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@Ghostshadows3062 жыл бұрын
I like Subir Sarkar but he’s dead wrong on this matter. I would ask the simple question. Since when is the public obliged to do anything that doesn’t benefit them directly? Is it the public’s job to make scientists happy by funding their personal playgrounds that more often than not amount to precisely nothing? You guys haven’t done jack didily in decades that’s amounted to more than the discovery of particle none of you can even explain. I wouldn’t sign off on a mop job for any you much less some million dollar wild goose chase.
@nemosdiary82712 жыл бұрын
Shame that there is no progress in Tamil nadu on it
@akankshae2 жыл бұрын
So inspiring
@NuisanceMan2 жыл бұрын
"a campaign by a politician to generate fears about neutrinos amongst the local people" FEARS about NEUTRINOS? Wow -- talk about not understanding the science! You have more to fear from a shadow...
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@rrcatindori77743 жыл бұрын
Great to have the session chaired by Nagarajan Sir. Thanks
@TheAmk123453 жыл бұрын
@Shri 's talk.. Astronomy or any science missions should really dissect the worthiness of an expedition in terms of the job creation and whether the science project really is a requirement of the society, when there are lacs of children dying out of hunger, many horrendous acts happening on the earth. May be a part of the scientific community should commit for bringing science ideas to the betterment of society and use the brainpower for that reason.
@brawnstein3 жыл бұрын
Just because it is not immediately useful for society doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. Some things are done for curiosity and knowledge.
@vijaybharath97693 жыл бұрын
Good morning 2all
@anirudhmalik51073 жыл бұрын
WOW!! Glad to see this symposium. Lovely.
@vijaybharath97693 жыл бұрын
morning sir
@blindfoldchess77623 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Abhijeet
@vijaybharath97693 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir
@arvinsubramaniam9223 жыл бұрын
How does INO uniquely help INDIA per se? We are simply importing the globalist model of economics to science, and pretending that global big science collaborations with India involved will be beneficial to our culture long-term. It will highly likely not - the science will be conducted by Western rules, in non-Indian languages, the prestigious prizes will go to the Westerners (or the Indians who have moved abroad), and overall the Indian economy and culture will not benefit form this. Ambitious science projects, yes, but there needs to be an intelligent way of doing either (i) Unique science projects that have not been already conceived by others, and (ii) Integrating it to our deeper culture, in the sense of language and values. The important question to ask is: will the median family be talking about these projects at the dinner table in 20 yrs time? In Western countries - yes, in India, almost certainly no. This will be a great defeat and a huge waste of money and resources in the long term. The century long inferiority complex and cultural subjugation will only deepen
@SubirSarkarOxford3 жыл бұрын
You refer to "our culture", "Western rules", "non-Indian languages" etc ... but the only `culture' here is modern science which is international in its outlook and whose rules are written by Nature - it is conducted in English simply because that has turned out to be the global language. Science is not a cultural construct and Nature is indifferent to who gets the prizes and who was overlooked. Perhaps the universal interest in science has less to do with 'the globalist model of economics' than with just "the pleasure of finding things out" as Feynman said? Moreover all of our lives are inexorably shaped by it. Science was indeed a key tool of colonial subjugation but can it not also provide the means to overcome the "century long inferiority complex and cultural subjugation" you refer to? You are right that there is a lot of unimaginative, copycat science - but should we not also look at the bold courageous science done by people like C.V. Raman and J.C. Bose? These people were not created by Govt. decree - surely we can hope that others will follow, if given the opportunity to become scientists. You typed your message on a phone or computer connected to the world-wide-web which was developed at CERN the international science laboratory to enable people from all over the world to engage and collaborate - has that not benefitted the "Indian economy and culture" along with others? Of course the priorities for national investment in science need to be carefully considered (it is after all the taxpayer's money) but how do you jump from that to concluding "This will be a great defeat and a huge waste of money and resources in the long term"? Being scientific requires being able to justify your assertions to your peers - not just engage in polemics.
