This was saved on film and film deteriorates after time. It's a shame.
@markandrew596813 сағат бұрын
As far as I can tell, Shaq is the most physically powerful player in NBA history. I know a lot of people will say Wilt Chamberlain, but they're just wrong. Don't get me wrong, Wilt was a freak, but Wilt also played in an era where actual documentation and evidence could be hard to come by, and feeding the myths of his strength worked in his favor to intimidate opponents. As an example, Wilt has claimed that he could bench press 600 pounds. This is simply impossible. That would be more than world-class strongman Hafthor Bjornnson, who is 3 inches shorter than Wilt but outweighs Wilt by somewhere around 130 pounds, can bench. While Hafthor doesn't specialize in bench press and there are strongmen who bench quite a bit more than him, it's biomechanically impossible for somebody with Wilt's physique to be stronger than somebody with Hafthor's. This is hardly the only wildly exaggerated story of Wilt Chamberlain. I certainly haven't watched every game Wilt has played, but in the video I have been able to find, I've never seen him moving faster than Shaq could move. He could probably out-jump Shaq, but he definitely didn't beat Shaq out in strength or speed. That is also not to discredit the skill Shaq had. He wasn't merely power. Still, I think it's pretty obvious that his skill wasn't greatly beyond the average NBA player, and in a lot of areas was worse than the NBA average. I'm with you though that Shaq's whole career, as good as it was, was still an incredible waste of talent. He was content being the biggest and strongest out of the people around him and had no apparent desire to be the best him he could be. If you put the competitive mania of somebody like Jordan, Magic, Bird, or Kobe into Shaq's body, you would probably have produced the undisputed best basketball player of all time. Side note, can you imagine how absurd Larry Bird's brain in Shaq's body would be? One of the most driven, skilled, and intelligent players of all time, whose brain managed to make him one of history's best despite his physical capabilities falling short of NBA average, and then combined that with the body of a guy whose physical capabilities were so immense that they forced the entire league to change how they played basketball in order to stop him, despite his skill falling below NBA average? That's one scary thought.
@Fallbaby8715 сағат бұрын
Kobe lying for no reason he 14-7 vs tmac but 6-16 vs Bron 😂😂😂
@henzypenzy821617 сағат бұрын
What??? kobes rings? Cmon now research will have you taking back most of your comments gee!!!
@user-yh9lr4nb7m17 сағат бұрын
It was good back then because we didn't know it was going to get better 😮
@lotuslife323918 сағат бұрын
NBA added a rule in the 90s to make Jordan better. They stopped allowing players to double team a guy before he got the ball. This rule opened up the mid range game of Mike and many others but in a triangle offense like Bulls you really don't wanna double team ever or it's an open layup or open 3pter. In Wilt's era, teams were loading up the paint with 3 guys before Wilt even got the ball, and he wasn't allowed to play like Shaq so I'd say he popularized the fadeaway in an era where there wasn't rlly much more you could do in the post. As easy as it is to say MJ is the greatest and most dominant guard to ever play, he rlly don't wanna see Wilt playing the 2 surrounded by other bigs. Like in 2k I put Wilt at the 5 and Wemby at the 4, Bird at 3 and with that tall ass lineup I can add KD to the 2 and there just isn't enough space on the floor for MJ to consistently score on KD. And KD just gotta take a dribble or 2 and shoot right over Mike.
@LynREACTED16 сағат бұрын
thats an ELITEE lineup ngl lol
@user-yh9lr4nb7m18 сағат бұрын
The 3 point line was introduced his first year in the league.
@user-yh9lr4nb7m18 сағат бұрын
Kobe called Larry Legend money , Kobe was Larry Legends favorite player ❤❤
@user-yh9lr4nb7m18 сағат бұрын
Yes he won MVP this year 🎉
@lotuslife323918 сағат бұрын
Wilt in 2k add the Michael Jordan dunk package with free throw dunks, give him at least a 95 mid range and fadeaway, give him 99 speed with ball, 99 block, 90+ steal, 99 rebound, 99 strength, 90+ hook shots, 99 post control 99 standing dunk 99 driving dunk, Jokic passing, 90+ perimeter d, 99 interior d, and if u wanna make shit modern you can give him KD/Wemby dribble moves. I think in today's era Wilt would even shoot some 3s, they would look like fading 3s like Lebron does but he would probly have to shoot with 1 hand like Kevin Duckworth cause he was so strong. I gave him Rick Barry underhand free throw too he made 28-32 fts in his 100 pt game using that free throw. Only reason he stopped shooting those like Rick Barry was cause everyone made fun of him for it.
