This channel is about MTB and road bike cycling using the latest technology, especially smartwatches.
I have trained since 2009 with a power meter and did many amateur bike races in France with my wife. I am also found of new technologies and have IT skill, which is why I have created BIPR in 2018. We are building cycling applications to make life easier while cycling and training. This channel not only speaks about our applications (with tutorials), but also about many other cycling & technology related topics.
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Curious when you did the testing on the ultra did you have the Heart Rate Sensor set to "Continuous" ?
Yes continuous monitoring was activated... A s well as always on display. Only stress monitoring was disabled.
@@bipr thanks forgot to ask does your app work on the latest huawei watches ?
@@kuau714 I don't think so... It works on Wear OS and can be downloaded only on the Playstore...
curious while testing the Ultra did you have the HR sensor set to "Continuous" ?
Yes HR was set to continuous monitoring... 💓
I can’t make it work. I installed everything, disabled BLE, enabled Connect IQ data field. When I select Start Riding and Let’s Go, the iPhone app crashes
@@keped1 Did you install Garmin Connect? Is your Garmin paired with your iPhone? Do you see it connected in Garmin Connect? Another important thing: did you gran all permissions including location?
Yes to all of that. If I disable Connect IQ data field, it starts up alright. When enabling it shortly flips to Garmin Connect and return again. But when enabled it can’t start a workout without crashing
Honestly if it would be possible to have HR with the iPhone screen turned off, I would consider to take a subscription, but for now it's not practical :/
Thanks for your feedback.
I passed all steps, I can see HR on phone screen but nothing on garmin 130+. I enabled IQ and disabled BLE, do I need to add HR sensor on garmin or it should just appear on the activity screen?
It should appear on the screen on the HR2VP field you added. Is your GPS connected to your phone with Garmin Connect?
How is the battery life, have you activated all the health options like continuous heart and stress tracking, sleep, etc.?
Heart rate continuous monitoring was ON as well as sleep tracking. Continuous strees tracking was not activated.
@@bipr how long did your Galaxy Watch Ultra last on a single charge?
@@ibby81ae The watch lasted 2 days. I will see in the future if it can be more than that...
@bipr was always-on display on aswell?
@@ibby81ae yes with always on display.
As a cyclist i can be outside doing a ride with breaks for several hours. Might be 5-8 hours. Will the Ultra last that long tracking the entire ride with GPS and also using the map navigation? Great review
@@FabOnABike 8 to 10 hours should be fine. There is also a battery saving workout mode which I didn't test till now... I'll see in the future
All depends on your phone more than anything. You can't use Apple Watch with android & even if you could use this with Apple, nobody will pick this over an Apple Watch Ultra who owns an iPhone. For many years now, the Watch keeps me in Apple iPhone ownership. The actual operating system in Samsung & Google watches sucks.
Apple watches are great products as well, the HR sensor is for example more accurate.
Sometimes when I'm using this with zwift, whenever I start going up a gradient my avatar goes super slow, what's going on here, is there a way I can adjust it to have a better experience using hr2vp?
@@ThatGuyKal There is a little delay between the time you push harder on the pedals and the time your power increases. If all people you are riding with go faster at the start of a climb, try to push harder a little bit before it start to climb. What you can do as well is increasing your FTP parameter.
@@bipr I'm very unfit so I can't push for too long, I don't ride with others, I only solo ride and ride against my ghost. how can I adjust my parameters to be more forgiving for my lack of fitness besides increasing my FTP parameter? Would adjusting my max HR help?
@@ThatGuyKal Max hr and min he should be your real values. Increasing max hr will do the opposite... What FTP parameter did you take?
@@bipr Thanks for taking the time to respond. I'm using a real value for RHR, Max HR I used an estimate, Correct weight and using an estimate for my FTP "How Many KM can you run in 1h" I put 4.5 which is about right based on my last run (very unfit).
@@ThatGuyKal ok the tool is an estimation mainly desgned for athletes, try to increas ftp and dicrease max hr...
WATCH + iPhone = overkill.
I can understand but there is no alternative today and many riders take their phone with them in any case...
Très bon test
Merci
Thank you for the review. I think it needs more clarification for GPS based fitness activity battery life. For example, you start riding, how long the battery lasts, five hours, six hours? What about battery life in trail runs or trekking for example, where you start the fitness app and go for many hours etc.