@arvinsubramaniam9223 жыл бұрын
@@SubirSarkarOxford 1. We need the analogue to JC Bose today, no doubt. It is less clear that this will arise from INO and similar projects. If academia is honest, we should admit that we are (i) blindly competing for h-indices and other metrics, and (ii) imposing a "prestige race" method of doing science (publish productively, rack up pretigious awards but fundamentally explain nothing) that has been the feature of Western science for the past ~50 yrs. We should at least be honest about this. Pretending that it is purely driven by the "pleasure of finding things out" is not going to help anyone. 2. See my comment below on non-uniqueness of technology. If you continue peddling misunderstandings about technology this will surely be a great defeat in the long-term.
@SubirSarkarOxford3 жыл бұрын
Certainly agree with you that we need the likes of JC Bose today - but he was such an unique individual that the best we can do to make that happen is try to create an environment which encourages original thinking as well as enabling the development of technical skills. It has been amply demonstrated that high energy physics laboratories provide such an environment. Of course that is not the only option and strengthening university education (and research) is arguably even more important - see e.g. "Mega Science Versus Small Science: Remarks on Scientific Research in India" by Majumdar & Mukherjee (wwwops.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/114/05/0953.pdf). However that is easier said than done and decades of neglect of the universities will take more than a handful of premier institutions like IITs & IISERs to correct in the short term. Complementary steps like the setting up of national labs also help. Of course you are right that the majority of academia are caught in a rat race as you describe. Nevertheless progress *is* being made in science - it is driven by individuals who do it not for h-indices or awards but really because of the "pleasure of finding things out". JC Bose was one of them - as you know he abhorred the notion of making money out of wireless communication as Marconi did - that is why he is not as well-known for his work ... but that is also why you and I remember him. Should young scientists today not be given the opportunities he was denied?!
@SubirSarkarOxford3 жыл бұрын
Sorry I cannot see your "comment below on non-uniqueness of technology".
@SubirSarkarOxford3 жыл бұрын
@@arvinsubramaniam922 I've just seen your "worrying observations/comments" in `reply' to the pinned message at the top about the slides. Thanks - have replied to all of them there.
@apu_lukaa3 жыл бұрын
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@ROLEX22902 ай бұрын
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@exerjiexerji3 жыл бұрын
Dear Sir (Prof Dr. Subir Sarkar), I am a great admirer of yours. I followed your talks on Dark Energy/ Cosmology etc. and landed up here on this talk, by coincidence. As a Tamil, it pains me how the state I come from, which prides itself being a generation ahead of rest of India in social justice, rationality, education and all indices of human development has let itself down, by handing its keys over to anarchists and insular politicians. If only BJP wasn't in power now, it would have made things easy. Throwing "baby with the bath tub" is something that comes easily to all in India, Tamils being no exception. There's severe distrust of anything BJP does. If someone says Government of India is building a Tidal Power Station in Gujarat coast and it's a sinister move to deflect waves in a way to erode Bay of Bengal coast on their side, these very politicians will bat no eyelid and start protest march. Such a shame that anti-Central government, anti-BJP distrust harvested over a long time has come to a state where it is hurting Tamilnadu's intellectual progress. The same VaiKo and other politicians who are against it travel far and wide (including Uncle Sam, where their progeny reaps the rewards being in a science driven, rational and private enterprise society) and yet put blinkers on when it comes to their own state. Also, VaiKo, Seeman et al keep batting the Sri Lankan Tamil cause; a good deal of SL Tamil diaspora live in Switzerland, the co-host of CERN. It is ironical that while their patrons live happily over-ground CERN and the LHC tunnels, these myopic leaders would not let even a smaller version of such scientific advancement happen on Tamil soil. There are just two simple rules for implementing anything, in Tamilnadu: 1) Prove beyond doubt that there are no Brahmins involved (especially, Tamil Brahmins); this may be easier to prove 2) There is no BJP involved, including being in power!; this will take time as BJP continues to be hold power Perhaps, an easier strategy to get Tamil politicians to support INO will be to plant stories in all Tamil vernacular press that Tamil Brahmins and BJP are secretly planning to shift valuable scientific advancement that was due for Tamilnadu away from the state and are taking it to Hindi heartland (UP) or Gujarat (where Modi hails from). There'll be a huge furore on "how dare they deny us our access to knowledge and growth" and come knocking at the doors of INO .
