Hello JT, I'm an underwriter and I abandoned the idea of trying to write like a RH writer. My writing is back-slated, a more natural slant for LH writers. I've been writing prose with a back-slant for over 40 years. I was able to increase my writing speed, less stress on my hand and have a continuous writing flow. My LH teacher teacher at the time said, there are no rules saying you can't write with a back slant. The only problem with the back slant, is it doesn't translate too well writing out mathematics problems. I can also mirror-write, but that is not socially acceptable.
@meneerjansen00 Жыл бұрын
Can't get used to under- or overwriting. Only Parkers Quink and "porous" paper works for me. I'm getting a Waterman fountain pen in a few days. They say Waterman's ink is also quick drying.
@jeaninetungsten88652 жыл бұрын
You shouldn’t have to contort your wrist to get the pen to work. Fountain pens are made to be pulled, which is why they don’t work for lefties. When lefties write they push into the paper.
@kevinu.k.70423 жыл бұрын
This is KZread at it's worst. Some guy thinks he has a good idea, but hasn't taken the trouble to read anything on the subject before filming drivel. I am a leftie. Standard handwriting trainer pro advice is: Drop your elbow near to the side of your body, sit square to the desk and move the paper, also square, or squarish to the desk, to the left of your body in line with your fore arm. Everything is then in balance. This one thing has helped many left handers write better and it is not difficult to change. Sit square to your desk. Place the paper in front of you slightly to the left. This changed my writing for the better almost instantly. It does take a little getting used to. Pay attention to the chair height too. If the chair is too low you will struggle left handed or right. Do some finger stretching exercises too, and roll your shoulders a few times. Having relaxed muscles helps enormously in terms of getting a nice movement on the page. In this rather uninformed video check out '5:13' you have twisted yourself up and you are out of balance. You are reaching across your body to reach the paper you still have on your right!!! Adding writing in the way I describe means there is very much less 'pushing', but frankly a decent fountain pen should push as easily as it pulls. even righties 'push' on the upstrokes.
@edwardwhite24413 жыл бұрын
As a fellow sinistral I couldn't disagree with you more. As someone who was taught to write in the 1950's, the fact that some of us were left handed was never a big deal. We just got on with it. Overwriting as you call it might be popular in the USA, but, here in the UK I've never seen anyone write that way. And the idea of turning the paper sideways is absurd. I can only assume that the reason for writing in either of these bizarre ways is because as children these people weren't taught to write properly- left or right handed.
@bmorimmigrationvisaservice70883 жыл бұрын
thanks a lot for the demo..looks great
@channelsixtysix0663 жыл бұрын
"Lefties And Fountain Pens" ..... I gave up, never to use one again. The only real way for a left handed person to naturally use one, is to mirror-write as you drag the pen like it should be and not push it. I can do that, but ...... 🙄, since most of my hand writing is for mathematics, this really isn't suitable. I only use mechanical pencils, since they give me better control than anything else, because of the resistance. I'm an under-writer with reverse or back-slanted writing. I see no reason trying to write like a right handed person, who naturally writes with a forward slant, with characters designed for right handed people. Back-slanted writing, does go some way to simulating dragging the pen or pencil, rather than pushing it.
@xxdiamondskyxx25703 жыл бұрын
My 4th finger also supports the pen that i hold to write something
@johannfer70733 жыл бұрын
I'm a sidewriter :(
@channelsixtysix0663 жыл бұрын
I used to be. It was literally a pain. So I completely changed to underwriting with a BACK-SLANT. Other than natural mirror writing, a back-slant is the only correct way for a left handed person. We are trying to overcome 4 problems: 1. Eliminating pushing the pen as much as possible. 2. Achieving more speed and less stress on your hand. 3. Less smudging from having to write from left to right. 4. Minimising the difficulty forming characters designed for right handed people. I gave up trying to write with a forward slant, it pointless trying to be the same as writing right handed. Angle the paper with the top of the page to the right, then start writing down the page, following the ruled lines, keeping your hand under the line of your writing, allowing your hand to naturally form the letters with a back-slant. Adjust the angle of the paper to what is most comfortable, but it must always angle toward the right. It obviously feels weird at first, but you will soon get used to it and make writing more enjoyable and comfortable. Promise.