Good question. When I tested it took 10% per hour so expect between 8 and 10 hours I guess. There is a battery saving workout mode but I didn't test it till now.
@@bipr Thank you; so it can cover a triathlon on the paper :)
Great Review
great video 😊😊 very helpful
Thank you!
Apple watch is the most accurate from several articles I read. What do you think?
I completely agree, you can see in the video 6:09 that the Watch SE 2 has an accuracy of 2% which is even better than the Galaxy Watch Ultra. Watch Ultra is the best among Wear OS devices.
Thanks for the great review. I am still using my trusty Pixel Watch 1 and I was pleasantly surprised to see it is still the top Wear OS device for HR accuracy (well, at least BEFORE this new Samsung). I am probably going to get the Watch 7 (which has almost all the same internals) and was hoping that Samsung finally got their act together, especially in terms of GPS accuracy. Looks like they finally have done that. Do you have any plans to test the 7, as well?
The Watch 7 has the same HR sensor so you will get the same results as the Galaxy Watch Ultra. Maybe even better for people with smaller wrists because the watch is smaller and may better fit their wrist! This is a good choice as well. :-)
That ai generated thumbnail was all sorts of wrong.
Sorry? Can you tell me more? I didn't use AI for the thumbnail... I just took a picture of the watch with my Sony camera using my 2.8 FE 90mm macro lens at 5.6 and put text as overlay afterwards. On the back it is my white helmet which is blured because of the depth of field...
What does it mean to have an accuracy of 7%? Is that a good thing? Since it's accuracy per device, shouldn't be "the higher, the better"? Why is it that the closest to 0 is better than closest to 100 (in terms of accuracy, isn't 100% accuracy the best?). I believe I'm misinterpreting the graph
7% means the real value is close to 7% to what the sensor gives you. If you have 0%, this means that the gives you always the exact value. Or 100% correlation gives you an exact value as well. My definition of accuracy in the video : standard deviation divided by the mean of the heart rate values. So lower is better.
@@bipr A-ha! So the 7% means how much it deviated from the "true value/base value" which is taken from the Polar H10 (same one that I use, by the way). Thanks the the insight! Great video, by the way! I was already on the fence about getting one, you just pushed me in the right direction! Keep up with the work!
Its 7% inaccuracy or margin of error present in the calculation.
Thanks. Its a very nice smartwatch and very responsive. Also the HR are much more stable than on the watch 4. The body battery measures are spot on for me at last.
I agree with you, and I think/hope firmware updates will come in the future and improve a little bit measurements.
Could you please let me know how long you have owned the Ultra Watch?
I got the watch on monday morning, so 4 days ago! I tried to do my best to gather maximum information during this time.
Could you please do a follow-up review? I have heard that the battery life improves after a week of usage.
@@ibby81ae Yes it may be possible that you get more juice after one week, but I don't really know today. I would have expected a bit more battery life given the capacity and the thinner processor... I will continue to test the watch and tell you in the comments in the comming days if it gets better!
@bipr I hope it lasts at least three days with all the features enabled.
@@ibby81ae As of now, 2 days maximum, but I will keep you updated!
How do you know the Strava measurement is necessarily all that much better. Sometimes with these devices I wonder if consistency isn't what really matters. If you use the same device, and it gives you the same results so that you can improve... :-) interesting
The definition of FTP is the maximum power that you can hold for an hour. I agree with this, and I am not sure I could hold 255W for an hour; I think Strava's estimation is probably too high. On the other hand, I know I have never done a 20-minute all-out test, but I was able to hold 240W for 20 minutes. I think at least 240W can be sustained for an hour, but maybe not 255W. Strava takes the whole power curve into account to estimate FTP, gathering data from all your rides. Conversely, Samsung only uses data from the current ride and focuses on the 4-minute power peak. Currently, I am working on FTP estimation based on power-to-HR correlation, but Samsung seems not to use HR data (there was no HR data during the ride). I need to do more tests to better understand how Samsung's FTP estimation works, but I believe it is only based on your 4-minute power peak.If you perform a 4-minute all-out test, you will get an idea of your VO2max power, not your FTP. Even though there are slight differences between individuals, VO2max is often correlated with FTP (if you get fitter, your FTP will increase along with your VO2max). Therefore, it is not unreasonable to estimate FTP based on VO2max. As you suggested, consistency is what is most important. Personally, I don't need to know the exact value of my FTP; I am more interested in how big companies handle this concept. Sorry for the lengthy response!
