Welcome to TMDesign, where I share projects and explorations related to my interests in design, machining, art, electronics, F360, and my ongoing home ATC CNC router build (Onefinity Woodworker CNC + Masso G3 controller + Jianken ISO20 ATC spindle).
HaHa😀I forgot the TV was on in the background - I was too focused on holding my phone camera while trying to get my Fusion assembly to move the way I wanted it to😁 Maybe I will look for screen capture software to record such screen motion in the future.
@bransonlariscy466023 күн бұрын
Are you using the masso controler? I was wondering if your spindle has a pnp sensor to verify the tool is chucked and how you hooked it up?
@tmtoronto374123 күн бұрын
I am using a Masso G3 controller and Jianken ATC spindle, which ships PNP standard. Cables 11 and 22 are 3 wire - brown=10-30VDC, blue=0VDC, black +VDC to Masso input. I am using linear tool change type 2 logic. I believe I have 11 assigned Tool change Input 2, and 22 assigned as Tool changer Input 1 (If my memory is wrong then just reverse 11 and 22).
@bransonlariscy46606 күн бұрын
@@tmtoronto3741 I have the same Jianken spindle. I just finished getting the motors and spindle hooked where where the machine will run. I haven't started messing with the tool changer yet, I'm a little confused on how it all works coming from Mach3 where you could write a scripted for what you want it to do and how to utilize sensors etc. what do you mean by using " I am using linear tool change type 2 logic" can you write you own logic with this controller or is there pre programed logic? Thanks for the info!
@tmtoronto37416 күн бұрын
@@bransonlariscy4660 no, Masso does not have an option for users to write their own macros, scripts, etc. - it is a fairly closed system, which I suppose has advantages and disadvantages. The logic I am referring to is described in their online manual. They are constantly updating and improving their software, and recently introduced options for a few new tool change types. The logic is set by Masso, and controls things like clamp/unclamp, dust shoe/tool tray up and down, etc - basically different inputs and outputs controlling actions of different components based on a few use cases and machine setups and sensors. This is my first CNC, and I came to this hobby a few years ago with no past experience, so have nothing to compare the controller to. I found the tool change setup straightforward, and for my build I found a tool change logic that did what I needed it to do. There are a few options I would like to see added - and if you do as well Masso does respond to user feedback and feature requests.
@williamnorris151625 күн бұрын
Hi mate I always enjoy your videos and the way your mind works, everything you do is precise and clinical and I appreciate the way you work through things, cheers for posting the video regards Bill
@tmtoronto374125 күн бұрын
Thank you again Bill for the thoughtful feedback - I appreciate it.
@pretendaАй бұрын
This is a really cool idea. Thanks for sharing!
@tmtoronto3741Ай бұрын
Thank you. It works well. Next step is to calibrate the camera to focus on the exact spot regardless of Z height - not an easy task because of the way these cameras are manufactured. When successful, I will use it instead of my spot laser to accurately set XY zero of stock (I have a 3D probe for when I need micron-ish precision).
@craigjohnson5189Ай бұрын
Awesome curtain design. Just wondering what you used for a spring?
@tmtoronto3741Ай бұрын
I purchased spiral flat wire coil constant force springs. I found some for a reasonable price on Aliexpress.
@craigjohnson5189Ай бұрын
@@tmtoronto3741 Thanks for the quick reply! Sorry to be a pain but do you happen to know what thickness you used? I found a few and am thinking of doing some similar to you. Cheers
@tmtoronto3741Ай бұрын
@@craigjohnson5189 you are not being a pain (-: Here is the store link - www.aliexpress.com/item/4000310913714.html?gps-id=pcStoreLeaderboard&scm=1007.22922.271278.0&scm_id=1007.22922.271278.0&scm-url=1007.22922.271278.0&pvid=8441d942-eb90-40a2-a06d-ea61f8649818&_t=gps-id:pcStoreLeaderboard,scm-url:1007.22922.271278.0,pvid:8441d942-eb90-40a2-a06d-ea61f8649818,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238112%231997&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21CAD%2110.22%2110.22%21%21%217.30%217.30%21%402101e58b17129111345716659eb9c8%2112000027272554377%21rec%21CA%212566286070%21&spm=a2g0o.store_pc_home.smartLeaderboard_833793140.4000310913714 I purchased two sizes, but found the 0.2x12.7x3700mm size seemed to be the best with respect to force and travel distance for this application (Woodworker model).
@roblmurphy41352 ай бұрын
I"ve only gotten as far as the goals, and I'm already hooked on the plot. #9 is my grail; the machines I work on at the day job amaze me with their lack of attention to ... "rack" for want of the right word.
@tmtoronto37412 ай бұрын
Don't stop there!😄Goal #9 was important, and had influence on the linear motion components I selected. I only added an extra ~20 mm over the stock Z20 Onefinity mount. It was definitely worth the time and money as my new assembly is so much more rigid, and affords a lot more flexibility in available accessory mounting options.
@roblmurphy41352 ай бұрын
@@tmtoronto3741 full video was worth the wait; I'll be following your lead as I modify my Onefinity. Since I'm waiting on a truck I ordered before I pull the trigger on the Foreman, I'm designing peripherals. (one number I have not definitively established is the Z; travel, and deepest point)
@tmtoronto37412 ай бұрын
@@roblmurphy4135 thank you! Although I like the Onefinity, I would encourage you to look at another small Canadian CNC company (Sienci Labs out of Kitchener, ON) that just launched a new CNC called the 'Altmill'. I really like the design - probably would have bought it if available 2+ years ago. There is a wait though.
@roblmurphy41352 ай бұрын
@@tmtoronto3741 I'm looking at the Altmill, biting back my initial bias, (it happens to the best of us) and comparing fruit to bananas. Weird how one detil gets in my craw; I like the Onefinity, but I prefer to have the long rails mounted below the level of the spoilboard. I know, of all the aspects to decide a multi thousand doughnut purchase... I was following your videos to learn about the spindle. Still tempted by the RapidChange ATC. So far nobody has screamed foul. Keep going, you're doing a great service.
