pen. No pro here
Interesting thoughts, it’s refreshing to see someone not regurgitating the same spec descriptions from the back of the box and how good it feels now. I heavily agree with you, working on the iPad is poorly ergonomic which is terrible on a long run. I myself had to buy an ergonomic grip, different nib, paper feel screen protector, blackboard from Astropad and use a funny little device called 8bitDo micro as a macro pad. All of that just to make it somewhat more tolerable and mimic my old and trusty PC setup, but was it worth it? Even if they make the Apple Pencil more ergonomic and slap the name “creators edition” it’d still kinda suck to draw on the iPad and would require some setup imo. This somewhat reminds me to the recent Wacom Movink 13, a product marketed it towards professionals looking for portability. A product which in my opinion has no reason to exist other than being able to use the Wacom 3 pen and the funny OLED, but looking at the design more deeply it’d definitely suck to work with it. Runs on cables which takes away the portability that you get nowadays from any tablet, 1080p, 13inch and 16:9 screen will make every desktop app look crammed as hell and by far the worst offender are those small bezels which reduce the working area and make you prone to hand cramps. So who’s the real target of this product?
For me the draw of the Ipad is the portability which is why I invested in the pro (M2, 2022). Beats having to carry a separate laptop and wacom device any day for convenience since I like being mobile. I'm no "Pro" tho, just a hobbyist.
Thanks a lot timmmmmmm
I have a 4th Gen iPad Pro 12.9 from 2020 with the Apple Pencil 2nd gen. And I have absolutely no need to upgrade. Devices over a thousand eurodollar are usually are so good that there isn't much that warrant spending another +1500 eddies. I think all of those upgrades are for people with even older devices who might get finally swayed by some kind of an spec jump or a gimmicky new feature. With all of that being said, the only aspects which would get me to upgrade right now would be... a bigger screen size or an actually good Apple Pencil. They increased the size up to 13 inches but obviously that's a joke compared to having a 12.9. It's not enough. There were rumors of a 14-15 inch iPad Pro and I would have bought that one but nope, apparently not. And the Apple Pencil itself is not only a thing, uncomfortable piece of crap for which you require a ergonomic grip - but it's also not as good as the Wacom Pen in terms of pressure sensitivity. With Wacom / Huion and even XP-Pen, your pen pressure feels smooth - as if it goes from 0 to 100. The Apple Pencil feels way more jumpy - as if the painting lines start 60 and then go to 100.
Tbf Apple or Wacom for that matter do not create their products for drawing or painting. Its horrible for those purposes we just put up with it cause the benefits of digital are obvious. When i want to draw for fun, i would never reach for a apple pencil.
I agree that it is a bit strange that they didn't change the actual look and feel of the new pencil at all, instead of just adding internal tech.
it is to heavy.. hand hurts after one hour..
I really hate how it's trending so hard, being so negative... 1. The Apple Pencil design is AWESOME.. it's amazing and the new features are too 2. I've had wacom tablets and pens before.. they "ergonomic" shape is just NOT for me.. but in any case, you can literally buy attachments for the pen thatm akes it feel and being able to hold the able pencil exactly like a wacom pen 3. The haptics are great 4. The features you don't like, you can simply deactivate, it's not that hard... and I could go on, but I'm honestly getting so tired of these crying videos from everyone now a days... Don't like it? Then use something else. Personally, I love it immensively and I don't usually speak up for Apple, as I truly hate their Mac systems and their prices are too high etc. But the products they make (except for Mac hardware products) are great and work amazingly, again.. despite the overpriced prices you pay for the brand. in the end, it's MOST important that people understand, that it is PERSONAL PREFERENCE... there is no end-result here.
2. I think those attachment would prevent one from using the squeeze function for instance? Wacoms latest Pro pen is super customizable and something I would have loved for the new Apple Pen to be 4. Sure, but why pay a lot for a new model of something just to turn off the new features. I would have liked if they had released this as an apple pen 3 and then released a pro pen version more directed to actual artists, taking keys from artist drawing tablets.
@@Scatty666 The majority of professional self-running atists, use the apple pen, so you are simply wrong. And as I wrote, it's personal preference in the end.
