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  @rebeccalouisewillsonКүн бұрын

  I love writing transcriptions and enjoy trying to get them as accurate as possible but they are only ever part of the process because the notation can never accurately represent the correct feel and the nuances of phrasing and style. The process of writing it down slows me down and then allows my memory to be free of remembering the notes so I can focus my ear on all the other details. The notation also acts as a short cut to revisiting the transcription if I haven’t played it in a while. I don’t like using other people’s transcribed notation because that misses out the vital stage of you getting to know the solo and means the end result will never be as good.

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  @MattHolborn12 сағат бұрын

  Yes, I think your feelings, preference and process are quite common and are a totally valid way of doing things. I think the common narrative that you should go straight from classical into only working by ear and memory is unrealistic and doesn’t take into account how everyone’s brains work differently.

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  @n.a.4337Күн бұрын

  Instead of the word "transcription", musicians in Japan call it 耳コピ (mimi-kopi), in English "Ear Copy". Yes, I took the word "transcription" literally and was writing down solos. It didn't help me as a musician. But it did make me a better listener.

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  @blow-by-blowtrumpetКүн бұрын

  Always nice to be validated. I've never written a transcription out - it seems antithetical to everything I'm trying to do. I think that to learn it properly by ear you have to listen so many more times (once you've written it out you can just look at it) that at the end of the process it's impossible to ever forget because you can literally sing it. I do forget the fingerings / key / chords etc but relearning is much faster and deeper the second time and often I recreate it in a different key by ear. Also, everything looks harder on paper!

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  @MattHolbornКүн бұрын

  This is very similar to me actually. However Iv realised over time that for some violinists who have come straight from a long life of reading and learning from the page that my way might not fit for them.

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  @madhabfrКүн бұрын

  He said in a reply under the video that they wanted to essentially recreate the recording because they really loved it? something along those lines. He replied this under a comment criticizing on this very point lmao, the fact that they're just using a transcription. In that why I dont think it was ever intended to be a true attempt at jazz.

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  @sobrikeyКүн бұрын

  Thanks for this , it's definitely Romanian !

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  @zmarwoo83442 күн бұрын

  👍👍great!

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  @zmarwoo83442 күн бұрын

  specially the give up at the end😂can relate

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  @zmarwoo83442 күн бұрын

  haha love it🎉

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  @darionmcoronado3 күн бұрын

  Brilliant. 👏🏽

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  @gustavoterreros6404 күн бұрын

  Pásenme la De Odesha Bulgarish Bebacasha.

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  @bgates11284 күн бұрын

  There is mprov in the classical tradition. It's called cadenzas. A composer realizes a gifted soloist might have a different interpretation, and adds a section where the orchestra drops out a it's now only the soloist and the theme. Agustín has great cadenzas. He has also played famous transcribed cadenzas. At times a gifted soloist might scribe and play from their own cadenza. That would be slow motion improv?

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  @madhabfrКүн бұрын

  cadenzas arent improv anymore lmao. they are all written down and practiced.

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  @TadejBenedik5 күн бұрын

  i dissagree. Augustin is for me the best classical violinist and also his jazz is much better than other performanses that i listened on yt He is the king of violin(jazz or classic doesnt metter)also i rally wanna see your playing of jazz, if its good then talk

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  @MattHolborn5 күн бұрын

  Sure these are just my opinions on the recording coming from a jazz musicians perspective.

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  @conradgittins44766 күн бұрын

  I think Menuhin's sound in the live performance has more to do with the recording methods.

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  @MattHolborn5 күн бұрын

  Yeah that makes sense for sure. I would still say that his tone isn’t it’s usual self here regardless of the recording quality. There are moments his tone shines through the compression which tells me that at other points he just light not be comfortable in the ensemble.