@user-yh9lr4nb7m18 сағат бұрын
Congrats 🎉
@LynREACTED16 сағат бұрын
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@jakubkubalek503620 сағат бұрын
1. MJ 2. Kareem 3. Duncan 4. Wilt 5. Larry
@kantovagrant319421 сағат бұрын
LB34 was better than MJ23 in college. He had a jump shot with a 86.4% clip rate. He legit dropped 35 points and 9 rebounds with no help against UNC vs Jordan at UNC when UNC had Jordan with 8 top 15 picks. Then the next week Bias dropped 42 points 15 rebounds and 8 assists against Duke. 42 points, with no threes. 😂😂😂 If Bias went to the Celtics it would've been a role reversal. Bias had to do everything at Maryland and Mike had help off the bench where could afford an off night. Jordan went to an empty rebuilding Bulls team, and Bias went to the reigning champion Celtics.
@davidschmidt179321 сағат бұрын
Jordan didn't play better in the 95 playoffs at all. The dude probably only compared the ppg and assumed wrong. Rodman stepped up in the 96 finals but in no way was he the MVP of the finals. You'd be giving him the MVP based on his rebounding alone, considering his defense wasn't that impactful. Had he shut down Kemp, you could make the case, but he barely guarded him. Meanwhile, Jordan led them offensively to a 3-0 lead, played great defense, averaged 27/5/4 in the finals to Rodman's 7.5/15/2.5. Btw, Magic Johnson was not out of his prime in 1991. He literally won the MVP in 1989, 1990 and was 2nd in the voting in 1991.
@LynREACTED21 сағат бұрын
honestly with magic, i assumed he was near the end of his career bcuz he retired the same year. he averaged 31 in 95. and yea i just saw he shot pretty bad in that orlando series. but he shot even worse in that supersonics series lol. 41% my brother?? with the closing out game 5/19. im ngl everything keeps lining up lol MJ is NOT the goat lol
@henzypenzy821616 сағат бұрын
@@LynREACTED if jordan aint the goat you talking bout another sport! Who has been telling you these lies?
@davidschmidt17932 сағат бұрын
@@LynREACTED The Sonics were one of the best defensive teams of the 90s. After the Bulls went up 3-0, they made a point to focus on Jordan defensively, mainly because other players were shooting badly(Pippen shot 34.3% and the Bulls's true shooting was a horrible 50.9%). With the constant trapping and double teaming, Jordan had 2 bad shooting games. That doesn't change the fact he led them to a 3-0 lead and the series was over at that point. His defense in the series and playmaking in game 6 were elite nevertheless.
@davidschmidt179322 сағат бұрын
Wilt lost before the finals when he averaged 50ppg. He didn't reach the finals until his last season on the Warriors when he actually had a couple of Hofers next to him and the Warriors had moved to the West(they were an eastern team).
@LynREACTED21 сағат бұрын
when did he get exited?
@davidschmidt179322 сағат бұрын
Saying that Jordan couldn't win without having the best team ever is hilarious. You trully have no idea who he beat or what happened in those championships.
@LynREACTED21 сағат бұрын
shi name it then my brotha
@davidschmidt17932 сағат бұрын
@@LynREACTED I can't tell you in detail, it would be too long of a reply. But every championship is different and so were those Bulls teams. Jordan carried the 97 and 98 teams to the ring. His runs in 92 and 93 are still the top 1 and 2 in terms of PPG in a championship run. Not only he had insane impact offensively, his defense was also elite. When you look at some of the playoff series from the Bulls in these 4 years(92,93,97,98), the Bulls would have lost several if Jordan hadn't stepped up. 91 was a cakewalk, easily Jordan's easiest ring. The competition was subpar and Jordan didn't have a single bad game in that entire playoff run, so the Bulls dominated. 1996 they faced some good teams, but the Bulls's team played great on both ends. In other words, 91 and 96 were the easiest rings. 92,93,97 and 98 were true battles. Out of the 16 playoff series in those years, I can see them losing atleast 10 of them if Jordan had played badly or hadn't played the way he did. Another thing, looking at how many top 75 members are in a team is an awful way to determine how good his competition was. I think the 2004 Lakers would be the first to tell you that.
@LynREACTEDСағат бұрын
@@davidschmidt1793 was jordan always at the advantage those years?
@davidschmidt1793Сағат бұрын
@@LynREACTED No. If I told you his supporting cast was mediocre or average, I'd be lying. Every star needs a good supporting cast to win and with Jordan it was no different. However, they did face teams that were just as good as they were and some were better. The Bulls were favorites to win according to Vegas, but that doesn't mean they were a better team. Not a lot of people were betting against a prime Jordan. When you look at the production of the Bulls's supporting cast in 1997 and 1998, it is laughable. They were literally the lowest scoring supporting casts to ever win a championship. Their defense and rebounding also dipped in the 1997 playoffs, which is why I said Jordan carried them. In 1992 and 1993, they were going to lose several series if Jordan hadn't gone supernova. Look at the 1993 finals. Even with Jordan averaging 41ppg on great efficiency, on top of grabbing 8+ boards and playing great defense, it took a Paxson game winner to avoid a game 7 in Phoenix.
