I do love watching this man work on bows!!!! Every word that Coach says is important. Thank you so much for this great video Coach Braden!! -Raymon
@tonyviers-de9qi5 күн бұрын
I don’t understand why you talk about when the rest comes up when that doesn’t matter At all. The ONLY thing that matters is when it drops away. It can be up in the up position before you even draw.
@deanmoloney5059Ай бұрын
I know this is an older video but I thank you for the content . Good stuff mister and I'll be applying this to my own setup
@tonyviers-de9qiАй бұрын
Btw …. Awesome work
@tonyviers-de9qiАй бұрын
What is your point weight ? Do you think 200 point would fall faster than 120? 30 yds.
@tonyviers-de9qiАй бұрын
Isn’t the only thing that matters is how long it stays up? Not how long it stays down?
@johnhall92282 ай бұрын
Great video thank you.
@jmyers1977jm3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the good and technical info.
@jmyers1977jm3 ай бұрын
Love this coverage with the down range camera.
@UrMom_says3 ай бұрын
This is by far the best most in depth d-loop video I've seen. And I'm ordering that wedge. Would love to see you do a video talking about how to learn yardage judging
@wayneeden983 ай бұрын
Yes, the speed of the arrow is important for the timing to the get the arrow it's position in the gliding position in flight, my big question, do I use my pocket change to build my own hooter shooter or spend $2500/3000 for the over priced, this company that owns the hooter shooter doesn't have right to price gouge anyone, their being greedy
@alxandr564 ай бұрын
Молодец девушка!
@johndenver50295 ай бұрын
Limb driven rest 1. Find power stroke of draw (mark arrow where it contacts the rest at rest and mark where the arrow is on the rest at full draw) 2. Measure distance btw 2 marrks on arrow and divide by 2( 50 percent of power stroke) 3. Measure from that midpt to the full draw mark and divide by 2. This gives you 75 percent of power stroke. 4. I use painters tape to tape from the 50 mark to the 75 mark to see easier 5. You want the arrow rest to be fully in up position in the 50-70 range. 6. Adjust cord attached to limb closer or further from limb tip to time correctly
@peterp11436 ай бұрын
Why do you start at 3 inches?
@Pypamid6 ай бұрын
Hamskea themselves says to have 50-70% of guidance, this video says the exact opposite? What your reasoning for having as little as possible?
@Nowhy6 ай бұрын
Good question.. I am also interested in the reasoning, for I tuned it like this video said and didn't know about the 50-70 percent...
@poonhandler866 ай бұрын
I shoot a capture style an its far more accurate then i am an i dont have to worry bout any of this business
@jeffnelson77589 ай бұрын
Loved the vidio
@jeffnelson77589 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. I will be checking my timing on my bow closer
@milansekularac61969 ай бұрын
Excellent.
@kylekromer8047 Жыл бұрын
Great info - setting up a pair of hunting bows and this is super helpful.
@kylekromer8047 Жыл бұрын
I dig it buddy, learned a ton!
@ivg4 Жыл бұрын
Another excellent video! Bought my wedge already!
@ivg4 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Great video!
@bbmas1930 Жыл бұрын
Great vid. It’s super important to experiment with this stuff. All rests have there own idiosyncrasies on different bows. Eg on my elite enlist my hamskea primer gives perfect straight nock travel but is much harder to tune out right tears. My QAD on the same bow though gives nock low travel so the arrow has to run downhill through the Berger holes but right/left tears are a non issue. I’d be interested to know how QAD’s can be set to delay their super fast drop away.
@jasonparks389 Жыл бұрын
What’s the advantage of the target launcher vs the Hunter launcher ?