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  @Gigadenza7 күн бұрын

  Don't know the details of the original broadcast but many TV recordings made of classical musicians performing on "mainstream" entertainment programs, be they chat shows, award ceremonies or, "live" music festivals employ extremely crude forms of dynamic compression that are calibrated to attenuate the loud signals and amplify the quiet ones to the extent that the viewer/listener perceived the audio to be exactly the same volume throughout - this process can have a severe impact on the instrument's timbre and can for example, completely wreck the rich resonance of an acoustic violin or make Concert Steinway's full bodied tone sound like the tinny piano sample on a Casio synthesiser! The issue doesn't seem especially manifest in this video, though it might still go some way to explaining why this particular performance doesn't embody quite the virtuosity or finesse that one might expect.

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  @MattHolborn5 күн бұрын

  Good insights about the compression. As I mentioned one of the other comment threads, I do feel there are good and bad moments for his tone throughout this performance. Not much consistency and I reckon it’s because he wasn’t comfortable playing with the ensemble and was searching for the best way to do so.

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  @MarkSeale8 күн бұрын

  We need a chord chart for Dave's rhythm. Simply fantastic voicings and groove.

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  @MichaelFan8 күн бұрын

  Most of the arrangements of the Menuhin/Grappelli albums were written by Max Harris. This is not one of his best efforts. Jalousie was originally a light classical instrumental, like Monti's Czardas. Like the Czardas, it starts with a free gypsy style intro (lassú), but instead of going into a fast section (friss), goes into a tango. It sounds like they are playing over the changes of the tango. Menuhin had physical issues relatively early in his career. He's not helping things here by playing with the sort of big sound you need to play a concerto with orchestra.

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  @MattHolborn8 күн бұрын

  Great insights! Thanks!

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  @migmig94068 күн бұрын

  Love these reactions!thx

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  @MattHolborn8 күн бұрын

  Thank you! Let me know if you have any ideas for who I can react to next?

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  @migmig94067 күн бұрын

  @MattHolborn i can think of bunch, like famous recording of j'attendrai or something from stuff smith where the "feel" is there, rome sessions are also good :) even though there is no visuals

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  @rogerspianocat8 күн бұрын

  Jealousy is a Frankie Laine song, like you say, it wasn't jazz 😉

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  @MattHolborn8 күн бұрын

  Yeah I think I just worked out that they play over the changes of Tea For Two in solo section however.

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  @ChristiaanvanHemert8 күн бұрын

  17:40 You're talking about that time we played "Lady Be Good" in London together? Not cool bro 😢

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  @MattHolborn8 күн бұрын

  Is that when we both played a B natural on the C7 at the exact same time and locked eyes?

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  @ChristiaanvanHemert8 күн бұрын

  @@MattHolborn C7? I thought the tune was in Gmajor pentatonic no?

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  @blow-by-blowtrumpet8 күн бұрын

  @@MattHolborn Oh man I did that exact thing at a session a couple of weeks ago. I stopped and pulled a face before continuing too so if anyone hadn't noticed they did then.

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  @shobarsch5 күн бұрын

  For us violinists, every tune is in Gmajor pentatonic

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  @caoyitang11 күн бұрын

  Awesome, very useful

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  @johnrothfield612620 күн бұрын

  Thanks

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  @timguitar20 күн бұрын

  I enjoyed watching this Matt, thanks!

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  @SKarlaArt21 күн бұрын

  Yeah Everything is a dichotomy😢😅

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  @martinmulvany115721 күн бұрын

  It doesn’t swing the same.

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  @andyharpist293822 күн бұрын

  Reading jazz is a contradiction. I left at this point. In fact, reading any performance loses 90% of the music to me.

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  @krumpelschtiltzkeen22 күн бұрын

  They're both stiff as a board. It hurts.

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  @xidena16623 күн бұрын

  I don’t think he did a terrible job considering he’s classically trained! I’m classically trained and now learning jazz violin-I’m like 0.01% making progress 😂 it’s something though, it’s a WHOLE different ball park. I’m certain if he had the proper training, he can definitely learn to be good; it’s as someone told me, it’s learning a whole different language since you’re learning a new skill. Yes, while you’re classically trained, you already have certain skills you can use, but you’re learning different things. Unfortunately his rhythm is all over the place so it’s hard to count even where 1 is (that’s just me), and his bowing is very classical (swing doesn’t use that much). A lot of classical musicians just need the proper training for jazz violin. 😅 I feel like even Ithzak Perlman would be fantastic at it. Even Menuhin struggled with improvisation-he was an amazing violinist. It’s a shame that classical violinists these days aren’t taught much of improvisation.