@Baselinehangtime8Күн бұрын
MJs peak is amazing. I’d still give elgin Kareem Bill and of course wilt a higher peak tho MJ highlights is def up there for the most entertaining for flashy style of play on both ends for sure. The substance of his game does not out weigh his style tho. If it did, he would not be unable to make the finals in the 80s when Wilt elgin bird bill etc… have the tools to do so with MJs 80s teams. Bird made the conference finals as a rookie with the same exact team that had just 3 more wins than the bulls team rookie jordan had before birds team was even stacked. So that’s why MJ before pippen got there not getting past the bucks is no excuse Bill at his peak avg 22 5 26 12 and 8 off 46% shooting in the playoffs lol No one can deny how much Easier the 90s was than the 80s. The 86 Celtics and showtime lakers and even the dantley pistons were far better than even the 88 Lakers 89 and 90 pistons. No question and just look at the early and mid 80s compared to the late 80s top teams. It’s no contest in favor of early to mid 80s. Now that’s not Jordan’s fault that he came into the league when majority of his career was in the 90s but it is his fault that he could not dominate a season without scoring in high bunches which is the reason he could not get over any humps in the mid 80s before pippen got there and that’s also his fault tho he was definitely still the best player on his team. Reason why someone like Elgin is more impressive than MJ is cuz elgin was MJ same size but defended and even rebounded like a goat big man on top of scoring like MJ and wilt against competition when he had EVEN LESS THAN WILT yet going to the finals. So he’s far more battle tested. Petits 1958 chip is amazing too. He ended the finals with like 50 points and 20 rebounds lol Also media is a key thing to understand in all of this debate. Wilt was known in china before there was any kind of media. MJ and Lebron are golden children of media which is why as the guy said in the video that MJ is engraved and burned in the minds of people. We can list teams that MJ beat and teams that wilt best and bird best and Kareem beat and Kobe beat etc… and see whose teams will be in the lead and whose will be at the bottom. MJs will be near the bottom MJ best comp at shooting guard in playoffs Drexler, Dumars, Miller, John Starks Wilt best comp in postseaon at his position Bill, Kareem, Reed, thurmond, Bellamy, Zelmo, Lucas, petit, Cowens, elvin, etc… It’s a no brained when you really get honest and consistent with logic In closing, here’s some Players I hope you can react to some day by the way Connie Hawkins (top 2 ever if they let him play outta college) Bob dandridge especially his defense Cousy Bob mcadoo Bellamy esp flying thru the lane from free throw line as a center Elmore Smith Randy smith Calvin Murphy Tiny archibald Paul Westphaul Jamal Mashburn World b free schooling jordan lol Charlie Scott Joe the destroyer Hammond Bob Lanier Moses malone Elvin Hayes John Havlicek Sam Jones Jack Twyman KC Jones Joe Caldwell Gus Johnson James worthy Maurice Stokes (the first Zion) George Mikan (literally l jokic) Wes Unseld Guy rodgers Bob Petit Just to name a few lol. Figure it’ll spread knowledge and give you views
@LynREACTED22 сағат бұрын
even crowley didnt seem too convinced mj was the greatest. im actively looking for reasons to validate the fact he was, but everything is pointing to wilt😭 ngl bro. and fashoo brotha igu
@davidschmidt179322 сағат бұрын
I'm not gonna weigh in on the Wilt or Kareem debate, but your take on Jordan lacks context. You can't compare the teams Bird and Jordan had in their rookie seasons. I love how Celtics fans constantly bring up the win differential in the 79/80 season compared to the Birdless team in 78/79 without adding context. The 78/79 Celtics was a mess. Not only multiple players dealt with injuries, including their best scorer, they also had no coach and had chemistry problems. Rookie Bird had a Hof coach, in Bill Fitch. He had 2 Hofers next to him, in Dave Cowens and Tiny Archibald. He had good role players around him like Carr, Cedric Maxwell, Maravich and Ford. He was the engine of that team, but also had all the pieces to turn that team into a championship caliber team. Rookie Jordan was literally playing next to a bunch of drug addicts and nobody on that team had ever made an all star team. Oh yea, he was playing for a coach that had an NBA losing record also. Not really a comparable situation. Plus, Bird making the ECF was not that big of a deal. Celtics didn't play in the first round and beat a weak Rockets team in the second round before bowing out to a strong 76ers team in the ECF in a gentleman's sweep. If a rookie Jordan must have beaten a loaded 59 win Bucks next to 0 all star talent, then you must hold the same standards to the other all star greats that are supposed to have been better than him. Bird should have beaten the 76ers in 1980, should have beaten them also in 1982 with homecourt advantage, sure as hell shouldn't have been swept by a weaker Bucks team in 1983 and should have beaten the Lakers in 1985(also with homecourt advantage). No excuses there. And Magic? Choking and losing to a Rockets team with a losing record in 1981(in the first round with homecourt advantage) is inexcusable. Not to mention choking against the Celtics in 1984. Kareem and Wilt had a big share of playoff failures aswell.
