@Marcos-un2bw I enjoy it, can be swingy though. I've house rules that when heroes steal the treasure the negative doesnt occur. As the negative can range from nothing happening to the heroes getting several turns in a row. Since ignoring it the games have been better. The game has plenty of challenge without the mechanic anyway. The asymmetry in the monsters is pretty fun. An overall simple, co-op game (that I prefer to keep at solo)
@jamesmorgan19676 сағат бұрын
What an original topic. Just subbed!
@TheRASDEL8322 сағат бұрын
Very good list. I would add Tiny Epic Dungeons for Miniatures and Sea, Salt & Paper for card drafting
@Diceonahill17 сағат бұрын
@@TheRASDEL83 cool, I'll have to check those ones out!
@glennwilson304523 сағат бұрын
You made some excellent points here. I’ve never bothered with kickstarter, and where I live in the Canary Islands, many retailers will not ship here, plus it’s quite expensive if you do, so virtually all my games have been bought in local shops. This has meant many games are not available, as they don’t make it here, so the wishlist want is reduced. Nevertheless, I’m at the stage where I have enough games (a few unplayed) but the point you made about not purchasing similar playing-style games is something I ask myself constantly now, and this has stopped me buying games just because they are new. Also, the space the games are taking up is now reaching capacity, more than a single Kallax. As I only play the board games with my wife, I’ve tried to purchase more two-player specific games, as it reduces the cost a lot, I’m not having to pay for cardboard I’m never going to use! As all my games are in Spanish, my choice is limited if the game is heavily language dependent. However, there are so many games. Again, thanks for the advice and good luck with your channel. Cheers Glenn
@Diceonahill23 сағат бұрын
@glennwilson3045 Hey, thanks for sharing man! :D
@BlueTorchWeddingsКүн бұрын
Love the list, In my opinion Heat is hand management not deck building though
@DiceonahillКүн бұрын
@@BlueTorchWeddings Yeah, I can see that
@ryanrawn7049Күн бұрын
The one game that is above all others on the frustration scale is Hostage Negotiator. Ugh, what a drag.
@DiceonahillКүн бұрын
Yeah man, I feel you.
@dominykasbudrys1011Күн бұрын
Great video! One of the best out here ! Keep this up! Pretty cool that you respond to comments :) Love from Lithuania.
@DiceonahillКүн бұрын
Thank you! Really appreciate it!
@diamondmeeple3 күн бұрын
I understand Inis for 2-players is a joke. So I never looked into the game.
@Exozik3 күн бұрын
I don't play much 2 players games because I think it is the worst player count to have fun.
@Diceonahill2 күн бұрын
I've never played it at 2. I think you're right it wouldnt be as fun at 2.
@88slow3 күн бұрын
Great video and fellow Australian content. Subscribed 😀 disagree though with 2 of your choices. Scythe - Stonemarier even notes in green in rulebook that the Rusviet may seem broken but under normal circumstances their repeat action can't be chosen (or not the best). You can't say a game is ruined in this sense because you could just not play with it (why play Scythe at 5). Your play of it may have been ruined by it cause the other player seems Op but you are too. It's actually not the factions that are broken..it's actually your chances of winning playing optimally with their faction + player boards. Some combinations are worse than others. Bgg has some posts. It's essentially solved. Still a great game though. Skull - Yeh it was ruined by you. It's not the game so abit unfair to be on the list cause you didn't mention it's not the game's fault. If it was a list of funny circumstances that ruin a play. Sure. Maybe buy a cheap 2nd hand 😂 just dont buy the pink version cause some tiles are miscentred (so yeh producrion fault). Anyways keep it up!
@Diceonahill3 күн бұрын
Thanks for the support dude. I still enjoy scythe from time to time but the imbalance is glaring to me and feels like a problem with an otherwise great game. The imbalance doesnt just stop at Rusviet I'm afraid, they're just the worst offender. Crimea is also a very powerful faction and there are others like Nordic that make me scratch my head as their faction ability has no real application in the game at all. It's still fun but I hesitate to sit down for a 1-3 hr game when I can't unsee the problems. Yeah I see your point about skull but if the tokens are supposed to be secret cardboard is a poor design choice in my opinions, especially considering the price of the game...
