I wonder how much carbon was added to your mix from that graphite crucible itself.
@deathsromath12 күн бұрын
Yes now everyone’s identical rounding hammers will look even more the same
@kinniealford739317 күн бұрын
Awesome.....but I can never keep my dies square.
@zebdeming20 күн бұрын
Not to be a nerd, but you are melting, not smelting. Smelting is a chemical process of reducing an ore to a metal
@CoalIronWorks19 күн бұрын
Very much welcoming of nerds here, we appreciate the correction- we're kind of new to the space :)
@zebdeming19 күн бұрын
Not a problem at all, hope my comment didn't come across as being a know it all. I've done all kinds of this stuff and if there's anything I can do to help out, I'd be more than happy to.
@chrisgriffiths253322 күн бұрын
Good Point, You No Longer Need Coal to Make Steel.
@computername22 күн бұрын
I had this process in mind for a long time. Since I couldn't really find anyone doing it, I assumed there's a snag. Now this is great, I can finally convince myself to get one of those induction heaters. Thank you so much, for sharing your technique.
@mannsdan23 күн бұрын
Game changer.
@miketruby598323 күн бұрын
Silly question here, but im curious, are induction forges to be used strictly for iron based alloys or could it be used with other metals? or just ferromagnetic metals only?
@computername22 күн бұрын
From memory - with non-ferrous metals a crucible is needed that interacts with the electric field. So in that case, it's the crucible heating the metal. The induction furnaces sold online for smelting come with both. Sadly I can't find the explanation now that I saw a while ago. In the ebay ads it's white (quartz?) and a black (clay graphite) one. For non-ferrous you'd have to use both together. One fits in the other.
@jeffreydauterman24 күн бұрын
Yall are freaking awesome! 😎
@shakesforge24 күн бұрын
This looks friggen good. There goes my little bit of savings :)
@Vikingblackbeard24 күн бұрын
No freaking way!
@truitesauvage413829 күн бұрын
What is te wattage when there is no piece of metal in the coil ?
@carlransdell948029 күн бұрын
Consider bagging that Kaowool in something to contain the glass fibers from floating in the air. It's similar to asbestos (deadly).
@joachimsingh292929 күн бұрын
That green stuff is chromium. Probably one of the most hazardous metal you can use. It's chromed on the outside for durability in a hydraulic shaft. In contact with air it will release hexavalent chromium.
@JoeBusic29 күн бұрын
Use the green button instead of the pedal
@timberanvil378829 күн бұрын
Been doing this since December with a 15kW (350g ingots). I use a small C-clamp on the pedal instead of a heavy weight. Nice demonstration!
@burningsky837229 күн бұрын
What kind of materials are you using for the feeder material?
@PackthatcameBackАй бұрын
For real Wootz I seem to recall that the secret ingredient was either a piece of previous Wootz steel, or some magnetite. Also, would have been great to see how the steels turned out in the end.
@buny1p967Ай бұрын
I thought it was the presence of the trace element of vanadium to get that beautiful grain structure
@burningsky837229 күн бұрын
@@buny1p967ideally yes. Vanadium is one of the strongest Carbide Forming Elements and was vital to pattern forming. However- at the time of this demo the only CFE we had on hand was Titanium (also a CFE just not commonly used).
@donaldneill4419Ай бұрын
This is incredibly cool. I had no idea you could make Wootz with an induction furnace. Well done!
@Maksim-lz3ogАй бұрын
altho keeping in the liquid phase for 10-20 min is ok, to properly form a dendrite structure, wootz vs just a piece of steel, it has to cool down slowly for about 12 to 24 hours.
@burningsky837229 күн бұрын
After a great conversation with Jin at @wootzmilitaria I have decided to build a small chamber from refractory - the size of the crucible - with the coils cast into it. Our thinking there is we need more thermal mass to slow the cooling phase down to form the dendritic structure.
@nevillesavage2012Ай бұрын
Gotta have some Vanadium in there for good patterning :)
@zebdeming20 күн бұрын
You don't need vanadium, you just need a carbide forming element, which he has in this
@skash416Ай бұрын
This is awesome content! Keep it up fellas!