@tmtoronto37412 ай бұрын
@@roblmurphy4135 I like machines designed like that as well, but I think that adds cost, as the structure and precision of the frame takes on a greater importance. I think Onefinity did a good job of providing a reasonably rigid design at a reasonable entry level price point. Besides the Altmill, most other well built entry level machines jump to a next level pricing tier. I think that is a difficult category, as some small start-ups/business owners may just decide to jump to the more commercial $15-20K CNCs.
@gbguad2 ай бұрын
So Impressive, which CAM software are you using?
@tmtoronto37412 ай бұрын
Thank you for your interest and kind words. I am using the free version of Fusion for CAD and CAM.
@MargieCoffell24 күн бұрын
NX怎么样 我有7年工作经验
@BlackBearCustomKydex2 ай бұрын
Did you mill this plate with the X-50 or simply FOR the X-50?
@tmtoronto37412 ай бұрын
Both, if I understand your question. I have a Woodworker X50 with 3rd rail. The plate, and completed Z axis assembly I designed, is going to replace the current stock Z20 Z axis. I am almost ready to share a video update of it - I have it installed now and almost calibrated. The Z heights are different, so I will need to reconfigure my ATC rack, but may wait until I finish initial test cuts before doing that.
@BlackBearCustomKydex2 ай бұрын
@@tmtoronto3741 excellent! I should have clarified that I was asking if the video was of your X-50 making the plate or if you were using another machine to cut it. I've got an X-35 and, while I do love it, I feel I'm nearing its limitations when it comes to cutting aluminum. I don't trust the motors to carry a spindle, and even they could provide adequate power, I worry that the rails would allow too much deflection to prove out the meaningful differences between spindle and router. So I suppose I'll just keep going slow and steady until I can afford a truly substantial machine upgrade.
@tmtoronto37412 ай бұрын
@@BlackBearCustomKydex my machine never had the original motors as I installed 3Nm steppers from the start. I agree about the deflection, and although a fairly rigid and well designed machine, the Onefinity is set up more for the Makita. I will share some new deflection data in my next video showing the installation and testing of my new Z axis, but I can tell you from initial impressions that the overall design of tubes and linear bearings is now the weak point - and that will not change no matter what mods I make. I will say that my interest has now shifted to the new Altmill from Sienci. It is the kind of CNC router I would build, and it looks very capable. The first batch ships soon, and I am looking forward to real user reviews to start coming in. Check out the company videos if interested - it is not a Bridgeport, but looks like a very versatile machine for home/small business use.
@wiremonkeyshop2 ай бұрын
Wow, solid. The needle bouncing is I'm sure, just vibration. This is the Onefinity? Which model?
@tmtoronto37412 ай бұрын
I have the Woodworker model upgraded to the X50 with 3rd rail. I just finished installing my new Z Axis assembly, and after tramming and fine tuning will once again test deflection. I did a deep dive into this a while ago, and posted the data in the Onefinity forum. Although a very capable machine for a CNC router, my testing showed <1 Nm/um. I am keeping my eye open for user reviews of the Sienci Altmill which will start shipping out soon. It would be the next CNC router I would probably purchase, if nothing else other than to compare it to my Onefinity.
@LavinWoodworks2 ай бұрын
Would you have a link to your spindle?
@tmtoronto37412 ай бұрын
It is an ATC model from Jian-ken - from the JGL series. It is an 80 mm 24K RPM 2.2 Kw water-cooled spindle. Here is the company link - www.jian-ken.com/
@zforcer72562 ай бұрын
how are you fairing with slotting? I've opted for adaptive clearing a slot a little larger than the tool diameter just cause my machine isn't very rigid
@tmtoronto37412 ай бұрын
Slotting is not my first choice, but with very shallow DOC, monitoring and adjusting feed rate and RPM, and plenty of air to evacuate chips it actually worked quite well. I also like adaptive, and used it for my plates - I just today finished the top plate and the adaptive worked very well. In the past I would have used one of my saws to get the stock to a size closer to my part, then used contours mostly after that. But I don't have a shop, and found the chips are better contained on my CNC than in my back yard or basement where they used to fly everywhere (-:
@williamnorris15162 ай бұрын
@@tmtoronto3741 Hi yeh well we all know the pit falls to slotting But I have been 6mm and 8mm slotting 6061 alloy to an 8mm depth using ramping with great results using mist coolant and air blast also wood to 20mm deep though it get harder to clear the chips after 17mm, thanks for putting out this video Cheers Bill from Australia
@tmtoronto37412 ай бұрын
@@williamnorris1516 I appreciate the kind words! Speaking of slotting, in my last video put up yesterday, I share a clip of an 'oops' moment where I chose not to run a simulation - which I always do BTW. At the finish of a 2D adaptive at 4 mm DOC my 1/4" O Flute finished plowed through to position the start of the next pocket. I hit Feed Hold quickly, and nothing broke, and it gave me a great slo-mo shot to share of the chips flying at ~ the 4:33 minute mark in the video! How we learn ...
@williamnorris15162 ай бұрын
@@tmtoronto3741 yes it's always the one time you don't check the simulation that shit happens ha ha I will check out your latest Video Cheers Bill
@roblmurphy41353 ай бұрын
Over n the Onefinity forum, a fellow was greasing his system, and had to remove the spindle to access the fitting! Have you mitigated this issue with your design? Because yeah, I'll copy it.😀
@roblmurphy41353 ай бұрын
Scratch that; I'm following along on that thread over at the forum. Thank you for blazing the path.