@88slow3 күн бұрын
@Diceonahill True that on skull totally get your point. Ruins the game. Could be cards for a way cheaper price point (could make it ourselves with any card game now that I think about it, like 3 same numbers and 1 random). Sleeved. Cause I have nothing else to think abt but games - will use Arboretum cards. Pick 4 colours and 3 cards each then chuck in a different tree card, and call the game Tree Imposters.
@DJDan074 күн бұрын
I likec Oceans for a little while, but i gave it away to a friend for them to play with his kids. Overall a nice list and will enjoy seeing your top 10.
@Diceonahill4 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@Kojimalosophy5 күн бұрын
Spirit Island by far, I mean, a game that is designed so that you loose 80% of the time regardless of hiw high your IQ may be !? no thanks
@Diceonahill5 күн бұрын
I've only played on the basic (easiest) mode and managed to win most games. Are you playing on too high difficulty?
@Kojimalosophy3 күн бұрын
@@Diceonahill yeah well when you play the basic version too many times you eventually figure out the formula, but like you said, once you crank up the difficulty it gets extremely hard to beat
@adrenalinejunkie47885 күн бұрын
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@rogeliovazquez94226 күн бұрын
Greetings from Mexico, I’m just getting into board games. Great video, you should put images of the games you are mentioning so it can be easy to find later, also having a b-roll of the games setup would help us newbies to understand them more and see if it spark our interest. Cheers!
@Diceonahill6 күн бұрын
Thanks for your support dude!
@project_hollow66277 күн бұрын
Star Wars the deckbuilding game and champions are Midgard are both fun - check them out.
@Diceonahill7 күн бұрын
Cool, I'll keep an eye out for them!
@pujaemuss9 күн бұрын
I hated the Time Stories games, because of the mechanism where the punishment for running out of time is to go back to the beginning again and redo all the stuff you already did, only more efficiently. It's an interesting idea to use the time-loop trope of a character who gets their day optimised because they've been through it so many times already, but it's not actually an enjoyable experience to have.
@Diceonahill9 күн бұрын
Agreed! There's no fun to be had in going through the motions and trying to catch up to where you were earlier. Just a waste of time.
@arekkrolak632010 күн бұрын
Nemesis is a horror game. In horrors people die. What do you want from designers? To hand over participation trophies? :)
@Grigeral4 күн бұрын
Way to completely miss the point though. The issue there is the game lasts 1.5-3 hours, according to the box which let's be honest, is rarely all that accurate and often goes on longer. But let's presume 2-2.5 hours for an average game to be generous. If you invite friends over and one of them dies in the first 15 minutes, then they have to sit there for 2+ hours doing jack dick. Are you telling me if that happened to you, you'd be happy that you wasted your entire night for 15 minutes of game time and then absolutely nothing?
@CarbonBallas11 күн бұрын
I like this list
@Diceonahill10 күн бұрын
Thanks man!
@AdamWhitehead11111 күн бұрын
It is an interesting concept, poorly executed. I haven’t been on the recieving end, but i totally understand that the player in last place can feel as though they have been eliminated. They lose all of their progress and are left with nothing to keep them invested in the game. Even if they don't walk away from the table, they can lose interest. In a way, expecting someone to keep playing after they have lost investment is even worse than player elimination. The rest of the game is great though. I hear good things about it as a 2 player game.
@AdamWhitehead11112 күн бұрын
In Nemesis, I rarely see someone die early. It usually happens very near the end of the game. If it happens early, let them come back in with a new character. I don't find Smash Up all that difficult to keep track of. I didn't find paperback all that slow.
@Diceonahill12 күн бұрын
'Rarely' implies that it still happens 😉 Yeah, that's fine. Opinions are subjective after all.
@AdamWhitehead11112 күн бұрын
@Diceonahill yes, but I've also seen a game of pandemic end in the first round... and that didn't involve a player choosing to bare knuckle fight an adult alien.
@Diceonahill12 күн бұрын
Haha that is true can't say I've seen that!
@allthingshalo938814 күн бұрын
Good tips!
@Diceonahill14 күн бұрын
Thanks friendo!
@markchamberlain771514 күн бұрын
Great discussion. Apologies for the late post, but I'm going to say Root has been ruined by bad teaching every time for me - even though I've watched all sorts of teaches and playthroughs prior.