@joachimsingh2929Ай бұрын
Make a foot pedal.
@checoleman8877Ай бұрын
Man if i had one of those id be making crucible steel out of EVERYTHING!
@burningsky837229 күн бұрын
Easily done. However I strongly suggest spending some time learning about Crucible steel and wootz. It is a very deep rabbit hole.
@checoleman887728 күн бұрын
@@burningsky8372 I've watched a lot of videos about it but that's about the only thing I have found that isn't referring to an industrial process
@checoleman8877Ай бұрын
This is awesome!!!
@carlwhite8225Ай бұрын
This is really cool, Thanks.
@ThatWorksАй бұрын
Now that's freakin awesome
@Rosewayforge29 күн бұрын
Are we going to be seeing an induction forge and wootz blades in the near future for your channel now.
@timjackson5555Ай бұрын
Great job Brett !
@toadpond101Ай бұрын
Would this process work with the Coal Iron 15kW?
@wootzmilitariaАй бұрын
15KW should be enough to make steel molten, just may take a little time
@burningsky837229 күн бұрын
This should work. You may have to adjust the charge size and/or time parameters.
@mgannottiАй бұрын
This is awesome!!!!!
@jeffreydautermanАй бұрын
This is freaking awesome!!!!
@jesseayers7933Ай бұрын
When will we see the finished blade ?
@CoalIronWorksАй бұрын
Follow @burningskyforge on instagram to follow along with the project!
@jefflyon100Ай бұрын
For some reason comments weren't turned on for you H-frame press comparison video just released. One thing I find odd in your speed test comparison is that you (arguably) miss the most important speed factor. Fast approach and retracting to your work piece is important but how fast the work get's done under pressure is completely passed over. If I was buying a press the speed the cylinder moved in the high pressure stage is as, if not more important than the speed it moves in the first stage with no load. From an advertising perspective your missing out on a huge selling point of going to a larger gpm pump and bigger motor. This is especially true for a significant part of your clientele, knife makers use these presses to make thin billets to sell to customers. I have no idea if you get your pumps custom made to untilize the full hp of the motor in the first and second stage or if you have to live with what's available on the market. If your taking what the market has to offer then your high pressure stage on your 5hp models could be well over twice the speed of lower hp units. I know i had a difficult time finding the optimum pump for my 3hp motor but I eventually did. It's not much slower than most 5hp powered pumps on the first stage and often quite a bit faster on the second stage of 5hp units. Anyways, it seems to be an overlooked area with many press buyets and builders. Many operate under the assumption that all 11 or 13gpm two stage pumps are the same. If you have your pumps made then you likely have presses that do the actual work much faster than the vast majority of non coal iron press owners. I often see 5hp two stage systems that don't untilize over half the motors available hp on the high pressure second stage.
@garrisonjasik5367Ай бұрын
Just wondering how part 2 is coming along?
@CoalIronWorksАй бұрын
Make sure you're following along with Cedarlore Forge and his youtube page for part two!
@bhaktapeter3501Ай бұрын
A33 brought me here, flutagon that is,
@carinhall4508Ай бұрын
The forbidden fleshlight
@martinmarinkovits2144Ай бұрын
Great explinations! Awesome demo! Thanks for sharing!
@kevintheshoerfastАй бұрын
With some cinnamon, I like some cinnamon on my french toast.
@juanjuarez9360Ай бұрын
🖕🏼 Rick Hinderer shove your cease and desist letters up your A$$
@superdelsol2 ай бұрын
just my luck lol. introduce a tong rack after i ordered my cart. maybe it will be available by pickup time. I can't wait to start using the press and cart combo
@homeschooledchimp9052 ай бұрын
I recently bought their 12-ton. Wish I'd held out for the 16 but the 12 works like a charm.
@CoalIronWorks2 ай бұрын
Glad you're liking the 12 Ton! Our machines really hold their value, so when you're ready to upgrade, make sure you look around for anyone looking to get a second hand 12 ton!