Him sharing what he doesn't like is useful info compared to reviewers repeating specs
@@Somtric ok, I had no idea that professional artists had moved away from computer and tablets, sounds a bit strange to me and I never really met any graphic designer or illustrator that switched to an iPad for their main work, but if you say so. Btw I have an iPad and Apple Pencil as well, and I am not as critical as this reviewer, I still like the feeling of my Wacom or Huion more though. Anyway I don’t see what I was wrong about, I just said that I personally would wish for a pen more akin to a Wacom, such as their new pro pen 3, that a lot of attachments would stop the squeeze and magnetic charging to work, and that I thought that the advice to just turn of all the new features maybe wasn’t all that helpful
@@Scatty666 It's helpful if you don't like the features and the accessories can easily be taken on/off. And if you've never met anyone who work mainly on iPad... well, then I highly doubt that you are in a graphic or video-editing business professionally. In any case, as I said.. it's personally preference, there is nothing wrong with Wacoms tablets or pens, I also like XP-Pen and Huions things products, but there is just too much subjective negativity in videos like this... he doesn't like it, that's cool and fair, but that is so far from what the majority does.
The Apple cult is for amateurs... thanks for saying it out loud!
So i really like the new M4 ipad with nanoglass . However, my last ipad was from 2018 and i hate the fact that they put Nanoglass behind a 1TB option . Hopefully its going change in future and we wont have to splash so much money to get the option. That puts it in price range of a Cintiq pro 17
Again, Apple have to design things for everyone! Artists, writers, designers, hobbyists. The pen has to be able to be used by all and because of that compromises have to be made. Is it as good for artists as a Wacom pencil? No but then how many people make notes or write on a Wacom tablet? Is the IPad labelled as a drawing tablet no! Can it be used as one? Yes. There’s isn’t many products out there to compete with it on the move, especially when you consider size and space it takes up.
THANK YOU. KZread is filled with blowhards who only review Apple products as if they are single use devices. Even digital artist use their pencils differently and will never use certain features and use others heavily. Architects and drafters must share this product with cartoonist.
that's fine that's why he's giving his perspective from an artist. To let artists know if we should buy it. Doesn't matter how useful it is to someone else if it it;s not perfect for artist's use.
@@akeemmorrison2589 And I was stating that it’s not comparable to a product like a Wacom tablet, because it’s not solely a drawing tablet. It isn’t Pro for many artists but it is pro for some. The new pencil itself is called pro to differentiate from the pens used on the standard ipad. Until Apple put an OS on an ipad that lives up to the technology it’s hard to call it Pro as in professional anyway.
Excellent video. You’ve managed to articulate the discomfort I feel when I’m using my iPad Pro and pencil (previous gen). It’s just not comfortable to draw on (for me), even when ‘in theory’ it’s everything I should want. I think I was subconsciously beating myself up for not conforming to the technology when it’s the technology that should be conforming to me! I think part of the problem is the iPad is trying to be everything, while something like an intuos tablet does just one thing but does it really bloody well.
I get it, not pro enough for you but for a lot of us.. Its great!!!
Exactly what he illustrated with the truck and car analogy. But that is the thing, he is reviewing the products for the professionals, the people that need the "truck".
I can never get used to this plastic thing taping on hollow glass. And the battery... And Bluetooth...
M1 iPad with the 2nd Gen pencil is enough for me. Less is sometimes more, and to be honest, I could do with the double tap feature not being there at all, even though I've come to tolerate it, haha.
Apple overly abuses the "pro" adjective.
Apple products are the tip of the spear for mobile, on the go art stuff. They sure aren't the king of art tech in their field, but damn are they better than those with their mobile products. Like i understand, an apple ipad isn't going to beat a wacom cintiq pro 24 in terms of QOL. but the Wacom studio pro is a damn disappointment when it comes to what it offers compared to an ipad.
Excellent, thankyou! I have been drawing digitally on-the-go, starting with the Samsung Note 10.1, in 2012. Tried the iPad/iPencil many times over the years ,and for me...its Meh at best. - I have kept most of my older devices (~9 retired so far), My favorite for a while was the Wacom Companion Hybrid....a full-on wacom pro pen! - Current is the Tab S7+, but soon to be retied by a Tab S9 Ultra. Finally IMHO the Apple pencil is more tech wizardy over function....sadly.
