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  @skum73Күн бұрын

  Were you playing Ozric Tentacles there?

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  @patsonmusicКүн бұрын

  @@skum73 It's possible, but it was unintentional in that case! I may have to relisten to what I played, because I can't remember 🙂. Thanks for watching!

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  @jmtz99573 күн бұрын

  No match D50 has more sound quality.

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  @patsonmusic3 күн бұрын

  @@jmtz9957 Yes, I feel the same! Thanks for watching!

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  @gavinr644512 күн бұрын

  Can you briefly describe how you did it? Looks like using the arpeggiator, which chords?

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  @patsonmusic12 күн бұрын

  Yes, of course! There's the arpeggiator running on the JU-06A, a two octive up-and-down arp, and I play triads with my right hand. With my left I play the alpha Juno-1 (out of sight) and mainly the basic tone with a drone/brs sound. Chords are fairly simple, they are Dm Bb F Csus4 C, and the second part is Gm Dm Bb F. The trickier part is changing the cords at the right moment in the arpeggio sequence. And finally I'm only using the FA-07 I'm playing on, as a controller, connected via Midi to the JU-06A. Hopefully you are able to pick this out on your own keyboard now 🙂. What synths are you using?

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  @gavinr644510 күн бұрын

  @@patsonmusic Thanks! I’m relatively new to synth, I’ve only got a Korg Minilogue XD but today I found out that the arpeggiator has a 2 octave rise and fall mode so that gets me started.

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  @patsonmusic10 күн бұрын

  @@gavinr6445 minilogue xd is a good first synth! Good luck with playing the sequence!

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  @lime983613 күн бұрын

  Lovely

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  @patsonmusic13 күн бұрын

  Thanks! ☺

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  @studiodw1219 күн бұрын

  I had exactly both the D50 given to my son and the other sold I miss it does the emulation work as well This material is professional, it costs a lot to manufacture

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  @patsonmusic19 күн бұрын

  Nice! What did you think about them both at the time? Did you prefer one over the other in some way? Here's a series where I'm playing both D-50 and the Roland Boutique D-05 . I think the D-05 sounds great and is a nice substitute for the D-50. It contains all the cards Roland released plus 8 user banks of patches. And if I layer both synths it sounds really massive. Check it out kzread.info/dash/bejne/gmdhzruBita7hKg.html

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  @studiodw1219 күн бұрын

  @@patsonmusic I am one of those who sold or gave them away at a time when it “was” almost obsolete. we all regret them the D50 is heavier and more professional, I think it's better to combine with another type of sound, Yamaha or Korg in a complementary way, or even with an organ or piano the D20 was combined with a Yamaha DSR2000 to "try" to make EQUINOXE it was in 1990 something like that even finding one, you need the parts and the repairer for maintenance and overhaul, so a real budget

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  @patsonmusic19 күн бұрын

  @@studiodw12 D-50 sure is built like a tank, but also D-20 was very sturdy. My FA-07 feels like a feather in comparison. 🙂

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  @studiodw1219 күн бұрын

  @@patsonmusic today the D50 would surely be very expensive in the 1990s having the D20 and in addition a Yamaha was already a lot at 20 years old, we took used ones, new ones were rare and expensive have you seen the price of a Jupiter today?

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  @patsonmusic19 күн бұрын

  @@studiodw12 Neither D-50 nor DX-7 are very expensive today, you can get them for 400-600€ even in pretty good shape. The Jupiters are very expensive and also expensive to maintain so I'm personally pretty happy with the newer versions, the Boutiques like JU-06a or JP-08, or Jupiter-X myself. I've had my D-50 since I bought it new in 1989. I also had a Juno-2 but sold it to get the D-50. I regretted selling it and bought a Juno-1 a few years ago, which is a great sounding synth!

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  @whatistau21 күн бұрын

  Crazy thing is that D20 is all Drexciya. That shows its not the synth, but how you use your imagination. Thanks for the video!

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  @patsonmusic21 күн бұрын

  Very true! Interesting, I was not aware of that! Have to give Drexciya a listen. Thanks for watching!