@blkacid2 ай бұрын
Friday night IBA Conference demo with Paul and myself; Large upset flower (I think we'll use 1.25" round stock), we might do a candle cup that we learned this past weekend, and depending on time... we might get around to doing a hammer for the auction. ;)
@Pashinski12 ай бұрын
It was great to hear this interview with Mr. King. I was fortunate enough to be at the hammer-in @ Coal Iron in December and Steve helped me make my first set of tongs at the same time he was helping Corbin. He was approachable, patient and great at explaining the processes. He was also great at communicating the importance of the order of steps. This community is amazing, and it was an experience I won't forget.
@KarlBAndersen2 ай бұрын
That is a very nicely done video. Thanks for putting that together.
@richardlacroix90692 ай бұрын
Makes my 12 ton look like a baby 👶 haha
@BamaDanKnives2 ай бұрын
Wow that is nice ! See you at Blade Show!!
@ukrainiak25922 ай бұрын
Very nice. I like the cross braces
@petersipp52472 ай бұрын
I like this.
@kamil-vg3nq2 ай бұрын
thank you for sharing the process of developing the hammer, it was really interesting and informative.
@9black9mark92 ай бұрын
They didn’t happen to mention that the process of developing the hammer was simply to read a book I wrote in 2000
@popperjon91472 ай бұрын
Awesome chat. I love to hear others' orgin stories !
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I wonder how much carbon was added to your mix from that graphite crucible itself.
Yes now everyone’s identical rounding hammers will look even more the same
Awesome.....but I can never keep my dies square.
Not to be a nerd, but you are melting, not smelting. Smelting is a chemical process of reducing an ore to a metal
Very much welcoming of nerds here, we appreciate the correction- we're kind of new to the space :)
Not a problem at all, hope my comment didn't come across as being a know it all. I've done all kinds of this stuff and if there's anything I can do to help out, I'd be more than happy to.
Good Point, You No Longer Need Coal to Make Steel.
I had this process in mind for a long time. Since I couldn't really find anyone doing it, I assumed there's a snag. Now this is great, I can finally convince myself to get one of those induction heaters. Thank you so much, for sharing your technique.
Game changer.
Silly question here, but im curious, are induction forges to be used strictly for iron based alloys or could it be used with other metals? or just ferromagnetic metals only?
From memory - with non-ferrous metals a crucible is needed that interacts with the electric field. So in that case, it's the crucible heating the metal. The induction furnaces sold online for smelting come with both. Sadly I can't find the explanation now that I saw a while ago. In the ebay ads it's white (quartz?) and a black (clay graphite) one. For non-ferrous you'd have to use both together. One fits in the other.
Yall are freaking awesome! 😎
This looks friggen good. There goes my little bit of savings :)
No freaking way!
What is te wattage when there is no piece of metal in the coil ?
Consider bagging that Kaowool in something to contain the glass fibers from floating in the air. It's similar to asbestos (deadly).
That green stuff is chromium. Probably one of the most hazardous metal you can use. It's chromed on the outside for durability in a hydraulic shaft. In contact with air it will release hexavalent chromium.
Use the green button instead of the pedal
Been doing this since December with a 15kW (350g ingots). I use a small C-clamp on the pedal instead of a heavy weight. Nice demonstration!
What kind of materials are you using for the feeder material?
For real Wootz I seem to recall that the secret ingredient was either a piece of previous Wootz steel, or some magnetite. Also, would have been great to see how the steels turned out in the end.
I thought it was the presence of the trace element of vanadium to get that beautiful grain structure
@@buny1p967ideally yes. Vanadium is one of the strongest Carbide Forming Elements and was vital to pattern forming. However- at the time of this demo the only CFE we had on hand was Titanium (also a CFE just not commonly used).
This is incredibly cool. I had no idea you could make Wootz with an induction furnace. Well done!
altho keeping in the liquid phase for 10-20 min is ok, to properly form a dendrite structure, wootz vs just a piece of steel, it has to cool down slowly for about 12 to 24 hours.
After a great conversation with Jin at @wootzmilitaria I have decided to build a small chamber from refractory - the size of the crucible - with the coils cast into it. Our thinking there is we need more thermal mass to slow the cooling phase down to form the dendritic structure.