So happy I bough a minis forum V3 instead,more performant, better pen (actual buttons), bigger screen, less expensive.
800 ish bucks plus the pencil to have a portable long lasting device with a stunning display is a huge bargain for an amazing device.
long lasting?
@@noisetinI have my Ipad pro since 2017 and it works very well. The downside is the battery, like every portable device. So yes they are pretty long lasting for this type of device.
Apple products last pretty long
I will share Tim's sentiment on this one. iPad or other Apple products may last bit longer then other brands' equivalents but when compared to artists traditional, physical tools it's laughable. For example your easel will probably last decades before giving up. It's fine to buy tech products and use them for art but it's also important to keep a healthy distance and not fomo'ing for the latest and greatest.
@@noisetin I absolutely agree with you. I should have say 'long lasting for a tech product, with a battery'
I am super pleased with the Apple Pencil Pro, Procreates update will unleash its potential better.
I have one of the earliest ipad pros and the OG apple pencil still and I only like it because I liked procreate as an introductory digital software - it was simple and there felt like less of a barrier between me and my work. But this planned obsolescence that tech companies like Apple lean into has me thinking that when my ipad and apple pencil finally go… I’m not likely to replace them.
I fear that artists are simply never going to be the major target audience for Apple, and therefore we won't see design changes that sacrifice minimalist form for greater function. That being said, I've found the iPad and pencil quite surprisingly effective, as long as I treat it as it's own limited medium. I don't try to do full-on paintings with it, only drawings. For what it lacks in features, the Apple Pencil has more natural pressure and tilt control than Wacom when replicating traditional media; Specifically with the pencil brushes I made myself. The brushes can make or break the experience.
What features are they missing?
Thanks for being level-headed.
Bonjour, j'ai essayé, hier pour la première fois de ma vie un Ipad. Et j'ai été déçu pour tout vous dire. La taille de la surface est insignifiante, 13 pouces c'est même pas du A4. C'est trop étriqué pour déployer des images. Et oui ça peut faire un bpon carnet de croquis, mais à quel prix? Le stylet semble qualitatif, mais je n'ai pas été convaincu, ça n'a pas répondu à ma main.. . J'ai m'imùpression que c'est moi qui doit me plier et m'adapter au pencil pltuôt que du contraire. ET oui, la sensibilité et l'inclinaison ne me vont pas. Ainsi, Pour ma part je vais investir dans une tablette à écran de grand format (24 pouces) de chez Xencelabs en 4 K. Ce n'est pas la même chose mais au moins je serai certain de mon coup et des sensations de de peinture et de dessins! 🙂
What computer do you have as your main pc?
I use a grip on my Apple Pencil but overall the iPad (2018 Pro) is just a secondary art tool.