@michaelbraden6000 Жыл бұрын
For me, the target launcher is longer so I can change out the “Up Stop” screw and lower the angle of the launcher blade, while maintaining the same arrow height when full upright. A lower blade angle will enable more leverage against the “Full Upright” spring, arguably being a little more forgiving if the arrow where to hit it during launch. Is it a significant difference? No…
@bowtechlover1 Жыл бұрын
Mike this a great video that explains so much more than you can ever know!! I wished many more pros would share their knowledge like you do!! I appreciate it coach!! Btw, you’re looking good buddy!! 👊🏽
@michaelbraden6000 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@ChilleDxFighteR Жыл бұрын
Great stuff Michael. Would love to see more from you on KZread!
@michaelbraden6000 Жыл бұрын
More to come!
@ChilleDxFighteR Жыл бұрын
@@michaelbraden6000 good to hear! Missed seeing you in the shoot down like has been normal
@philpetrizza3375 Жыл бұрын
Hey brother thank you for the knowledgeable video A+
@michaelbraden6000 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@travisbuller4130 Жыл бұрын
Great info Mike. I know there are many great string companies out there, but I only had one ask what nock I used, before they built my set. Something I thought was pretty beneficial that went along with the info you shared.
@brandonberrios8664 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing the info Mike! - Brandon CCR
@liamboyle9199 Жыл бұрын
That would explain why my Citation came out at 40.5 ATA and not 40... That begs the question, shouldn't PSE know better? I actually think the LiveWires are amongst the better factory strings in the current era. I would imagine they would be extremely good if they went to a more conventional twist direction.
@HawgHunter63 Жыл бұрын
Great shot.
@HawgHunter63 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video with a lot of common sense info...TY
@Theresa-xn5zb Жыл бұрын
Hey Michael I really like this video. Thanks John Bass
@MichaelHopkins93 Жыл бұрын
Excellent information. Thank you.
@michaelbraden6000 Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@jamesjgill Жыл бұрын
I found this video to be incredibly useful. will try it myself.
@michaelbraden6000 Жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@jamesjgill Жыл бұрын
@@michaelbraden6000 By using a draw board to measure and by doing some group tuning, I think supporting the arrow for the first 7 inches has been giving me a bit more forgiveness. Thanks for advice.
@lancebernal9982 Жыл бұрын
Love the coaching and easy tracking job
@mr.mathews6485 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos they are very informative I have greatly enjoyed them. I have always run a cable operated rest on hunting bows.…but I will be putting a hamskea Trinity on my trx 38 soon and I noticed you run your hamskea cord to the top limb. Can you explain why the top limb is different/better than bottom limb?
@michaelbraden6000 Жыл бұрын
With regards to the function of the rest, it does not matter wether you choose the top limb or the bottom limb. So, it becomes your preference or which direction creates less potential obstruction for the lift cord. For my target bow I use V-Bars and the lift cord could hang on the bracket or the end collar of that back bar, and how I set up for my shot, I put release hand in that area when I put my bow hand in my wrist strap that’s attached to the bow. I have needed to cut the end of the extension bar of my target sights to make sure they would not interfere with the function of the lift cord. So I feel going to the top limb is better for me.
@jeffnelson7758 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael, great video and hope to see more!
@CJLiveFromTheOutdoors Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed video. I recently bought a new Bowtech bow and put a Vapor Trails limb-driven rest on it and I have been struggling to get the rest set up properly. Unfortunately I bought the bow in Colorado where I had great archery shops to chose from but now I live in southern Virginia where there aren't as many trustworthy shops nearby. Videos like yours help me greatly. Thank you.
@chrismella1511 Жыл бұрын
I have 3 VaporTrail limb driven drop aways and where on the limb you attach the cable makes all the difference. On an extreme parallel limb bow (like a Mathews TRX) you can have the cable all the way to the axle as it moves very little. On a more upright limb I usually start around where the perimeter of the cam intersects the limb plane. That was explained to me by "Ears", a VaporTrail employee and expert. If the rest blade stays up too long move the cable towards the axle, if it's dropping away too quickly, move away from the axle. I've been on the podium many times in Target, Field, and 3D events, all with VaporTrail rests. I would be happy to send you pictures of different setups if you think that might help.