@phangirl993 жыл бұрын
I am a side-writer too!! Can’t write over nor under to save my life.
@channelsixtysix0663 жыл бұрын
@@phangirl99 Hello, Ma'am. I HAD to change my writing position. I was writing too slowly keep up with lectures in high school. My English teacher sent me to a woman she knew was left handed in the school administration staff. She got me to tilt the page angling to the right, so that it made me underwrite with a back-slant. There are no "rules" stating you can't have a back-slant. This is all about making it as easy as possible for us to write in an environment for right-handers. Try it, and yes, it will feel strange at first, but it will get better and feel more natural. 😊
@johannfer70733 жыл бұрын
@@channelsixtysix066 thanks for the tips , 👍
@channelsixtysix0663 жыл бұрын
@@johannfer7073 As a fellow left handed person, I'm glad to help. Cheers.
@Animerose3 жыл бұрын
omg thank you. thank you. I'm sitting here with my paper and pen just practicing and I'm finally getting the calligraphy postion for the first time since I started. I'm an underwriter and I didn't realize how much of a difference it made when I tried holding it over the line in the position you explained!! this is so helpful!!
@shashijain50843 жыл бұрын
Two US presidents are " lefties " ( Bill Clinton & Barack Obama ) !
@marnieholdsworthgreen84494 жыл бұрын
I started writing with my left hand the other day out of curiosity, and because I mimicked the position of my right hand, I’m an underwriter with my left hand. I found it really easy to get my left hand up to speed with my right - not sure why
@sajjadhusain41465 жыл бұрын
I have left-handed relatives, and only one of them I know is a fountain pen enthusiast like myself. And she has to write a lot. I think she is a leftie underwriter now, after struggling with fountain pens and writing the conventional way that most lefties do. This video ought to be much help and reassurance to lefties. I wish more of them would take to writing with fountain pens with confidence and joy. Btw, the main reason a right handed pen fanatic like me watched this video is because of the enticingly elegant Conid pen on show here. I couldn’t resist looking at it more before buying it soon.
@nexion24065 жыл бұрын
For me once you become an underwriter, using a pen left handed is so much easier.
@jeaninetungsten88652 жыл бұрын
This is REALLY BAD FOR YOU HAND! Angling your paper is more ergonomically for your hand wrist and shoulder
@videogames4821 Жыл бұрын
@@jeaninetungsten8865 How is it bad for your hand?
@jeaninetungsten8865 Жыл бұрын
@@videogames4821 writing in a contoured way isn't good for your wrist
@KL0055 жыл бұрын
You sound really cute!
@speedbird89875 жыл бұрын
In North America, students were taught to write cursive in school with a forward slant. This required left-handed children to adopt the overwriting position in order to achieve the desired forward slant in their handwriting. I started my education in England and had already started to write in cursive and adopted a more natural and comfortable underwriting habit which produces a backward slant. In England this was not an issue, but in Canada I was constantly given a hard time by teachers.
@channelsixtysix0663 жыл бұрын
At last, someone else who writes CORRECTLY !! Other than natural mirror writing, a back-slant is the only correct way for a left handed person.
@melkon1an6 жыл бұрын
Go lefties! (Not taking a political position)
@kellyfranca73555 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@HENNY2G6 жыл бұрын
Whats the name of the first fountain pen you used. I can't find it online using the name you provided.
@Hydra-ss2wg6 жыл бұрын
What about side writers
@kekw32687 жыл бұрын
actually,I don't get smears,what is wrong with me.LIKE I TRIED TO GET SMEARS BUT I ONLY GET A LITTLE INK,I EVEN TRIED A PENCIL BUT NO SMEAR MARKS.