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  @whatistau21 күн бұрын

  @@patsonmusic Nice! Bass on "Depressurization" is one of the best

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  @Frontier2000AnoDominАй бұрын

  We still have an old D-20 lying around. It does sound "crusty" compared to the D-50. That said, it had an 8 track built in sequencer and was handy for live gigging and programming keyboard parts if you were short a keyboard player.

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  @patsonmusic29 күн бұрын

  Yes, they sound very different. The 8 track sequencer was a great feature. Sometimes I wounder why they didn't build it with the D-50 engine.

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  @mikirecords4243Ай бұрын

  2 like,great work,best wishes;-)

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  @patsonmusicАй бұрын

  Thank you 🙏

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  @mikirecords4243Ай бұрын

  4 like,sub,best wishes;-)

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  @patsonmusicАй бұрын

  Thanks for watching!

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  @cyberrealmagicpro506Ай бұрын

  D20を使いこないしてね🎵

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  @patsonmusicАй бұрын

  Thanks for watching! However, I decided to pass it one to the next user, who seems to be the right guy for this keyboard. He had one from before and was really into still using it.

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  @cyberrealmagicpro506Ай бұрын

  残念🎵裏コマンドでムーグ並みに拡張出来たのに😢​@@patsonmusic

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  @patsonmusicАй бұрын

  @@cyberrealmagicpro506 Oh, that sounds interesting! Is there a video demo of the sounds you were able to make?

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  @RobertWrightOneManCoversАй бұрын

  Can you not hear octaves or something?

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  @patsonmusicАй бұрын

  Yes, can you? You probably noticed that many of the sounds are actually tuned an octave higher on the D-20 compared to the D-50. Why that's the case I don't know. I just played sounds with same or similar names on the synths, factory presets.

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  @RobertWrightOneManCoversАй бұрын

  @@patsonmusic I ask because comparing sounds is pointless when you play them set to different octaves per synth, which you do here. I figured you must simply not hear the distinction.

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  @patsonmusicАй бұрын

  @@RobertWrightOneManCovers I get your point, but I'm also dumping octaves all the time as you can see. But still factory sounds with similar names on D-20 and D-50 are not in the same octave as you can see from my fingers usually starting from the same place on the keybeds - and this was a little bit strange I have to admit. Anyway, factory sounds were not too great on the D-20, but I've heard people program some nice stuff on the D-20/10/110.

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  @RobertWrightOneManCoversАй бұрын

  @@patsonmusic I'd just like to ask Roland why the D-70 was an overgrown D-20 instead of a fully featured flagship D-50. That seemed like a real wasted opportunity.

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  @patsonmusicАй бұрын

  @@RobertWrightOneManCovers That's a good question, which I'm also curious about. To my knowledge, and I have no experience of the D-70, it was actually a U-series synth. Roland put out the U-110 (which I had and back then sounded pretty great, taking the PCM samples a step further, nowadays it sounds very dated). Then they put out the U-20 and U-220 and was apparently working on a U-50, but probably for marketing reasons renamed it to D-70, maybe the U-series were no hits. I heard it was a little buggy and very slow user interface, but I haven't played it myself. I have a U-220 I will try out at some point. Then thinking about the competition, both Korg and Yamaha started making multi-timbral synths like the D-20, so it seems they put all their efforts on the JV-stuff with the JV-80, 90, 1000, 1080, 2080 for multi-timbral synths and JD-800 for performance synth. Some say the JD-800 is the real follower of the D-50. I haven't played a JD-800 nor JD-990 , so I can't really say. JD-800 offered hands-on control which the D-50 lacked (but you could always get the PG-1000 programmer, if you had extra the money back in the day). Adding to this, Roland's naming policy is sometimes very fuzzy.

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  @tetkiktedavi1674Ай бұрын

  Great exposition, thanks! No doubt about it for me, it sounds great!

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  @patsonmusic21 күн бұрын

  Thanks! Yes, it offers an easy way to get FM sounds and manipulate them, without having to deep dive into the world of algorithms, operators and carriers.