@roblmurphy41353 ай бұрын
Okay, first thing: you clearly documented the process. That may not win more converts, but for those of us who do this for a living; that is awesome. Thank you for making it clear, what you did, what you got, what you did about that. I want to produce similar projects; a sign for my shop, a card for my wallet, the tools with which I publish the book, and actually print the jacket. That sort of detail. Thanks.
@roblmurphy41353 ай бұрын
Wait, run that by me again? .8mm passes, consistent across the project? (Okay, it's a small project, but the point is, getting those numbers convinces me to invest in the elite Onefinity... I'd already set my sights on it, but yeah. My previous attempt at CNC using a primitive Shopbot, didn't come close. It was like crayons at arms length.
@tmtoronto37413 ай бұрын
Thank you for the feedback. It takes a long time to produce the videos, but since I learned almost everything about CNCs and machining from others willing to share content, I am happy to as well if it helps others.
@emostorm73 ай бұрын
@@roblmurphy4135cool, but he isn't using an a elite just fyi ;)
@carlslater74923 ай бұрын
Hey here TmToronto ... what does your Z gantry do for Z travel? I am finding another 3-6" would be nice.
@tmtoronto37413 ай бұрын
Hi! I forgot to add that info to the description - it was one reason for me designing the new assembly. I have my Y rails on 80 mm extrusions. The distance from the bottom of the X axis block to the top of my cast aluminum table is about 210 mm. With my design, my longest end mill (stick-out of ~50 mm from ISO20 holder) will reach down ~3 cm above the table - not a problem as I use fixture plates etc... that are well above the table. When fully raised this same end mill will clear/be above the bottom of the X axis block. I measured my new total Z spindle travel to be ~180 mm (~7"). I am happy with that as a few extra centimetres in my machine design makes a difference, and more importantly it is providing a much more robust double spindle mount.
@roblmurphy41354 ай бұрын
Seriously? All that skill, all that expensive equipment, and I know you can make birds, but a coffee bean? 😄
@roblmurphy41354 ай бұрын
I'm still watching every video you've made because there's so much to learn, thanks.
@tmtoronto37414 ай бұрын
We are a family of coffee lovers! The small ones are for kitchen décor, but really just a test for a larger version that will be hollow with a lid - it will hold a pound of coffee beans. I have it modelled in F360, but need to order extra long reach endmills.
@tmtoronto37414 ай бұрын
@@roblmurphy4135 Thank you - I am happy you like them!
@roblmurphy41354 ай бұрын
I love the informative format. As a pro with years in it, watching the machine cut is not why I'm here. Your notes and descriptions are. But hey! Do you have a store? Those birds are tweet!
@tmtoronto37414 ай бұрын
Thank you for the positive feedback, I appreciate it. It takes a fair bit of time to put together the videos, but I enjoy it, especially if it helps others. I am relatively new to CNC machining, and much of what I have learned thus far has been from others willing to make the time to share either through forum support or informative videos. As for the birds, I am currently making them to give to family, but hope to soon start selling them if the interest is there. The challenge is to find the right platform, and decide on a price that fairly compensates me for the cost of exotic woods and other materials used, as well as the time for set-up, machining, and finishing steps. I will say I am pleased with how they are turning out.
@roblmurphy41354 ай бұрын
@@tmtoronto3741 Just as I suspected; you're good at what you do, total noob to sales. Bless you. Your bird sculptures are worth making a product out of, but you've got more up your sleeve than you know. I'm in similar shoes, or slippers, and trying to figure out how to do it. I'll study your videos and applaud you for what I learn. Stay the course, you're on a good path.
@tmtoronto37414 ай бұрын
@@roblmurphy4135 Thank you!
@ThetaPower5 ай бұрын
That was very helpful. Thank you. I ordered the charcoal firm
@tmtoronto37415 ай бұрын
Thank you for the feedback - happy it helped!
@carlslater74926 ай бұрын
Very nice ... what is the tool holder?
@tmtoronto37416 ай бұрын
My ATC uses ISO20 toolholders. I have been buying G2.0-2.5 holders, and use endmill type (one size) 5 micron TIR precision collets. I plan to do other toolpath tests as well, particularly since my plan is to design and machine my own Z assembly with linear rails and ball screw/nut of known specifications. I will be curious to see if my deflection test results change in any significant way.
@solafidedesignskc7 ай бұрын
Great Job man!
@tmtoronto37417 ай бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate the positive comment.😃
@josepha44717 ай бұрын
😝 Promo SM
@tmtoronto37417 ай бұрын
Tnx!
@williamnorris15167 ай бұрын
Great video are you warming up the spindle at the same time ? Cheers Bill
@tmtoronto37417 ай бұрын
Tnx. I have two other warmup routines, one spindle warm up only, and the other is as shown in the video that also has the spindle warmup running at the same time. As you can imagine there are many opinions as to whether warmup routines of any kind are needed for a setup like mine, but I feel it can't hurt.
@williamnorris151610 ай бұрын
Working on way / ball screw protection is worth the effort I was surprised with how good the surface finish was considering the amount of unsupported overhang you had I have tried to get away with this in the past with poor results till I used supporting jacks then all went well keep up the good work I enjoy your videos Cheers Bill
@tmtoronto374110 ай бұрын
I agree as well (and why I decided to mention my 'unconventional' work holding method in my video text). I think the mod vise and thickness of aluminum stock helped. one idea I had, were I to make more sets of these, is to machine the holes and pocket on all of them while in the vise (none of these have critical tolerances), then use the holes to bolt the aluminum stock onto my fixture plate for the finish contours. This worked well for tool rack project, which also had a protective layer of acrylic over the fixture plate. I am happy you enjoy the videos. They take a lot of time to produce, but I like sharing, and it gives me an audio visual record as reference for how well (or not) the toolpaths are working.
@carlslater749210 ай бұрын
So the question is how well does it work? Still waiting on mine, but this looks very promising.