@SubirSarkarOxford3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your observations. You are quite right - this has become a stupid political game. What a pity it has come to this sorry mess ... in the democratic and open society which we we are justifiably proud of. Meanwhile in China the Jiangmen Underground Neutrino Observatory is being constructed (juno.ihep.cas.cn/). Good luck to them ... in the end what is discovered will belong to all. But what young Indians will miss out on is the opportunity to do cutting-edge science in our own country.
@eigenfeynman98902 жыл бұрын
@@SubirSarkarOxford Where in India are you from?
@ksumitsah35313 жыл бұрын
I am a wheelchair student . Have the CEBS wheelchair environment 🙄 I mean roap & lift everywhere
@devansh22843 жыл бұрын
To know such things file an RTI.
@CBSScienceClub3 ай бұрын
Sorry for getting back this late, but our institute is wheelchair accessible
@ksumitsah35313 ай бұрын
@@CBSScienceClub I left the study now 😊
@SubirSarkarOxford3 жыл бұрын
Slides available on: www-thphys.physics.ox.ac.uk/people/SubirSarkar/INO.pdf
@arvinsubramaniam9223 жыл бұрын
Some worrying observations/comments: 1. 11:26 You are continuing a false dichotomy between fundamental research and real-world problems. There is no contradiction - they are separate activities and they should co-exist. Continuing speaking in these terms implies that there is a pot of money to be allocated for either one or the other. This is not - and has never - been the case. It puzzles me why the academy has been drowned in this ideology for decades and have not been able to think of the bigger picture. 2. 14:00 - 15:00 You very accurately mentioned our success pre-independece era, and the current challenges. But you have missed the key point of what has happened in between - scientists moving in the thousands to the West, and then coming back and lecturing us on how to do science in a way that does not benefit Indians (for e.g. the whole string theory fad that has wasted thousands of bright Indian minds). Now I am not sure events could have played out differently, given the nature of the economic disparity, but this calls for a deeper discussion on the relationshp between sciene and economics that the academy almost always fails to understand. 3. 1:17:00 India needs to compete with the best, but not on other people's terms in a way that will not benefit us. The correct way to think about it is "India as a model for the world" applied to science (note that this was the case historically), instead of competing blindly on superficial metrics such as publication rate, h-index, or number of patents (you didn't mention this explicitly but this is what I infer from the term "compete") 4. 1:27:45 You are missing the key point on technology, and are assuming that technological inventions are unique and singular. This is the globalist view of technology, and it needs to be disproved. You are dismissing the people who make the negative remark and failing to understand that they have been under decades long cultral subjugation driven by this technological gap. Gravity is not a cultural construct, yes, but the iPhone is. Ask any mechanical engineer about the differences between German and Japanese cars and they'll give you an hour long lecture on it. Technologies are vital, yes, but it is equally final that they are built by Indians for India in India with Indian money and brains. A lot of the core cultral and human aspects are glossed over if you simply assume we can import and consume things built by others. I sincerely hope the detached Indian academia can see the light on this and on how they've failed their people with public money. If interested, please look up (Padma Shri) Sridhar Vembu, he is seeking to hire talented Indians to build everything from semiconductor fabs, medical devices, and operating systems in India. Example: kzread.info/dash/bejne/e6R11MajoJXWe8Y.html 5. 1:40:30 The only reason this is "annoying" and "maddening" is because you are in an academic bubble. And after this you immediately suggest after that you want to carry the nation with you. At a human level, this is a very Western way of solving problems - live in an isolated bubble and then pretend that that strategy will unite the nation. The same ideology underpins how Harvard faculty pretends to care about inner city black people for two weeks during the riots, and how companies like Goldman Sachs run the CSR programs to "give back" to society. These are fundamentally non-Dharmic values in my opinion. I agree that the opposition to the IMO's may not have the best of intentions, but you should understand that they garner support by exploiting very basic facts about human psychology and economics that the detached academia fail to understand.