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  @user-qc7jr7tm1fАй бұрын

  Very great

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  @TheShaktubeАй бұрын

  I have the Roland FA and the Pro800 too which (don't tell the wife) is like a belt and suspenders as the FA pads and strings are superb. Having said that i dont think the Pro800 is getting returned.

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  @patsonmusicАй бұрын

  Roland FA is very versatile and a nice keyboard for live use! Pro-800 is different and so organic, instant early 80s vibes with a twist of horror or dystopian movie soundtrack right there! Great value for the money!

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  @patrickmurphy5842Ай бұрын

  Nice work

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  @patsonmusicАй бұрын

  Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video!

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  @baddriddimworkshopАй бұрын

  An analog synth will always sound pretty harsh itout a little time and or space added to them with delay or reverb, this will really add to any raw analog synth's potential. And of course you can go waaaay further with all knids of fx; phasor or roto/leslie style are a must in my opinion. I got a prophet 08 this year, so cool ! I used to have an evolver from those years i got brand new, i regret selling it sometimes, ireally like the DSI synths of that era, not ponly for they're sound and quality (kb on those are much better that the ones we have on these nowadays imo), but for that period in dave smith's profgessional history; one day i'de love to get a tempest...

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  @patsonmusicАй бұрын

  Yes, the Prophet 08 is a wonderful instrument. It wasn't love at first sight for me, but now when I did the demo videos and started messing around with building sounds, it has really grown on me. I was on the fence, should I keep it or not, but not anymore - I will keep this! The Evolver seems like a very nice DSI synth, but I've never had the opportunity to play one.

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  @WarriorEsotericАй бұрын

  I like the way it sounds, I want one

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  @patsonmusicАй бұрын

  Yes, it has some great sounds. An easy intro to FM synthesis without having to be a mathematician. And if you're are looking for one of these 4 OP FM home keyboards, the PSR-36 and PSR-41 are almost identical.

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  @danbad1380Ай бұрын

  thanks

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  @galoyuma93112 ай бұрын

  Una pregunta amigo tal vez la esta de venta?

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  @patsonmusic2 ай бұрын

  Hi, this one is not for sale, but the PSR-36 and the almost identical PSR-41 are pretty common at least here in Europe. I see at least once a month in my local market someone selling a PSR-36.

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  @MarianoPerez3 ай бұрын

  What do you recommend as a rompler that one can use to build layers and tweak here and there to hit a sweet spot? I am torn between the jupiter xm, sh4d and a controller, or the fantom 06. I really enjoyed playing my JDXI because the sounds and patterns inspire song ideas that I can fully flesh out into songs. I mostly enjoy composing on the sofa or carpet. I think I can handle the fantom 06 or even fa06 on my lap since it is only about 12 lbs. I really enjoy melodic atmospheric and ambient patterns.

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  @patsonmusic3 ай бұрын

  Hi Mariano, if you want a really hands on tweaking synth with easily accessible layers, then I say Jupiter-Xm. It is light, small, portable, but is the full Jupiter-X. You have the different expansions (XV, JP-8, Juno-106, SH, RD, JX-8P and Jupiter-X's own engine), you have 4 layers + drums, which you can easily turn on or off when needed. And it has a built in speaker, which is ok for jamming in the sofa. The drawback, only 3 octaves and mini-keys, is something at least I can live with, since the mini-keys are pretty good (100 times better than the awful attachable keybed to the Roland boutique series). Now I haven't played the JD-Xi so I can't compare that keybed to the J-Xm. But for performance you can hook up an external controller to the J-Xm and play some or one of the four layers from the controller while having pads or lead from the J-Xm itself. For hands-on control, the Xm is more versatile than the FA-06/07 since on the latter you only have direct access to a few settings. No speakers in the FA. The FA contains partly the same sounds so there is some overlap with the Xm, but I feel soundwise the Xm is superior. Fantom-06 fixes the limited hands-on controls, since it has much more on the surface. I haven't tried the Fantom-06 so can't say much about the experience. I've looked at the SH-4D, but haven't tried it. I have the FA-07, Jupiter-Xm, MC-101, some boutiques, some older Rolands so I'm pretty covered when it comes to the Roland sounds. If I did not have any of those the SH-4d would be more interesting, now I feel it is not for me. Finally for playing in the lap, I think the Xm is the best because it is small. It is not too easy playing a 61-key synth in your lap, because it easily starts to wiggle, if you play high or low notes. Hopefully this helps!