@tmtoronto374110 ай бұрын
I agree, and am interested to find out. One thing I like about this design is that I do not lose any X axis travel at either end, as this is important for both homing, but also to be able to access all 24 tool slots in my new linear tool rack. Installation is also very simple.
@carlslater749210 ай бұрын
@@tmtoronto3741 24 tool slots ... Sent me off to look at how many the G3 supported... 100 tools! My piggy bank is not that deep. Assuming you don't put the 3D probe or the dial indicator in the rack, how many tools are comfortable to work with? 6?, 12? or all 24?
@tmtoronto374110 ай бұрын
@@carlslater7492 I remember a few years ago when I first considered CNC machining as a hobby, the advise and information shared on the many forums I frequented. One that always stood out was 'remember to consider the cost of tooling, it can add up to more than your CNC cost'. It is an investment for sure, but one I wanted in order to take full advantage of my ATC. Using my roll way cover project as a recent example, for all the parts and toolpaths I used: Datron 5mm 4 in 1 Datron 4.2 mm drill Datron 5 mm drill 90 degree chamfer endmill Spetool 1/4" O flute SCT threadmill If I wanted a better surface finish (it was already very good though), I have 2 and 3 flute endmills for that. Additionally, I have surfacing endmills for wood and aluminum, a diamond drag tool, 1/8" and 1/4" (plus metric) cut diameters, and some endmills dedicated to a particular material (I bought a new Datron 4 in 1 just for acrylic), and some with and without coatings. So the short answer is I am using all 24😁 but it really depends on what I (you) plan to machine. It wasn't until a few months ago that I really started gaining confidence in my abilities, and with that came more complex projects and therefore a greater variety of tooling used. My suggestion is to build the largest tool rack possible, and fill the slots as needs change and budget allows.
@adambergendorff270210 ай бұрын
looks like a great solution to shipping a fragile piece!
@tmtoronto374110 ай бұрын
Thank you, I think it will work very well. The experience has given me more appreciation for the time and cost involved for businesses to provide some of the quality packaging I have received items in over the years.
@williamnorris151610 ай бұрын
HI Bill hear from Australia Thanks for such a detailed video as this is what I will have to sort out with my Jianken ATC spindle and Masso controller as well, not sure I will go 24 tool holders as I may not have the room possibly 16 yet to cross that bridge . Did you 3d print the holders ? now that you have the pick up height sorted do you feel that they need to be spring loaded ? just thinking how I would make mine some, people seem to just have some flex in there holder plate anyway lots of time to think on that . A big thank you for posting this video cheers Bill
@tmtoronto374110 ай бұрын
Hello from Canada. I am happy you found the video helpful. I designed both this and my previous version of spring loaded holders, and the main components are 3D printed. Even though the initial testing went well, I may still modify the tool change height to allow for a bit of push on the holder, so the spring action will still be of benefit. Our spindles use a gripper clamp, vs ball bearing and sleeve, and I want to avoid wear on the action when the pull stud is grabbed too far down the four gripper arms. Here is an image of how it works - highspeedtechnologies.com/portfolio/cms-brembana/cms-brembana-spindle-repair-and-rebuild_gripper-assembly-cut-away/#iLightbox[postimages]/0 Jianken also sent a picture and video of the clamp and mechanism when I enquired about it. I found when setting up my previous tool holders, that it does not take much height difference to go from clamping to getting an error if clamping happens to high. Having the spring means I can avoid any issue with clamping errors by making it safe to have a lower pickup height, knowing the spring avoids any wear or damage to the holder or rack. I built my rack using aluminum extrusion and 5 mm thick sheet for rigidity, so it has no give at all. Enjoy your build adventure. Tom
@williamnorris151610 ай бұрын
@@tmtoronto3741 Thanks Tom that's something I did not know ok I will do spring loaded holders as well regards Bill
@tmtoronto374110 ай бұрын
@@williamnorris1516 it is just something I wanted to do, partly because of the movement I always see when watching videos of CNCs dropping/removing toolholders from those plastic forks. I only ever remember seeing one commercial machine - European I think - that used a tool rack with spring assisted holders (for the vertical movements not side to side, as I have seen some forks for larger CAT tools that use springs in the fork arms). You are correct though in your initial statements - it sure looks like my video makes them appear to be functionally unnecessary (-:
@williamnorris151610 ай бұрын
@@tmtoronto3741 Yes the movement is mesmerizing and I love watching as well I have a piece of 6061 alloy 1000mm x 200 mm x 12 mm that I will use looks like I can also get two rows of 12 tool holders, what spacing are your holes and would you share the file to print the holder I can give you my email if that works better for you thanks Bill
@tmtoronto374110 ай бұрын
@@williamnorris1516 if you have the same spindle as I do, which has an outer diameter of 80 mm, then the smallest spacing I calculated was about 55 mm - I used a spacing of 60 mm in all directions on mine. If you have a larger spindle, this will be different as the diameter of it and its tool holders will be larger. I am happy to share my file - I work in F360. You will need to modify it as my plate was 5 mm thick, and yours is 12. Please share your email and we can continue this and future discussions that way. Tom
@williamnorris151610 ай бұрын
Sorry just noticed on one of you other videos that you are can you give me any imfomation on how you hooked up the Jianken tool change sensor I could give you my email I really need some help with this Many thanks Bill
@tmtoronto374110 ай бұрын
Sorry for the delayed response. I am happy to help if I can. What stage are you at currently?
@williamnorris151610 ай бұрын
@@tmtoronto3741 Hi thanks for getting back to me still trying to get a clear and precise picture on how to wire the two spindle clamp signal wires to the Masso so is one for clamp/unclamp as in Hi / low signal and the other for tool in place signal or is one signal wire for clamp and the other signal wire for unclamp . Signal wires are inputs I assume Masso triggers the 24 volt to the sensors via relays from outputs just need to be clear don't want to damage the Masso Ok many thanks regards Bill
@williamnorris151610 ай бұрын
Hi i have just found your post on the Masso forum that answers all of this for me ok thanks Bill
@tmtoronto374110 ай бұрын
@@williamnorris1516 no problem. I wasn't sure if that was you, or another Jianken owner - there are more and more of us now! let me know how things work out, and if more information is needed.