@Blitterbug7 жыл бұрын
Dude, I get what you're saying about axes of wrist vs fingers, except that underwriters don't ever use the wrist - the pen should be controlled in both axes using small finger movements. I note that as an overwriter, your underwriting was almost as good as your overwriting, and as you don't naturally write this way, this pretty much proves it's actually the more natural method for lefties. With zero practice you made quite a neat sentence. Imagine how much nicer your writing would look if you had practiced at always underwriting instead!
@Tippel36 жыл бұрын
yes, actually I was a bit shocked as he said overwriting is the most common and the natural lefty way. Nearly all overwriters are just such because they were forced to write like this in school and it's the worst way for your wrists you can choose. It can cause serious joint problems that won't heal again. I'm glad that, at least here, it's forbidden for teachers to force lfetys in any way and if they help little leftys lern to write, they will teach them to angle the paper and the lefty will learn to sidewrite or underwrite. I'm 30yrs old and very lucky that my mom immediately stopped my teachers from forcing me to anything. I'm nearly the only one in my age and area that never had problems with writing, no matter with what pen or paper and without pain. It's so sad and I was shocked to hear such words from a lefty, even so he doesn't hold his hand so bad as many do And there's no problem with fountain pens, just broad ones can cause problems. Here every kid at the age of 7-8 has to write with fountain pen and blue ink in cursive in school for the next years. No matter if lefty or righty. No problems with it, but I know just a hand full of overwriters who actually turn their fountain pen upside down, because otherwise the ink doesn't flow
@apierson20117 жыл бұрын
I'm left-handed and just starting to get into fountain pens. I picked up a Pilot Varsity a couple of weeks ago just to see if I would like it and today I ordered a Lamy Safari and some Iroshizuku ink. There's not a whole lot of content out there in this niche community for lefties and I thought this video was one of the most informative I've seen. Thanks for making it and helping to reassure me that I don't have a whole lot to worry about :)
@Brad-xd2bt4 жыл бұрын
How are you liking the safari?
@emfancyy77364 жыл бұрын
Alex Pierson I’m left handed & an underwriter. I find that the twsbi eco’s work really well for me. I have 6 of them haha.
@mellingmichael7777 жыл бұрын
Let's be honest. When it comes to penmanship, us Lefties are basically cursed.:-(
@DieyenDualPen7 жыл бұрын
write in mirror image or upside down ;)
@jynclr5 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there. ;)
@AUXdrone3 жыл бұрын
We have our struggles but people have always complimented my penmanship.
@kevinu.k.70423 жыл бұрын
@@DieyenDualPen Yeah, and how are you going to manage that at work everyday! See my post above. That is the way a handwriting trainer would advise a leftie.
@diomedes397 жыл бұрын
You sound like someone well versed in mathematics.
@ziolan89703 жыл бұрын
Bear witnessed to the mighty grid paper
@MRGTR-947 жыл бұрын
As a lefty I suffer from smudging all the time. Thanks for the demonstrations.
@jamesjacocks62217 жыл бұрын
I think your Conid has the medium Ti nib and if so, it's pretty flexy, no? Also, for those whose pockets are as deep as their pen habit, Sailor makes an architect nib, actually three of 'em, and they can make a brush stroke is one orientation. For drawing, they are without equal in respect to line variation and using ink. It was a thrill to see your vid; I'm a lefty too. You covered quite well the geometry of writing for lefty and righty alike, neither easily nor often done. Loved your flex style.
@creativewatercolor8 жыл бұрын
Not a lefty but i did enjoy this.
@charlesearle84148 жыл бұрын
You have a bulkfiller. I am so envious....
@warunagomis8 жыл бұрын
thanks
@warunagomis8 жыл бұрын
Hi, Whats the first demonstrator pen you used?