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  @patsonmusic3 ай бұрын

  Adding to that, the FA has a pretty good basic sequencer for testing and laying out songs, the Xm and the Fantom-06 have only pattern sequencer and limited rhythm, TR-style sequences - if that is something for you to take into consideration.

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  @MarianoPerez3 ай бұрын

  @patsonmusic thanks for the detailed reply. I truly appreciate your time. So if you didn't have any of these, knowing what you know now, you'd pick the sh4d? Or did I misunderstand you?

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  @patsonmusic3 ай бұрын

  @@MarianoPerez No problem, happy to share my view on these synths. Maybe my comment on the SH-4d was a little bit left up in the air. I actually went to check the specifications on that synth, and I would say that although the layout and setup resembles the Jupiter-Xm a lot (4+1 layers, effects), it is not as versatile as the Xm. It seems based on comments on reddit that SH does not offer the full models i.e. Juno-106, so if you want a better synth and all the 5-6 different models/engines go for the Xm in this case. I actually thought the SH-4d would have a similar models setup as the Xm, but since it doesn't I would not consider it for my use cases.

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  @oxiigen3 ай бұрын

  3:30

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  @Jinji113 ай бұрын

  Sweet vid. But for real. It’s lame how many people wanna dog on the D-20. We get it, you love your synth. D-50’s are getting expensive. They both sound awesome. There are people who can play on micro key Casio’s and make them sound good. They can all sound good if you know how to play them and/or combine them with other gear. It’s fun to hear two synths of a similar technological era. Thank you for sharing

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  @patsonmusic3 ай бұрын

  Thanks! Yes, although I like the D-50 more, I think you can get some great sounds out of the D-20 if you put the time into programming your own sounds. I've heard some great sounds from D-110/D-10 which are basically the same engine.

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  @psychovoices3 ай бұрын

  the jupiter 4 sound is the same

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  @remirussin72403 ай бұрын

  Sexy Boy was the first thing I thought of when I heard the Wasp, and you’re the first person I’ve heard play it on one 🤘

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  @patsonmusic3 ай бұрын

  Nice, that you noticed the Sexy Boy reference, well done! And I had totally forgot about doing this in the video. My brains are usually working like this: I pick a sound from a synth or changing the settings, and the sound gives me a hint of a song or a riff, where it has been used. Then I try to play that riff and start improvising around it. And there came a little part of the Sexy Boy, but not exactly as on the record 🙂 Actually Moon Safari is one of my favourite albums since 20 years already. One warm summer evening I was having a beer with a couple of friends on the deck of a pub boat in Turku, Finland. It was getting dark and the DJ was playing some really nice music. I'm not sure if it was Sexy Boy or All I Need I heard there and then, but I think he played several songs from the album. It was the perfect environment for the music! I just had to go there and ask him what music he was playing and the next day I went to buy the CD 😀

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  @rexcellencemagee67293 ай бұрын

  Nice job avoiding copyright! Great video!

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  @patsonmusic3 ай бұрын

  Thanks! Just noodling around with the sounds and whatever comes to mind. If a sound reminds me of some riff, I try to play it, but not too long. Otherwise I'm not actually thinking about the copyright control stuff 🙂

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  @realmchat66653 ай бұрын

  A decent ebay seller just got these (retail price + $10 shipping), I ordered one - looking forward to it, thanks for demoing, it sounds great.

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  @patsonmusic3 ай бұрын

  Thanks! Hopefully you'll enjoy that little beast!