@nickmaldonado5912 күн бұрын
This is exactly why I couldn’t keep it… and I already have another “assymetrical factions on a map with an emphasis on ASSYMETRICAL” so I couldn’t justify a game that took that to the Nth degree. I wasn’t into the game enough to WANT to find a dedicated group to keep coming back to it.
@ropearoni418 күн бұрын
Go west and Alexandros by colovini: scoring was visible and shouldn't have been. When you score, you score for everyone in that area, so you can see it will help your opponent more than you, but by how much more? Is it worth it? Oh, yes, I can see it will not be worth it, and we'll give the lead to them. So, why would I score the area? You can clearly see who is in the lead at all times, even before you try to score. Scoring only for you, sure, or to take it out of the picture for the opponent to score, but nope, they score it as well. Scoring, knowing you will not gain on your opponent needs to be hidden scores, and the incentive to not let them score that area needs to be more along the lines, player who initiates the scoring gets double points, so if you let them score, they gain much more; but if you score it, you take away points from them in a way.
@Diceonahill18 күн бұрын
I'm sorry, what game are you talking about?
@dago641018 күн бұрын
Skull is in my top 10, but... Yes I agree, i can play it 6 player really cause of the same component issue. I need to buy second copy....
@johnharbin-wr7ej18 күн бұрын
Great video, just found you never stop this great content. All the the best to you
@Diceonahill18 күн бұрын
Thanks! I really appreciate it!
@FelessanFA19 күн бұрын
Enjoyable content, but i had to set speed to 1.5 :D
@Diceonahill19 күн бұрын
Haha no worries, maybe I should have board game co. Record all my vids 😜
@JonathonV19 күн бұрын
Completely agree with what you said about Scythe, Dwellings of Eldervale, Paperback, and Cosmic Encounter (I haven’t played the others). I also dislike player elimination and dice combat. I like Scythe more than the others in your list, but I’ve noticed that faction imbalance is a common thread in Stegmeier’s games (Tapestry, e.g.). Here are some of mine: BREW. You wouldn’t expect a game with this many Euro mechanisms and pretty art to be this mean. BROOM SERVICE, REVOLUTION, etc. Almost as bad as the “random dice luck determines everything” is the “players make choices in secret, reveal, then cancel each other out if they match” kind of luck. SEPTIMA does this too, but that’s not the only thing I disliked about that game (I also didn’t like how the action loop was too predictable). CINQUE TERRE: Why do unfulfilled contracts take negative points? Their ability to be fulfilled is determined by a dice roll at the beginning of the game. You start with a contract, and if the dice are unfavourable it’s not worth as many negative points, but it’s not worth as many positive points either, and as soon as you complete a contract you get another one. HUES AND CUES. The hues on the cards don’t match the hues on the board due to bad component quality, so you have to look it up on the board, surrounded by other colours. Huge fail! KLUSTER: This game is beautifully elegant in its simplicity. But I’m easily startled, and don’t enjoy being startled, so this game is just torturous. (Similarly, I also don’t like READY SET BET because of all the sudden yelling.) MERCHANTS OF THE DARK ROAD: Why are there extra hardships for the person who starts a quest when anyone can follow a quest and get almost as much benefits and no risk (they just miss out on the track placement)? For us it turned quickly into a game of chicken because no one wanted to start their own quest. OCEANS: Those predators can get so swingy. You can literally get ones that are so strong that you are passively killing all your neighbours’ species and they have no way to catch up. PULSAR 2849: I’m not convinced that structures are ever worth going for. They require so much of an investment and you have to dig so deep into the pile to get decent ones that if you’re the only one going for structures you’ll definitely lose. That’s all I can think of at the moment!
@Diceonahill19 күн бұрын
That's a solid list! Hopefully, some of them you can still enjoy. Although, we are very lucky to have so much variety in games that if something bugs us we can move on to another game.
@JonathonV19 күн бұрын
@@DiceonahillVery true! 😀 In going through my game stats to think of examples of this phenomenon, I realised there weren’t as many as I thought. It turns out that I actually like a lot more games proportionally than I thought I did, and the games I didn’t like were usually the wrong genre for me entirely. I’m fortunate to have three game groups per week, so I have the opportunity to try a lot of new, great games. There are many bad games, but also so many good ones!