@Baselinehangtime821 сағат бұрын
@@davidschmidt1793 Trust me, context is the WRONG word to think of to say I’m lacking that when it comes to jordan. You LITERALLY HAVE TO IGNORE CONTEXT in order to call jordan the goat. Just about Every argument for him including analytics are void of context whatsoever. I will pick the rest of this comment apart in a minute but just need to let that first part be known cuz the irony in that hypocrisy to start your comment off is sick lol. Like covid level sick
@Baselinehangtime821 сағат бұрын
@@LynREACTED worrrdup. Unfortunately wilt is not the marketable or popular choice so a lot of people try they best to ignore the truth
@Baselinehangtime821 сағат бұрын
@@davidschmidt1793 No need to weigh in on a settled debate for over 40 years lol Wilt outplayed prime Kareem in a series when he was way past his prime then matched him in the following series even older and even more injury bothered when Kareem embarrassed post prime wilt offensively but Wilt embarrassed post prime Kareem defensively. So prime wilt is worlds beyond prime Kareem. So wilt is clearly greater than Kareem not to mention he has far more abilities to higher extents n tougher comp and rules he proved himself against So the bird rookie vs MJ rookie was one of many points I had and an extremely small part of the picture but nonetheless there are still some corrections to be made there Out the gate you come with not just a contextless argument for rookie Jordans teammates, but the age old lie narrative that his team was just druggies. Like seriously?? Come on man you can do far better bro That’s the same line of casual thought non hoopers use to describe wilts era as plumbers and firemen First off let’s start with how even if what you claim was true, drugz are actually ZERO excuse esp over the course of a year when MJs teamates we’re NOT SEVERELY GETTING WORSE AS THE SEASON PROGRESSED and even more proof is looking no further than the late 60s and 70s NBA Summer league at Rucker Park where Joe the destroyer Hammond would REGULARLY SHOW UP AT HALFTIME HIGH OF HERON AND DROP 50 a half even on DR J! We all saw Joe shooting up too so don’t even try to act like you didn’t! Miss me with the sorry excuses my good brother MJs teammate Orlando woolridge had his literal 2 best FULL SEASON of his career in 1985 and 1986 and the other teammate next in line Dailey had one of his best years of his career in 1985 as well Again miss me with the imaginary excuses Speaking of imaginary, which one of MJs teammates was on substances that year in 85? Or was the whole team on it except MJ? Once you name who, tell me please, What was the exact effect it had on each of those players? You get the picture. I’ll move on to the next point
@ar7pr219Күн бұрын
Next, you need to react to "The Strength of Wilt Chamberlain", jaranarm
@LynREACTEDКүн бұрын
gotchu brotha
@ar7pr219Күн бұрын
Wilt usually obliterated Russell every time they matched up in the playoffs aside from the 1969 finals but of course, Russell having the better teammates and coach was usually able to barely get by the one-man team that was Wilt Chamberlain. Russ fans claim that Celtics 7-1 PO record shows Russ dominated and is better than Wilt as a player. Wilt fans say he dominated Russ individually but that Russ’s teammates outplayed Wilt’s. This thread looks at the actual record, series by series and game by game. I examined all 49 PO games. I tracked data in four categories: TS%, Pts, Reb, Ast. The overall data showed this: PTS: Wilt: 43-6 (Wilt had more points than BR in 43 games vs. 6 games for Russ.) REB: Wilt: 32-18 (1 tie) AST: BR: 27-15 (7 ties) TS%: Wilt: 32-17 I figured out Russ/Wilt’s teammates’ data by subtracting Russ/Wilt’s stats from team stats. PTS: BR's teammates: 40-9 (BR teammates had more points than Wilt's in 40 of those games, vs. 9 for Wilt's mates.) REB: BR teammates, 33-15 (1 tie) AST: BR teammates: 28-16-5 TS%: BR teammates, 26-23
@LynREACTEDКүн бұрын
so bill russell always had the advantage. realistically can bill even be considered top 10? maybe influential-wise but playwise? where would you rank him?
@LynREACTEDКүн бұрын
also these r the type of stats that make HUGEE shifts in goat debates. much appreciated brotha
@ar7pr219Күн бұрын
Bill Russell won a game 7 finals by 2, 3, 2, and 2 points. Aka 4 championship by 9 points total Russell won a game 7 edf by 5, and 2 points Russell won a game 7 ecf by 1, and 4 points. If a few shots went a different way, Russell could have lost 8 series
@zmvpaintingКүн бұрын
There will never be another MJ, BUT there will be someone better!