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  @prongs06113 ай бұрын

  Hi, I love this video and all the sounds you've shown. Just a quick question as I'm an absolute beginner when it comes to synths - if I baught this, how does it connect to a keyboard? And what kind of keyboard would I need to use? Thanks in advance !

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  @patsonmusic3 ай бұрын

  Thanks for watching! You can hook any keyboard with traditional MIDI outputs (5-pin din cable) from OUT to the MIDI IN on the PRO-800. Set the keyboard to the same MIDI channel as the PRO-800 and there you go. I would recommend a keyboard that is velocity sensitive (almost all keyboards nowadays), but if it has aftertouch too, it is nice to be able to press keys harder and make the sound change a little in pitch or increase cutoff (but that gets interesting when you are more familiar with the synth and learned more about synthesis). Anyway I think the PRO-800 is a good synth to learn basics in synthesis and what parameters affects what part of the sound, since almost everything is laid out in front of you - and you don't need to do so much meny diving, when adjusting the sound and its parameters. You can also hook the PRO-800 to a computer using a USB cable and connect a keyboard to your computer, but then you always need to have the computer turned on to play it.

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  @daniels8744 ай бұрын

  Difference is like ...Upper one is for child that you love, care soo much ,you bring him heavens and other one is for unwanted kid, that you dont give damn 😂😂😂

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  @patsonmusic3 ай бұрын

  They all have their own flavours, I think. D-20 is not bad, it is just very different - and it does not have the same warmth as the big brother and lacks aftertouch keybed, too.

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  @sundenis4 ай бұрын

  I think it is not correct to compare D20 with D50.

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  @patsonmusic4 ай бұрын

  Why do you think so?

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  @sundenis3 ай бұрын

  @@patsonmusic there is no "versus" here, the D50 is the one to get, the D20 is the crappy knockoff that shares the same letter and the number zero. I used to have both and these are quite different.

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  @patsonmusic3 ай бұрын

  @@sundenis Yes, I agree! I thought the 20 would be a multi-timbral 50 based on the name, but playing both the 20 by itself and together, it became clear they are sonically very different. D-50 feels almost analog at times in comparison. It was a nice to run them side by sode, but D-50 is the keeper!

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  @Producer4Realz4 ай бұрын

  Very nice indeed. The beauty of the D-20 is the ease of user friendliness in using it as real woekstation. I never liked the d-50 back in the 80's but I bought the D-20 and had many many hours of creativity. BTW, it is 8 bits unlike the D-50. Can you email the sysex of the user bank? Its nice

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  @patsonmusic4 ай бұрын

  Yes, D-20 is very different from D-50, and most of us probably expected a multi-timbral D-50, when it was released, but it sounds so different. And I bet, if I had the time and inspiration I could problably make it sound really nice in a much harsher way than the D-50 ever could. And the sequencer was nice for people wanting to sequence their own tracks (although polyphony was limited for that use). Send me a PM for the patches! Here is one source you are probably familiar with already, eh? llamamusic.com/d110/d-110_patches.html

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  @Producer4Realz4 ай бұрын

  I have no clue how to pm. Can you please pm me?

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  @patsonmusic4 ай бұрын

  @@Producer4RealzSorry, there is no messaging possibility here. I don't remember where I found the PIEPIE sound patches zip, and couldn't find it when I tried just a moment ago. But here is at least one patch bank freely available and downloadable, kzread.info/dash/bejne/mXaWzbiuerPLm9o.html

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  @panutalus4 ай бұрын

  Nice demo, but to be honest, I believe it's the chorus effect that doesn't make any justice as it makes very phasing like sound into everything you play.

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  @patsonmusic4 ай бұрын

  Thanks! Hmm, I've actually tried to give the sound a small scent of chorus. Now I gave a listen on my living room stereo system, and I can here some phasing happening. Seems stronger with higher cutoffs. Some of it seems to come from the oscs hitting on each other, and maybe also the LFO. Maybe I have to do a chorus free session, with only some reverb 😊

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  @EG-gt7te4 ай бұрын

  It is unbelievable that the both synths come from the same vendor! Simply, D50 sounds like a synth while D20 sounds like a counterfeit dummy of the synth, so rough and lifeless.