@SubirSarkarOxford3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your perceptive critique ... which I largely agree with. To respond to your points: 1. Indeed `pure' and `applied' research should co-exist and this false dichotomy dissolved. It does however require different kinds of abilities to do one or the other. 2. History is what happened. As you say it is not clear how "events could have played out differently, given the nature of the economic disparity". We can only ask how to go forward. 3. You missed the emphasis in my statement which was "... compete *on a level playing field*". 4. I was in fact talking about science - *not* about technology ... which indeed has a cultural component as you correctly observe. However "building in India" is not enough! E.g. in China I have seen chinese-made versions of the iPhone - while a lot cheaper they basically copy the original ... there is no *new* thinking there. Fifty years ago I was very fired up, along with many others (especially at the IIT where I was studying), by the notion of "appropriate technology" - this is I think what you are alluding to. Indeed this was suppressed by global capitalism. Thirty years ago when I was working for an NGO in Bhopal I learnt that having been conditioned from birth to become consumers, people generally prefer the latest, shiny stuff to technology which is optimally designed for their specific needs. Thanks for the pointer to Sridhar Vembu. Incidentally the MRI scanner he talks about evolved out of the work on nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) done by physicists like Peter Mansfield and Paul Lauterbur (who were awarded the 2003 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for their "discoveries concerning magnetic resonance imaging"). Supports my previous point doesn't it that breakthrough technologies often emerge from `pure' science research? The world-wide-web was not developed by a IT company but by physicists at CERN for the global community (Tim Berners-Lee did an undergrad degree in physics at Oxford). 5. As indicated above, I have in fact had experience of working outside the `academic bubble'. Anyway this discussion should not descend to making personal remarks - otherwise I would ask why you choose to refer to "Dharmic values" - as if such values (honesty, refraining from injuring living beings, purity, goodwill, mercy, patience, forbearance, self-restraint, generosity, and asceticism) are either unique to any religion or have any relevance to this discussion?
@arvinsubramaniam9223 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the responses. 4. Agreed the Chinese are taking a preuly communist approach to technology - this is not the Indian way. Please share any material/references if you have any on "appropriate technology", this is the first time I've heard of it. I'm only vaguely familiar with the work of Ashok Jhunjunwala in IITM in the 90s but not much else. 5. No personal attacks intended. We just have to be honsest about the detached nature of academia (and other institutions), otherwise we will keep working for the self-interest and get outraged whenever signs of the collective interest being unaddressed are voiced out. To the contrary, Dharmic values are very relevant, even in science. A lot of modern science conducted by the Americans have strongly Western values ingrained in the system, concretely (i) worship of the individual for the individual's sake (scientists gets on magazines, and gives TED talks talking about their latest startup, etc.), (ii) contract vs. relation based economics (progress purely determined by h-indices, etc.), (iii) A expansionist, homogenization of thought as its purpose (i.e academic work and culture at different institutions - pick any two that perform well in the rankings table - are more similar to each other than unique, and the ultimate goal is to ensure that American science and technology takes over the world. They don't say it explicitly, but they implicitly feel it in their soul). Dharmic values are a strong contrast on all these fronts, and needs a presence in out institutions.