@JJ_TheGreat20 күн бұрын
Nice loop, btw! 😀
@JJ_TheGreat20 күн бұрын
I really like this game... It is often compared with 7 Wonders, but I only lightly see that. I like this game better!
@Diceonahill20 күн бұрын
Me too! More straightforward, i think.
@mattjenkinscomic21 күн бұрын
Wow. Fun list! Just subscribed. We have a lot of overlap. I know this wasn’t a favorite games list, but I love marvel champions (have everything), dune imperium (all expansions), dune uprising, wingspan, Hive, Splendor. A few others you may enjoy are Heat, Root and Thunder road! Cheers from 🇺🇸
@Diceonahill21 күн бұрын
Cool! Thanks for the support man!
@WinningHandPodcast22 күн бұрын
Sad to see you unload Marvel Champions!
@Diceonahill22 күн бұрын
I had some good times before it left 😌
@jean.phillipe23 күн бұрын
Magic the Gathering, its not a game. Its a CANCER.
@ZeIsAnEnemy19 күн бұрын
It’s like to be sober for few years, then one shot and you get back to alcoholic life again.
@petarenev526624 күн бұрын
Have you heard of Commander cube?
@Diceonahill24 күн бұрын
I have, can't say I've played it though. Sounds expensive to make haha! I'd try it though.
@petarenev526613 күн бұрын
@@Diceonahill Not so expensive if you print out proxy cards.. :)
@adrenalinejunkie478825 күн бұрын
Excellent idea for a list & episode. Most interesting. Love a good deck build. myself, too.
@adrenalinejunkie478825 күн бұрын
Excellent idea for a list & episode. Most interesting.
@JJ_TheGreat26 күн бұрын
9:02 Splendor is probably one of my most played games, too!
@Diceonahill26 күн бұрын
Do you keep track of your plays? Personally, really like to reflect on what games get played and how often.
@JJ_TheGreat26 күн бұрын
@@DiceonahillUnfortunately, I really don't have a formal tracking system - beyond adding a note on my phone which lists all the games I play during a year, along with the date I played and the name of the game.
@Diceonahill26 күн бұрын
I highly suggest you check out my vid on bg stats! It's seriously a game changer! kzread.info/dash/bejne/aqh7w7yOd6XFgLg.htmlsi=U18n_n4i6h9VRmhz
@boeta977827 күн бұрын
PNP?
@adrenalinejunkie478828 күн бұрын
Nice work mate. Greetings from Perth.
@Diceonahill28 күн бұрын
Cool, I was born there. Over in Brissy now.
@adrenalinejunkie478825 күн бұрын
@@Diceonahill Cheers buddy.
@BlueTorchWeddings29 күн бұрын
I have a few but I'll mention one: Ready Set Bet. I love Ready Set Bet but the calculation of points after each round, slows the pacing down to a crawl. A ton of calculations and the distributing money to all the players was just way too slow with 6+ players
@allthingshalo9388Ай бұрын
Nice!
@allthingshalo9388Ай бұрын
Table top con was great!
@allthingshalo9388Ай бұрын
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@spencer2113Ай бұрын
Great content, keep it up!
@DiceonahillАй бұрын
Thanks man! Really appreciated!
@sparkleglitch13Ай бұрын
Thanks for the shoutout!!
@DragfieАй бұрын
Got the name perfect! Thanks for the feature :D
@DiceonahillАй бұрын
Haha thanks man, names are always hard!
@snowsamuraiАй бұрын
Good list man ! I like you explain the plays
@DiceonahillАй бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@benjaminl429Ай бұрын
Cosmic Encounter shines with the right players. We had a game a month or two back where one guy could have one with others, but decided to sabotage them at the last minute so he could taste victory alone... which then led to another guy almost winning, and me being slingshot from last place to winning the game due to a combination of my powers and others seeing my position as no threat. It's a great game with selfish people.
@yogibbearАй бұрын
Hostage Negotiator is really good, but yeah if you ignore the mitigation and live on RNG dice rolls then sure it'd be frustrating.
@DiceonahillАй бұрын
What midigation are you referring to? The 4 side allows you to discard for a success but you still have to roll it? Apart from rolling a 4, how else can i change the result? If I am missing something do let me know.