@olehemlock Жыл бұрын
After watching this video I purchased the Loop Wedge. Very happy I did. This is a cheap investment for you to add to your archery tools! Having the ability to create consistent D-Loops and replace D-Loops is a time and money saver!
@davedavidson7297 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Mr. Braden.
@michaelbraden6000 Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@olehemlock Жыл бұрын
Another awesome video.
@michaelbraden6000 Жыл бұрын
Thanks again!
@olehemlock Жыл бұрын
Do the same test with a 600gr. The results are far more dramatic. If you are shooting a TAC event and trying to reach 120yds you might need all the up time you can get so your arrow will clear the scope. The distance of drop is far more dramatic when you compare a fall away against a fixed rest. I shot a 427 grain arrow at 270fps off a Bodoodle Zapper, then installed a QAD HDX and the arrow dropped 3 inches. I have also noticed you can run into tuning problems with minimal up time. Great video, sadly this doesn’t get shown or seen enough. Every time i see a Hamskea tied to the saddle of a split yoke bus cable on a Mathews or PSE I shake my head.
@brandonnguyen34429 ай бұрын
My epsilon was tied to the yoke instead of the limb by my local bow shop. Why is this bad?
@olehemlock9 ай бұрын
@@brandonnguyen3442 Slow motion video has shown the violent movement of the cables can cause the rest launcher to rebound and contact the fletching. Testing was done by Lancaster Archery.
@Skauber Жыл бұрын
Blade arrow rests are the best for pinpoint accuracy, a properly installed and tuned blade rest does not contact the fletchings of the arrow. They probably don't work well with 4 fletchings, but 3 is perfect. Thats why they are the most popular rest used in target where millimeters count on where you hit that target. The problem is that they don't contain the arrow, and the arrow can easily fall off the rest, especially when you draw the bow. This makes it unsuitable for hunting. And that's where drop away rests shine. They can give the best flight off the rest without contacting the fletching, but they are way harder and finicky to set up and tune, plus the addition of moving parts. But being full containment rest, makes them very well suited for hunting and that's where you see them used the most.
@mojoe8005 Жыл бұрын
Great in depth vid please share more knowledge
@michaelbraden6000 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@deanmoloney5059 Жыл бұрын
Great information, thanks for sharing brother
@michaelbraden6000 Жыл бұрын
You bet
@MrRay645 Жыл бұрын
I could nerd out for days with a shooting machine.... Seeing what my bows can already do would be really helpful, I would stop sweating the small things and just practice more.
@CJLiveFromTheOutdoors Жыл бұрын
You're right. It would be really cool to have a set up like that in my backyard!
@jofher007 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this awesome archery Arrow rest info.. I watch many many youtube videos and none them have shared this valuable information. Just recently purchased a Custom QAD Ultra Rest Pro HDX Drop Away Rest with Bracket for my PSE TAC 15 Ordnance Crossbow Upper.. I managed to time it, yesterday test I notice the arrow rest never made contact with the Vanes , but it did noticed the arm starts to lift up withing 5" before the end of the arrow , 45 degrees within the 4" & 80 degrees @ 3" inches " on the end of the arrow. I'm glad I ran in too your video so I could Tune-up my rest so I get the best performance of my crossbow. 26.25" arrow 485 gr weight @ 405 FPS
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Incredible content.
I do love watching this man work on bows!!!! Every word that Coach says is important. Thank you so much for this great video Coach Braden!! -Raymon
I don’t understand why you talk about when the rest comes up when that doesn’t matter At all. The ONLY thing that matters is when it drops away. It can be up in the up position before you even draw.
I know this is an older video but I thank you for the content . Good stuff mister and I'll be applying this to my own setup
Btw …. Awesome work
What is your point weight ? Do you think 200 point would fall faster than 120? 30 yds.
Isn’t the only thing that matters is how long it stays up? Not how long it stays down?
Great video thank you.
Thanks for the good and technical info.
Love this coverage with the down range camera.