@SubirSarkarOxford3 жыл бұрын
The 'appropriate' (or 'intermediate') technology movement was effectively started by Ernst Fritz Schumacher (1911-77) - a British economist who worked in Burma & India and was profoundly influenced by Gandhi's ideas about rural development/self-sufficiency, and Buddhist values. Nehru invited him in 1961 to advise the Planning Commission (www.unm.edu/~varma/print/BSTS_Schumacher.pdf) although it is not known how they responded.The manifesto was popularised in his 1973 book: "Small is beautiful: Economics as if people mattered" - which is arguably even more relevant today. His legacy lives on in the 'Intermediate Technology Development Group' he founded in 1969 (practicalaction.org/who-we-are/), and many other such groups around the world - even if his slogan 'Small is beautiful' was hijacked by global corporations: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/audio/2011/nov/09/big-ideas-podcast-schumacher-small-is-beautiful-audio
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@CBSScienceClub3 жыл бұрын
Contents of the Video : The entry of SARS-CoV-2 00:03:51 - The Exposure 00:29:55 - Virus starts affecting our cells 00:39:19 - Immunity 00:54:40 - Breathlessness Recognition and Response 01:01:10 - Specific recognition of SARS-CoV-2 01:15:46 - Self Destruction Questions on COVID-19 01:34:54 - Plasma therapy, loss of smell 01:57:40 - Comorbidity and COVID-19 “Medicines!” 02:08:16 - Exploitation of fear 02:23:51 - Remdesivir 02:38:50 - Ayurveda 02:54:43 - Homeopathy Questions on COVID-19 03:06:35 - Evolution of viruses 03:19:23 - BAMS Doctors 03:27:00 - Reinfection 03:33:12 - Independence of Thoughts Questions on COVID-19 03:58:20 - Eradication of Sars CoV-2 04:11:00 - Strong Immunity Policies for the Community 04:31:40 - The lockdown 04:36:11 - Re-opening schools 04:42:09 - On Vaccines 04:54:24 - The Curiosity
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@ronitgoswami33483 жыл бұрын
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@CBSScienceClub3 жыл бұрын
Hello Ronit! Students with either of the subjects are eligible to join the courses at both the institutes.
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I like Subir Sarkar but he’s dead wrong on this matter. I would ask the simple question. Since when is the public obliged to do anything that doesn’t benefit them directly? Is it the public’s job to make scientists happy by funding their personal playgrounds that more often than not amount to precisely nothing? You guys haven’t done jack didily in decades that’s amounted to more than the discovery of particle none of you can even explain. I wouldn’t sign off on a mop job for any you much less some million dollar wild goose chase.
Shame that there is no progress in Tamil nadu on it
So inspiring
"a campaign by a politician to generate fears about neutrinos amongst the local people" FEARS about NEUTRINOS? Wow -- talk about not understanding the science! You have more to fear from a shadow...
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Bhaia i am qualified for cebs mumbai ❤️ from biology background...! Is there any problem about maths bhaia....??
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Great to have the session chaired by Nagarajan Sir. Thanks
@Shri 's talk.. Astronomy or any science missions should really dissect the worthiness of an expedition in terms of the job creation and whether the science project really is a requirement of the society, when there are lacs of children dying out of hunger, many horrendous acts happening on the earth. May be a part of the scientific community should commit for bringing science ideas to the betterment of society and use the brainpower for that reason.
Just because it is not immediately useful for society doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. Some things are done for curiosity and knowledge.
Good morning 2all
WOW!! Glad to see this symposium. Lovely.
morning sir
Thank you. Abhijeet
Thank you sir
How does INO uniquely help INDIA per se? We are simply importing the globalist model of economics to science, and pretending that global big science collaborations with India involved will be beneficial to our culture long-term. It will highly likely not - the science will be conducted by Western rules, in non-Indian languages, the prestigious prizes will go to the Westerners (or the Indians who have moved abroad), and overall the Indian economy and culture will not benefit form this. Ambitious science projects, yes, but there needs to be an intelligent way of doing either (i) Unique science projects that have not been already conceived by others, and (ii) Integrating it to our deeper culture, in the sense of language and values. The important question to ask is: will the median family be talking about these projects at the dinner table in 20 yrs time? In Western countries - yes, in India, almost certainly no. This will be a great defeat and a huge waste of money and resources in the long term. The century long inferiority complex and cultural subjugation will only deepen
You refer to "our culture", "Western rules", "non-Indian languages" etc ... but the only `culture' here is modern science which is international in its outlook and whose rules are written by Nature - it is conducted in English simply because that has turned out to be the global language. Science is not a cultural construct and Nature is indifferent to who gets the prizes and who was overlooked. Perhaps the universal interest in science has less to do with 'the globalist model of economics' than with just "the pleasure of finding things out" as Feynman said? Moreover all of our lives are inexorably shaped by it. Science was indeed a key tool of colonial subjugation but can it not also provide the means to overcome the "century long inferiority complex and cultural subjugation" you refer to? You are right that there is a lot of unimaginative, copycat science - but should we not also look at the bold courageous science done by people like C.V. Raman and J.C. Bose? These people were not created by Govt. decree - surely we can hope that others will follow, if given the opportunity to become scientists. You typed your message on a phone or computer connected to the world-wide-web which was developed at CERN the international science laboratory to enable people from all over the world to engage and collaborate - has that not benefitted the "Indian economy and culture" along with others? Of course the priorities for national investment in science need to be carefully considered (it is after all the taxpayer's money) but how do you jump from that to concluding "This will be a great defeat and a huge waste of money and resources in the long term"? Being scientific requires being able to justify your assertions to your peers - not just engage in polemics.