@interstellardave12 күн бұрын
Final Girl is leaps and bounds better, IMO. They made it so both 3 and 4 can be changed to successes but, also, I think there are a lot of other things that let you mitigate the luck factor. At least I feel much less at the mercy of the dice in FG than Hostage Negotiator. Now, some of the things I’ve learned from playing FG might help me do better if I play HN again, that’s possible, but I think the system is more refined as well.
@robertthurman9866Ай бұрын
I think having one overpowered faction in a game like this is a good thing. It can be given to a new player to even things out. It can be an AI player to compete alongside other players. Or it can just not be used for a group that is experienced. Having varied strengths in a game serves as a handicapping system. The better players get the weakest factions the newer weaker players get the stronger factions.
@DiceonahillАй бұрын
That's an interesting perspective. Personally I would prefer a way to handicap a player in some way if thats the case. The ability as it is now is static and can't be adjusted, unless house-ruling. What you are saying is valid though.
@Aurion254Ай бұрын
My play group are in the middle of a gloomhaven campaign and we just did a scenario in which there are a lot of monsters and allies. Much of the game was spent going through the motions of the automated monster turns and it absolutely killed the experience for us. Each round was taking 45+mins and everyone was completely switched off by the time it came to their turn. Hasn't quite ruined it for us but definitely playing some shorter games at our next game night!
@DiceonahillАй бұрын
That sounds awful! Haha. Someone might have to cook up a house rule or something for that scenario.
@Aurion254Ай бұрын
I often think about what ruins traditional board games and quite often it is down to one mechanism. For instance, Cluedo (or Clue for anyone in the US) is actually a great game at its core but the roll and move mechanism just ruined it for me as a child. The very fact that you could miss a turn to start a rumour just because you rolled poorly is such poor design. I know a lot of people house-ruled it out but it really shouldn't have been there to begin with. Don't know whether it has changed in subsequent printings but my fix was that you don't use dice at all but could just move to adjacent rooms or use secret passageways.
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Keep the heroes out any good?
@Marcos-un2bw I enjoy it, can be swingy though. I've house rules that when heroes steal the treasure the negative doesnt occur. As the negative can range from nothing happening to the heroes getting several turns in a row. Since ignoring it the games have been better. The game has plenty of challenge without the mechanic anyway. The asymmetry in the monsters is pretty fun. An overall simple, co-op game (that I prefer to keep at solo)
What an original topic. Just subbed!
Very good list. I would add Tiny Epic Dungeons for Miniatures and Sea, Salt & Paper for card drafting
@@TheRASDEL83 cool, I'll have to check those ones out!
You made some excellent points here. I’ve never bothered with kickstarter, and where I live in the Canary Islands, many retailers will not ship here, plus it’s quite expensive if you do, so virtually all my games have been bought in local shops. This has meant many games are not available, as they don’t make it here, so the wishlist want is reduced. Nevertheless, I’m at the stage where I have enough games (a few unplayed) but the point you made about not purchasing similar playing-style games is something I ask myself constantly now, and this has stopped me buying games just because they are new. Also, the space the games are taking up is now reaching capacity, more than a single Kallax. As I only play the board games with my wife, I’ve tried to purchase more two-player specific games, as it reduces the cost a lot, I’m not having to pay for cardboard I’m never going to use! As all my games are in Spanish, my choice is limited if the game is heavily language dependent. However, there are so many games. Again, thanks for the advice and good luck with your channel. Cheers Glenn
@glennwilson3045 Hey, thanks for sharing man! :D
Love the list, In my opinion Heat is hand management not deck building though
@@BlueTorchWeddings Yeah, I can see that
The one game that is above all others on the frustration scale is Hostage Negotiator. Ugh, what a drag.
Yeah man, I feel you.
Great video! One of the best out here ! Keep this up! Pretty cool that you respond to comments :) Love from Lithuania.
Thank you! Really appreciate it!
I understand Inis for 2-players is a joke. So I never looked into the game.
I don't play much 2 players games because I think it is the worst player count to have fun.
I've never played it at 2. I think you're right it wouldnt be as fun at 2.