This is by far the best most in depth d-loop video I've seen. And I'm ordering that wedge. Would love to see you do a video talking about how to learn yardage judging
Yes, the speed of the arrow is important for the timing to the get the arrow it's position in the gliding position in flight, my big question, do I use my pocket change to build my own hooter shooter or spend $2500/3000 for the over priced, this company that owns the hooter shooter doesn't have right to price gouge anyone, their being greedy
Молодец девушка!
Limb driven rest 1. Find power stroke of draw (mark arrow where it contacts the rest at rest and mark where the arrow is on the rest at full draw) 2. Measure distance btw 2 marrks on arrow and divide by 2( 50 percent of power stroke) 3. Measure from that midpt to the full draw mark and divide by 2. This gives you 75 percent of power stroke. 4. I use painters tape to tape from the 50 mark to the 75 mark to see easier 5. You want the arrow rest to be fully in up position in the 50-70 range. 6. Adjust cord attached to limb closer or further from limb tip to time correctly
Why do you start at 3 inches?
Hamskea themselves says to have 50-70% of guidance, this video says the exact opposite? What your reasoning for having as little as possible?
Good question.. I am also interested in the reasoning, for I tuned it like this video said and didn't know about the 50-70 percent...
I shoot a capture style an its far more accurate then i am an i dont have to worry bout any of this business
Loved the vidio
Thanks for the video. I will be checking my timing on my bow closer
Excellent.
Great info - setting up a pair of hunting bows and this is super helpful.
I dig it buddy, learned a ton!
Another excellent video! Bought my wedge already!
Thanks! Great video!
Great vid. It’s super important to experiment with this stuff. All rests have there own idiosyncrasies on different bows. Eg on my elite enlist my hamskea primer gives perfect straight nock travel but is much harder to tune out right tears. My QAD on the same bow though gives nock low travel so the arrow has to run downhill through the Berger holes but right/left tears are a non issue. I’d be interested to know how QAD’s can be set to delay their super fast drop away.
What’s the advantage of the target launcher vs the Hunter launcher ?
For me, the target launcher is longer so I can change out the “Up Stop” screw and lower the angle of the launcher blade, while maintaining the same arrow height when full upright. A lower blade angle will enable more leverage against the “Full Upright” spring, arguably being a little more forgiving if the arrow where to hit it during launch. Is it a significant difference? No…
Mike this a great video that explains so much more than you can ever know!! I wished many more pros would share their knowledge like you do!! I appreciate it coach!! Btw, you’re looking good buddy!! 👊🏽
Thank you!!!
Great stuff Michael. Would love to see more from you on KZread!
More to come!
@@michaelbraden6000 good to hear! Missed seeing you in the shoot down like has been normal
Hey brother thank you for the knowledgeable video A+
Thank you!!!
Great info Mike. I know there are many great string companies out there, but I only had one ask what nock I used, before they built my set. Something I thought was pretty beneficial that went along with the info you shared.
Thanks for sharing the info Mike! - Brandon CCR
That would explain why my Citation came out at 40.5 ATA and not 40... That begs the question, shouldn't PSE know better? I actually think the LiveWires are amongst the better factory strings in the current era. I would imagine they would be extremely good if they went to a more conventional twist direction.
Great shot.
Awesome video with a lot of common sense info...TY
Hey Michael I really like this video. Thanks John Bass
Excellent information. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
I found this video to be incredibly useful. will try it myself.
Great to hear!
@@michaelbraden6000 By using a draw board to measure and by doing some group tuning, I think supporting the arrow for the first 7 inches has been giving me a bit more forgiveness. Thanks for advice.
Love the coaching and easy tracking job
Thank you for your videos they are very informative I have greatly enjoyed them. I have always run a cable operated rest on hunting bows.…but I will be putting a hamskea Trinity on my trx 38 soon and I noticed you run your hamskea cord to the top limb. Can you explain why the top limb is different/better than bottom limb?