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  @patsonmusic4 ай бұрын

  Playing presets it is hard not to agree with you! I think you can get some nice sounds out of the D-20, if you dive into programming them yourself. That said, I really like the warmth and wideness of the D-50 sounds, so for me the D-50 is a keeper.

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  @maccagrabme3 ай бұрын

  Sometimes the D50 can sound a bit too glossy and hifi thats where the D10/20 is better for layering imo.

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  @bbeightynineАй бұрын

  Very much so. I need a D50

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  @MichaelSouhokaАй бұрын

  D-50 is better than D-20, but the uniqueness about D-20 that it is a multitimbral synth which includes the rhythm part, while D-50 is a single synth. Moreover, some D-20 synth patches like Ice Rains, Polysynth, Echo Drop, are inherited into Sound Canvas patches, and becoming the part of General MIDI patches. Besides, D-20 has it's more value version, D-10 and D-5 which is the same as D-20 minus the sequencer feature and the floppy disk drive, and the rack module version D-110, and the compact module version, MT-32.

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  @funkmachine64205 ай бұрын

  I have a D-10 which I really like, but defo gonna look for a D-50 as well! Great video

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  @patsonmusic4 ай бұрын

  Thanks!

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  @dirkkeersmaekers43435 ай бұрын

  👌

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  @doordedeur5 ай бұрын

  Roland should have made a D-60: a combination of the D-50 and the D-10's possibilities.

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  @patsonmusic5 ай бұрын

  A multi-timbral D-50 would have been great for sure. I haven't dwelled into the programming part of D-20/D-10, so I'm not sure how much more it brings to the table.

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  @doordedeur5 ай бұрын

  The D-10/20 is easy to program. All parameters are aligned and easily acceptable.

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  @doordedeur5 ай бұрын

  I believe Roland has put different patches in the D-10/20, so it would differ more from the D-50. But I think most of the D-50 patches will be compatible with the D-10/20, only without chorus and eq.

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  @patsonmusic5 ай бұрын

  Yes, some patches are very similar, some are very different, despite them having the same name. And probably also different patch designers did the factory patches.

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  @adytech57885 ай бұрын

  We cannot feel the same vibes with VSTi , there is emotions ...im glad all theses rare synth cost a penny now :)

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  @patsonmusic5 ай бұрын

  Agreed! The originals are both expensive and need maintenance, out of reach for most of us.

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  @psychovoices5 ай бұрын

  arp sounds like my jupiter 4!

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  @patsonmusic5 ай бұрын

  True! I've only played a Jupiter-4 once, but it sounded so nice. Out of my budget, but it would be nice to have one at some point!

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  @marcump5 ай бұрын

  I like some better on the D-20 (mello) and some on the D-50 (more brass) I was hoping you would play both together. I bet by adding digital effects to the D-20 you'd get an amazing sound between them. The D-20 is almost the same but without the digital processing included on the D-50. I have a D-50 and a boutique D-05, but now I want a D-20 also to layer sounds.

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  @patsonmusic5 ай бұрын

  Some lead sounds were really great on the D-20, so definitively D-20 can do well, too. I feel that in a direct comparison D-20 sounds a little thinner, but I also did a separate video series on the D-20's sounds here offering a lot of nice sounds kzread.info/dash/bejne/gGhlxpKwmZnXYLQ.html Here is a more direct comparison of both synths and (almost) matching sounds. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z6lpusWmZLKsppc.html I also think the D-20 sounds really good, if you make your own sounds. And extra effects are really helpful, too.

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  @patsonmusic5 ай бұрын

  Would you like to hear some layered sounds from both of them? Maybe I can try a few sounds like that. Are you happy with the D-05? Does it sound like the D-50? I was curious about the D-05 when it came out, but frankly I was not yet back into playing synths at that point, so wouldn't have made much sense to get one.