I'm only three minutes in, but I think that maybe I should share my reaction when I saw someone call this out as the death of Wacom and its tablets since it's a friggin' iPad when you're not using it to draw with. If anything is going to kill Wacom, it's probably going to be Xencelabs, not Apple. I have an Intuos 5, a Cintiq 13 HD (from back in 2015,) a bamboo something or other, an ancient iPad, a Samsung Tab S6 Lite (I think?), and an Asus Vivobook Flip S. By that logic, I should only be using the Asus for drawing since it's a friggin' laptop when I'm not drawing with it. I don't. Heck, I don't even use it to draw that much. Most of my drawing these days is on paper and with a pen or a pencil, and I have not enjoyed drawing on the iPad, the Samsung, or the Asus, and all for the same reason. The feel is all wrong. I get it. I'm not a professional artist, but man, even as awkward as it can be to draw on that Intuos 5, the feel is a lot closer to what I want, that feeling of pen or pencil on paper. I don't have this iPad to compare, and while it'd be a massive upgrade to the one I got way back in 2014, unless it feels like pen and paper, I probably won't draw on it. And if that Apple Pen Pro is like the Bamboo, Asus, and Samsung styluses and doesn't have an eraser function, that's a hard pass. If I'm using a digital tool to draw, I want it to let me draw and get out of the way. If I have to switch to the eraser tool in the program instead of flipping the stylus, then it's getting in my way. It's breaking up my flow. It's making me think about it as a tool and not an extension of my hand. And my Wacom tablets (well, besides the Bamboo one) feel like that. They don't get in my way when I use them. They act like I expect from pen and paper and they feel like drawing with pen and paper. I feel like I have control and that things aren't slipping all over a glossy screen. Yeah, I know the new iPad has an etched glass screen that is supposed to mimic that, but that's something that I'd have to try and judge for myself instead of taking Apple's word for it. That's just my two cents. Now back to watching the video. EDIT: @8:30-ish "It's slippery." BINGO! That's the thing that is the dealbreaker for me as an art tool. EDIT 2: @14:30-ish, the conversation about Oh lordy, this reminds me of the whole death of the desktop and laptop thing that happened back when smartphones and tablets were really booming and I was thinking about how much using a touch keyboard sucks. Even now, almost 20 years after the first iPhone came out, touch keyboards are still a pain to use. Sometimes, there's no substitute for a physical, tactile interface, and that gets me back to the whole rant about how things feel up above. Who cares what the specs are if it's a pain in the posterior to use?! @15:24 AI Okay, while I am no expert on AI, I do have a degree in Computer Science, I have worked in IT, and I have talked to researchers who have used AI and ML in their research projects and anyone calling it smart is either trying to sell you something or has no clue what they are talking about. Computers are really, really, really stupid. They do exactly what you tell them to. There may be layers of translation between what you did to tell the computer what to do and what actually happens on the hardware, but computers do exactly what you tell them to and only what you tell them to. They are not self-aware, nor can they think, synthesize, or do any of the other things that we normally associate with intelligence. It's one reason I don't call AI generated images art. Another reason is because, to grossly oversimplify things, what most modern AI is doing is solving a massive vector equation that's been tuned on a dataset. It's doing math, which is something that computers are good at. It's become a marketing buzzword and personally I am praying for the day the hype dies a bloody and ignoble death in some back alley, and we haven't even gotten into my issues with the vocabulary around AI. Someone said that we should really be calling AI "extracting statistical probabilities from extremely large datasets." Personally, given the narrow focus of most AI programs, I'd call them savant programs if I thought anyone would know what I was talking about. (Mainly because without any context, I'm likely to get funny looks if I did call them that.) So, yeah, AI artbots are just taking your prompt and running it through a math equation to produce an image that has the highest probability of matching what you wrote, and good grief are they dumb! True, you can get it to generate an image that looks really good at first glance, but then you start noticing all of the things that just don't make any sense. It's why it's easy to tell AI images from art that an artist has made once you know what to look for and actually look for it. As for the whole 3d interface thing, I think you would run into the same issue that laser projector keyboard from like 2003-2004 had with knowing where your fingers and the stylus actually were, along with potential FCC compliance issues depending on how you decided to implement it. Oh, and lets not forget how much processing power that would actually take. I don't think even an M4 iPad has that much juice to squeeze. What you're talking about is orders of magnitude harder than generating an image based on a string. If you want to know more about AI, Grant from 3Blue1Brown has a series on AI and does a great job of breaking things down in an easy to understand way. @17:30 Blunt pencil Gasp! Think about how many kids would poke their eyes out! In all seriousness, yeah, that thing needs a finer point. @18:30 Apple as a company Even when Steve Jobs was still around, I think Apple became a marketing company that just happens to make tech. That you can get a Windows machine that has the same specs and similar fit and