@williamnorris151610 ай бұрын
Your machine is cutting really well I take it tha'ts a Jianken Spindle are you using a Masso controller ?
@tmtoronto374110 ай бұрын
So far it is working quite well. I am using a Masso G3 controller and Onefinity Woodworker CNC router. I am new to machining, but have learned that with realistic and conservative toolpath parameters this system is very repeatable and accurate.
@carlslater749211 ай бұрын
Tom, it seems you are everywhere. So the Datron bit, you are the second CNC'r I have seen using it. What speeds are you running with that? Are you pleased with the results?
@tmtoronto374111 ай бұрын
I think it appears I am everywhere as I recently decided to make my YT and IG accounts public😁 Now that my build and mods are complete (mostly) and I am making things I thought I would share beyond my regular forum posts. As for Datron tooling, I chose them to try based on their focus on high speed/RPM tooling, as well as what I hope is quality design and carbide. They also are metric, which is what I prefer to work in, so for example it was easy for me to order a 4.2mm drill for my M5 threaded holes. I am still - very - new to machining, so everything I do is an experiment, and based on as much research as I can do. Time will tell if Datron, and my toolpaths and parameters, are acceptable - but so far I am very pleased. With respect to the drilling operation, I experimented with 18 000 RPM and a chip breaking strategy - 0.5 mm peck depth, 5 mm before full retract, chip break distance 0.15 mm. I may change this as I learn more, but for all I do I try to stay on the conservative side, given my lack of experience.
@susannecork601111 ай бұрын
super cool Thom!
@tmtoronto374111 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@garydavis964 Жыл бұрын
Impressive!
@tmtoronto3741 Жыл бұрын
To be honest I did not think it would be possible.
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HaHa😀I forgot the TV was on in the background - I was too focused on holding my phone camera while trying to get my Fusion assembly to move the way I wanted it to😁 Maybe I will look for screen capture software to record such screen motion in the future.
Are you using the masso controler? I was wondering if your spindle has a pnp sensor to verify the tool is chucked and how you hooked it up?
I am using a Masso G3 controller and Jianken ATC spindle, which ships PNP standard. Cables 11 and 22 are 3 wire - brown=10-30VDC, blue=0VDC, black +VDC to Masso input. I am using linear tool change type 2 logic. I believe I have 11 assigned Tool change Input 2, and 22 assigned as Tool changer Input 1 (If my memory is wrong then just reverse 11 and 22).
@@tmtoronto3741 I have the same Jianken spindle. I just finished getting the motors and spindle hooked where where the machine will run. I haven't started messing with the tool changer yet, I'm a little confused on how it all works coming from Mach3 where you could write a scripted for what you want it to do and how to utilize sensors etc. what do you mean by using " I am using linear tool change type 2 logic" can you write you own logic with this controller or is there pre programed logic? Thanks for the info!
@@bransonlariscy4660 no, Masso does not have an option for users to write their own macros, scripts, etc. - it is a fairly closed system, which I suppose has advantages and disadvantages. The logic I am referring to is described in their online manual. They are constantly updating and improving their software, and recently introduced options for a few new tool change types. The logic is set by Masso, and controls things like clamp/unclamp, dust shoe/tool tray up and down, etc - basically different inputs and outputs controlling actions of different components based on a few use cases and machine setups and sensors. This is my first CNC, and I came to this hobby a few years ago with no past experience, so have nothing to compare the controller to. I found the tool change setup straightforward, and for my build I found a tool change logic that did what I needed it to do. There are a few options I would like to see added - and if you do as well Masso does respond to user feedback and feature requests.
Hi mate I always enjoy your videos and the way your mind works, everything you do is precise and clinical and I appreciate the way you work through things, cheers for posting the video regards Bill
Thank you again Bill for the thoughtful feedback - I appreciate it.
This is a really cool idea. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you. It works well. Next step is to calibrate the camera to focus on the exact spot regardless of Z height - not an easy task because of the way these cameras are manufactured. When successful, I will use it instead of my spot laser to accurately set XY zero of stock (I have a 3D probe for when I need micron-ish precision).
Awesome curtain design. Just wondering what you used for a spring?
I purchased spiral flat wire coil constant force springs. I found some for a reasonable price on Aliexpress.
@@tmtoronto3741 Thanks for the quick reply! Sorry to be a pain but do you happen to know what thickness you used? I found a few and am thinking of doing some similar to you. Cheers
@@craigjohnson5189 you are not being a pain (-: Here is the store link - www.aliexpress.com/item/4000310913714.html?gps-id=pcStoreLeaderboard&scm=1007.22922.271278.0&scm_id=1007.22922.271278.0&scm-url=1007.22922.271278.0&pvid=8441d942-eb90-40a2-a06d-ea61f8649818&_t=gps-id:pcStoreLeaderboard,scm-url:1007.22922.271278.0,pvid:8441d942-eb90-40a2-a06d-ea61f8649818,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238112%231997&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21CAD%2110.22%2110.22%21%21%217.30%217.30%21%402101e58b17129111345716659eb9c8%2112000027272554377%21rec%21CA%212566286070%21&spm=a2g0o.store_pc_home.smartLeaderboard_833793140.4000310913714 I purchased two sizes, but found the 0.2x12.7x3700mm size seemed to be the best with respect to force and travel distance for this application (Woodworker model).
I"ve only gotten as far as the goals, and I'm already hooked on the plot. #9 is my grail; the machines I work on at the day job amaze me with their lack of attention to ... "rack" for want of the right word.