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  @marcump5 ай бұрын

  yes, the D-05 sounds identical.. and when controlling the D-05 via the D-50 and mixing the sound through the mixer you get double D-50 sound.. run one with additional effects and mixing is fun. I actually like the difference in the D-20.. it would be fun to run the D-20 through similar digital effects.. the D-50 on one mixer channel and the D-20 on another through an effects loop and blend.. use simialr sounds from each or mix it up. Also, The great thing is.. the D-05 comes loaded with the entire D-50 library both in ROM memory and in the init patch memory. you can load your D-50 from the D-05 and use like a SSHD to swap out patch banks without the need of the internet or a computer patch library. @@patsonmusic

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  @marcump5 ай бұрын

  Keep them both for sure

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  @patsonmusic5 ай бұрын

  @@marcump Using the D-05 both as a polyphony/sound doubler and as an external bank sounds like very good usage of it. It is nice that D-05 has all memory cards issued by Roland onboard!

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  @gieselats5 ай бұрын

  My personal feeling is that the D50 sound is „better“, more distinct or more depth. Sorry! I can’t explain it really good. I am not a musician. Keep up the good work.

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  @patsonmusic5 ай бұрын

  Thank you! Yes, I see what you are saying. It is probably due to a wider sound with more movements, the D20 sounds a little more sterile. And these keyboards may also have different digital to audio converters which affects the sound, making one sound fuller and the other thinner.

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  @matthiasstock96205 ай бұрын

  Worlds apart. The D-50 sounds so much better.

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  @patsonmusic5 ай бұрын

  Yes, I agree!

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  @marcump5 ай бұрын

  I like the D-20 also@@patsonmusic

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  @flexiblemusica5 ай бұрын

  I used D20 Sounds and Sequences + U20 in 90´s Great Sounds Great Combination!

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  @patsonmusic5 ай бұрын

  Nice! I did have the U-110 module which now sound very dated and limited, but it was probably the first Roland with a pretty good acoustic piano sound. Never played a U-20, but I have a U-220 module waiting for me 🙂

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  @oupahens92195 ай бұрын

  Nice combination. Use Drums and Bass and some multilayered sprinklers from the D20 and then chords and solos from the D50.

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  @patsonmusic5 ай бұрын

  Sounds like a great concept!

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  @Jefuslives6 ай бұрын

  I did all my composing back in the day on the D-20, and used D-50 for performance. Great synths!

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  @patsonmusic5 ай бұрын

  Nice! During which years did you use them and did you also make recordings with them?

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  @Jefuslives5 ай бұрын

  Performed between 1987 and 1994, and then did session work until around 2000.

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  @chloedevereaux18016 ай бұрын

  d20 came out a year before the m1, and IT was the first true ws not the m1..... as it had an onboard disk drive ( not expensive ram cards ) a full 250,000 step seq ( not 7,700 ) and more patches and combis....

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  @patsonmusic6 ай бұрын

  You may mix up release dates with the D-50, since that came out the year before the M1. Now when I checked some old issues of Music Technology magazine, to refresh my own memory, the July 88 issue features the Korg M1 and the October 88 issue features the D-20. That also supported by my memory of my youth bands, because I had the D-50, my friend had the M1 and we were discussing which one was better. I swore by my D-50, but have to admit the M1 piano, which later became known as THE PIANO for house, was much better than the D-50 pianos - although I probably did not say that out loud 🙂 I do not actually remember the capacity of the M1 or the D-20 sequencers, but those awful proprietary cards where just too much. Low on capacity, only 64 to 100 sounds and very expensive. The floppy disk drive was a relief, and a few years later I used to program some song structures on either a Roland W-30 or a Yamaha V-50 for some music projects, and the floppies were such a blessing with the added capacity they provided.

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  @sergiodeoliveira53585 ай бұрын

  D20 and M1 both were announced at 1988 winter NAMM. D50 came out in 1987.

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  @dwsel6 ай бұрын

  7:39 Beautiful preset

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  @patsonmusic6 ай бұрын

  Yes, it is really beautiful and still very useful, I think!