finish as a Mac for substantially less is almost a certainty. I had a MacBook Pro, and I have an iPhone that is my second one and an iPad. But after using it, after looking for parts to repair the keyboard when it started to go out a few years ago, after seeing how far they've gone to lock out anyone that isn't Apple from repairing their devices (Just ask Louis Rossman and iFixit), I won't buy or use an Apple product unless I have to. I use an Apple MacBook Pro for work, and I am not a fan of it. I got a second iPhone after using an android phone and just getting annoyed with it, but it's probably going to be the last Apple product I ever buy. I don't appreciate being treated like an idiot, and between the hypocrisy Apple has shown by espousing how green and eco-friendly they are while simultaneously locking anyone out from extending the lifetime of their devices by repairing them and how many damn hoops I feel like I have to jump through just to install a program among other things, I feel like Apple thinks its userbase are a bunch of idiots. I know some people are die-hard Apple fanboys, I had one of them as a boss, but enough treating people like dirt will snap even them out of it. @22:00-ish Regarding Tools To me, tools should be functional. My maternal grandfather was a carpenter. I watch machinists on KZread. I find things that do a job and do it well beautiful. I think that craftsmen can be just as much artists as they are technicians. I love the look of well used and loved tools. While I agree that almost any functional workspace is going to get messy, I think there's also something to be said for keeping things at least somewhat organized. I've been working on cleaning up my house and I have found stuff I've been missing because it wasn't where I thought it was or I couldn't remember where I put it. I can actually stand a good bit of clutter. I put most of my smaller kitchen appliances on wire shelving so that I could see it and know what I have. I wanted to do the same with my spices, but I didn't have enough room. I'm planning on doing the same with my art supplies. If it's in a drawer or cabinet and I can't see it, I forget I have it and I wind up ordering another when I think I need it. I also have the "Oh! Shiny!" problem, but I'm less likely to fall prey to it if I'm actually looking at a tool that can do the job right there on my desk or in a rack or something where I can see it. And, if things are actually a mess, I'm more likely to focus on the mess and telling myself that I need to clean that up than what I should be doing.
I think more people should consider, getting high quality pen table products, even if they could afford screen products. My friends who are young artist/students, do not really consider pen table as option. They consider it as inferior option, which I do not agree. And I 100 percent agree on "apple pencil" is apple's art and it's their design. And their design is keep getting in my ways when I went to make "my art".
No fuss tech: Pencil, paper, eraser
It's very important when I'm doing commercial marketing work with my work station in my studio, I still unscrew the cap on a can of nice smelly Turpentine . . . . because it's my STUDIO!!
Lol
The more I think about this thing the more I feel strongly it's just not that great. It was ok until they slapped 'Pro' on it, but now the gloves are off. Keep in mind I use the ipad + pencil almost everyday for something or another... but I just find it hard to imagine using it to draw 8 hours a day. The ergonomics are no joke when you are drawing a lot on deadline, I find that having different Wacom pens with different grips helps a lot to avoid RSI style issues. Using darker softer pencils has also helped with general hand health for me. Anything not ideal is just not really suited for long term use. It's not 'Pro'...
Agreed, it's a serious problem. The pen digitizers are still best at selection edits and notetaking - even though they are marketing these things for professionals to draw on, the range of options for making really precise marks is just not there, especially not with Apple. But I think Wacom and others aiming for the professional market also have work to do to make something that actually gets results like, e.g., a calligraphy pen. As it is, the digital drawing workflow just makes me frustrated by how much it turns into "racing against the machine" - zooming in to correct smaller details and adding more layers to create your lighting. The software doesn't say no, so you can just add more and more and more to meet the spec bump. But that doesn't result in anything like the commercials where the artist "swings a paintbrush and something appears" - it's more work, not less. You get more spontaneity by using real watercolors than any software emulation.
Drip feed the upgrades to keep people buying, like in pharmaceuticals, it doesn’t make good business sense to cure - long term treatment is a lot more profitable. Like you alluded to in the video, we have the perfect pencil and paper like drawing surface, they’re called pencils and paper. I do love my 2020 iPad Pro though 😅
I feel like I should get this thing because I have a m1air and feel like it's more compatible and it will seemlessly work together. What do you think about this mind set and does it matter?
OMG thank you for dropping truth on the apple pencil. I thought i was the only one that didnt feel like the tilt is usable on apple pencil, while most people only gush over it. I still use pre m1 ipad pro and it works great for fun sketching and painting, i love it, but bluetooth pencil is not pc stylus and keyboard level yet.
What do you think here? Expect more? Or just accept the scraps of 'progress'?
I agree. We use tools we have available. But that doesn't mean those tools make us pros...make us better. It's a different tool is all.