Great video and fellow Australian content. Subscribed 😀 disagree though with 2 of your choices. Scythe - Stonemarier even notes in green in rulebook that the Rusviet may seem broken but under normal circumstances their repeat action can't be chosen (or not the best). You can't say a game is ruined in this sense because you could just not play with it (why play Scythe at 5). Your play of it may have been ruined by it cause the other player seems Op but you are too. It's actually not the factions that are broken..it's actually your chances of winning playing optimally with their faction + player boards. Some combinations are worse than others. Bgg has some posts. It's essentially solved. Still a great game though. Skull - Yeh it was ruined by you. It's not the game so abit unfair to be on the list cause you didn't mention it's not the game's fault. If it was a list of funny circumstances that ruin a play. Sure. Maybe buy a cheap 2nd hand 😂 just dont buy the pink version cause some tiles are miscentred (so yeh producrion fault). Anyways keep it up!
Thanks for the support dude. I still enjoy scythe from time to time but the imbalance is glaring to me and feels like a problem with an otherwise great game. The imbalance doesnt just stop at Rusviet I'm afraid, they're just the worst offender. Crimea is also a very powerful faction and there are others like Nordic that make me scratch my head as their faction ability has no real application in the game at all. It's still fun but I hesitate to sit down for a 1-3 hr game when I can't unsee the problems. Yeah I see your point about skull but if the tokens are supposed to be secret cardboard is a poor design choice in my opinions, especially considering the price of the game...
@Diceonahill True that on skull totally get your point. Ruins the game. Could be cards for a way cheaper price point (could make it ourselves with any card game now that I think about it, like 3 same numbers and 1 random). Sleeved. Cause I have nothing else to think abt but games - will use Arboretum cards. Pick 4 colours and 3 cards each then chuck in a different tree card, and call the game Tree Imposters.
I likec Oceans for a little while, but i gave it away to a friend for them to play with his kids. Overall a nice list and will enjoy seeing your top 10.
Thanks for sharing!
Spirit Island by far, I mean, a game that is designed so that you loose 80% of the time regardless of hiw high your IQ may be !? no thanks
I've only played on the basic (easiest) mode and managed to win most games. Are you playing on too high difficulty?
@@Diceonahill yeah well when you play the basic version too many times you eventually figure out the formula, but like you said, once you crank up the difficulty it gets extremely hard to beat
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Greetings from Mexico, I’m just getting into board games. Great video, you should put images of the games you are mentioning so it can be easy to find later, also having a b-roll of the games setup would help us newbies to understand them more and see if it spark our interest. Cheers!
Thanks for your support dude!
Star Wars the deckbuilding game and champions are Midgard are both fun - check them out.
Cool, I'll keep an eye out for them!
I hated the Time Stories games, because of the mechanism where the punishment for running out of time is to go back to the beginning again and redo all the stuff you already did, only more efficiently. It's an interesting idea to use the time-loop trope of a character who gets their day optimised because they've been through it so many times already, but it's not actually an enjoyable experience to have.
Agreed! There's no fun to be had in going through the motions and trying to catch up to where you were earlier. Just a waste of time.
Nemesis is a horror game. In horrors people die. What do you want from designers? To hand over participation trophies? :)
Way to completely miss the point though. The issue there is the game lasts 1.5-3 hours, according to the box which let's be honest, is rarely all that accurate and often goes on longer. But let's presume 2-2.5 hours for an average game to be generous. If you invite friends over and one of them dies in the first 15 minutes, then they have to sit there for 2+ hours doing jack dick. Are you telling me if that happened to you, you'd be happy that you wasted your entire night for 15 minutes of game time and then absolutely nothing?
I like this list
Thanks man!
It is an interesting concept, poorly executed. I haven’t been on the recieving end, but i totally understand that the player in last place can feel as though they have been eliminated. They lose all of their progress and are left with nothing to keep them invested in the game. Even if they don't walk away from the table, they can lose interest. In a way, expecting someone to keep playing after they have lost investment is even worse than player elimination. The rest of the game is great though. I hear good things about it as a 2 player game.
In Nemesis, I rarely see someone die early. It usually happens very near the end of the game. If it happens early, let them come back in with a new character. I don't find Smash Up all that difficult to keep track of. I didn't find paperback all that slow.