@aramhamparian9641Күн бұрын
1> Wilt 2. MJ 3. Larry 4. Kareem 5. Magic I saw all these guys play, and this is what I base my opinions on. I saw Magic and Bird even play in college.
@LynREACTEDКүн бұрын
u saw how far wilt came up the list lol. i see it now too brotha
@aramhamparian9641Күн бұрын
@@LynREACTED Wilt still has over 50 NBA records that have never been broken. Unreal...
@Baselinehangtime8Күн бұрын
@@aramhamparian9641he also has plenty that the nba has not recognized such as the only player in history to lead the league in blocks Fg Rebs mvp all nba team and at his position assists and top 5 in assists overall position while winning the chip while beating a team that went 8-0 chips in history. So many records within records within records wilt has lol Yes you can look up blocks through news articles and paying NBA archives
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This was saved on film and film deteriorates after time. It's a shame.
As far as I can tell, Shaq is the most physically powerful player in NBA history. I know a lot of people will say Wilt Chamberlain, but they're just wrong. Don't get me wrong, Wilt was a freak, but Wilt also played in an era where actual documentation and evidence could be hard to come by, and feeding the myths of his strength worked in his favor to intimidate opponents. As an example, Wilt has claimed that he could bench press 600 pounds. This is simply impossible. That would be more than world-class strongman Hafthor Bjornnson, who is 3 inches shorter than Wilt but outweighs Wilt by somewhere around 130 pounds, can bench. While Hafthor doesn't specialize in bench press and there are strongmen who bench quite a bit more than him, it's biomechanically impossible for somebody with Wilt's physique to be stronger than somebody with Hafthor's. This is hardly the only wildly exaggerated story of Wilt Chamberlain. I certainly haven't watched every game Wilt has played, but in the video I have been able to find, I've never seen him moving faster than Shaq could move. He could probably out-jump Shaq, but he definitely didn't beat Shaq out in strength or speed. That is also not to discredit the skill Shaq had. He wasn't merely power. Still, I think it's pretty obvious that his skill wasn't greatly beyond the average NBA player, and in a lot of areas was worse than the NBA average. I'm with you though that Shaq's whole career, as good as it was, was still an incredible waste of talent. He was content being the biggest and strongest out of the people around him and had no apparent desire to be the best him he could be. If you put the competitive mania of somebody like Jordan, Magic, Bird, or Kobe into Shaq's body, you would probably have produced the undisputed best basketball player of all time. Side note, can you imagine how absurd Larry Bird's brain in Shaq's body would be? One of the most driven, skilled, and intelligent players of all time, whose brain managed to make him one of history's best despite his physical capabilities falling short of NBA average, and then combined that with the body of a guy whose physical capabilities were so immense that they forced the entire league to change how they played basketball in order to stop him, despite his skill falling below NBA average? That's one scary thought.
Kobe lying for no reason he 14-7 vs tmac but 6-16 vs Bron 😂😂😂
What??? kobes rings? Cmon now research will have you taking back most of your comments gee!!!
It was good back then because we didn't know it was going to get better 😮
NBA added a rule in the 90s to make Jordan better. They stopped allowing players to double team a guy before he got the ball. This rule opened up the mid range game of Mike and many others but in a triangle offense like Bulls you really don't wanna double team ever or it's an open layup or open 3pter. In Wilt's era, teams were loading up the paint with 3 guys before Wilt even got the ball, and he wasn't allowed to play like Shaq so I'd say he popularized the fadeaway in an era where there wasn't rlly much more you could do in the post. As easy as it is to say MJ is the greatest and most dominant guard to ever play, he rlly don't wanna see Wilt playing the 2 surrounded by other bigs. Like in 2k I put Wilt at the 5 and Wemby at the 4, Bird at 3 and with that tall ass lineup I can add KD to the 2 and there just isn't enough space on the floor for MJ to consistently score on KD. And KD just gotta take a dribble or 2 and shoot right over Mike.
thats an ELITEE lineup ngl lol
The 3 point line was introduced his first year in the league.
Kobe called Larry Legend money , Kobe was Larry Legends favorite player ❤❤
Yes he won MVP this year 🎉
Wilt in 2k add the Michael Jordan dunk package with free throw dunks, give him at least a 95 mid range and fadeaway, give him 99 speed with ball, 99 block, 90+ steal, 99 rebound, 99 strength, 90+ hook shots, 99 post control 99 standing dunk 99 driving dunk, Jokic passing, 90+ perimeter d, 99 interior d, and if u wanna make shit modern you can give him KD/Wemby dribble moves. I think in today's era Wilt would even shoot some 3s, they would look like fading 3s like Lebron does but he would probly have to shoot with 1 hand like Kevin Duckworth cause he was so strong. I gave him Rick Barry underhand free throw too he made 28-32 fts in his 100 pt game using that free throw. Only reason he stopped shooting those like Rick Barry was cause everyone made fun of him for it.