@byjtseng81618 жыл бұрын
+Waruna Gomis It's a Conid Bulkfiller! The rest pens and inks are in the description
@sintia1798 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video! As a left handed underwriter I struggle with finding content as you mentioned. I'm jealous of that conid! Do you plan on making a video on the dip nib? Did it require any special adjustment? And who ground the Hebrew nib for you? Is it the nib that came with the jinchao? After watching this video I really really need one! So excited for future content if that is your plan, if not, thanks again!
@channelsixtysix0663 жыл бұрын
Ma'am, try this: Other than natural mirror writing, a back-slant is the only correct way for a left handed person. We are trying to overcome 4 problems: 1. Eliminating pushing the pen as much as possible. 2. Achieving more speed and less stress on your hand. 3. Less smudging from having to write from left to right. 4. Minimising the difficulty forming characters designed for right handed people. I gave up trying to write with a forward slant, it pointless trying to be the same as writing right handed. Angle the paper with the top of the page to the right, then start writing down the page, following the ruled lines, keeping your hand under the line of your writing, allowing your hand to naturally form the letters with a back-slant. Adjust the angle of the paper to what is most comfortable, but it must always angle toward the right. It obviously feels weird at first, but you will soon get used to it and make writing more enjoyable and comfortable. Promise.
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Hello JT, I'm an underwriter and I abandoned the idea of trying to write like a RH writer. My writing is back-slated, a more natural slant for LH writers. I've been writing prose with a back-slant for over 40 years. I was able to increase my writing speed, less stress on my hand and have a continuous writing flow. My LH teacher teacher at the time said, there are no rules saying you can't write with a back slant. The only problem with the back slant, is it doesn't translate too well writing out mathematics problems. I can also mirror-write, but that is not socially acceptable.
Can't get used to under- or overwriting. Only Parkers Quink and "porous" paper works for me. I'm getting a Waterman fountain pen in a few days. They say Waterman's ink is also quick drying.
You shouldn’t have to contort your wrist to get the pen to work. Fountain pens are made to be pulled, which is why they don’t work for lefties. When lefties write they push into the paper.
This is KZread at it's worst. Some guy thinks he has a good idea, but hasn't taken the trouble to read anything on the subject before filming drivel. I am a leftie. Standard handwriting trainer pro advice is: Drop your elbow near to the side of your body, sit square to the desk and move the paper, also square, or squarish to the desk, to the left of your body in line with your fore arm. Everything is then in balance. This one thing has helped many left handers write better and it is not difficult to change. Sit square to your desk. Place the paper in front of you slightly to the left. This changed my writing for the better almost instantly. It does take a little getting used to. Pay attention to the chair height too. If the chair is too low you will struggle left handed or right. Do some finger stretching exercises too, and roll your shoulders a few times. Having relaxed muscles helps enormously in terms of getting a nice movement on the page. In this rather uninformed video check out '5:13' you have twisted yourself up and you are out of balance. You are reaching across your body to reach the paper you still have on your right!!! Adding writing in the way I describe means there is very much less 'pushing', but frankly a decent fountain pen should push as easily as it pulls. even righties 'push' on the upstrokes.
As a fellow sinistral I couldn't disagree with you more. As someone who was taught to write in the 1950's, the fact that some of us were left handed was never a big deal. We just got on with it. Overwriting as you call it might be popular in the USA, but, here in the UK I've never seen anyone write that way. And the idea of turning the paper sideways is absurd. I can only assume that the reason for writing in either of these bizarre ways is because as children these people weren't taught to write properly- left or right handed.
thanks a lot for the demo..looks great
"Lefties And Fountain Pens" ..... I gave up, never to use one again. The only real way for a left handed person to naturally use one, is to mirror-write as you drag the pen like it should be and not push it. I can do that, but ...... 🙄, since most of my hand writing is for mathematics, this really isn't suitable. I only use mechanical pencils, since they give me better control than anything else, because of the resistance. I'm an under-writer with reverse or back-slanted writing. I see no reason trying to write like a right handed person, who naturally writes with a forward slant, with characters designed for right handed people. Back-slanted writing, does go some way to simulating dragging the pen or pencil, rather than pushing it.