@@SubirSarkarOxford 1. We need the analogue to JC Bose today, no doubt. It is less clear that this will arise from INO and similar projects. If academia is honest, we should admit that we are (i) blindly competing for h-indices and other metrics, and (ii) imposing a "prestige race" method of doing science (publish productively, rack up pretigious awards but fundamentally explain nothing) that has been the feature of Western science for the past ~50 yrs. We should at least be honest about this. Pretending that it is purely driven by the "pleasure of finding things out" is not going to help anyone. 2. See my comment below on non-uniqueness of technology. If you continue peddling misunderstandings about technology this will surely be a great defeat in the long-term.
Certainly agree with you that we need the likes of JC Bose today - but he was such an unique individual that the best we can do to make that happen is try to create an environment which encourages original thinking as well as enabling the development of technical skills. It has been amply demonstrated that high energy physics laboratories provide such an environment. Of course that is not the only option and strengthening university education (and research) is arguably even more important - see e.g. "Mega Science Versus Small Science: Remarks on Scientific Research in India" by Majumdar & Mukherjee (wwwops.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/114/05/0953.pdf). However that is easier said than done and decades of neglect of the universities will take more than a handful of premier institutions like IITs & IISERs to correct in the short term. Complementary steps like the setting up of national labs also help. Of course you are right that the majority of academia are caught in a rat race as you describe. Nevertheless progress *is* being made in science - it is driven by individuals who do it not for h-indices or awards but really because of the "pleasure of finding things out". JC Bose was one of them - as you know he abhorred the notion of making money out of wireless communication as Marconi did - that is why he is not as well-known for his work ... but that is also why you and I remember him. Should young scientists today not be given the opportunities he was denied?!
Sorry I cannot see your "comment below on non-uniqueness of technology".
@@arvinsubramaniam922 I've just seen your "worrying observations/comments" in `reply' to the pinned message at the top about the slides. Thanks - have replied to all of them there.
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Dear Sir (Prof Dr. Subir Sarkar), I am a great admirer of yours. I followed your talks on Dark Energy/ Cosmology etc. and landed up here on this talk, by coincidence. As a Tamil, it pains me how the state I come from, which prides itself being a generation ahead of rest of India in social justice, rationality, education and all indices of human development has let itself down, by handing its keys over to anarchists and insular politicians. If only BJP wasn't in power now, it would have made things easy. Throwing "baby with the bath tub" is something that comes easily to all in India, Tamils being no exception. There's severe distrust of anything BJP does. If someone says Government of India is building a Tidal Power Station in Gujarat coast and it's a sinister move to deflect waves in a way to erode Bay of Bengal coast on their side, these very politicians will bat no eyelid and start protest march. Such a shame that anti-Central government, anti-BJP distrust harvested over a long time has come to a state where it is hurting Tamilnadu's intellectual progress. The same VaiKo and other politicians who are against it travel far and wide (including Uncle Sam, where their progeny reaps the rewards being in a science driven, rational and private enterprise society) and yet put blinkers on when it comes to their own state. Also, VaiKo, Seeman et al keep batting the Sri Lankan Tamil cause; a good deal of SL Tamil diaspora live in Switzerland, the co-host of CERN. It is ironical that while their patrons live happily over-ground CERN and the LHC tunnels, these myopic leaders would not let even a smaller version of such scientific advancement happen on Tamil soil. There are just two simple rules for implementing anything, in Tamilnadu: 1) Prove beyond doubt that there are no Brahmins involved (especially, Tamil Brahmins); this may be easier to prove 2) There is no BJP involved, including being in power!; this will take time as BJP continues to be hold power Perhaps, an easier strategy to get Tamil politicians to support INO will be to plant stories in all Tamil vernacular press that Tamil Brahmins and BJP are secretly planning to shift valuable scientific advancement that was due for Tamilnadu away from the state and are taking it to Hindi heartland (UP) or Gujarat (where Modi hails from). There'll be a huge furore on "how dare they deny us our access to knowledge and growth" and come knocking at the doors of INO .