Gotta have some Vanadium in there for good patterning :)
You don't need vanadium, you just need a carbide forming element, which he has in this
This is awesome content! Keep it up fellas!
Make a foot pedal.
Man if i had one of those id be making crucible steel out of EVERYTHING!
Easily done. However I strongly suggest spending some time learning about Crucible steel and wootz. It is a very deep rabbit hole.
@@burningsky8372 I've watched a lot of videos about it but that's about the only thing I have found that isn't referring to an industrial process
This is awesome!!!
This is really cool, Thanks.
Now that's freakin awesome
Are we going to be seeing an induction forge and wootz blades in the near future for your channel now.
Great job Brett !
Would this process work with the Coal Iron 15kW?
15KW should be enough to make steel molten, just may take a little time
This should work. You may have to adjust the charge size and/or time parameters.
This is awesome!!!!!
This is freaking awesome!!!!
When will we see the finished blade ?
Follow @burningskyforge on instagram to follow along with the project!
For some reason comments weren't turned on for you H-frame press comparison video just released. One thing I find odd in your speed test comparison is that you (arguably) miss the most important speed factor. Fast approach and retracting to your work piece is important but how fast the work get's done under pressure is completely passed over. If I was buying a press the speed the cylinder moved in the high pressure stage is as, if not more important than the speed it moves in the first stage with no load. From an advertising perspective your missing out on a huge selling point of going to a larger gpm pump and bigger motor. This is especially true for a significant part of your clientele, knife makers use these presses to make thin billets to sell to customers. I have no idea if you get your pumps custom made to untilize the full hp of the motor in the first and second stage or if you have to live with what's available on the market. If your taking what the market has to offer then your high pressure stage on your 5hp models could be well over twice the speed of lower hp units. I know i had a difficult time finding the optimum pump for my 3hp motor but I eventually did. It's not much slower than most 5hp powered pumps on the first stage and often quite a bit faster on the second stage of 5hp units. Anyways, it seems to be an overlooked area with many press buyets and builders. Many operate under the assumption that all 11 or 13gpm two stage pumps are the same. If you have your pumps made then you likely have presses that do the actual work much faster than the vast majority of non coal iron press owners. I often see 5hp two stage systems that don't untilize over half the motors available hp on the high pressure second stage.
Just wondering how part 2 is coming along?
Make sure you're following along with Cedarlore Forge and his youtube page for part two!
A33 brought me here, flutagon that is,
The forbidden fleshlight
Great explinations! Awesome demo! Thanks for sharing!
With some cinnamon, I like some cinnamon on my french toast.
🖕🏼 Rick Hinderer shove your cease and desist letters up your A$$
just my luck lol. introduce a tong rack after i ordered my cart. maybe it will be available by pickup time. I can't wait to start using the press and cart combo
I recently bought their 12-ton. Wish I'd held out for the 16 but the 12 works like a charm.
Glad you're liking the 12 Ton! Our machines really hold their value, so when you're ready to upgrade, make sure you look around for anyone looking to get a second hand 12 ton!
Friday night IBA Conference demo with Paul and myself; Large upset flower (I think we'll use 1.25" round stock), we might do a candle cup that we learned this past weekend, and depending on time... we might get around to doing a hammer for the auction. ;)
It was great to hear this interview with Mr. King. I was fortunate enough to be at the hammer-in @ Coal Iron in December and Steve helped me make my first set of tongs at the same time he was helping Corbin. He was approachable, patient and great at explaining the processes. He was also great at communicating the importance of the order of steps. This community is amazing, and it was an experience I won't forget.
That is a very nicely done video. Thanks for putting that together.
Makes my 12 ton look like a baby 👶 haha
Wow that is nice ! See you at Blade Show!!
Very nice. I like the cross braces
I like this.
thank you for sharing the process of developing the hammer, it was really interesting and informative.
They didn’t happen to mention that the process of developing the hammer was simply to read a book I wrote in 2000
Awesome chat. I love to hear others' orgin stories !
Indian rupees this machine price