'Rarely' implies that it still happens 😉 Yeah, that's fine. Opinions are subjective after all.
@Diceonahill yes, but I've also seen a game of pandemic end in the first round... and that didn't involve a player choosing to bare knuckle fight an adult alien.
Haha that is true can't say I've seen that!
Good tips!
Thanks friendo!
Great discussion. Apologies for the late post, but I'm going to say Root has been ruined by bad teaching every time for me - even though I've watched all sorts of teaches and playthroughs prior.
This is exactly why I couldn’t keep it… and I already have another “assymetrical factions on a map with an emphasis on ASSYMETRICAL” so I couldn’t justify a game that took that to the Nth degree. I wasn’t into the game enough to WANT to find a dedicated group to keep coming back to it.
Go west and Alexandros by colovini: scoring was visible and shouldn't have been. When you score, you score for everyone in that area, so you can see it will help your opponent more than you, but by how much more? Is it worth it? Oh, yes, I can see it will not be worth it, and we'll give the lead to them. So, why would I score the area? You can clearly see who is in the lead at all times, even before you try to score. Scoring only for you, sure, or to take it out of the picture for the opponent to score, but nope, they score it as well. Scoring, knowing you will not gain on your opponent needs to be hidden scores, and the incentive to not let them score that area needs to be more along the lines, player who initiates the scoring gets double points, so if you let them score, they gain much more; but if you score it, you take away points from them in a way.
I'm sorry, what game are you talking about?
Skull is in my top 10, but... Yes I agree, i can play it 6 player really cause of the same component issue. I need to buy second copy....
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Thanks! I really appreciate it!
Enjoyable content, but i had to set speed to 1.5 :D
Haha no worries, maybe I should have board game co. Record all my vids 😜
Completely agree with what you said about Scythe, Dwellings of Eldervale, Paperback, and Cosmic Encounter (I haven’t played the others). I also dislike player elimination and dice combat. I like Scythe more than the others in your list, but I’ve noticed that faction imbalance is a common thread in Stegmeier’s games (Tapestry, e.g.). Here are some of mine: BREW. You wouldn’t expect a game with this many Euro mechanisms and pretty art to be this mean. BROOM SERVICE, REVOLUTION, etc. Almost as bad as the “random dice luck determines everything” is the “players make choices in secret, reveal, then cancel each other out if they match” kind of luck. SEPTIMA does this too, but that’s not the only thing I disliked about that game (I also didn’t like how the action loop was too predictable). CINQUE TERRE: Why do unfulfilled contracts take negative points? Their ability to be fulfilled is determined by a dice roll at the beginning of the game. You start with a contract, and if the dice are unfavourable it’s not worth as many negative points, but it’s not worth as many positive points either, and as soon as you complete a contract you get another one. HUES AND CUES. The hues on the cards don’t match the hues on the board due to bad component quality, so you have to look it up on the board, surrounded by other colours. Huge fail! KLUSTER: This game is beautifully elegant in its simplicity. But I’m easily startled, and don’t enjoy being startled, so this game is just torturous. (Similarly, I also don’t like READY SET BET because of all the sudden yelling.) MERCHANTS OF THE DARK ROAD: Why are there extra hardships for the person who starts a quest when anyone can follow a quest and get almost as much benefits and no risk (they just miss out on the track placement)? For us it turned quickly into a game of chicken because no one wanted to start their own quest. OCEANS: Those predators can get so swingy. You can literally get ones that are so strong that you are passively killing all your neighbours’ species and they have no way to catch up. PULSAR 2849: I’m not convinced that structures are ever worth going for. They require so much of an investment and you have to dig so deep into the pile to get decent ones that if you’re the only one going for structures you’ll definitely lose. That’s all I can think of at the moment!
That's a solid list! Hopefully, some of them you can still enjoy. Although, we are very lucky to have so much variety in games that if something bugs us we can move on to another game.
@@DiceonahillVery true! 😀 In going through my game stats to think of examples of this phenomenon, I realised there weren’t as many as I thought. It turns out that I actually like a lot more games proportionally than I thought I did, and the games I didn’t like were usually the wrong genre for me entirely. I’m fortunate to have three game groups per week, so I have the opportunity to try a lot of new, great games. There are many bad games, but also so many good ones!