Congrats 🎉
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1. MJ 2. Kareem 3. Duncan 4. Wilt 5. Larry
LB34 was better than MJ23 in college. He had a jump shot with a 86.4% clip rate. He legit dropped 35 points and 9 rebounds with no help against UNC vs Jordan at UNC when UNC had Jordan with 8 top 15 picks. Then the next week Bias dropped 42 points 15 rebounds and 8 assists against Duke. 42 points, with no threes. 😂😂😂 If Bias went to the Celtics it would've been a role reversal. Bias had to do everything at Maryland and Mike had help off the bench where could afford an off night. Jordan went to an empty rebuilding Bulls team, and Bias went to the reigning champion Celtics.
Jordan didn't play better in the 95 playoffs at all. The dude probably only compared the ppg and assumed wrong. Rodman stepped up in the 96 finals but in no way was he the MVP of the finals. You'd be giving him the MVP based on his rebounding alone, considering his defense wasn't that impactful. Had he shut down Kemp, you could make the case, but he barely guarded him. Meanwhile, Jordan led them offensively to a 3-0 lead, played great defense, averaged 27/5/4 in the finals to Rodman's 7.5/15/2.5. Btw, Magic Johnson was not out of his prime in 1991. He literally won the MVP in 1989, 1990 and was 2nd in the voting in 1991.
honestly with magic, i assumed he was near the end of his career bcuz he retired the same year. he averaged 31 in 95. and yea i just saw he shot pretty bad in that orlando series. but he shot even worse in that supersonics series lol. 41% my brother?? with the closing out game 5/19. im ngl everything keeps lining up lol MJ is NOT the goat lol
@@LynREACTED if jordan aint the goat you talking bout another sport! Who has been telling you these lies?
@@LynREACTED The Sonics were one of the best defensive teams of the 90s. After the Bulls went up 3-0, they made a point to focus on Jordan defensively, mainly because other players were shooting badly(Pippen shot 34.3% and the Bulls's true shooting was a horrible 50.9%). With the constant trapping and double teaming, Jordan had 2 bad shooting games. That doesn't change the fact he led them to a 3-0 lead and the series was over at that point. His defense in the series and playmaking in game 6 were elite nevertheless.
Wilt lost before the finals when he averaged 50ppg. He didn't reach the finals until his last season on the Warriors when he actually had a couple of Hofers next to him and the Warriors had moved to the West(they were an eastern team).
when did he get exited?
Saying that Jordan couldn't win without having the best team ever is hilarious. You trully have no idea who he beat or what happened in those championships.
shi name it then my brotha
@@LynREACTED I can't tell you in detail, it would be too long of a reply. But every championship is different and so were those Bulls teams. Jordan carried the 97 and 98 teams to the ring. His runs in 92 and 93 are still the top 1 and 2 in terms of PPG in a championship run. Not only he had insane impact offensively, his defense was also elite. When you look at some of the playoff series from the Bulls in these 4 years(92,93,97,98), the Bulls would have lost several if Jordan hadn't stepped up. 91 was a cakewalk, easily Jordan's easiest ring. The competition was subpar and Jordan didn't have a single bad game in that entire playoff run, so the Bulls dominated. 1996 they faced some good teams, but the Bulls's team played great on both ends. In other words, 91 and 96 were the easiest rings. 92,93,97 and 98 were true battles. Out of the 16 playoff series in those years, I can see them losing atleast 10 of them if Jordan had played badly or hadn't played the way he did. Another thing, looking at how many top 75 members are in a team is an awful way to determine how good his competition was. I think the 2004 Lakers would be the first to tell you that.
@@davidschmidt1793 was jordan always at the advantage those years?
@@LynREACTED No. If I told you his supporting cast was mediocre or average, I'd be lying. Every star needs a good supporting cast to win and with Jordan it was no different. However, they did face teams that were just as good as they were and some were better. The Bulls were favorites to win according to Vegas, but that doesn't mean they were a better team. Not a lot of people were betting against a prime Jordan. When you look at the production of the Bulls's supporting cast in 1997 and 1998, it is laughable. They were literally the lowest scoring supporting casts to ever win a championship. Their defense and rebounding also dipped in the 1997 playoffs, which is why I said Jordan carried them. In 1992 and 1993, they were going to lose several series if Jordan hadn't gone supernova. Look at the 1993 finals. Even with Jordan averaging 41ppg on great efficiency, on top of grabbing 8+ boards and playing great defense, it took a Paxson game winner to avoid a game 7 in Phoenix.