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  @conradgittins447623 күн бұрын

  I wouldn't bag their efforts at all. Something that isn't said, is that in jazz you will sound like you and no one else. It is music that comes from within and it is as individual as personality. Augustin doesn't swing like Stephan Grappelli and neither does anyone else. Augustin has classical precision and articulation and Stephan has jazz articulation (which is incredible). If you listen to Grappelli play Bach, he can't quite stop his swing articulation. I doubt that Augustin and Mak were reading btw. Both have phenomenal memory and were probably just watching the screen as it looks like an online collaboration.

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  @kathilisi301924 күн бұрын

  I have a CD of a collaboration of Grappelli and Menuhin, and saw a behind-the-scenes interview of the recording, there was so much mutual respect and admiration between two musicians with very different backgrounds and styles. Menuhin's contribution probably made the music a lot less "jazzy" but it was still a really interesting and beautiful combination.

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  @andyharpist293822 күн бұрын

  I always found Menuhins struggle to make impromptu jazz cringey. I felt the adulation of the public spoke much about the level of them too.

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  @kathilisi301922 күн бұрын

  @@andyharpist2938 hmm... Maybe it's because I saw the interview first that I enjoyed it. Menuhin seemed genuinely humble and insecure, and felt very much out of his comfort zone, and was genuinely awed by Grappelli's musicality and skill. After listening to the interview, the "cringey" elements seemed kind of adorable to me.

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  @andyharpist293822 күн бұрын

  @@kathilisi3019 Ahhhh! So you were in love with him?! :-)

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  @kathilisi301922 күн бұрын

  @@andyharpist2938 his personality more than his violin playing, really. He had some beautiful recordings, but a lot of the time he seemed to be struggling, either with the music or with himself, and then it sometimes sounded strained. But when he was in good form, his tone was beautiful.

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  @joeltay521324 күн бұрын

  So whats the point?

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  @nikkypriotis458224 күн бұрын

  I understand that we are giving postive and negative feedback for this video but I still feel like it comes across as overly gatekeepy. There is definitely a lot you learn in knowing a solo by heart and not needing sheet music but saying that there is “no point in doing it while reading” is forgetting that the players are just trying to have fun experimenting in a new style, not necessarily trying to “ build chops”. Along with you saying that they “should have put more work in before putting out this video” i hope that this reaction video does not discourage anyone from getting into jazz by doing it the “wrong” way. As a jazz musician it makes me happy that people are even trying out style and I think we should be more welcoming if we want to continue to attract more people to it. Sorry for the long comment

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  @vetzrah443724 күн бұрын

  im so confused

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  @OttoKuus24 күн бұрын

  Cope + shit tone + out of tune

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  @mbradley568324 күн бұрын

  A classical violinist who loves Augustine, this is a take I can respect. As someone who loves jazz, it is kind of cringe when I see classical musicians try to “do jazz”- as much as I can respect great classical virtuosos trying to “branch out” but I can greatly appreciate the honest critique from a real jazz violinist- as someone who listens to more jazz than classical music these days, this was a very interesting take, and I’m sorry for all the pretentious criticism of people who don’t know wtf they’re talking about and just want to defend our king, because truthfully in the classical world, he’s probably the best right now, (Hilary Hahn maybe close second, and technically speaking James Ehnes as well, but god damn Augustine just has that soul in his sound) still doesn’t make him a competent jazz interpreter though😅

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  @marcvilleneuve188925 күн бұрын

  Absolutely useless post.

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  @MattHolborn24 күн бұрын

  Thanks!

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  @franklee155025 күн бұрын

  2 ladies are walking down the street and as they pass by a park they see a frog sitting in the grass looking up at them. Suddenly the frog hops over, looks up and says,”How’re you doing ladies?” They are both amazed. Then the frog says,”If one of you will kiss me I will turn into the world’s greatest jazz violinist.” One lady bends down, scoops up the frog and drops him into her rather large purse. The other lady says,”Aren’t you going to kiss him?” She says,”Are you kidding? I can make a hell of a lot more money with a talking frog.”