My 4th finger also supports the pen that i hold to write something
I'm a sidewriter :(
I used to be. It was literally a pain. So I completely changed to underwriting with a BACK-SLANT. Other than natural mirror writing, a back-slant is the only correct way for a left handed person. We are trying to overcome 4 problems: 1. Eliminating pushing the pen as much as possible. 2. Achieving more speed and less stress on your hand. 3. Less smudging from having to write from left to right. 4. Minimising the difficulty forming characters designed for right handed people. I gave up trying to write with a forward slant, it pointless trying to be the same as writing right handed. Angle the paper with the top of the page to the right, then start writing down the page, following the ruled lines, keeping your hand under the line of your writing, allowing your hand to naturally form the letters with a back-slant. Adjust the angle of the paper to what is most comfortable, but it must always angle toward the right. It obviously feels weird at first, but you will soon get used to it and make writing more enjoyable and comfortable. Promise.
I am a side-writer too!! Can’t write over nor under to save my life.
@@phangirl99 Hello, Ma'am. I HAD to change my writing position. I was writing too slowly keep up with lectures in high school. My English teacher sent me to a woman she knew was left handed in the school administration staff. She got me to tilt the page angling to the right, so that it made me underwrite with a back-slant. There are no "rules" stating you can't have a back-slant. This is all about making it as easy as possible for us to write in an environment for right-handers. Try it, and yes, it will feel strange at first, but it will get better and feel more natural. 😊
@@channelsixtysix066 thanks for the tips , 👍
@@johannfer7073 As a fellow left handed person, I'm glad to help. Cheers.
omg thank you. thank you. I'm sitting here with my paper and pen just practicing and I'm finally getting the calligraphy postion for the first time since I started. I'm an underwriter and I didn't realize how much of a difference it made when I tried holding it over the line in the position you explained!! this is so helpful!!
Two US presidents are " lefties " ( Bill Clinton & Barack Obama ) !
I started writing with my left hand the other day out of curiosity, and because I mimicked the position of my right hand, I’m an underwriter with my left hand. I found it really easy to get my left hand up to speed with my right - not sure why
I have left-handed relatives, and only one of them I know is a fountain pen enthusiast like myself. And she has to write a lot. I think she is a leftie underwriter now, after struggling with fountain pens and writing the conventional way that most lefties do. This video ought to be much help and reassurance to lefties. I wish more of them would take to writing with fountain pens with confidence and joy. Btw, the main reason a right handed pen fanatic like me watched this video is because of the enticingly elegant Conid pen on show here. I couldn’t resist looking at it more before buying it soon.
For me once you become an underwriter, using a pen left handed is so much easier.
This is REALLY BAD FOR YOU HAND! Angling your paper is more ergonomically for your hand wrist and shoulder
@@jeaninetungsten8865 How is it bad for your hand?
@@videogames4821 writing in a contoured way isn't good for your wrist
You sound really cute!
In North America, students were taught to write cursive in school with a forward slant. This required left-handed children to adopt the overwriting position in order to achieve the desired forward slant in their handwriting. I started my education in England and had already started to write in cursive and adopted a more natural and comfortable underwriting habit which produces a backward slant. In England this was not an issue, but in Canada I was constantly given a hard time by teachers.
At last, someone else who writes CORRECTLY !! Other than natural mirror writing, a back-slant is the only correct way for a left handed person.
Go lefties! (Not taking a political position)
😂😂
Whats the name of the first fountain pen you used. I can't find it online using the name you provided.
What about side writers
actually,I don't get smears,what is wrong with me.LIKE I TRIED TO GET SMEARS BUT I ONLY GET A LITTLE INK,I EVEN TRIED A PENCIL BUT NO SMEAR MARKS.