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  @dwsel6 ай бұрын

  It sounds that D-20 has lesser number of operators and no delay. Does it have ringmod?

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  @patsonmusic6 ай бұрын

  It does not have operators in a DX way, but it have oscillators. As with the D-50 the D-20 sound is made of 1 to 4 parts and you can choose if you want to use oscillator waves only and/or samples for creating attacks mainly. D-20 has ringmod and other effects built-in, very digital though, so I would prefer using external effects.

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  @oupahens92195 ай бұрын

  The D50 has upper 2 oscillators and lower 2 oscillators, that has been streamlined in the D20 to 4 oscillators per voice. But in the D20 U can stack voices on the same midi channel. So U can create then a mono sound with up to 32 oscillators, which is mind-blowing. For that extra fat bassline. The D20 has more "algorithms" than the D50 to combine virtual analog saw and pwm with samples and ring modulation.

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  @patsonmusic5 ай бұрын

  @@oupahens9219 Thanks for these insights! I have to admit, I actually did not think about stacking several sounds to the same midi channel and using them for mono bass. I think as a user you should really make your own sounds on the D-20 because the first impression a little bit disappointing, when just playing presets. Many Roland synths have this problem with not so great factory presets. However, the D-50 has great presets and that is probably the reason why there were so much (over) used on albums in the end of 80s

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  @doordedeur5 ай бұрын

  The saw wave of the D-10/20 is also a pulse wave, but modulated.

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  @oupahens92195 ай бұрын

  @@doordedeur but these waves can only be altered with "velocity", which is a total bummer. Who the heck wants to do that with velocity. MV1, aftertouch, LFO are the tools to control PWM, like in the D50. D10 made a sacrifice to maybe accommodate the then Multies on the same chip.

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  @Super-Data20016 ай бұрын

  Pretty close but in my opinion it depends a lot on the way the sysex was programmed and it is necessary to take into account that the sampling frequency with regard to the PCM part on the d50 is undoubtedly higher in 44.1khz and that it integrates better effects

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  @patsonmusic6 ай бұрын

  Yes, the warmer sound of the D-50 is apparently due to better samples, but also the synth part feels warmer. That said, the D-20 has some great sounds on its own, which I realized playing through the sounds in Nov/Dec.

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  @Super-Data20016 ай бұрын

  @@patsonmusic I bought a d110 for €40 which is obviously the RACK version of the d20 d10 (I don't really know what the differences are apart from the sequencer and the floppy drive) this machine, behind its romper appearance, is a real, truly underrated synthesizer on the other hand when it comes to ergonomics there is enough to end up like Jack Nicholson in The Shining😅

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  @patsonmusic6 ай бұрын

  @@Super-Data2001 That's a great price for the D-110. Basically they are all the same, the D-10 is the D-20 without the sequencer and the floppy, and the D-110 is the rack version. As far as I know there are no differences. I can really relate to ending up like Nicholson 🙂. Roland's 80s gear have pretty complicated user interfaces and rack modules are usually painful to program. Fortunately nowadays there are some nice editors available to help you out, CTRLR is one supporting many synths and Edisyn is another great effort in bringing editors to the people.

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  @user-ok7vg6bt4g6 ай бұрын

  It's a great piece. Keep it up!

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  @patsonmusic6 ай бұрын

  Thank you, much appreciated 😊

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  @amirprog6 ай бұрын

  How is the keybed compared to stage 2 88? I find the stage 2 88 not responsive enough in fast repetitions, the black keys are too light as opposed to the white once, and its too easy to achive ff - harsh sound

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  @patsonmusic6 ай бұрын

  I've only had the Stage 2 EX HP76 before, and they were not really good. Lots of mechanical noises and pretty light for piano-touch keys. I've never played a 88-key Stage 2. I really like the keys on my HA73, they felt a little bit heavier than I wanted them to, but after the first impression I've really come to love the feel. They feel slightly lighter than on my Yamaha P80 (a more than 20 year old epiano with a great touch).