Nice loop, btw! 😀
I really like this game... It is often compared with 7 Wonders, but I only lightly see that. I like this game better!
Me too! More straightforward, i think.
Wow. Fun list! Just subscribed. We have a lot of overlap. I know this wasn’t a favorite games list, but I love marvel champions (have everything), dune imperium (all expansions), dune uprising, wingspan, Hive, Splendor. A few others you may enjoy are Heat, Root and Thunder road! Cheers from 🇺🇸
Cool! Thanks for the support man!
Sad to see you unload Marvel Champions!
I had some good times before it left 😌
Magic the Gathering, its not a game. Its a CANCER.
It’s like to be sober for few years, then one shot and you get back to alcoholic life again.
Have you heard of Commander cube?
I have, can't say I've played it though. Sounds expensive to make haha! I'd try it though.
@@Diceonahill Not so expensive if you print out proxy cards.. :)
Excellent idea for a list & episode. Most interesting. Love a good deck build. myself, too.
Excellent idea for a list & episode. Most interesting.
9:02 Splendor is probably one of my most played games, too!
Do you keep track of your plays? Personally, really like to reflect on what games get played and how often.
@@DiceonahillUnfortunately, I really don't have a formal tracking system - beyond adding a note on my phone which lists all the games I play during a year, along with the date I played and the name of the game.
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PNP?
Nice work mate. Greetings from Perth.
Cool, I was born there. Over in Brissy now.
@@Diceonahill Cheers buddy.
I have a few but I'll mention one: Ready Set Bet. I love Ready Set Bet but the calculation of points after each round, slows the pacing down to a crawl. A ton of calculations and the distributing money to all the players was just way too slow with 6+ players
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Table top con was great!
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Great content, keep it up!
Thanks man! Really appreciated!
Thanks for the shoutout!!
Got the name perfect! Thanks for the feature :D
Haha thanks man, names are always hard!
Good list man ! I like you explain the plays
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Cosmic Encounter shines with the right players. We had a game a month or two back where one guy could have one with others, but decided to sabotage them at the last minute so he could taste victory alone... which then led to another guy almost winning, and me being slingshot from last place to winning the game due to a combination of my powers and others seeing my position as no threat. It's a great game with selfish people.
Hostage Negotiator is really good, but yeah if you ignore the mitigation and live on RNG dice rolls then sure it'd be frustrating.
What midigation are you referring to? The 4 side allows you to discard for a success but you still have to roll it? Apart from rolling a 4, how else can i change the result? If I am missing something do let me know.
Final Girl is leaps and bounds better, IMO. They made it so both 3 and 4 can be changed to successes but, also, I think there are a lot of other things that let you mitigate the luck factor. At least I feel much less at the mercy of the dice in FG than Hostage Negotiator. Now, some of the things I’ve learned from playing FG might help me do better if I play HN again, that’s possible, but I think the system is more refined as well.
I think having one overpowered faction in a game like this is a good thing. It can be given to a new player to even things out. It can be an AI player to compete alongside other players. Or it can just not be used for a group that is experienced. Having varied strengths in a game serves as a handicapping system. The better players get the weakest factions the newer weaker players get the stronger factions.
That's an interesting perspective. Personally I would prefer a way to handicap a player in some way if thats the case. The ability as it is now is static and can't be adjusted, unless house-ruling. What you are saying is valid though.
My play group are in the middle of a gloomhaven campaign and we just did a scenario in which there are a lot of monsters and allies. Much of the game was spent going through the motions of the automated monster turns and it absolutely killed the experience for us. Each round was taking 45+mins and everyone was completely switched off by the time it came to their turn. Hasn't quite ruined it for us but definitely playing some shorter games at our next game night!
That sounds awful! Haha. Someone might have to cook up a house rule or something for that scenario.
I often think about what ruins traditional board games and quite often it is down to one mechanism. For instance, Cluedo (or Clue for anyone in the US) is actually a great game at its core but the roll and move mechanism just ruined it for me as a child. The very fact that you could miss a turn to start a rumour just because you rolled poorly is such poor design. I know a lot of people house-ruled it out but it really shouldn't have been there to begin with. Don't know whether it has changed in subsequent printings but my fix was that you don't use dice at all but could just move to adjacent rooms or use secret passageways.