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  @MattHolborn24 күн бұрын

  You could make a hell of a lot more money with a regular frog that’s doesn’t talk!

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  @franklee155025 күн бұрын

  2 ladies are walking down the street and as they pass by a park they see a frog sitting in the grass looking up at them. Suddenly the frog hops over, looks up and says,”How’re you doing ladies?” They are both amazed. Then the frog says,”If one of you will kiss me I will turn into the world’s greatest jazz violinist.” One lady bends down, scoops up the frog and drops him into her rather large purse. The other lady says,”Aren’t you going to kiss him?” She says,”Are you kidding? I can make much more money with a talking frog.”

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  @sogehtdasnicht25 күн бұрын

  Not bad for a classical violinist. I've heard significantly worse jazz from classical violinists.

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  @MattHolborn24 күн бұрын

  Yeah I agree, some of it is alright!

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  @xidena16623 күн бұрын

  @@MattHolbornI watched Twoset’s video of them playing jazz, that was uh…something 😂 Ya know, at least they tried. E for effort lol

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  @togoth125 күн бұрын

  Plenty of jazz guitarists play finger style.. I find that a weird criticism. Your right about the flaccid swing feel they have though

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  @sogehtdasnicht25 күн бұрын

  but the nylon strings sound weird in this context

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  @johnrothfield612626 күн бұрын

  Excellent!!!

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  @MichaelFan26 күн бұрын

  I would be interested in your reaction to Harry Lookofsky, who was a classical violinist who recorded an album, Stringsville, with written out solos. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ppqu3LWJn5ubhJc.html

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  @MattHolborn26 күн бұрын

  I actually would love to a video on this. Iv heard it a lot before so couldn’t do “blind react” so to speak, but you really might have just sparked an idea for a video analysis on it. ( I love this recording and it could actually be a good counter argument for some of my points in this video)

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  @MichaelFan25 күн бұрын

  When I first heard Lookofsky, I was excited to find a violinist who could speak bebop but was disappointed to find that he was not improvising. It’s still a great album.

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  @mattdahm428926 күн бұрын

  How come jazz players don’t need to play in tune- or all the notes on the fiddle? I’m sure he could do better but jeez- criticizing him for playing octaves? I’m assuming jazz players don’t play in octaves because it’s too hard, not because it can’t be integrated into a jazz style

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  @MattHolborn26 күн бұрын

  Jazz players don’t need to play in tune because tuning is actually a social construct. Also jazz players don’t need to play all the notes because jazz only has 10 notes in it…. Joking aside, I’m criticising him for not really playing within the style of jazz. I’d say it’s a fair point but I realise it might come across as a bit mean.

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  @mattdahm428926 күн бұрын

  @@MattHolborn totally- I just think he should get credit for all the musical elements that overlap between good violin playing and jazz violin playing- like pitch, rhythm (like not needing a drummer to keep the beat), articulation, sound quality, projection, general facility, dynamic range and the like. Plus he had the courage to try something new. I don’t hear about any jazz greats taking on classical European violin pieces, ever

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  @MattHolborn26 күн бұрын

  @@mattdahm4289 ok yeah, I did try to give him some credit but perhaps I could have given more.

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  @dwm115623 күн бұрын

  ⁠No, you won’t hear that for the same reason - any musician trying to play outside their expertise will not sound authentic without unlearning and relearning habits and techniques and lots and lots of practice!

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  @blow-by-blowtrumpet26 күн бұрын

  100% agree. Impressive technique but wierd stabby swing feel. I've played in traditional British brass bands and it felt exactly the same when we did any swing pieces. They are thinking metrically rather than listening and feeling.

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  @MattHolborn26 күн бұрын

  Interesting! It’s a funny feel, a classical musician trying to swing!

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  @nickphipp194927 күн бұрын

  The last head, he appears to be playing semiquaver swing, rather than triplet swing. This really grates against the triplet swing the guitsrist is playing.