With regards to the function of the rest, it does not matter wether you choose the top limb or the bottom limb. So, it becomes your preference or which direction creates less potential obstruction for the lift cord. For my target bow I use V-Bars and the lift cord could hang on the bracket or the end collar of that back bar, and how I set up for my shot, I put release hand in that area when I put my bow hand in my wrist strap that’s attached to the bow. I have needed to cut the end of the extension bar of my target sights to make sure they would not interfere with the function of the lift cord. So I feel going to the top limb is better for me.
Thanks Michael, great video and hope to see more!
Thanks for the detailed video. I recently bought a new Bowtech bow and put a Vapor Trails limb-driven rest on it and I have been struggling to get the rest set up properly. Unfortunately I bought the bow in Colorado where I had great archery shops to chose from but now I live in southern Virginia where there aren't as many trustworthy shops nearby. Videos like yours help me greatly. Thank you.
I have 3 VaporTrail limb driven drop aways and where on the limb you attach the cable makes all the difference. On an extreme parallel limb bow (like a Mathews TRX) you can have the cable all the way to the axle as it moves very little. On a more upright limb I usually start around where the perimeter of the cam intersects the limb plane. That was explained to me by "Ears", a VaporTrail employee and expert. If the rest blade stays up too long move the cable towards the axle, if it's dropping away too quickly, move away from the axle. I've been on the podium many times in Target, Field, and 3D events, all with VaporTrail rests. I would be happy to send you pictures of different setups if you think that might help.
After watching this video I purchased the Loop Wedge. Very happy I did. This is a cheap investment for you to add to your archery tools! Having the ability to create consistent D-Loops and replace D-Loops is a time and money saver!
Great video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Mr. Braden.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another awesome video.
Thanks again!
Do the same test with a 600gr. The results are far more dramatic. If you are shooting a TAC event and trying to reach 120yds you might need all the up time you can get so your arrow will clear the scope. The distance of drop is far more dramatic when you compare a fall away against a fixed rest. I shot a 427 grain arrow at 270fps off a Bodoodle Zapper, then installed a QAD HDX and the arrow dropped 3 inches. I have also noticed you can run into tuning problems with minimal up time. Great video, sadly this doesn’t get shown or seen enough. Every time i see a Hamskea tied to the saddle of a split yoke bus cable on a Mathews or PSE I shake my head.
My epsilon was tied to the yoke instead of the limb by my local bow shop. Why is this bad?
@@brandonnguyen3442 Slow motion video has shown the violent movement of the cables can cause the rest launcher to rebound and contact the fletching. Testing was done by Lancaster Archery.
Blade arrow rests are the best for pinpoint accuracy, a properly installed and tuned blade rest does not contact the fletchings of the arrow. They probably don't work well with 4 fletchings, but 3 is perfect. Thats why they are the most popular rest used in target where millimeters count on where you hit that target. The problem is that they don't contain the arrow, and the arrow can easily fall off the rest, especially when you draw the bow. This makes it unsuitable for hunting. And that's where drop away rests shine. They can give the best flight off the rest without contacting the fletching, but they are way harder and finicky to set up and tune, plus the addition of moving parts. But being full containment rest, makes them very well suited for hunting and that's where you see them used the most.
Great in depth vid please share more knowledge
Thanks, will do!
Great information, thanks for sharing brother
You bet
I could nerd out for days with a shooting machine.... Seeing what my bows can already do would be really helpful, I would stop sweating the small things and just practice more.
You're right. It would be really cool to have a set up like that in my backyard!
Thank you for sharing this awesome archery Arrow rest info.. I watch many many youtube videos and none them have shared this valuable information. Just recently purchased a Custom QAD Ultra Rest Pro HDX Drop Away Rest with Bracket for my PSE TAC 15 Ordnance Crossbow Upper.. I managed to time it, yesterday test I notice the arrow rest never made contact with the Vanes , but it did noticed the arm starts to lift up withing 5" before the end of the arrow , 45 degrees within the 4" & 80 degrees @ 3" inches " on the end of the arrow. I'm glad I ran in too your video so I could Tune-up my rest so I get the best performance of my crossbow. 26.25" arrow 485 gr weight @ 405 FPS