What do you think of the new Galaxy Watch Ultra?
I appreciate your testing, specially with external sensors. I find the Ultra way too expensive compared to what it brings of extra features compared to the Watch 7 (or the TicWatch Pro); apart from the materials, it's a bigger battery, and the 10 ATM rating, plus the button for workouts. The ATM is a static rating and Samsung one their web site specifically says it's not for diving below 1.5 meters. That's disappointing, compared to Huawei GT4 Pro, Ultimate, Garmin or the Apple Watch Ultra. I had high hopes for the new bioactive sensor and they claim a 30% improvement over the Watch 6 in terms of accuracy in tracking dynamic HR changes, but perhaps it's not enough. It will do other things such as AGEs, and probably more in the future.
@@GadgetyMV Thanks for your additions! I agree with you that the HR sensor can still be improved. It's 7% for the Galaxy Watch Ultra, whereas it's 2% for the Apple Watch, which is much better...
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Good news. I understand that the Iphone has to be connected via the HR2VP all the time. How much battery does this drain? What do you mean with the screen cannot be switched off? What about standby mode? Do you have to pay a subscription?
I was able to do 100km+ rides, so of course it will impact the battery but for a few hours it is fine. Maybe not for ultra endurance rides however... You can turn off GPS in HR2VP on the phone to optimize battery consumption. The screen of the phone needs to be ON, I'm not sure to see what you mean with stand by but if you press the power button to lock the screen once, the screen will be switched off and the app may not work properly. I invite you to try and confirm or not if it works. Concerning the subscription, you can try it for free for 15 minute workouts, in order to see if everything works fine and if so, the subscription is a bit less than 4$ a month. If you prefer to pay only once, the Lifetime is around 35$.
Your channel has several problems due to which you don't have views If you want I can show you the problems in your channel in the form of screenshots
Feel free to add a comment if you have any question or need some help! Be sure to select 'Apple Watch/No' for the heart rate sensor in HR2VP's Settings on your phone. Don't try to scan for Bluetooth Low Energy device if you want to use your Apple watch.
the best video comparing the 2 AFAIK. Thanks a lot buddy!
Is this shareable to kids on a family group? If kids only have an iPod (not sure which version yet), but assuming it has Bluetooth, is the app able to run on that?
She enjoyed watching the video. I would like to ask how accurate the smart bracelet is from Huawei P6, knowing that I use it when riding the bike outside. Are there any experiments to accurate the calculation throughout this hour?
As you can see on the video, chest strap usually give better results although I didn't test the smartband that you mention...
I have been in a long-running battle with Hammerhead SRAM about my elevation gain results on my Karoo 2. The results have typically been 20-25% higher than Strava's adjusted data, sometimes a lot more even. SRAM has replaced my unit twice, including once within just the last few days. All three of the units report these errors. I see in your video that the Karoo 2 did pretty well. But here in Jackson, WY, my friends with Garmins get data that is very close to Strava's consistently. People with the Karoo 2, not so much. Even people with newer Karoo 2 units, like me. One person I know just got a Karoo 3 and it performs well. Anecdotal and not statistically significant, I know, but it makes me wonder if they have fixed the problem now and can't really claim that all newer Karoo 2 units now yield reasonably good results. Anyway, I am going to sell my Karoo 2 online and get a Garmin. Even better, maybe I will keep both for a while and do my own real-time comparisons.
There was a time when my Karoo 2 was off for elevation but it is now back in order, no more issue for me.
@@bipr How did you fix it?
@@1ntrask I did nothing, there should be a firmware upgrade that fixed it... It worked great when I first had the unit, then not so good, then again fine...
Bonjour, Même résultat que vous. En l’espace de 3 mois j’ai acheté le 840 solar (écran trop petit) , puis , le 1040 Garmin et finalement le karoo 3 , bilan je n’utilise que le karoo 3 qui est , et de très loin le plus lisible . avec le 2 autres, je n’arrêtais pas de me perdre , un comble pour un GPS. Cordialement philippe
@@philippebonnefoy5730 Content de voir que nous partageons le même avis ! Il est vrai que la navigation avec le Karoo 3 est très appréciable...
love the idea to send a point from the phone to the gps. I've lost maaaany minutes in the road trying to do it in the gps directly
You're right, it is a smart idea from Hammerhead. I tried on the Karoo 2 but it didn't work. It is available only on the K3, this is a difference between both devices...