Don't stop there!😄Goal #9 was important, and had influence on the linear motion components I selected. I only added an extra ~20 mm over the stock Z20 Onefinity mount. It was definitely worth the time and money as my new assembly is so much more rigid, and affords a lot more flexibility in available accessory mounting options.
@@tmtoronto3741 full video was worth the wait; I'll be following your lead as I modify my Onefinity. Since I'm waiting on a truck I ordered before I pull the trigger on the Foreman, I'm designing peripherals. (one number I have not definitively established is the Z; travel, and deepest point)
@@roblmurphy4135 thank you! Although I like the Onefinity, I would encourage you to look at another small Canadian CNC company (Sienci Labs out of Kitchener, ON) that just launched a new CNC called the 'Altmill'. I really like the design - probably would have bought it if available 2+ years ago. There is a wait though.
@@tmtoronto3741 I'm looking at the Altmill, biting back my initial bias, (it happens to the best of us) and comparing fruit to bananas. Weird how one detil gets in my craw; I like the Onefinity, but I prefer to have the long rails mounted below the level of the spoilboard. I know, of all the aspects to decide a multi thousand doughnut purchase... I was following your videos to learn about the spindle. Still tempted by the RapidChange ATC. So far nobody has screamed foul. Keep going, you're doing a great service.
@@roblmurphy4135 I like machines designed like that as well, but I think that adds cost, as the structure and precision of the frame takes on a greater importance. I think Onefinity did a good job of providing a reasonably rigid design at a reasonable entry level price point. Besides the Altmill, most other well built entry level machines jump to a next level pricing tier. I think that is a difficult category, as some small start-ups/business owners may just decide to jump to the more commercial $15-20K CNCs.
So Impressive, which CAM software are you using?
Thank you for your interest and kind words. I am using the free version of Fusion for CAD and CAM.
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Did you mill this plate with the X-50 or simply FOR the X-50?
Both, if I understand your question. I have a Woodworker X50 with 3rd rail. The plate, and completed Z axis assembly I designed, is going to replace the current stock Z20 Z axis. I am almost ready to share a video update of it - I have it installed now and almost calibrated. The Z heights are different, so I will need to reconfigure my ATC rack, but may wait until I finish initial test cuts before doing that.
@@tmtoronto3741 excellent! I should have clarified that I was asking if the video was of your X-50 making the plate or if you were using another machine to cut it. I've got an X-35 and, while I do love it, I feel I'm nearing its limitations when it comes to cutting aluminum. I don't trust the motors to carry a spindle, and even they could provide adequate power, I worry that the rails would allow too much deflection to prove out the meaningful differences between spindle and router. So I suppose I'll just keep going slow and steady until I can afford a truly substantial machine upgrade.
@@BlackBearCustomKydex my machine never had the original motors as I installed 3Nm steppers from the start. I agree about the deflection, and although a fairly rigid and well designed machine, the Onefinity is set up more for the Makita. I will share some new deflection data in my next video showing the installation and testing of my new Z axis, but I can tell you from initial impressions that the overall design of tubes and linear bearings is now the weak point - and that will not change no matter what mods I make. I will say that my interest has now shifted to the new Altmill from Sienci. It is the kind of CNC router I would build, and it looks very capable. The first batch ships soon, and I am looking forward to real user reviews to start coming in. Check out the company videos if interested - it is not a Bridgeport, but looks like a very versatile machine for home/small business use.
Wow, solid. The needle bouncing is I'm sure, just vibration. This is the Onefinity? Which model?
I have the Woodworker model upgraded to the X50 with 3rd rail. I just finished installing my new Z Axis assembly, and after tramming and fine tuning will once again test deflection. I did a deep dive into this a while ago, and posted the data in the Onefinity forum. Although a very capable machine for a CNC router, my testing showed <1 Nm/um. I am keeping my eye open for user reviews of the Sienci Altmill which will start shipping out soon. It would be the next CNC router I would probably purchase, if nothing else other than to compare it to my Onefinity.
Would you have a link to your spindle?
It is an ATC model from Jian-ken - from the JGL series. It is an 80 mm 24K RPM 2.2 Kw water-cooled spindle. Here is the company link - www.jian-ken.com/
how are you fairing with slotting? I've opted for adaptive clearing a slot a little larger than the tool diameter just cause my machine isn't very rigid
Slotting is not my first choice, but with very shallow DOC, monitoring and adjusting feed rate and RPM, and plenty of air to evacuate chips it actually worked quite well. I also like adaptive, and used it for my plates - I just today finished the top plate and the adaptive worked very well. In the past I would have used one of my saws to get the stock to a size closer to my part, then used contours mostly after that. But I don't have a shop, and found the chips are better contained on my CNC than in my back yard or basement where they used to fly everywhere (-:
@@tmtoronto3741 Hi yeh well we all know the pit falls to slotting But I have been 6mm and 8mm slotting 6061 alloy to an 8mm depth using ramping with great results using mist coolant and air blast also wood to 20mm deep though it get harder to clear the chips after 17mm, thanks for putting out this video Cheers Bill from Australia
@@williamnorris1516 I appreciate the kind words! Speaking of slotting, in my last video put up yesterday, I share a clip of an 'oops' moment where I chose not to run a simulation - which I always do BTW. At the finish of a 2D adaptive at 4 mm DOC my 1/4" O Flute finished plowed through to position the start of the next pocket. I hit Feed Hold quickly, and nothing broke, and it gave me a great slo-mo shot to share of the chips flying at ~ the 4:33 minute mark in the video! How we learn ...
@@tmtoronto3741 yes it's always the one time you don't check the simulation that shit happens ha ha I will check out your latest Video Cheers Bill
Over n the Onefinity forum, a fellow was greasing his system, and had to remove the spindle to access the fitting! Have you mitigated this issue with your design? Because yeah, I'll copy it.😀
Scratch that; I'm following along on that thread over at the forum. Thank you for blazing the path.