Dude, I get what you're saying about axes of wrist vs fingers, except that underwriters don't ever use the wrist - the pen should be controlled in both axes using small finger movements. I note that as an overwriter, your underwriting was almost as good as your overwriting, and as you don't naturally write this way, this pretty much proves it's actually the more natural method for lefties. With zero practice you made quite a neat sentence. Imagine how much nicer your writing would look if you had practiced at always underwriting instead!
yes, actually I was a bit shocked as he said overwriting is the most common and the natural lefty way. Nearly all overwriters are just such because they were forced to write like this in school and it's the worst way for your wrists you can choose. It can cause serious joint problems that won't heal again. I'm glad that, at least here, it's forbidden for teachers to force lfetys in any way and if they help little leftys lern to write, they will teach them to angle the paper and the lefty will learn to sidewrite or underwrite. I'm 30yrs old and very lucky that my mom immediately stopped my teachers from forcing me to anything. I'm nearly the only one in my age and area that never had problems with writing, no matter with what pen or paper and without pain. It's so sad and I was shocked to hear such words from a lefty, even so he doesn't hold his hand so bad as many do And there's no problem with fountain pens, just broad ones can cause problems. Here every kid at the age of 7-8 has to write with fountain pen and blue ink in cursive in school for the next years. No matter if lefty or righty. No problems with it, but I know just a hand full of overwriters who actually turn their fountain pen upside down, because otherwise the ink doesn't flow
I'm left-handed and just starting to get into fountain pens. I picked up a Pilot Varsity a couple of weeks ago just to see if I would like it and today I ordered a Lamy Safari and some Iroshizuku ink. There's not a whole lot of content out there in this niche community for lefties and I thought this video was one of the most informative I've seen. Thanks for making it and helping to reassure me that I don't have a whole lot to worry about :)
How are you liking the safari?
Alex Pierson I’m left handed & an underwriter. I find that the twsbi eco’s work really well for me. I have 6 of them haha.
Let's be honest. When it comes to penmanship, us Lefties are basically cursed.:-(
write in mirror image or upside down ;)
I see what you did there. ;)
We have our struggles but people have always complimented my penmanship.
@@DieyenDualPen Yeah, and how are you going to manage that at work everyday! See my post above. That is the way a handwriting trainer would advise a leftie.
You sound like someone well versed in mathematics.
Bear witnessed to the mighty grid paper
As a lefty I suffer from smudging all the time. Thanks for the demonstrations.
I think your Conid has the medium Ti nib and if so, it's pretty flexy, no? Also, for those whose pockets are as deep as their pen habit, Sailor makes an architect nib, actually three of 'em, and they can make a brush stroke is one orientation. For drawing, they are without equal in respect to line variation and using ink. It was a thrill to see your vid; I'm a lefty too. You covered quite well the geometry of writing for lefty and righty alike, neither easily nor often done. Loved your flex style.
Not a lefty but i did enjoy this.
You have a bulkfiller. I am so envious....
thanks
Hi, Whats the first demonstrator pen you used?
+Waruna Gomis It's a Conid Bulkfiller! The rest pens and inks are in the description
Thank you so much for this video! As a left handed underwriter I struggle with finding content as you mentioned. I'm jealous of that conid! Do you plan on making a video on the dip nib? Did it require any special adjustment? And who ground the Hebrew nib for you? Is it the nib that came with the jinchao? After watching this video I really really need one! So excited for future content if that is your plan, if not, thanks again!
Ma'am, try this: Other than natural mirror writing, a back-slant is the only correct way for a left handed person. We are trying to overcome 4 problems: 1. Eliminating pushing the pen as much as possible. 2. Achieving more speed and less stress on your hand. 3. Less smudging from having to write from left to right. 4. Minimising the difficulty forming characters designed for right handed people. I gave up trying to write with a forward slant, it pointless trying to be the same as writing right handed. Angle the paper with the top of the page to the right, then start writing down the page, following the ruled lines, keeping your hand under the line of your writing, allowing your hand to naturally form the letters with a back-slant. Adjust the angle of the paper to what is most comfortable, but it must always angle toward the right. It obviously feels weird at first, but you will soon get used to it and make writing more enjoyable and comfortable. Promise.
Great pens.