Which features do you expect most for bike GPS? How much battery life needed?
hi, thank you for this app, i have been using it for a very long time now. i use it for biking on my zwiift indoor and when im out it was able to connect my samsung sport with my wahoo bikecomputer which was amazing too. recently i think wahoo pushed an updated and now i no longer find the sensor. is ther an chance that there is an fix for this? there is really no other way to connect a smartwatch with a wahoo bikecomputer. anyway. hope you are doing well. your app was great for the time it worked ❤
Thanks for the feedback. Unfortunately I doubt Wahoo will fix it and I can do nothing on my side since the connection is initiated by the Wahoo device...
@@bipr aah damn, sad to hear, thank you for answering and the app again, it was great while it worked. do you think it is the device and a newer one would work again? i know the galaxy sport is quiete old, sad i would have to replace it since it is still serving its purpose. guess wahoo wants to sell their own hardware instead 😮💨
@@MyMMC Unfortunately, with Wahoo there will be few solutions with newer watches. On Wear OS, the only solution for Wahoo is to use an ANT+ USB stick plugged into your phone with our app 'HR2VP Watch BIke Computer'
@@bipr damn, that would be a massive downgrade. guess i hope wahoo will fix this since a lot of my friends who use the wahoo belt also report issues since that update. thank you.
I have a question for you regarding the edge 540 and galaxy watch 6. Is there a way to connect the edge 540 the galaxy watch 6 lte so it can use the watch network for the emergency contact feature on the edge 540?
having a pro RODE mic is no guaranty for nice sounding audio, apparently.
On which device are you watching the video? The sound was clean on my headset but I try to understand why some people complain about it...
@@bipr Probably people who listen to you on a mono device who cant hear your voice. Because You have an inverted stereo field on your voice track. So in stead of that your voice comes from the center , it comes "not from the center" there are a few seconds where it is correct : between (04:26) and (04:35) your voice channel has a normal stereo field. If you flip the left or right channel in your voice track it sounds normal , i tried. I'm listing through a pair of SC203 speakers on a PC. This also will probably make your voice disappear or go very silent if the viewer listens to your video on a mono device.
@@bipr P.S. you can check this for yourself , in windows settings choose accessibility , and turn on Mono audio , you will still hear the background music , but you will not hear your voice anymore. So anyone with a mono device will potentially not hear your voice depending on how the device handles the stereo to mono mixing.
@@edtim3550 Thanks, I think this has to do with my camera pre amp. In the small extract where it works, the mic was connected to my PC with USB... I will sync in post next time.
Nice work, keep it up! Which additonal tracker do you prefer in general? I see you tested a lot and many tests includes different devices, which is really great yet makes it a little complicated to decide. I got a Xiaomi watch 2 pro and u had a great influence on my decision. :) I want to enhance my sleep tracking, I do outdoor cycling, jump ropes, calisthenics. the list may grow :)
You may have some issues with built-in optical sensors at high intensity but for sleep tracking, heart rate is low and you don't move a lot, so it is perfectly fine. What I would suggest is to get a good heart rate monitor for sports only, not for everyday life. My favorite one is: amzn.to/4ahXYCC It is rechargeable, accurate, comfortable, with led indicator, so very nice. If you prefer an arm band to a chest strap (a bit less accurate but OK), this one is good as well: amzn.to/44CwPsG Of course you can pick up a Polar or Garmin heart rate monitor, it is accurate as well but a bit more expensive. It is up tu you to decide :-)
There is a new option which came out after the video, download HR2VP Connect IQ data field on your Garmin device and enable Garmin Data Field on the watch in HR2VP 's Settings.
I did and it still doesn't work!
@@emgin4 Did you try with ANT+ or with the data field? If data field, you need to enable broadcasting to the data field, you need your phone with you and the data field needs to be added to one of your screen. HR will be displayed on the data field but not on the native field for heart rate because Garmin doesn't allow developers to override native values.
I added the hr2vp data field to the screen and didn't get anything. Then about an hour later it said trial expired?
@@dboccabella I think there is a communication issue. Is the Companion app 'HR2VP Watch Bike Computer' installed on your phone ? Is Garmin Connect installed on the same phone ? Is your watch connected to your phone ? Is your Garmin device connected to your phone ? Are all permissions granted for HR2VP Watch Bike Computer companion app on your phone ? Do you see a Garmin Service notification popup on your phone ? Is Garmin data field broadcasting enabled on your watch ? (no need for BLE broadcasting) Sorry for all these questions but everything needs to be checked... Thanks
@bipr yes confirmed all apps installed. Hr2vp says installed on all devices. Changed watch app to data only. Garmin and watch connected to phone. Why does the data widget only give me a 500s trial? Do i need to buy something else?