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  @MattHolborn27 күн бұрын

  Yeah but I guess they both recorded separately, someone wasn’t listening to the other anyway

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  @oxoelfoxo27 күн бұрын

  no one's gonna say you're out of tune: you're playing jazz!

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  @oxoelfoxo27 күн бұрын

  can't do all that jazz improv if you're recording from separate locations and stitching a video together y'know

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  @MattHolborn27 күн бұрын

  True!

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  @migmig940623 күн бұрын

  Which impov? It's a transcription, and there are core problems with their swing feel, and guitar simply doesn't support violin solo, he should have listened to violin. Anyway hard to be a fan of Augustin and see this reaction but Matt nailed it. I was going crazy when i read comments in the original video about how great his interpretation is...

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  @westcommonroom973727 күн бұрын

  It's definitely Steph's solo but the guy can't swing - you're too kind. As Steph once said about Menuhin after their first meeting "three bars into Lady Be Good who's the maestro now?" In return Menuhin said he'd love to able to improvise but it just wasn't given to him. He should listen to Florin Niculescu to see how it's done.

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  @MattHolborn27 күн бұрын

  Yeah, I reckon if he put in the hours he could 100% get all the ins outs of it.

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  @fiddlestix302527 күн бұрын

  It’s tough, being the one on the tube which dares to take apart and criticize someone like Augustin Hadelich…. I’m a huge fan of both Augustin and Grapelli, and am sure glad that I’m not the one comparing them to each other 😉 Saw Grapelli live twice, and nothing compares to the man….. (here I go ;) He simply was mindblowing. His charm, wit, mental mobility and flexibility on the violin, paired with amazing technique, a razor sharp mind and endless creativity, left you completely gobsmacked. And the ease with which he did his thing…! Truly a life filled to the brim with jazz, and you could tell by his personality, the way he addressed the audience, -always with humour and a twinkle in his eye. Us classically trained violinists are like poor, cagebound birds, compared to a real jazz player. Wings clipped, terrified of almost everything, lest we make ‘a mistake’…. At least that’s what I get from myself and a lot of other classically trained violinists. Augustin dipped his toes into jazz (he’s played some other semi-jazzy, bluesy things too), and I like the charm and sweetness he has in playing this piece. Quite inventive and interesting too. But yeah, like so many genres, jazz is a complete universe unto itself, and you’d better be prepared for a long, long journey…. Grapelli had an extraordinary life. All of it infused his playing, and I feel NO ONE can ever compare to him. But classical players have tried their hand at jazz, through the ages, and they probably have their fans. Plus they’re getting a taste of just how different as a person you have to become, think and feel, to be a good jazz musician. My two cents only ☺️

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  @MattHolborn27 күн бұрын

  Interesting insights! To be clear though, I really am not comparing them as musicians, nor am I comparing the artistry, dedication and love that goes into either art forms. They are both different beasts and I think each style has its own version of creativity that is integral to mastering it. However my main point with this video is that I feel like reading a transcription of a jazz solo for a video is entirely missing the point of jazz and the work that goes into it and if either musician had followed the path of transcribing the music themselves, they could have really gotten into what make the music great, at the same time as seeing what it takes to learn jazz. This can serve as a lesson for any classical musician learning jazz that even the greats of classical music cannot get Jazz JUST by reading it.

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  @fiddlestix302526 күн бұрын

  @@MattHolborn I think I got that, Matt, most of all your respect for both art forms. I think I got it all. It’s just hard to put things in words adequately, and do everything and everyone justice-. Thanks for taking the time to reply ☺️

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  @MattHolborn26 күн бұрын

  Agree!

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  @xidena16623 күн бұрын

  Ah yeah, that’s my biggest issue with classical music. High intense level of technique, also amazing, but too much standards.

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  @MattLeGroulx27 күн бұрын

  The rhythm... oof.

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  @MattHolborn27 күн бұрын

  Yeah that’s really it!

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  @user-ih7gc7dt9l27 күн бұрын

  If only the video was in sync!

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  @MattHolborn27 күн бұрын

  If only!