MJs peak is amazing. I’d still give elgin Kareem Bill and of course wilt a higher peak tho MJ highlights is def up there for the most entertaining for flashy style of play on both ends for sure. The substance of his game does not out weigh his style tho. If it did, he would not be unable to make the finals in the 80s when Wilt elgin bird bill etc… have the tools to do so with MJs 80s teams. Bird made the conference finals as a rookie with the same exact team that had just 3 more wins than the bulls team rookie jordan had before birds team was even stacked. So that’s why MJ before pippen got there not getting past the bucks is no excuse Bill at his peak avg 22 5 26 12 and 8 off 46% shooting in the playoffs lol No one can deny how much Easier the 90s was than the 80s. The 86 Celtics and showtime lakers and even the dantley pistons were far better than even the 88 Lakers 89 and 90 pistons. No question and just look at the early and mid 80s compared to the late 80s top teams. It’s no contest in favor of early to mid 80s. Now that’s not Jordan’s fault that he came into the league when majority of his career was in the 90s but it is his fault that he could not dominate a season without scoring in high bunches which is the reason he could not get over any humps in the mid 80s before pippen got there and that’s also his fault tho he was definitely still the best player on his team. Reason why someone like Elgin is more impressive than MJ is cuz elgin was MJ same size but defended and even rebounded like a goat big man on top of scoring like MJ and wilt against competition when he had EVEN LESS THAN WILT yet going to the finals. So he’s far more battle tested. Petits 1958 chip is amazing too. He ended the finals with like 50 points and 20 rebounds lol Also media is a key thing to understand in all of this debate. Wilt was known in china before there was any kind of media. MJ and Lebron are golden children of media which is why as the guy said in the video that MJ is engraved and burned in the minds of people. We can list teams that MJ beat and teams that wilt best and bird best and Kareem beat and Kobe beat etc… and see whose teams will be in the lead and whose will be at the bottom. MJs will be near the bottom MJ best comp at shooting guard in playoffs Drexler, Dumars, Miller, John Starks Wilt best comp in postseaon at his position Bill, Kareem, Reed, thurmond, Bellamy, Zelmo, Lucas, petit, Cowens, elvin, etc… It’s a no brained when you really get honest and consistent with logic In closing, here’s some Players I hope you can react to some day by the way Connie Hawkins (top 2 ever if they let him play outta college) Bob dandridge especially his defense Cousy Bob mcadoo Bellamy esp flying thru the lane from free throw line as a center Elmore Smith Randy smith Calvin Murphy Tiny archibald Paul Westphaul Jamal Mashburn World b free schooling jordan lol Charlie Scott Joe the destroyer Hammond Bob Lanier Moses malone Elvin Hayes John Havlicek Sam Jones Jack Twyman KC Jones Joe Caldwell Gus Johnson James worthy Maurice Stokes (the first Zion) George Mikan (literally l jokic) Wes Unseld Guy rodgers Bob Petit Just to name a few lol. Figure it’ll spread knowledge and give you views
even crowley didnt seem too convinced mj was the greatest. im actively looking for reasons to validate the fact he was, but everything is pointing to wilt😭 ngl bro. and fashoo brotha igu
I'm not gonna weigh in on the Wilt or Kareem debate, but your take on Jordan lacks context. You can't compare the teams Bird and Jordan had in their rookie seasons. I love how Celtics fans constantly bring up the win differential in the 79/80 season compared to the Birdless team in 78/79 without adding context. The 78/79 Celtics was a mess. Not only multiple players dealt with injuries, including their best scorer, they also had no coach and had chemistry problems. Rookie Bird had a Hof coach, in Bill Fitch. He had 2 Hofers next to him, in Dave Cowens and Tiny Archibald. He had good role players around him like Carr, Cedric Maxwell, Maravich and Ford. He was the engine of that team, but also had all the pieces to turn that team into a championship caliber team. Rookie Jordan was literally playing next to a bunch of drug addicts and nobody on that team had ever made an all star team. Oh yea, he was playing for a coach that had an NBA losing record also. Not really a comparable situation. Plus, Bird making the ECF was not that big of a deal. Celtics didn't play in the first round and beat a weak Rockets team in the second round before bowing out to a strong 76ers team in the ECF in a gentleman's sweep. If a rookie Jordan must have beaten a loaded 59 win Bucks next to 0 all star talent, then you must hold the same standards to the other all star greats that are supposed to have been better than him. Bird should have beaten the 76ers in 1980, should have beaten them also in 1982 with homecourt advantage, sure as hell shouldn't have been swept by a weaker Bucks team in 1983 and should have beaten the Lakers in 1985(also with homecourt advantage). No excuses there. And Magic? Choking and losing to a Rockets team with a losing record in 1981(in the first round with homecourt advantage) is inexcusable. Not to mention choking against the Celtics in 1984. Kareem and Wilt had a big share of playoff failures aswell.