Thank you for your observations. You are quite right - this has become a stupid political game. What a pity it has come to this sorry mess ... in the democratic and open society which we we are justifiably proud of. Meanwhile in China the Jiangmen Underground Neutrino Observatory is being constructed (juno.ihep.cas.cn/). Good luck to them ... in the end what is discovered will belong to all. But what young Indians will miss out on is the opportunity to do cutting-edge science in our own country.
@@SubirSarkarOxford Where in India are you from?
I am a wheelchair student . Have the CEBS wheelchair environment 🙄 I mean roap & lift everywhere
To know such things file an RTI.
Sorry for getting back this late, but our institute is wheelchair accessible
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Slides available on: www-thphys.physics.ox.ac.uk/people/SubirSarkar/INO.pdf
Some worrying observations/comments: 1. 11:26 You are continuing a false dichotomy between fundamental research and real-world problems. There is no contradiction - they are separate activities and they should co-exist. Continuing speaking in these terms implies that there is a pot of money to be allocated for either one or the other. This is not - and has never - been the case. It puzzles me why the academy has been drowned in this ideology for decades and have not been able to think of the bigger picture. 2. 14:00 - 15:00 You very accurately mentioned our success pre-independece era, and the current challenges. But you have missed the key point of what has happened in between - scientists moving in the thousands to the West, and then coming back and lecturing us on how to do science in a way that does not benefit Indians (for e.g. the whole string theory fad that has wasted thousands of bright Indian minds). Now I am not sure events could have played out differently, given the nature of the economic disparity, but this calls for a deeper discussion on the relationshp between sciene and economics that the academy almost always fails to understand. 3. 1:17:00 India needs to compete with the best, but not on other people's terms in a way that will not benefit us. The correct way to think about it is "India as a model for the world" applied to science (note that this was the case historically), instead of competing blindly on superficial metrics such as publication rate, h-index, or number of patents (you didn't mention this explicitly but this is what I infer from the term "compete") 4. 1:27:45 You are missing the key point on technology, and are assuming that technological inventions are unique and singular. This is the globalist view of technology, and it needs to be disproved. You are dismissing the people who make the negative remark and failing to understand that they have been under decades long cultral subjugation driven by this technological gap. Gravity is not a cultural construct, yes, but the iPhone is. Ask any mechanical engineer about the differences between German and Japanese cars and they'll give you an hour long lecture on it. Technologies are vital, yes, but it is equally final that they are built by Indians for India in India with Indian money and brains. A lot of the core cultral and human aspects are glossed over if you simply assume we can import and consume things built by others. I sincerely hope the detached Indian academia can see the light on this and on how they've failed their people with public money. If interested, please look up (Padma Shri) Sridhar Vembu, he is seeking to hire talented Indians to build everything from semiconductor fabs, medical devices, and operating systems in India. Example: kzread.info/dash/bejne/e6R11MajoJXWe8Y.html 5. 1:40:30 The only reason this is "annoying" and "maddening" is because you are in an academic bubble. And after this you immediately suggest after that you want to carry the nation with you. At a human level, this is a very Western way of solving problems - live in an isolated bubble and then pretend that that strategy will unite the nation. The same ideology underpins how Harvard faculty pretends to care about inner city black people for two weeks during the riots, and how companies like Goldman Sachs run the CSR programs to "give back" to society. These are fundamentally non-Dharmic values in my opinion. I agree that the opposition to the IMO's may not have the best of intentions, but you should understand that they garner support by exploiting very basic facts about human psychology and economics that the detached academia fail to understand.