Okay, first thing: you clearly documented the process. That may not win more converts, but for those of us who do this for a living; that is awesome. Thank you for making it clear, what you did, what you got, what you did about that. I want to produce similar projects; a sign for my shop, a card for my wallet, the tools with which I publish the book, and actually print the jacket. That sort of detail. Thanks.
Wait, run that by me again? .8mm passes, consistent across the project? (Okay, it's a small project, but the point is, getting those numbers convinces me to invest in the elite Onefinity... I'd already set my sights on it, but yeah. My previous attempt at CNC using a primitive Shopbot, didn't come close. It was like crayons at arms length.
Thank you for the feedback. It takes a long time to produce the videos, but since I learned almost everything about CNCs and machining from others willing to share content, I am happy to as well if it helps others.
@@roblmurphy4135cool, but he isn't using an a elite just fyi ;)
Hey here TmToronto ... what does your Z gantry do for Z travel? I am finding another 3-6" would be nice.
Hi! I forgot to add that info to the description - it was one reason for me designing the new assembly. I have my Y rails on 80 mm extrusions. The distance from the bottom of the X axis block to the top of my cast aluminum table is about 210 mm. With my design, my longest end mill (stick-out of ~50 mm from ISO20 holder) will reach down ~3 cm above the table - not a problem as I use fixture plates etc... that are well above the table. When fully raised this same end mill will clear/be above the bottom of the X axis block. I measured my new total Z spindle travel to be ~180 mm (~7"). I am happy with that as a few extra centimetres in my machine design makes a difference, and more importantly it is providing a much more robust double spindle mount.
Seriously? All that skill, all that expensive equipment, and I know you can make birds, but a coffee bean? 😄
I'm still watching every video you've made because there's so much to learn, thanks.
We are a family of coffee lovers! The small ones are for kitchen décor, but really just a test for a larger version that will be hollow with a lid - it will hold a pound of coffee beans. I have it modelled in F360, but need to order extra long reach endmills.
@@roblmurphy4135 Thank you - I am happy you like them!
I love the informative format. As a pro with years in it, watching the machine cut is not why I'm here. Your notes and descriptions are. But hey! Do you have a store? Those birds are tweet!
Thank you for the positive feedback, I appreciate it. It takes a fair bit of time to put together the videos, but I enjoy it, especially if it helps others. I am relatively new to CNC machining, and much of what I have learned thus far has been from others willing to make the time to share either through forum support or informative videos. As for the birds, I am currently making them to give to family, but hope to soon start selling them if the interest is there. The challenge is to find the right platform, and decide on a price that fairly compensates me for the cost of exotic woods and other materials used, as well as the time for set-up, machining, and finishing steps. I will say I am pleased with how they are turning out.
@@tmtoronto3741 Just as I suspected; you're good at what you do, total noob to sales. Bless you. Your bird sculptures are worth making a product out of, but you've got more up your sleeve than you know. I'm in similar shoes, or slippers, and trying to figure out how to do it. I'll study your videos and applaud you for what I learn. Stay the course, you're on a good path.
@@roblmurphy4135 Thank you!
That was very helpful. Thank you. I ordered the charcoal firm
Thank you for the feedback - happy it helped!
Very nice ... what is the tool holder?
My ATC uses ISO20 toolholders. I have been buying G2.0-2.5 holders, and use endmill type (one size) 5 micron TIR precision collets. I plan to do other toolpath tests as well, particularly since my plan is to design and machine my own Z assembly with linear rails and ball screw/nut of known specifications. I will be curious to see if my deflection test results change in any significant way.
Great Job man!
Thank you! I appreciate the positive comment.😃
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Great video are you warming up the spindle at the same time ? Cheers Bill
Tnx. I have two other warmup routines, one spindle warm up only, and the other is as shown in the video that also has the spindle warmup running at the same time. As you can imagine there are many opinions as to whether warmup routines of any kind are needed for a setup like mine, but I feel it can't hurt.
Working on way / ball screw protection is worth the effort I was surprised with how good the surface finish was considering the amount of unsupported overhang you had I have tried to get away with this in the past with poor results till I used supporting jacks then all went well keep up the good work I enjoy your videos Cheers Bill
I agree as well (and why I decided to mention my 'unconventional' work holding method in my video text). I think the mod vise and thickness of aluminum stock helped. one idea I had, were I to make more sets of these, is to machine the holes and pocket on all of them while in the vise (none of these have critical tolerances), then use the holes to bolt the aluminum stock onto my fixture plate for the finish contours. This worked well for tool rack project, which also had a protective layer of acrylic over the fixture plate. I am happy you enjoy the videos. They take a lot of time to produce, but I like sharing, and it gives me an audio visual record as reference for how well (or not) the toolpaths are working.
So the question is how well does it work? Still waiting on mine, but this looks very promising.
I agree, and am interested to find out. One thing I like about this design is that I do not lose any X axis travel at either end, as this is important for both homing, but also to be able to access all 24 tool slots in my new linear tool rack. Installation is also very simple.
@@tmtoronto3741 24 tool slots ... Sent me off to look at how many the G3 supported... 100 tools! My piggy bank is not that deep. Assuming you don't put the 3D probe or the dial indicator in the rack, how many tools are comfortable to work with? 6?, 12? or all 24?
@@carlslater7492 I remember a few years ago when I first considered CNC machining as a hobby, the advise and information shared on the many forums I frequented. One that always stood out was 'remember to consider the cost of tooling, it can add up to more than your CNC cost'. It is an investment for sure, but one I wanted in order to take full advantage of my ATC. Using my roll way cover project as a recent example, for all the parts and toolpaths I used: Datron 5mm 4 in 1 Datron 4.2 mm drill Datron 5 mm drill 90 degree chamfer endmill Spetool 1/4" O flute SCT threadmill If I wanted a better surface finish (it was already very good though), I have 2 and 3 flute endmills for that. Additionally, I have surfacing endmills for wood and aluminum, a diamond drag tool, 1/8" and 1/4" (plus metric) cut diameters, and some endmills dedicated to a particular material (I bought a new Datron 4 in 1 just for acrylic), and some with and without coatings. So the short answer is I am using all 24😁 but it really depends on what I (you) plan to machine. It wasn't until a few months ago that I really started gaining confidence in my abilities, and with that came more complex projects and therefore a greater variety of tooling used. My suggestion is to build the largest tool rack possible, and fill the slots as needs change and budget allows.
looks like a great solution to shipping a fragile piece!