Edge 1030 doesnt work with BLE and HR2VP. I cant try ant, becuase my Note 20 Ultra doesnt support ant+ natively (dissapointing because it seems some note 20s did) but my usb-c port is fubar'd and I cant use a dongle. so its either upgrade my phone, or buy a garmin heart rate monitor I guess. The FCC and FTC should force these companies to get on board with data sharing. this is silly.
Yes you are not lucky, the note ultra is the only note 20 which is not ANT+ native... There is a new possibility which is not completely official but it should work: join the beta and get the latest beta for HR2VP Watch Bike Computer. Enable ANT+ broadcasting (even if your phone is not ANT+ compatible). A new Service will run in the background and transmit data to the HR2VP Data Field which you need to add to your profile screen on your Garmin GPS. To get the data field : apps.garmin.com/fr-FR/apps/ab94e897-c1a0-4d5c-9688-89ecfb11126a I am interested in your feedback if you try...
Not sure what I did wrong. I have been using power meters for 20 years and know my HR at most given power outputs. The app doesn’t even get close. And it appears to drop out often do power starts to drop. I can’t get power output past about 120 watts. My ftp is about 235 right now.
I invite you to check parameters : min heart rate, max heart rate (should be achievable, not theoretical), and set FTP at 235W in the app. If you know yourself, you can fine tune the FTP parameter, it doesn't have to be exactly your FTP. For some people, it is a bit more, other people a bit less... If you want a more stable power out (less sensitive to variations), you can set power values parameter to smooth (or in the middle) instead of accurate. It will be less responsive but more stable. Last suggestion, if you already have a power meter, you can connect it to the app and it will tell you the best parameter to use for the FTP at the end of the workout. This way you can calibrate HR2VP. Another question: which heart rate monitor do you use ? Are you sure it is accurate ?
Hello everyone! i have a garmin edge 1030 is the watch6 connects to garmin yet as for today 04/18/2024?
Hi, yes, it is possible to connect your watch to your Edge unit through your phone with ANT+ today, as described in the video. A new option should be available in the coming days (through your phone as well).
After a few more rides, I had no data loss when connecting a heart rate monitor to the watch with the app HR2VP Watch Bike computer, which was not the case with the optical sensor of the watch. This might be the best option for sports enthousiasts...
Hi, about battery life time, any reference?
More than enough for me... I think around 20h or more...
Nice compare, but 100h battery life cannot compare with a 12 - 14 days battery life of a Garmin, so the watches are to expensive i think?
You re right, bigger battery life for Garmin and often much more expensive. Can you now answer calls directly on Garmin watches?
On my Garmin Fenix 6S i can answer WhatsApp messages with pre prepared messages and i can pickup an incoming call, i never test to talk during a workout or a ride. I always just stop to be save on the road.@@bipr
Garmin is overrated .Ugly watch faces, terrible sleep tracking, button arrangement sucks. Workout data is the only good thing about it.
Which one would you pick up between Oneplus Watch 2, Mobvoi Ticwatch PRO 5, Xiaomi Watch 2 PRO, Samsung Galaxy Watch 6? Why?
Hey if my indoor cycle have Bluetooth can i easily connect it with zwift and does it require any speed or power sensor then?
Can we connect bluetooth tws now?
gread review and details your channel will grow man thanks
Thanks for your feedback!
I own a Samsung Mobile phone, so in theory there would be better integration with the Samsung watch though I'm unclear what difference this makes in practice. There is also the question of how much weighting each person would put on each score, but that is a matter of individual choice which this helpful analysis and scoring allows anybody to do. Thanks.
Will this work on Garmin Explore 2 with Watch 5 Pro?
Yes, it will work with ANT+
@@bipr My S23U doesn't support ANT+ sadly.
@@Dowper It is a pitty that Samsung dropped ANT+ support... There is still the option with an ANT+ USB stick.
@@bipr Okay, last question - is it possible to run HR2VP app and Samsung Health cycling training simultaneously, so I can see the HR on the Garmin Edge and also record a cycling in Samsung Health at the same time?
@@Dowper Yes it should be possible, the app runs in the background.