Thanks for your perceptive critique ... which I largely agree with. To respond to your points: 1. Indeed `pure' and `applied' research should co-exist and this false dichotomy dissolved. It does however require different kinds of abilities to do one or the other. 2. History is what happened. As you say it is not clear how "events could have played out differently, given the nature of the economic disparity". We can only ask how to go forward. 3. You missed the emphasis in my statement which was "... compete *on a level playing field*". 4. I was in fact talking about science - *not* about technology ... which indeed has a cultural component as you correctly observe. However "building in India" is not enough! E.g. in China I have seen chinese-made versions of the iPhone - while a lot cheaper they basically copy the original ... there is no *new* thinking there. Fifty years ago I was very fired up, along with many others (especially at the IIT where I was studying), by the notion of "appropriate technology" - this is I think what you are alluding to. Indeed this was suppressed by global capitalism. Thirty years ago when I was working for an NGO in Bhopal I learnt that having been conditioned from birth to become consumers, people generally prefer the latest, shiny stuff to technology which is optimally designed for their specific needs. Thanks for the pointer to Sridhar Vembu. Incidentally the MRI scanner he talks about evolved out of the work on nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) done by physicists like Peter Mansfield and Paul Lauterbur (who were awarded the 2003 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for their "discoveries concerning magnetic resonance imaging"). Supports my previous point doesn't it that breakthrough technologies often emerge from `pure' science research? The world-wide-web was not developed by a IT company but by physicists at CERN for the global community (Tim Berners-Lee did an undergrad degree in physics at Oxford). 5. As indicated above, I have in fact had experience of working outside the `academic bubble'. Anyway this discussion should not descend to making personal remarks - otherwise I would ask why you choose to refer to "Dharmic values" - as if such values (honesty, refraining from injuring living beings, purity, goodwill, mercy, patience, forbearance, self-restraint, generosity, and asceticism) are either unique to any religion or have any relevance to this discussion?
Thanks for the responses. 4. Agreed the Chinese are taking a preuly communist approach to technology - this is not the Indian way. Please share any material/references if you have any on "appropriate technology", this is the first time I've heard of it. I'm only vaguely familiar with the work of Ashok Jhunjunwala in IITM in the 90s but not much else. 5. No personal attacks intended. We just have to be honsest about the detached nature of academia (and other institutions), otherwise we will keep working for the self-interest and get outraged whenever signs of the collective interest being unaddressed are voiced out. To the contrary, Dharmic values are very relevant, even in science. A lot of modern science conducted by the Americans have strongly Western values ingrained in the system, concretely (i) worship of the individual for the individual's sake (scientists gets on magazines, and gives TED talks talking about their latest startup, etc.), (ii) contract vs. relation based economics (progress purely determined by h-indices, etc.), (iii) A expansionist, homogenization of thought as its purpose (i.e academic work and culture at different institutions - pick any two that perform well in the rankings table - are more similar to each other than unique, and the ultimate goal is to ensure that American science and technology takes over the world. They don't say it explicitly, but they implicitly feel it in their soul). Dharmic values are a strong contrast on all these fronts, and needs a presence in out institutions.
The 'appropriate' (or 'intermediate') technology movement was effectively started by Ernst Fritz Schumacher (1911-77) - a British economist who worked in Burma & India and was profoundly influenced by Gandhi's ideas about rural development/self-sufficiency, and Buddhist values. Nehru invited him in 1961 to advise the Planning Commission (www.unm.edu/~varma/print/BSTS_Schumacher.pdf) although it is not known how they responded.The manifesto was popularised in his 1973 book: "Small is beautiful: Economics as if people mattered" - which is arguably even more relevant today. His legacy lives on in the 'Intermediate Technology Development Group' he founded in 1969 (practicalaction.org/who-we-are/), and many other such groups around the world - even if his slogan 'Small is beautiful' was hijacked by global corporations: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/audio/2011/nov/09/big-ideas-podcast-schumacher-small-is-beautiful-audio
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Bhaiya please tell me that whether students having maths in 12 class are allowed in Niser and students having bio in class 12 are allowed in Cebs please please please reply
Hello Ronit! Students with either of the subjects are eligible to join the courses at both the institutes.
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