Thank you, I think it will work very well. The experience has given me more appreciation for the time and cost involved for businesses to provide some of the quality packaging I have received items in over the years.
HI Bill hear from Australia Thanks for such a detailed video as this is what I will have to sort out with my Jianken ATC spindle and Masso controller as well, not sure I will go 24 tool holders as I may not have the room possibly 16 yet to cross that bridge . Did you 3d print the holders ? now that you have the pick up height sorted do you feel that they need to be spring loaded ? just thinking how I would make mine some, people seem to just have some flex in there holder plate anyway lots of time to think on that . A big thank you for posting this video cheers Bill
Hello from Canada. I am happy you found the video helpful. I designed both this and my previous version of spring loaded holders, and the main components are 3D printed. Even though the initial testing went well, I may still modify the tool change height to allow for a bit of push on the holder, so the spring action will still be of benefit. Our spindles use a gripper clamp, vs ball bearing and sleeve, and I want to avoid wear on the action when the pull stud is grabbed too far down the four gripper arms. Here is an image of how it works - highspeedtechnologies.com/portfolio/cms-brembana/cms-brembana-spindle-repair-and-rebuild_gripper-assembly-cut-away/#iLightbox[postimages]/0 Jianken also sent a picture and video of the clamp and mechanism when I enquired about it. I found when setting up my previous tool holders, that it does not take much height difference to go from clamping to getting an error if clamping happens to high. Having the spring means I can avoid any issue with clamping errors by making it safe to have a lower pickup height, knowing the spring avoids any wear or damage to the holder or rack. I built my rack using aluminum extrusion and 5 mm thick sheet for rigidity, so it has no give at all. Enjoy your build adventure. Tom
@@tmtoronto3741 Thanks Tom that's something I did not know ok I will do spring loaded holders as well regards Bill
@@williamnorris1516 it is just something I wanted to do, partly because of the movement I always see when watching videos of CNCs dropping/removing toolholders from those plastic forks. I only ever remember seeing one commercial machine - European I think - that used a tool rack with spring assisted holders (for the vertical movements not side to side, as I have seen some forks for larger CAT tools that use springs in the fork arms). You are correct though in your initial statements - it sure looks like my video makes them appear to be functionally unnecessary (-:
@@tmtoronto3741 Yes the movement is mesmerizing and I love watching as well I have a piece of 6061 alloy 1000mm x 200 mm x 12 mm that I will use looks like I can also get two rows of 12 tool holders, what spacing are your holes and would you share the file to print the holder I can give you my email if that works better for you thanks Bill
@@williamnorris1516 if you have the same spindle as I do, which has an outer diameter of 80 mm, then the smallest spacing I calculated was about 55 mm - I used a spacing of 60 mm in all directions on mine. If you have a larger spindle, this will be different as the diameter of it and its tool holders will be larger. I am happy to share my file - I work in F360. You will need to modify it as my plate was 5 mm thick, and yours is 12. Please share your email and we can continue this and future discussions that way. Tom
Sorry just noticed on one of you other videos that you are can you give me any imfomation on how you hooked up the Jianken tool change sensor I could give you my email I really need some help with this Many thanks Bill
Sorry for the delayed response. I am happy to help if I can. What stage are you at currently?
@@tmtoronto3741 Hi thanks for getting back to me still trying to get a clear and precise picture on how to wire the two spindle clamp signal wires to the Masso so is one for clamp/unclamp as in Hi / low signal and the other for tool in place signal or is one signal wire for clamp and the other signal wire for unclamp . Signal wires are inputs I assume Masso triggers the 24 volt to the sensors via relays from outputs just need to be clear don't want to damage the Masso Ok many thanks regards Bill
Hi i have just found your post on the Masso forum that answers all of this for me ok thanks Bill
@@williamnorris1516 no problem. I wasn't sure if that was you, or another Jianken owner - there are more and more of us now! let me know how things work out, and if more information is needed.
Your machine is cutting really well I take it tha'ts a Jianken Spindle are you using a Masso controller ?
So far it is working quite well. I am using a Masso G3 controller and Onefinity Woodworker CNC router. I am new to machining, but have learned that with realistic and conservative toolpath parameters this system is very repeatable and accurate.
Tom, it seems you are everywhere. So the Datron bit, you are the second CNC'r I have seen using it. What speeds are you running with that? Are you pleased with the results?
I think it appears I am everywhere as I recently decided to make my YT and IG accounts public😁 Now that my build and mods are complete (mostly) and I am making things I thought I would share beyond my regular forum posts. As for Datron tooling, I chose them to try based on their focus on high speed/RPM tooling, as well as what I hope is quality design and carbide. They also are metric, which is what I prefer to work in, so for example it was easy for me to order a 4.2mm drill for my M5 threaded holes. I am still - very - new to machining, so everything I do is an experiment, and based on as much research as I can do. Time will tell if Datron, and my toolpaths and parameters, are acceptable - but so far I am very pleased. With respect to the drilling operation, I experimented with 18 000 RPM and a chip breaking strategy - 0.5 mm peck depth, 5 mm before full retract, chip break distance 0.15 mm. I may change this as I learn more, but for all I do I try to stay on the conservative side, given my lack of experience.
super cool Thom!
Thanks!
Impressive!
To be honest I did not think it would be possible.