@@davidschmidt1793 Trust me, context is the WRONG word to think of to say I’m lacking that when it comes to jordan. You LITERALLY HAVE TO IGNORE CONTEXT in order to call jordan the goat. Just about Every argument for him including analytics are void of context whatsoever. I will pick the rest of this comment apart in a minute but just need to let that first part be known cuz the irony in that hypocrisy to start your comment off is sick lol. Like covid level sick
@@LynREACTED worrrdup. Unfortunately wilt is not the marketable or popular choice so a lot of people try they best to ignore the truth
@@davidschmidt1793 No need to weigh in on a settled debate for over 40 years lol Wilt outplayed prime Kareem in a series when he was way past his prime then matched him in the following series even older and even more injury bothered when Kareem embarrassed post prime wilt offensively but Wilt embarrassed post prime Kareem defensively. So prime wilt is worlds beyond prime Kareem. So wilt is clearly greater than Kareem not to mention he has far more abilities to higher extents n tougher comp and rules he proved himself against So the bird rookie vs MJ rookie was one of many points I had and an extremely small part of the picture but nonetheless there are still some corrections to be made there Out the gate you come with not just a contextless argument for rookie Jordans teammates, but the age old lie narrative that his team was just druggies. Like seriously?? Come on man you can do far better bro That’s the same line of casual thought non hoopers use to describe wilts era as plumbers and firemen First off let’s start with how even if what you claim was true, drugz are actually ZERO excuse esp over the course of a year when MJs teamates we’re NOT SEVERELY GETTING WORSE AS THE SEASON PROGRESSED and even more proof is looking no further than the late 60s and 70s NBA Summer league at Rucker Park where Joe the destroyer Hammond would REGULARLY SHOW UP AT HALFTIME HIGH OF HERON AND DROP 50 a half even on DR J! We all saw Joe shooting up too so don’t even try to act like you didn’t! Miss me with the sorry excuses my good brother MJs teammate Orlando woolridge had his literal 2 best FULL SEASON of his career in 1985 and 1986 and the other teammate next in line Dailey had one of his best years of his career in 1985 as well Again miss me with the imaginary excuses Speaking of imaginary, which one of MJs teammates was on substances that year in 85? Or was the whole team on it except MJ? Once you name who, tell me please, What was the exact effect it had on each of those players? You get the picture. I’ll move on to the next point
Next, you need to react to "The Strength of Wilt Chamberlain", jaranarm
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Wilt usually obliterated Russell every time they matched up in the playoffs aside from the 1969 finals but of course, Russell having the better teammates and coach was usually able to barely get by the one-man team that was Wilt Chamberlain. Russ fans claim that Celtics 7-1 PO record shows Russ dominated and is better than Wilt as a player. Wilt fans say he dominated Russ individually but that Russ’s teammates outplayed Wilt’s. This thread looks at the actual record, series by series and game by game. I examined all 49 PO games. I tracked data in four categories: TS%, Pts, Reb, Ast. The overall data showed this: PTS: Wilt: 43-6 (Wilt had more points than BR in 43 games vs. 6 games for Russ.) REB: Wilt: 32-18 (1 tie) AST: BR: 27-15 (7 ties) TS%: Wilt: 32-17 I figured out Russ/Wilt’s teammates’ data by subtracting Russ/Wilt’s stats from team stats. PTS: BR's teammates: 40-9 (BR teammates had more points than Wilt's in 40 of those games, vs. 9 for Wilt's mates.) REB: BR teammates, 33-15 (1 tie) AST: BR teammates: 28-16-5 TS%: BR teammates, 26-23
so bill russell always had the advantage. realistically can bill even be considered top 10? maybe influential-wise but playwise? where would you rank him?
also these r the type of stats that make HUGEE shifts in goat debates. much appreciated brotha
Bill Russell won a game 7 finals by 2, 3, 2, and 2 points. Aka 4 championship by 9 points total Russell won a game 7 edf by 5, and 2 points Russell won a game 7 ecf by 1, and 4 points. If a few shots went a different way, Russell could have lost 8 series
There will never be another MJ, BUT there will be someone better!
1> Wilt 2. MJ 3. Larry 4. Kareem 5. Magic I saw all these guys play, and this is what I base my opinions on. I saw Magic and Bird even play in college.
u saw how far wilt came up the list lol. i see it now too brotha
@@LynREACTED Wilt still has over 50 NBA records that have never been broken. Unreal...
@@aramhamparian9641he also has plenty that the nba has not recognized such as the only player in history to lead the league in blocks Fg Rebs mvp all nba team and at his position assists and top 5 in assists overall position while winning the chip while beating a team that went 8-0 chips in history. So many records within records within records wilt has lol Yes you can look up blocks through news articles and paying NBA archives
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